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Loving the Carvex
« on: April 17, 2018, 10:50 PM »
I am surprised by all the criticism the Carvex gets on FOG. I just bought one a few weeks ago and used it for the first time yesterday for any length of time beyond just testing, and I must say I like it very much.
I used the Carvex first with the guide rail plate and FSG blades. I measured 34 mm from the guide rail to the kerf so I just positioned the guiderail at a 34mm offset and it cut straight and square as measured by my trusty machinist's square.
Then, I cut two discs from construction ply and the ability to fine tune the cut radius to the millimeter was just awesome. Again all cuts were square.
Finally, I played with some free curves that were, again, flawless.
All in all, very pleased with it.
FWIW my previous jigsaw is a Bosch made in Switzerland whose base plate is not flat.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2018, 11:45 PM by koenbro »
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Re: Loving the Carvex
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2018, 01:19 AM »
Good stuff!  I too added a Carvex (cordless) a few weeks ago.  My trusty Swiss Bosch 1590 had an...incident...and hasn't been quite as trusty since.  I've yet to put the Carvex to work but glad to hear your positive results thus far.
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Re: Loving the Carvex
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2018, 01:04 AM »
Mine is corded, but if I were to do it again I would go battery powered. I almost always use it on my MFT, which is near the CT but it'll be nice every once in awhile to have the mobility.

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Re: Loving the Carvex
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2018, 04:12 AM »
I agree with you on the carvex. I have had zero issues with mine and have used it extensively. Some comments on here baffle me because I have had such the opposite experience.
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Re: Loving the Carvex
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2018, 08:54 AM »
Great to see some positive Carvex comments.  I think a major problem with the machine is a lack of training.  Festool's documentation as usual is minimal (I am being kind).  Has anyone produced a really great video on its features and using it successfully?

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Re: Loving the Carvex
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2018, 03:43 PM »
Well, a good amount of the negative commentary stems from the previous 400 model (420 = Jigsaw #4 2.0).   
And the overwhelmingly majority of negative commentary comes from the trades.   They have different needs than myself.
Anyone installing cabinets will totally disagree (for reasons), but outside of that, the angle foot is the best.   The circle
cutting jig is the best.   The ergonomics are the best.   All just my opinion.   

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Re: Loving the Carvex
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2018, 08:24 PM »
I've been installing cabinets for more than 30 years and I stopped using the Carvex long ago. I have 2 Trion jigsaws and went back to them.

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Re: Loving the Carvex
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2018, 10:57 PM »
I've been installing cabinets for more than 30 years and I stopped using the Carvex long ago. I have 2 Trion jigsaws and went back to them.

What has been the advantage of the Trion over the Carvex in your experience?

Anyone used the Collins coping foot for the Carvex?
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Re: Loving the Carvex
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2018, 03:15 AM »
the angle foot is the best.   The circle cutting jig is the best.   The ergonomics are the best. 
And the unavailability of an angle foot where the hole baseplate tilts (so it's fully available to reference on the workpiece, instead of having only 1/2 of the area as with the angle foot) is disappointing.

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Re: Loving the Carvex
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2018, 11:21 AM »
I've been installing cabinets for more than 30 years and I stopped using the Carvex long ago. I have 2 Trion jigsaws and went back to them.

What has been the advantage of the Trion over the Carvex in your experience?

Anyone used the Collins coping foot for the Carvex?

Gregor more or less answered this question.   Someone correct my terminology:  It has to do with scribing and beveling the back of the cabinet. 

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Re: Loving the Carvex
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2018, 06:52 PM »
Can't remember the last time I used my carvex (corded), on the rare times I use a jigsaw I always reach for my 14.4 volt makita. It's the one festool product that I regret buying.

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Re: Loving the Carvex
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2018, 11:26 PM »
For most of the time I've owned the Carvex, it has been an out of adjustment, blade-rattling POS. I'll put it and both of my Trions up for sale for $25 each to help finance a good jigsaw.... the Mafell methinks

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Re: Loving the Carvex
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2018, 07:41 AM »
For most of the time I've owned the Carvex, it has been an out of adjustment, blade-rattling POS. I'll put it and both of my Trions up for sale for $25 each to help finance a good jigsaw.... the Mafell methinks

Yikes! Anyway, the P1CC is seriously a beast.  I've done cuts with fine blades with zero pendulum action that other machines would require setting 3 and a rough blade.   It's a timber framing tool, though, so I would expect that power (and with great power comes great heat).

I'm sure you know all of the good news, so I'll mention a few gripes/growing pains so that they don't catch you by surprise.   

You have to lock the foot, foots, feet, footsies beyond the point where you think you're breaking the lever/catch to secure it.  Otherwise, it will come loose and that beast will dance and then come flying at the operator.   Obviously, once the operator knows this, it is no longer an issue.

It gets EXTREMELY hot and fast.  That's the caveat of being extreme, I suppose.
The caveat of barrel grips is that your hand is meant to be precisely on the hottest point.   

The angle foot can be annoying.  It bevels one direction, so you have a 50/50 chance of putting the foot on the wrong side and then having to take it off, turn it around, and put it on again.   

Internally, the logic board is not mechanically secured.  It's supposed to be a friction fit between plastic (no screws), but it's generally floating a bit.  The speed adjustment is definitely floating, and flimsey.

It does what it's supposed to do, though.   






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Re: Loving the Carvex
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2018, 08:37 AM »
For most of the time I've owned the Carvex, it has been an out of adjustment, blade-rattling POS. I'll put it and both of my Trions up for sale for $25 each to help finance a good jigsaw.... the Mafell methinks

@morts10n   Save yourself the trouble of posting a classified.  Just send me a PM and I will buy all three of them from you for $75 plus shipping.  You can keep the systainers.

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Re: Loving the Carvex
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2018, 11:56 AM »
For most of the time I've owned the Carvex, it has been an out of adjustment, blade-rattling POS. I'll put it and both of my Trions up for sale for $25 each to help finance a good jigsaw.... the Mafell methinks

@morts10n   Save yourself the trouble of posting a classified.  Just send me a PM and I will buy all three of them from you for $75 plus shipping.  You can keep the systainers.

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Re: Loving the Carvex
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2018, 12:44 PM »
For most of the time I've owned the Carvex, it has been an out of adjustment, blade-rattling POS. I'll put it and both of my Trions up for sale for $25 each to help finance a good jigsaw.... the Mafell methinks

Yikes! Anyway, the P1CC is seriously a beast.  I've done cuts with fine blades with zero pendulum action that other machines would require setting 3 and a rough blade.   It's a timber framing tool, though, so I would expect that power (and with great power comes great heat).

I'm sure you know all of the good news, so I'll mention a few gripes/growing pains so that they don't catch you by surprise.   

You have to lock the foot, foots, feet, footsies beyond the point where you think you're breaking the lever/catch to secure it.  Otherwise, it will come loose and that beast will dance and then come flying at the operator.   Obviously, once the operator knows this, it is no longer an issue.

It gets EXTREMELY hot and fast.  That's the caveat of being extreme, I suppose.
The caveat of barrel grips is that your hand is meant to be precisely on the hottest point.   

The angle foot can be annoying.  It bevels one direction, so you have a 50/50 chance of putting the foot on the wrong side and then having to take it off, turn it around, and put it on again.   

Internally, the logic board is not mechanically secured.  It's supposed to be a friction fit between plastic (no screws), but it's generally floating a bit.  The speed adjustment is definitely floating, and flimsey.

It does what it's supposed to do, though.
   Thanks for the Real World Feedback on the Mafell.  Those 'interesting' caveats don't come up in the You Tube videos or articles I've seen on the P1cc Jig Saw, so as always, we 'ask the person' who owns one.... [cool] [cool] [cool] [cool] [cool]
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Re: Loving the Carvex
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2018, 06:23 PM »
I have the Mafell jigsaw. While it is a nice saw, it’s nowhere near worth twice the price of the my Carvex.  Not to me anyways.   

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Re: Loving the Carvex
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2018, 08:05 PM »
For most of the time I've owned the Carvex, it has been an out of adjustment, blade-rattling POS. I'll put it and both of my Trions up for sale for $25 each to help finance a good jigsaw.... the Mafell methinks

Yikes! Anyway, the P1CC is seriously a beast.  I've done cuts with fine blades with zero pendulum action that other machines would require setting 3 and a rough blade.   It's a timber framing tool, though, so I would expect that power (and with great power comes great heat).

I'm sure you know all of the good news, so I'll mention a few gripes/growing pains so that they don't catch you by surprise.   

You have to lock the foot, foots, feet, footsies beyond the point where you think you're breaking the lever/catch to secure it.  Otherwise, it will come loose and that beast will dance and then come flying at the operator.   Obviously, once the operator knows this, it is no longer an issue.

It gets EXTREMELY hot and fast.  That's the caveat of being extreme, I suppose.
The caveat of barrel grips is that your hand is meant to be precisely on the hottest point.   

The angle foot can be annoying.  It bevels one direction, so you have a 50/50 chance of putting the foot on the wrong side and then having to take it off, turn it around, and put it on again.   

Internally, the logic board is not mechanically secured.  It's supposed to be a friction fit between plastic (no screws), but it's generally floating a bit.  The speed adjustment is definitely floating, and flimsey.

It does what it's supposed to do, though.
   Thanks for the Real World Feedback on the Mafell.  Those 'interesting' caveats don't come up in the You Tube videos or articles I've seen on the P1cc Jig Saw, so as always, we 'ask the person' who owns one.... [cool] [cool] [cool] [cool] [cool]

I have not experienced the same issues - mine does not get too hot - no different than other barrel grip saws. I have not noticed the other issues either. But, my first P1CC did break - the main bearing on the plunge mechanism broke under warranty and I had to get a new machine - so even the super pricey Mafell has lemon tools.

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Re: Loving the Carvex
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2018, 10:12 PM »
Yah, I think I'm gonna go ahead and cause a rip in internet wisdom's time-warp-continuum by dropping the bombshell that the Mafell tracksaw isn't actually any better built than nor better finished than the TS55 while I'm at it.  :0

I'm sure that @morts10n has either legitimate criticsms or possibly legitimate issues, however.    I've sent my fair share of of brand new Festool tools in for repair before having a chance to plug them in.   So, either it's a lemon or it's the already discussed criticisms that just won't fly.

I mentioned in another thread about recently buying a Metabo drill (the Mafell drills are built upon a Metabo model, fyi) for it's beastly torque.  At the end of the day: it ain't a sweetastic T18.  At the following morning: even the PDC is only pushing 500 inch lbs in a 100 foot lb world.   

Different choices for different needs.

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Re: Loving the Carvex
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2018, 10:51 PM »
I own the P1 cc and don’t have any of the issues that yeti postulates. The only thing I don’t know about is the errant circuit board that floats within the Mafell. That may be so, I don’t know otherwise.

I’ve cut 1/2” thick aluminum plate in 85-90 degree temperatures and the jig saw body never got hot.

If you want to secure the foot you simply press the lever until it stops moving, foot secured.

Knowing when to angle something in what direction is just a natural consequence of working with tools. How many times have you aligned your chop saw in the wrong direction? How many times have you set the blade of your circ saw at the wrong angle? How many times have you placed the Festool rail on the wrong side of the cut and reduced the width of the board by 2.2 mm?

It’s all called operator error.



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Re: Loving the Carvex
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2018, 11:07 PM »
Thinking about this further, maybe I should run a quick comparison of a Trion, a Carvex and a Mafell. I’d probably use the same new Trion blade on all 3 saws. I think I have 3 new Trion blades.

If I remember correctly, the Trion & Carvex work fine in thin materials (3/4”), it’s when we up the ante to timber type materials, that the perpendicularity of the Festool saws goes south.

A dust removal comparison will also be interesting.

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Re: Loving the Carvex
« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2018, 02:46 AM »
@Cheese I was grasping at straws in much the same way that adjusting a hex set screw on the Carvex is the end of the world for some users.   [big grin]

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Re: Loving the Carvex
« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2018, 03:35 PM »
Thinking about this further, maybe I should run a quick comparison of a Trion, a Carvex and a Mafell. I’d probably use the same new Trion blade on all 3 saws. I think I have 3 new Trion blades.

If I remember correctly, the Trion & Carvex work fine in thin materials (3/4”), it’s when we up the ante to timber type materials, that the perpendicularity of the Festool saws goes south.

A dust removal comparison will also be interesting.
. That would be cool if you did that. Interesting too...
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Re: Loving the Carvex
« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2018, 06:27 PM »
I have both the Trion and the 18v Carvex. I've long got bored of comenting on how i don't understand people's complaints about these saws.
Honestly, there are either a lot of lemon jigsaws slipping out the festool factory, or a lot of lemons buying them..
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Re: Loving the Carvex
« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2018, 09:12 PM »
I have both the Trion and the 18v Carvex. I've long got bored of comenting on how i don't understand people's complaints about these saws.
Honestly, there are either a lot of lemon jigsaws slipping out the festool factory, or a lot of lemons buying them..

I thought the main complaints about the Trion jigsaws were just about visibility. It’s hard to see the blade particularly if the plastic dust guard is in place, and there’s no dust blower. Otherwise, there’s no steel baseplate available, which I think is mostly my complaint, and you need a wrench to adjust the blade guides and base.

The Carvex on the otherhand seems to get complaints about other issues.

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Re: Loving the Carvex
« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2018, 06:09 PM »
Well pretty much everything Festool (except the Kapex, for some reason) is filled up to the brim with overload protection, other motor protection, and digital pulse wave modulated power management.... so.... you can't really push them beyond their limits.   Which is great for me, and probably a hinderance to others.   But regardless of that, discounting the routers and geared sanders, powerful isn't a word I'd associate with Festool products (at least not with what's available in the USA).   I'm not saying that as a bad thing.   But I am saying that there's probably a lot of complaints coming from people who would be better served by a 900 watt jigsaw.

Vice versa, people complain about the TS55 being "underpowered" and I'm like, "You need a worm drive to cut 1/2" plywood?".


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Re: Loving the Carvex
« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2018, 08:26 PM »


Vice versa, people complain about the TS55 being "underpowered" and I'm like, "You need a worm drive to cut 1/2" plywood?".

I think people like a little more power so they don't need to buy both the TS55, and the TS75 for those moments when they are cutting solid wood.  The Mafell MS55 (1400w 10amp),  lands somewhere near the the middle of the two Festool saws, when it comes to power. 
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Re: Loving the Carvex
« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2018, 08:02 AM »
The Carvex has served me well...

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Re: Loving the Carvex
« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2018, 02:21 PM »
For most of the time I've owned the Carvex, it has been an out of adjustment, blade-rattling POS. I'll put it and both of my Trions up for sale for $25 each to help finance a good jigsaw.... the Mafell methinks

Yikes! Anyway, the P1CC is seriously a beast.  I've done cuts with fine blades with zero pendulum action that other machines would require setting 3 and a rough blade.   It's a timber framing tool, though, so I would expect that power (and with great power comes great heat).

I'm sure you know all of the good news, so I'll mention a few gripes/growing pains so that they don't catch you by surprise.   

You have to lock the foot, foots, feet, footsies beyond the point where you think you're breaking the lever/catch to secure it.  Otherwise, it will come loose and that beast will dance and then come flying at the operator.   Obviously, once the operator knows this, it is no longer an issue.

It gets EXTREMELY hot and fast.  That's the caveat of being extreme, I suppose.
The caveat of barrel grips is that your hand is meant to be precisely on the hottest point.   

The angle foot can be annoying.  It bevels one direction, so you have a 50/50 chance of putting the foot on the wrong side and then having to take it off, turn it around, and put it on again.   

Internally, the logic board is not mechanically secured.  It's supposed to be a friction fit between plastic (no screws), but it's generally floating a bit.  The speed adjustment is definitely floating, and flimsey.

It does what it's supposed to do, though.

The P1cc is a jigsaw and not a timber framing tool. Mafell has these, but they are not jig saws by any stretch. I have a P1cc and have had a Trion and Carvex. I bought the Carvex to replace the Trion that had reached its end of life. It was a complete disappointment that pushed me toward the P1cc. I think I would have been just as happy with another Trion, but that said I am not at all disappointed with the P1cc and like that it works with the Mafell rails. Mine has never gotten extremely hot as you describe, but definitely has been warmer than one might expect. The foot and latch are non-issues that never affected me and I have never had a problem attaching the foot or having it come loose. That might be because I took a few minutes looking it over before using it. As for the logic board I don't see how this is an issue. I've never heard of it causing any problems. The P1cc is a well-built tool that has a long life ahead of it.

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Re: Loving the Carvex
« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2018, 02:29 PM »
Yah, I think I'm gonna go ahead and cause a rip in internet wisdom's time-warp-continuum by dropping the bombshell that the Mafell tracksaw isn't actually any better built than nor better finished than the TS55 while I'm at it.  :0

I'm sure that @morts10n has either legitimate criticsms or possibly legitimate issues, however.    I've sent my fair share of of brand new Festool tools in for repair before having a chance to plug them in.   So, either it's a lemon or it's the already discussed criticisms that just won't fly.

I mentioned in another thread about recently buying a Metabo drill (the Mafell drills are built upon a Metabo model, fyi) for it's beastly torque.  At the end of the day: it ain't a sweetastic T18.  At the following morning: even the PDC is only pushing 500 inch lbs in a 100 foot lb world.   

Different choices for different needs.

Having used a TS55 (owned), TS75 (still own) and the MT55cc (own) I can tell you the Mafell falls somewhere between the TS55 and TS75 in terms of perceived cutting power. The MT55cc has never bogged down on me whereas the TS55 did. I prefer the Mafell, however it and the Festool saws are roughly equivalent. The major differentiator is the rail system: Festool's is far inferior to Mafell's and it is not even close.