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Offline tsiawdt

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Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« on: January 05, 2017, 08:34 PM »
I am looking at both festool jigsaws and other brands. Is the carvex worth the extra money, I've read alot of bad reviews on it but most of them were 2 years old or older. I will be useing this for hobby not a job but am not afraid to spend a little more to get more, just not as much as a mafell.

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Offline antss

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2017, 09:04 PM »
What do you anticipate cutting with it ?

Will you change blades often for different material ?  If so, you might find having to reset the blade guide each time a pain.

Offline Holmz

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2017, 09:29 PM »
A Bosch is a good alternative, and I found no evidence that the Carvex was better unless you want cordless and an LED strobe.
And Bosch have likely been making jigsaws as long as anyone else ;)

I did get a Mafell as there was evidence that that jigsaw was better, and I have no way to compare personally with a Carvex. I probably need only 70% of the capability of the Mafell... Not sure exactly, but it is a controlled and gentle beast.

Offline Stowe Boy

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2017, 09:32 PM »
Very happy with my Bosch.


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Offline antss

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2017, 09:51 PM »
Holmz, Bosch claims to have invented the jigsaw.

Though it was really invented by a Swiss Co. - Scintillia that Bosch bought in the 50's.

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2017, 12:29 AM »
Yeah @antss and I am sure Kaufmann's wife was understanding when he canabilzed his wife's sewing machine. He was a brave man and we are indebted to him.
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Offline tsiawdt

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2017, 08:17 AM »
Ive read reviews on the bosch getting very Hot. I like the bosch brand but was looking to try something festool but again Im open to any brand.

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2017, 09:25 AM »
I've had a Bosch barrel grip for over 15 years...very controllable, easy blade changes and no issues with it getting hot that I've ever noticed.

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2017, 09:28 AM »
If you go Carvex, I think it's worth it to go cordless.  The dust collection is mediocre, and so you are not really sacrificing all that much by ditching the vac hose -- you gain a lot though, since the vac and cord get in the way, especially if you're doing scroll cuts.  I have the corded version, but I rarely hook up the vac, and if I had to do it all over again, I would have purchased the cordless. 
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Offline Goneshootin88

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2017, 09:36 AM »
I have a Carvex and like it. It's a nice upgrade from my old Makita. That being said, if you don't plan on getting all of the accessories, look at the Trion. I used a friend's yesterday and really liked it. I would say it was more comfortable than the Carvex and the switch is better placed. As others have said, if you do get the Carvex, consider the cordless one. If I could do it again, that's what I would have done.


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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2017, 10:08 AM »
I have a Carvex and like it. It's a nice upgrade from my old Makita. That being said, if you don't plan on getting all of the accessories, look at the Trion. I used a friend's yesterday and really liked it. I would say it was more comfortable than the Carvex and the switch is better placed. As others have said, if you do get the Carvex, consider the cordless one. If I could do it again, that's what I would have done.


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I totally agree with this post!  I had the Carvex and acccessory kit.  What I found was the only accessory I used was the bevel base and truly found it to be a downgrade from the Trion (bevel base built into the Trion).  Also, a pain to constantly have to remove and change the base.  I also found the ergonomics and switch location to be a real PIA.  I sold it and stayed with the Trion.  It is not perfect but for my use it is great.

Offline pixelated

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2017, 10:18 AM »
My Bosch has been very good, approximately 35 years old now, parts are still available (as of the last time I had reason to look). I've never had heat issues with it, I've cut thick and thin wood, 1 inch brass bar, steel, aluminum, plastic with no problems.

I've been considering a Carvex because I have some joint issues now that make the Bosch's switch hard to operate, but not because there is any performance problem with the Bosch. I'm not sure that the Carvex would be enough of an improvement to justify the cost, however.

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Offline JimH2

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2017, 10:44 AM »
Forget the Carvex and get the Trion or step up to the Mafell.

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2017, 11:49 AM »
I have a Trion D Handle, and am generally well pleased; I think I would prefer the Barrel Grip over the D Handle.  If I were going to buy something new, I'd go Mafell.
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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2017, 02:44 PM »
Don't get a barrel if you have smaller hands, a grip that isn't strong, want variable on the fly speed control or want the blade to stop for stop cuts without turning the tool off. In those instances the barrel type just aren't as good. And yes I know guys with barrels do stop cuts all the time, doesn't mean they are as good though. I want that saw blade to stop moving when I stop the saw and the barrel grips just dont. If you are going to do more angled cuts than anything else get the Mafell, I only wish Mafell made a D handle with variable trigger, I would purchase it in a heartbeat.

Anyone that suggests a Trion simply never used a Bosch, its a joke really. I have both sitting here on my table, the Trion is no better than the 160.00 Bosch  JS470EB. The better 240.00 Bosch JS572 is very near the saw the Mafell is for over 400 less money. So just buy Bosch or Mafell when it come to jigsaws, nothing else comes close, IMHO.

I will say I almost favor my older Bosch verse the newer Bosch 572.


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Offline RussellS

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2017, 03:13 PM »
Don't get a barrel if you have smaller hands, a grip that isn't strong, want variable on the fly speed control or want the blade to stop for stop cuts without turning the tool off. In those instances the barrel type just aren't as good. I want that saw blade to stop moving when I stop the saw and the barrel grips just dont.

Hallelujah.  Exactly my thoughts.  I hate the barrel grip because the blade does not stop when I stop.  And it has no variable speed when I am cutting.  You adjust the speed once with a separate button.  No in action speed change.  And no stopping the blade.  Much prefer my D handle Bosch over the barrel grip Festool I own.

Offline Holmz

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2017, 12:40 PM »
Also the p1cc comes with all the accessories except for the bevel base.
When one adds the costs up then the p1cc is a lot closer.
At least in Australian prices the loaded carvex and p1cc were.

But the @Dovetail65 points in the Bosch are noteworthy.

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2017, 01:01 PM »
I love my Carvex but I also picked up a Makita 18v brushless barrel grip DJV181 and it is awesome! It's not available yet here but I bought one through Canada.
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Offline Curt Boyer

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2017, 02:03 PM »
Chris could you tell me where you purchased the Makita jigsaw from.
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Offline Jak147

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2017, 02:50 PM »
I have more Festool's than you can shake a stick at and the barrel grip carvex is my least favourite but it's still way better than my old Makita and I would buy it again a 2nd time. Once you get used to cutting with the machine beneath the part, using the protruding tip of the blade to follow the cut you will wonder how you managed before. The biggest bug I have with MY carvex is if a tight clockwise turn is made a little too quick the blade ejects and then requires pliers to remove it from the cut. (Not using pliers results in burnt and/or cut fingers.) I'm not saying it's a carvex fault just what I have experienced with mine. My buddy hasn't had it happen to him with his, so probably just me being a little to aggressive.
Another great feature is the blade break, flick the power button and it stops dead.
Not sure if I've been any help but thought I'd throw my 2cents into the ring

Offline ScotF

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2017, 02:59 PM »
Anyone that suggests a Trion simply never used a Bosch, its a joke really. I have both sitting here on my table, the Trion is no better than the 160.00 Bosch  JS470EB. The better 240.00 Bosch JS572 is very near the saw the Mafell is for over 400 less money. So just buy Bosch or Mafell when it come to jigsaws, nothing else comes close, IMHO.

I will say I almost favor my older Bosch verse the newer Bosch 572.

I am not sure I would agree with the JS470EB - that saw has no blade support whatsoever and I would not expect great cuts. I do agree with the you on the JS572, though, and think it is one of the best values out there. I also have the Mafell and it is the absolute best saw for what I do. I think that the Trion is OK and you can adjust it to make good cuts and it is a pretty smooth running machine. But I have sold off my Festool jigsaws as they just do not seem to offer anything much better than what else is out there. I wanted to like the Carvex and thought the circle-cutter was a really great innovation, but it just was not for me, no matter how much I tried. It is really the only Festool that never exceeded my expectations and so I sold it and have no regrets.

The Bosch can cut square with the thicker Carvex blades or Bosch blades with the "DP" after them. Dovetails brings up some great points on the D handle. I have really come to like my Barrel grip saws, but I have had need on my most recent project to turn the machine on and off and have a trigger switch would make it much easier...so I am thinking about adding one for the versatility.

Offline Holmz

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2017, 03:02 PM »
... and the barrel grip carvex is my least favourite but it's still way better than my old Makita ...

...

... Not sure if I've been any help ...

If you have the model number of the old Makita then we could have a data point.
And/Or how old was the old Makita?

By the way my p1cc is better than the wife's 20 year old Black-n-decker... Not "way better" in terms of cutting sheets, and I still use for PVC/ABS in the dirt. I could quantity how it is better; but I think that is probably more important for the Bosch to Carvex comparisons. since that is what the thread is about.

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2017, 03:03 PM »
Chris could you tell me where you purchased the Makita jigsaw from.
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Offline Curt Boyer

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2017, 05:09 PM »
Thanks for the info Chris! I'll price out both options.
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Offline tsiawdt

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2017, 07:49 PM »
thank you all for the input  I am still doing research

Offline Jak147

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2017, 03:59 AM »

If you have the model number of the old Makita then we could have a data point.
And/Or how old was the old Makita?


Sorry I don't have the model number, it was around 6 years old, I bought it just before they changed the shape of the housing to the current design

Offline Longhair

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« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2017, 01:44 PM »
I've had the Bosch about 15 years and bought a second when I had to repair the first. A working partner just bought the carvex and his complaint is that without a vacumn, his cutting line is blind. I have problems with it's grip.  I love the Bosch.

Offline mrrhum

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2017, 10:42 PM »
I bought a Trion several years ago to supplement my middle of the line Bosch. (Sorry, I'm out of town and can't check the model number. It's about 20 years old.) The Bosch now has a coping foot on it and I use the Trion for everything else. It's a pretty nice saw, but if I were doing it again I would give the top of the line Bosch a serious look. I do miss the blower feature. At $700 the Mafell would have to be one heck of a saw to be worth it to me.

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2017, 11:00 PM »
I like and use my Hilti and Carvex both are good jigsaws.

Offline Poindexter

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2017, 06:38 AM »
thank you all for the input  I am still doing research

It isn't that hard a decision.  Jigsaws are mostly the same.  Your decision steps are:

1)  Grip/handle... you made that decision already
2)  Corded/Cordless
3)  Dust collection... if important, go Festool
4)  Blade ejection yes/no... I recommend yes because blades can get quite hot
5)  If Festool, you'll have an extra adjustment when changing blade size.  Many people consider this a negative, but it isn't that bad of one.

Along with dust collection, some added benefits of going Festool are:

A)  If you have  Festool guide rail then you can use it with your Festool jigsaw
B)  Festool jigsaws have a simple-to-use circle jig
C)  You get a systainer... if that's a benefit to you
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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2017, 08:31 PM »
I don't know much about the Carvex but I really like my Bosch barrel grip.  I have a cast aluminum table for it, not sure if they are still available but I've never seen one for another brand.  It is occasionally.  I also have a Collins coping foot, not sure what other saws that will work for.  I have the rip guide which also doubles as a circle jig.  I have the little plastic inserts for the base that reduce splintering on the top surface.  I don't have one but Bosch also makes a special base piece so you can use a vacuum.  But blowing the dust out of the way works pretty well.  Jig saws do not throw dust like circular saws or CMS or even a sander.

I think the situation with a Bosch jig saw is like a Festool track saw.  The accessories tend to favor both. 

It also does an excellent job cutting things, of course.  Mine is an older model you have to push a button down and turn the knob to change blades.  No plans to change.

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2017, 08:21 PM »
I have the Trion, the Makita brushless, and the Mafell P1.  Get the Trion or the higher end Bosch ( which is more in Canada ).   The Mafell is overrated especially if you are not in the trades and using it for sink cutouts.   All the claims that one saw is superior to another is due largely to the choice of saw blade.... A lot of the glowing reviews of the Mafell is due largely to the very expensive CUnex blade.   Any other blade and this particular saw cuts no better than any other even with their guide.

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« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2017, 08:25 PM »
I have the Trion, the Makita brushless, and the Mafell P1.  Get the Trion or the higher end Bosch ( which is more in Canada ).   The Mafell is overrated especially if you are not in the trades and using it for sink cutouts.   All the claims that one saw is superior to another is due largely to the choice of saw blade.... A lot of the glowing reviews of the Mafell is due largely to the very expensive CUnex blade.   Any other blade and this particular saw cuts no better than any other even with their guide.

Not sure I agree with you on the Mafell - I never have tried the CUnex blade and get perfect cuts with mine with any blade I have tried - it tracks straight on the guide rail and cuts perfectly 90 degrees, every time. The Bosch 572 series is also good, but not as good as the Mafell in my opinion. The Trion is a nice saw too, but I sold mine as it was too fiddly with the adjustments and the Mafell cuts so much better. Never tried the Makita. I guess each person's experience is their own and it is good to hear other people's views on expensive tools. Yes the Mafell is pricey and might not be worth it to many, but I would buy another one in a heartbeat if something happened to mine.

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2017, 01:06 PM »
I have to second Scot there: i get acceptable cuts with the Mafell every time even though i don't use jigsaws very often. Compared to the Trion and a Makita i previously owned, the Mafell is in a different league. But that's from someone who's not very good with jigsaws, so ymmv.
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« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2017, 03:30 PM »
.... A lot of the glowing reviews of the Mafell is due largely to the very expensive CUnex blade.   Any other blade and this particular saw cuts no better than any other even with their guide.

It is pretty smart to have a thicker blade which makes it a lot stiffer.
You know it is a seriously important cut when the Cunex blade comes out.

Offline WWfarrier

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2017, 07:23 AM »
I found either type of Festool jig saw to be a let down. It its the only tool type I've used where Festool doesn't give a significant advantage. (I own many Festool) I stuck with my Bosch and returned the Carvex. To me it was just another Jigsaw but much more $.

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2017, 08:07 AM »
I have a Trion, and if I had to thin the Festool herd, it would be the first to go: 1) with the dust collection shroud in place, it is difficult to impossible to see the cut line; 2) with dust collection shroud in place, dust collection is terrible; 3) Festool says you can't use the Guide Stop (the thingy that connects the saw to the guide rail) with any blades over, IMSMC, 2 1/2", yet when I bought mine, their catalog indicated "For best results, use with FSG blades—S 75/4 FSG (499 476), S 105/4 FSG (499 477) or S 145/4 FSG (499 478)" realizing that the last 2 are 4 1/8 and 5 3/4 respectively.

If I were to buy another jig saw it would definitely be the Mafel P1cc, based upon recommendations from woodworker I know who use them.
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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2017, 09:06 AM »
I have the trion (Barrel) as well and agree with the chap above. It is impossible to see where you're cutting when the dust shroud is in place. Sure you can use the little pointer thing when making straight cuts but it's useless for curves; and if I were making straight cuts then I darn sure wouldn't be using a jigsaw ;)

I actually do think it's decent for dust collection though with the shoriud and the splinter guard attached.

It's definitely among my worst festool purchases. I actually miss my old Freud jigsaw than I sold when I bought the trion. Shane on me for not testing the festool before selling it.

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2017, 09:18 AM »
Thanks to reviews on the FOG, I avoided future regrets with my jigsaw purchase, and went straight to the Mafell, with no regrets.
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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2017, 04:34 PM »
I just bought the Bosch JS572.  It's the best jig saw I have ever used.  I've tried the Carvex.  Have not tried the Mafell.  The Bosch is pretty amazing.

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #40 on: March 25, 2017, 05:35 PM »
On the Bosch, did you get the barrel or the handle?

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2017, 05:48 PM »
Just as a source of information the Mafell that is often mentioned as being the top gun for a jigsaw is a $765 jigsaw here in the US.

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #42 on: March 25, 2017, 06:49 PM »
Just as a source of information the Mafell that is often mentioned as being the top gun for a jigsaw is a $765 jigsaw here in the US.

Peter

Peter are they paying you for these posts?
It always sets me off when I see 100s of posts says FT is costs more because it is better, and then any other tool which costs more is overpriced. So you get to receive my post...

While you are it... don't forget to mention how much extra mafell charges for the angle base.

unless one.  wants the bare tool how do we compare apples and oranges? We need to compare the costs of the tools with their accessories and Mafell does not sell the saw without them. So it is probably best to put up both costs.
(I suspect the Bosch also has the accessories included in the cost.)

And here we go:
Saw: ($680) https://sydneytools.com.au/festool-ps-420-ebq-550w-ps-420-carvex-jigsaw?fee=4&fep=12386&gclid=CJfRnana8tICFYIHvAoduDICOA

extras: ($359). https://sydneytools.com.au/festool-zh-sys-ps-400-carvex-jigsaw-accessory-systainer-set?fee=4&fep=15001&gclid=CNSP7eDZ8tICFYZjvAod1KoKKw

Festool Total is $1039 Au


Or I can get the Mafell paying no VAT for 509 Eu with the base + another 70Eu for shipping which is ~850 $Au

https://www.dictum.com/en/tools/power-tools/sawing/720455k/special-offer-mafell-jig-saw-p1-cc-maximax-in-t-max-incl-tilting-plate-p1-sp


For me it was seemingly a "no brainer" to get the better tool for the less money than the tool that is not as good. But the Bosch would be my second pick. If one is not using the fat cunex blades then the saw is not at the cutting edge of performance.

There may be different ways to compare them, but the above covers how I did it. Feel free to pick the logic apart.
(Some known logical failure points/omission are warranty and electrical.)
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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #43 on: March 25, 2017, 09:05 PM »
On the Bosch, did you get the barrel or the handle?

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I got the bareel grip

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #44 on: March 25, 2017, 09:08 PM »
Just as a source of information the Mafell that is often mentioned as being the top gun for a jigsaw is a $765 jigsaw here in the US.

Peter

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Offline Samo

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #45 on: March 25, 2017, 09:25 PM »
thank you all for the input  I am still doing research

It isn't that hard a decision.  Jigsaws are mostly the same.  Your decision steps are:

1)  Grip/handle... you made that decision already
2)  Corded/Cordless
3)  Dust collection... if important, go Festool
4)  Blade ejection yes/no... I recommend yes because blades can get quite hot
5)  If Festool, you'll have an extra adjustment when changing blade size.  Many people consider this a negative, but it isn't that bad of one.

Along with dust collection, some added benefits of going Festool are:

A)  If you have  Festool guide rail then you can use it with your Festool jigsaw
B)  Festool jigsaws have a simple-to-use circle jig
C)  You get a systainer... if that's a benefit to you

Like a lot of pro Carpenters and Woodworkers, I've used mostly the older Swiss made Bosch.

Barrel grip vs Top Handle?

Barrel grip has an on/off switch, adjustable speed control setting and a knob or hand grip on the top front.  Best for scrolling jobs,
hold the front, move the barrel to scroll.

Top handle has variable speed in the trigger.  Awesome for most work!  Start slow and finish slow.  This is one of my problems with the Carvex.  I want to love the tool but the top handle is very slender and doesn't feel right to me personally.  Bought the barrel grip Carvex and still on the fence.

Offline Vondawg

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #46 on: March 26, 2017, 08:36 AM »
I'm with Sam and others....wanting to like the Festool jigsaw but find both barrel and the D handle Bosch I have, to be my "go to"...I mostly use the barrel with the Collins coping foot and harder to get to areas and the top handle/var. speed trigger for everything else...I have a heck of a time with pushing/holding the button on the Carvex 420 D handle, just not comfortable and needs to be pushed farther in or something, I have a sm. round felt button on there to help. I do like having a light on the tool though.
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Offline rst

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #47 on: March 26, 2017, 09:04 AM »
I, like JimD, have an old barrel grip Bosch 1582.  I have that table attachment and used it last week to modify a light swtch cover to accept two rectangluar switchs.  I too use the Collins foot and over the last 36 years have used my saw to cut wood, plastics, steel (plainand S/S), tile, glass, and more aluminum than I like to remember.  I have the dust extraction foot and it works about as good as can be realistically expected. I bought the corded Carvex and I feel it works as well as my ancient Bosch.  I also have the cordless Carvex that I bought after buying the HKC and keep both in my service van.  I've never expected my jigsaws to give as clean a cut as circular saws and dust extraction for any tool that throws dust forward will always be a compromise.  Every new tool has a learning curve...It's up to each user as to their expectatons and willingness to find that sweet spot where everything works.

Offline T. Ernsberger

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #48 on: March 26, 2017, 09:08 AM »
Bosch JS572
-Great dust extraction
-led light
-tool free bevel
-very powerful
-easy to use
-made in Switzerland


Offline Samo

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #49 on: March 26, 2017, 09:25 AM »
I, like JimD, have an old barrel grip Bosch 1582.  I have that table attachment and used it last week to modify a light swtch cover to accept two rectangluar switchs.  I too use the Collins foot and over the last 36 years have used my saw to cut wood, plastics, steel (plainand S/S), tile, glass, and more aluminum than I like to remember.  I have the dust extraction foot and it works about as good as can be realistically expected. I bought the corded Carvex and I feel it works as well as my ancient Bosch.  I also have the cordless Carvex that I bought after buying the HKC and keep both in my service van.  I've never expected my jigsaws to give as clean a cut as circular saws and dust extraction for any tool that throws dust forward will always be a compromise.  Every new tool has a learning curve...It's up to each user as to their expectatons and willingness to find that sweet spot where everything works.

Can you elaborate on the Carvex and what model you prefer?  I have the barrel grip as most have recommended and will be spending more time with it coming up here soon.

Haven't given up on the tool but definetly has a steep learning curve to it.

Offline Jim Green

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #50 on: March 26, 2017, 11:41 AM »
I needed a cordless jig and went for the Makita brushless barrel grip. It is great. So great I sold my trion and just use it. I have had Bosch corded jig saws as well and always like them, great  saws. Money no object I'm pretty sure the Mafell is the one to get. I'd stay away from the carvex and go for the trion if you want Festool. 

Offline rst

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #51 on: March 26, 2017, 11:54 AM »
I have always liked barrel grip jigsaws as I find it easier to follow patterns closer.  Many people find the D handle better suited but I have not owned a D handle since 1972.  There is a learning curve to getting the right blade tension with the Carvex but I have not found it to be bothersome.

Offline Cealan

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #52 on: April 08, 2017, 01:02 AM »
I heard the hilti jigsaw is a copy of the mafell
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Offline DiscoStu

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #53 on: April 08, 2017, 03:53 AM »
I have a Carvex and I think it's good. I like the strobe for accurate cutting. Sure the base not tilting is an issue for some and I'm sure at some point I'll buy the tilting base. I like the auto power and I like the cut and particularly that I can cut 4" material and the cut is perfectly square.

Dust collection could be better and I do notice that when I'm doing something intricate but overall I'm happy with mine and think the advantages of it being part of the Festool system outweigh any disadvantages. Ie I can use it with my rails, plug it cords, extraction and it all comes in a systainer.


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Offline SS Teach

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #54 on: April 11, 2017, 05:51 PM »
I have a great affinity for Festool, but after reading a lot of FOG reviews I went with a Bosch JS 572. It's a great saw. Gotta say I agree with T Ernsberger. Try the Carvex for 30 days. If you don't like it return it and go with Bosch or spend a whole lot more for a Mafell.
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Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #55 on: April 11, 2017, 07:06 PM »
I have a Trion,works good.
Forget about dust extraction though,and can't see any line with the slinger guard and plastic thingy on it. But it cuts good.
I have a D-handle but also need a barrel grip for a copping foot. Just leave it on the saw.I may look into the Bosch that everyone seems to like.

Or another Trion.
I want one box with both tools in it.
Charlie
PS. No Mafell for me,I don't use a jig saw enough to justify a $700 plus jig saw.


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Offline jdw101

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #56 on: May 06, 2017, 04:16 PM »
Also the p1cc comes with all the accessories except for the bevel base.
When one adds the costs up then the p1cc is a lot closer.
At least in Australian prices the loaded carvex and p1cc were.

But the @Dovetail65 points in the Bosch are noteworthy.

I bought mine from Germany recently via the auction site and for 755 I picked up the P1cc, the short rail and the angled base.  Along with the stuff that normally comes with the saw.    I had to put a 4 dollar plug on it because it was wired for UK 110v but that wasn't anything. 


Offline Rip Van Winkle

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #57 on: May 06, 2017, 05:08 PM »
I heard the hilti jigsaw is a copy of the mafell

Neither the former or current Hilti jigsaws are copies if the Current Mafell P1c jigsaw.

One of the features of the Mafell P1c jigsaw is that there is no roller blade guide/support for the jigsaw blade to run in/on/against on the Mafell. Most other professional jigsaws produced within the past 20 or 30 years have a roller guide. Fein is one exception I can think of to this. The lack of a back roller allows a jigsaw blade to be inserted both forward and backward facing for different types of cuts. The Hilti also lacks the interchangeable bases found on the Mafell, and the orbit setting appears to differ as well.

I've never used a Hilti jigsaw, but from what I remmember the older 850 series jigsaws were well regarded compared to the higher end Bosch jigsaws available at the same time, as well as the Festool Trion jigsaws.


Offline Holmz

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Re: Looking to buy a barrel jigsaw need help
« Reply #58 on: May 06, 2017, 06:35 PM »
I heard the hilti jigsaw is a copy of the mafell
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One of the features of the Mafell P1c jigsaw is that there is no roller blade guide/support for the jigsaw blade to run in/on/against on the Mafell. Most other professional jigsaws produced within the past 20 or 30 years have a roller guide. Fein is one exception I can think of to this. The lack of a back roller allows a jigsaw blade to be inserted both forward and backward facing for different types of cuts. The Hilti also lacks the interchangeable bases found on the Mafell, and the orbit setting appears to differ as well.
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The lack of side guides also make it hard to have guides too tight or two loose, which for a non-professional makes it somewhat idiot resistant. And as you mentioned one can even put the blade in backwards, so all that is left on the blade retention is trying to shove the teeth into the retainer rather than the tang.
One can still select the wrong speed and pendulum action.

How mush value there is in avoiding the guides and guide adjustment where we personally choose which saw to get.