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Offline Dave Ronyak

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Re: MFS 400 and MFS 700 Multi-Routing Template System.
« Reply #120 on: March 08, 2008, 11:40 AM »
Thanks, Ned, for your description of the router slide, including some of its limitations.  If you look again in my earlier post, you'll see that I ordered one.

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Offline Ned

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Re: MFS 400 and MFS 700 Multi-Routing Template System.
« Reply #121 on: March 08, 2008, 11:43 AM »
Thanks, Ned, for your description of the router slide, including some of its limitations.  If you look again in my earlier post, you'll see that I ordered one.

Dave R.

Whoops.  Oh well...(tap dancing)...at least now the other readers of this thread will know what you're talking about.

Ned

Offline Matthew Schenker

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Re: MFS 400 and MFS 700 Multi-Routing Template System.
« Reply #122 on: March 08, 2008, 11:43 AM »
Ned,
Thanks for posting those photos.  Over the years, I have toyed with numerous shop-made jigs for sliding a router over a surface to level it (I'm a big fan of using routers as much as possible).  The MFS/router slide combination seems like the best solution I've ever seen for leveling surfaces and even for cutting at various places in a surface for inlays and other ideas we could dream up.  I'm imagining more possibilities as I write this...

How large a surface do you think could be surfaced and handled with the MFS?

This is getting more interesting by the day!

Matthew
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Offline Ned

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Re: MFS 400 and MFS 700 Multi-Routing Template System.
« Reply #123 on: March 08, 2008, 12:05 PM »
How large a surface do you think could be surfaced and handled with the MFS?

The length of the slide limits one direction to about 590mm (~23").  You might be able to get a bit more with a wide planer bit. 

The slide in the pic is mounted on an MFS 700 kit at max size, so you see that 700's are the longest rails you need parallel to the router's movement.  The other rails could be of any length-- 1m, 2m, 2m joined, doesn't matter.

With scaffolding underneath to support the MFS, the setup could handle oddly shaped things like tree stumps.

Using the idea of the router slide, but not the part itself, you could set up a rectangle as if you were using it to cut a circle, and then use it as a router slide traveling on two flat surfaces on either side of the work.  I don't know how big this would have to be before the extrusions sagged too much.  I'm guessing 1m would be fine, but 2?  Stiffening might be added.

While the 1010 would work for this, the 1400 with a 1/2"-shank planer bit would be a better choice.

For the really big stuff, the 2000/2200 would be the ticket.  I don't think the 2000 or 2200 will fit in the router slide.  Anyone know?

Ned


Offline Jerry Work

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Re: MFS 400 and MFS 700 Multi-Routing Template System.
« Reply #124 on: March 13, 2008, 11:30 AM »
The routing slide is a very simple, versatile gizmo.  I usually take off the lock lever and do not engage the tabs into the MFS groves.  Instead, I let the slide be free to move across the gap while moving the router up and down over the gap.  I find that much faster if you have a large area to evacuate.  The large flat areas on the routing slide make it easy to control this way, just don't let one end fall off the MFS while routing or you can imagine the damage that would follow in addition to a very unsafe situation developing rapidly all around you.  With the routing slide locked to the top of the MFS that risk is not present so that is a good alternative while getting familiar with using it free from the MFS.

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Offline Frank Pellow

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Re: MFS 400 and MFS 700 Multi-Routing Template System.
« Reply #125 on: October 05, 2008, 09:23 PM »
Brice, I finally got around to reading this thread and I spent a very enjoyable and worthwhile couple of hours doing so.  Very well done indeed!

But, I am not sure that I should thank you because now an MFS is on my 'I Want this Tool and I Think that I can Justify it' list.  Most tools that I want (such as the Kapex) I can not justify so it is not easy for a tool to make the list.
Cheers,   
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Offline Overtime

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Re: MFS 400 and MFS 700 Multi-Routing Template System.
« Reply #126 on: October 05, 2008, 09:57 PM »
Yea what Frank said.
 I have read the great review, and I still want it.
Same goes for the

OF - FH routing aid and the

Festool's edge routing accessories

But for now I just make more jigs for work arounds.
Patrick

Offline Dave Ronyak

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Re: MFS 400 and MFS 700 Multi-Routing Template System.
« Reply #127 on: October 06, 2008, 10:34 PM »
I am currently building an entertainment center - based somewhat on a "design as you proceed" approach.  Among the mistakes I made and had to correct was not allowing sufficient clearance for the middle section of the full extension drawer slides; the drawers were completely finished before I realized my error!  (Always buy the hardware you intend to use BEFORE you finalize the design.)  MFS 400 to the rescue!  I set up the MFS, referencing off the bottom edges of the drawers and routed into the sides of the drawers a slight groove to accept the slides.  I used my OF 1400 router with PC bushing adapter and a brass bushing from a set I purchased from Woodcraft.  To set up the width of the MFS, I simply marked the side of the drawer with a pencil and then eyeballed the point of contact of the 3/8 inch straight bit with the workpiece.  The angle brackets supplied with the MFS made it very easy to setup the MFS relative to the bottom edge of each of the drawer sides that needed to be routed.  To avoid wearing the scales on the MFS, after setting the width of the opening, I flipped the MFS and then attached the angle brackets.  Thus the router was moved over the back surfaces of the MFS.  This was my first use of my MFS; it saved me a lot of time and more cumbersome rework.

Dave R.
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Offline Frank Pellow

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Re: MFS 400 and MFS 700 Multi-Routing Template System.
« Reply #128 on: October 19, 2008, 01:24 PM »
Brice, I finally got around to reading this thread and I spent a very enjoyable and worthwhile couple of hours doing so.  Very well done indeed!

But, I am not sure that I should thank you because now an MFS is on my 'I Want this Tool and I Think that I can Justify it' list.  Most tools that I want (such as the Kapex) I can not justify so it is not easy for a tool to make the list.
Well I was lucky!  ;D Festool USA sent me a MFS/700 as the prize for "winning" the September contest.  It arrived two days ago and I am about to try it out.   ;D
Cheers,   
               Frank (Festool connoisseur)

Offline Dave Ronyak

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Re: MFS 400 and MFS 700 Multi-Routing Template System.
« Reply #129 on: December 16, 2008, 09:19 PM »
Well, Frank, have you tried out your MFS 700 yet?  I think you'll like it more the more you use it.

Dave R.
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Offline Frank Pellow

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Re: MFS 400 and MFS 700 Multi-Routing Template System.
« Reply #130 on: December 16, 2008, 09:40 PM »
Well, Frank, have you tried out your MFS 700 yet?  I think you'll like it more the more you use it.

Dave R.
Yes Dave, I have tried it out and I like it.

But, all I have done it to copy some of the things that  Brice showed us how to do.  I have not yet used it on a real project.
Cheers,   
               Frank (Festool connoisseur)

Offline sakurama

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Re: MFS 400 and MFS 700 Multi-Routing Template System.
« Reply #131 on: August 12, 2013, 10:31 AM »
Just a bump to see if Brice might be able to update the photos on this. I just picked up one of these and I'd like to start using it for our remodel and I'm looking for as much info as I can find before I dive in.

Gregor
new york • portland • www.gregorhalenda.com

Offline Michael_Swe

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Re: MFS 400 and MFS 700 Multi-Routing Template System.
« Reply #132 on: August 12, 2013, 03:13 PM »
Jerry Work wrote quite a paper on the MFS some years ago:
Jerry Work MFS

While looking for it I also found this:
Jerry Work MFS 2

<edit>
I'm building a Kapex fence myself. Wouldn't dream of using the MFS for fence. It's expensive and not as good as an Incra fence in my opinion.
</edit>

//Michael
« Last Edit: August 12, 2013, 03:16 PM by Michael_Swe »

Offline Brice Burrell

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Re: MFS 400 and MFS 700 Multi-Routing Template System.
« Reply #133 on: August 12, 2013, 09:05 PM »
Just a bump to see if Brice might be able to update the photos on this. I just picked up one of these and I'd like to start using it for our remodel and I'm looking for as much info as I can find before I dive in.

Gregor

Here is the whole guide in PDF format, MFS users guide, Brice Burrell
« Last Edit: August 12, 2013, 09:08 PM by Brice Burrell »
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Offline fidelfs

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Re: MFS 400 and MFS 700 Multi-Routing Template System.
« Reply #134 on: August 13, 2013, 10:47 AM »
Brice,

Thanks for the pdf.  I have another post asking festool to have all the reviews converted to pdf (if the owner of the pictures agree, first of all not copyright infringement ).

This way it will be always there.

Thanks,
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Offline sakurama

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Re: MFS 400 and MFS 700 Multi-Routing Template System.
« Reply #135 on: August 13, 2013, 09:28 PM »
Thanks Brice and Michael. I found Jerry's first guide and am midway through it but I'm a big researcher so I like to read as much as I can before I jump in with a new tool. Looking forward to using this.

Gregor
new york • portland • www.gregorhalenda.com

Offline Gunso

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Re: MFS 400 and MFS 700 Multi-Routing Template System.
« Reply #136 on: May 10, 2018, 05:52 PM »
Did anyone every make a PDF of this? It would be awesome to read it AND see the photos.



Offline ben_r_

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Re: MFS 400 and MFS 700 Multi-Routing Template System.
« Reply #139 on: May 11, 2018, 04:34 PM »
Nice document! I hadnt seen this before!
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Offline Brice Burrell

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Re: MFS 400 and MFS 700 Multi-Routing Template System.
« Reply #140 on: May 11, 2018, 05:02 PM »
I've updated the link to the pdf file, and included it as an attachment so you can download it from directly from the FOG.
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Offline jobsworth

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Re: MFS 400 and MFS 700 Multi-Routing Template System.
« Reply #141 on: June 02, 2018, 11:06 AM »
Brice,

Now ya got me wanting to get one of those doo hickies.  [censored]

Offline rst

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Re: MFS 400 and MFS 700 Multi-Routing Template System.
« Reply #142 on: June 02, 2018, 01:08 PM »
Jobsworth, Trade-Counter-Online has them on Ebay.   

Offline Roachmill

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Re: MFS 400 and MFS 700 Multi-Routing Template System.
« Reply #143 on: June 02, 2018, 07:38 PM »
Wow. Great guide! One small thing I would add as I picked up a set of the Benchdogs fence dogs (https://benchdogs.co.uk/products/fence-dogs) with the initial idea of using them as intended for the MFT fence. After picking up some M4 knobs you can use them to secure the MFS down a whole lot easier than using clamps :)

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Offline dicktill

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Re: MFS 400 and MFS 700 Multi-Routing Template System.
« Reply #144 on: June 02, 2018, 09:40 PM »
Wow. Great guide! One small thing I would add as I picked up a set of the Benchdogs fence dogs (https://benchdogs.co.uk/products/fence-dogs) with the initial idea of using them as intended for the MFT fence. After picking up some M4 knobs you can use them to secure the MFS down a whole lot easier than using clamps :)

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Great design. Does anyone sell these fence dogs in the US?

Thanks, Dick

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: MFS 400 and MFS 700 Multi-Routing Template System.
« Reply #145 on: June 02, 2018, 11:50 PM »
How stiff are MFS rails in the orientation you show?  This looks like they could turn MFS into a track for a router sled setup.  Use these to level or true the rails and then off one goes.  Of course this would mean MFS in US, this has to be the biggest discontinuation head scratcher of Festools part, or did it simply become popular after they killed if off?

Wow. Great guide! One small thing I would add as I picked up a set of the Benchdogs fence dogs (https://benchdogs.co.uk/products/fence-dogs) with the initial idea of using them as intended for the MFT fence. After picking up some M4 knobs you can use them to secure the MFS down a whole lot easier than using clamps :)