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Offline tsiawdt

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Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« on: January 05, 2017, 08:34 PM »
I am looking at both festool jigsaws and other brands. Is the carvex worth the extra money, I've read alot of bad reviews on it but most of them were 2 years old or older. I will be useing this for hobby not a job but am not afraid to spend a little more to get more, just not as much as a mafell.

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Offline antss

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2017, 09:04 PM »
What do you anticipate cutting with it ?

Will you change blades often for different material ?  If so, you might find having to reset the blade guide each time a pain.

Offline Holmz

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2017, 09:29 PM »
A Bosch is a good alternative, and I found no evidence that the Carvex was better unless you want cordless and an LED strobe.
And Bosch have likely been making jigsaws as long as anyone else ;)

I did get a Mafell as there was evidence that that jigsaw was better, and I have no way to compare personally with a Carvex. I probably need only 70% of the capability of the Mafell... Not sure exactly, but it is a controlled and gentle beast.

Offline Stowe Boy

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2017, 09:32 PM »
Very happy with my Bosch.


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Offline antss

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2017, 09:51 PM »
Holmz, Bosch claims to have invented the jigsaw.

Though it was really invented by a Swiss Co. - Scintillia that Bosch bought in the 50's.

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2017, 12:29 AM »
Yeah @antss and I am sure Kaufmann's wife was understanding when he canabilzed his wife's sewing machine. He was a brave man and we are indebted to him.
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Offline tsiawdt

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2017, 08:17 AM »
Ive read reviews on the bosch getting very Hot. I like the bosch brand but was looking to try something festool but again Im open to any brand.

Offline kevinculle

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2017, 09:25 AM »
I've had a Bosch barrel grip for over 15 years...very controllable, easy blade changes and no issues with it getting hot that I've ever noticed.

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2017, 09:28 AM »
If you go Carvex, I think it's worth it to go cordless.  The dust collection is mediocre, and so you are not really sacrificing all that much by ditching the vac hose -- you gain a lot though, since the vac and cord get in the way, especially if you're doing scroll cuts.  I have the corded version, but I rarely hook up the vac, and if I had to do it all over again, I would have purchased the cordless. 
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Offline Goneshootin88

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2017, 09:36 AM »
I have a Carvex and like it. It's a nice upgrade from my old Makita. That being said, if you don't plan on getting all of the accessories, look at the Trion. I used a friend's yesterday and really liked it. I would say it was more comfortable than the Carvex and the switch is better placed. As others have said, if you do get the Carvex, consider the cordless one. If I could do it again, that's what I would have done.


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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2017, 10:08 AM »
I have a Carvex and like it. It's a nice upgrade from my old Makita. That being said, if you don't plan on getting all of the accessories, look at the Trion. I used a friend's yesterday and really liked it. I would say it was more comfortable than the Carvex and the switch is better placed. As others have said, if you do get the Carvex, consider the cordless one. If I could do it again, that's what I would have done.


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I totally agree with this post!  I had the Carvex and acccessory kit.  What I found was the only accessory I used was the bevel base and truly found it to be a downgrade from the Trion (bevel base built into the Trion).  Also, a pain to constantly have to remove and change the base.  I also found the ergonomics and switch location to be a real PIA.  I sold it and stayed with the Trion.  It is not perfect but for my use it is great.

Offline pixelated

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2017, 10:18 AM »
My Bosch has been very good, approximately 35 years old now, parts are still available (as of the last time I had reason to look). I've never had heat issues with it, I've cut thick and thin wood, 1 inch brass bar, steel, aluminum, plastic with no problems.

I've been considering a Carvex because I have some joint issues now that make the Bosch's switch hard to operate, but not because there is any performance problem with the Bosch. I'm not sure that the Carvex would be enough of an improvement to justify the cost, however.

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Offline JimH2

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2017, 10:44 AM »
Forget the Carvex and get the Trion or step up to the Mafell.

Offline DrD

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2017, 11:49 AM »
I have a Trion D Handle, and am generally well pleased; I think I would prefer the Barrel Grip over the D Handle.  If I were going to buy something new, I'd go Mafell.
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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2017, 02:44 PM »
Don't get a barrel if you have smaller hands, a grip that isn't strong, want variable on the fly speed control or want the blade to stop for stop cuts without turning the tool off. In those instances the barrel type just aren't as good. And yes I know guys with barrels do stop cuts all the time, doesn't mean they are as good though. I want that saw blade to stop moving when I stop the saw and the barrel grips just dont. If you are going to do more angled cuts than anything else get the Mafell, I only wish Mafell made a D handle with variable trigger, I would purchase it in a heartbeat.

Anyone that suggests a Trion simply never used a Bosch, its a joke really. I have both sitting here on my table, the Trion is no better than the 160.00 Bosch  JS470EB. The better 240.00 Bosch JS572 is very near the saw the Mafell is for over 400 less money. So just buy Bosch or Mafell when it come to jigsaws, nothing else comes close, IMHO.

I will say I almost favor my older Bosch verse the newer Bosch 572.


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Offline RussellS

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2017, 03:13 PM »
Don't get a barrel if you have smaller hands, a grip that isn't strong, want variable on the fly speed control or want the blade to stop for stop cuts without turning the tool off. In those instances the barrel type just aren't as good. I want that saw blade to stop moving when I stop the saw and the barrel grips just dont.

Hallelujah.  Exactly my thoughts.  I hate the barrel grip because the blade does not stop when I stop.  And it has no variable speed when I am cutting.  You adjust the speed once with a separate button.  No in action speed change.  And no stopping the blade.  Much prefer my D handle Bosch over the barrel grip Festool I own.

Offline Holmz

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2017, 12:40 PM »
Also the p1cc comes with all the accessories except for the bevel base.
When one adds the costs up then the p1cc is a lot closer.
At least in Australian prices the loaded carvex and p1cc were.

But the @Dovetail65 points in the Bosch are noteworthy.

Offline ChrisK1970

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2017, 01:01 PM »
I love my Carvex but I also picked up a Makita 18v brushless barrel grip DJV181 and it is awesome! It's not available yet here but I bought one through Canada.
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Offline Curt Boyer

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2017, 02:03 PM »
Chris could you tell me where you purchased the Makita jigsaw from.
Thanks
Curt

Offline Jak147

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2017, 02:50 PM »
I have more Festool's than you can shake a stick at and the barrel grip carvex is my least favourite but it's still way better than my old Makita and I would buy it again a 2nd time. Once you get used to cutting with the machine beneath the part, using the protruding tip of the blade to follow the cut you will wonder how you managed before. The biggest bug I have with MY carvex is if a tight clockwise turn is made a little too quick the blade ejects and then requires pliers to remove it from the cut. (Not using pliers results in burnt and/or cut fingers.) I'm not saying it's a carvex fault just what I have experienced with mine. My buddy hasn't had it happen to him with his, so probably just me being a little to aggressive.
Another great feature is the blade break, flick the power button and it stops dead.
Not sure if I've been any help but thought I'd throw my 2cents into the ring

Offline ScotF

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2017, 02:59 PM »
Anyone that suggests a Trion simply never used a Bosch, its a joke really. I have both sitting here on my table, the Trion is no better than the 160.00 Bosch  JS470EB. The better 240.00 Bosch JS572 is very near the saw the Mafell is for over 400 less money. So just buy Bosch or Mafell when it come to jigsaws, nothing else comes close, IMHO.

I will say I almost favor my older Bosch verse the newer Bosch 572.

I am not sure I would agree with the JS470EB - that saw has no blade support whatsoever and I would not expect great cuts. I do agree with the you on the JS572, though, and think it is one of the best values out there. I also have the Mafell and it is the absolute best saw for what I do. I think that the Trion is OK and you can adjust it to make good cuts and it is a pretty smooth running machine. But I have sold off my Festool jigsaws as they just do not seem to offer anything much better than what else is out there. I wanted to like the Carvex and thought the circle-cutter was a really great innovation, but it just was not for me, no matter how much I tried. It is really the only Festool that never exceeded my expectations and so I sold it and have no regrets.

The Bosch can cut square with the thicker Carvex blades or Bosch blades with the "DP" after them. Dovetails brings up some great points on the D handle. I have really come to like my Barrel grip saws, but I have had need on my most recent project to turn the machine on and off and have a trigger switch would make it much easier...so I am thinking about adding one for the versatility.

Offline Holmz

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2017, 03:02 PM »
... and the barrel grip carvex is my least favourite but it's still way better than my old Makita ...

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... Not sure if I've been any help ...

If you have the model number of the old Makita then we could have a data point.
And/Or how old was the old Makita?

By the way my p1cc is better than the wife's 20 year old Black-n-decker... Not "way better" in terms of cutting sheets, and I still use for PVC/ABS in the dirt. I could quantity how it is better; but I think that is probably more important for the Bosch to Carvex comparisons. since that is what the thread is about.

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2017, 03:03 PM »
Chris could you tell me where you purchased the Makita jigsaw from.
Thanks
Curt
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Offline Curt Boyer

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2017, 05:09 PM »
Thanks for the info Chris! I'll price out both options.
Cheers
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Offline tsiawdt

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2017, 07:49 PM »
thank you all for the input  I am still doing research

Offline Jak147

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2017, 03:59 AM »

If you have the model number of the old Makita then we could have a data point.
And/Or how old was the old Makita?


Sorry I don't have the model number, it was around 6 years old, I bought it just before they changed the shape of the housing to the current design

Offline Longhair

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2017, 01:44 PM »
I've had the Bosch about 15 years and bought a second when I had to repair the first. A working partner just bought the carvex and his complaint is that without a vacumn, his cutting line is blind. I have problems with it's grip.  I love the Bosch.

Offline mrrhum

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2017, 10:42 PM »
I bought a Trion several years ago to supplement my middle of the line Bosch. (Sorry, I'm out of town and can't check the model number. It's about 20 years old.) The Bosch now has a coping foot on it and I use the Trion for everything else. It's a pretty nice saw, but if I were doing it again I would give the top of the line Bosch a serious look. I do miss the blower feature. At $700 the Mafell would have to be one heck of a saw to be worth it to me.

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2017, 11:00 PM »
I like and use my Hilti and Carvex both are good jigsaws.

Offline Poindexter

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2017, 06:38 AM »
thank you all for the input  I am still doing research

It isn't that hard a decision.  Jigsaws are mostly the same.  Your decision steps are:

1)  Grip/handle... you made that decision already
2)  Corded/Cordless
3)  Dust collection... if important, go Festool
4)  Blade ejection yes/no... I recommend yes because blades can get quite hot
5)  If Festool, you'll have an extra adjustment when changing blade size.  Many people consider this a negative, but it isn't that bad of one.

Along with dust collection, some added benefits of going Festool are:

A)  If you have  Festool guide rail then you can use it with your Festool jigsaw
B)  Festool jigsaws have a simple-to-use circle jig
C)  You get a systainer... if that's a benefit to you
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