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Offline batmanrobin

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Oneida dust extraction, Kapex and Planex Easy pros and cons
« on: February 15, 2018, 09:36 AM »
Looking to buy Oneida dust extraction for my CT36 and also add a Kapex to it soon. What are your likes and dislikes on those 2 and a Planex easy.  Thanks

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Offline rst

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Re: Oneida dust extraction, Kapex and Planex Easy pros and cons
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2018, 11:17 AM »
I have three of the steel cyclones that are mounted on 30 gallon paint/grease cans and one of the Festool versions that lives on top of a MIDI.  Great stuff...never cleaned filters in last six years.

Offline jpmeunier

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Re: Oneida dust extraction, Kapex and Planex Easy pros and cons
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2018, 12:10 PM »
I have about a year on a ct26 with dust deputy. Using a miter saw, track saw, router, and sanders. I'll echo positive thoughts.

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Re: Oneida dust extraction, Kapex and Planex Easy pros and cons
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2018, 04:37 PM »
Do you mean the Ultimate Dust Deputy?
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Re: Oneida dust extraction, Kapex and Planex Easy pros and cons
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2018, 07:27 AM »
Here is my setup for my Kapex.  Using the plastic dust deputy and a dedicated Rigid 5hp small vacuum on a roller platform I made.  This way my larger Dust Deputy is free for connecting to the table saw, router table, planer, etc.  Don't have to switch hoses every time I use the Kapex and it rolls away for storage.  Using a short section of Rigid hose to connect to the Kapex.  Have it wired through an IVac controller so the vac comes on with the saw.
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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2018, 08:49 AM »
Many of my coworkers have the DD.  They swear by them. I have mulled about getting the CT compatible DD, simply because this version seems more durable than the 5 gallon bucket versions.

HOWEVER...

I just saw on Tool Nut that the CT version of the Dust Deputy is not compatible with any 2018 CTs.  That may be a deal breaker for me.

Does this mean that older Systainers won’t fit 2018 CTs either?  I’m puzzled.
« Last Edit: March 11, 2018, 08:53 AM by Naildrivingman »
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Offline tomp

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Re: Oneida dust extraction, Kapex and Planex Easy pros and cons
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2018, 02:35 PM »
 Wonder in what way it's not compatible. Just ordered a Domino, DD and the new CT26 before the end of April and waiting for the Domino and CT to ship. The would kind of be a deal breaker for me too, only because I need the DD to sit on top of the CT because of space limitations. Perhaps I could contact Tool Nut and change my order to the old model CT before it ships?

Offline Doc Fluty

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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2018, 02:37 PM »
oh darn, I wish I would have new that before.

My new 2018 ct26 is being delivered tomorrow and my Ultimate Dust Deputy is already sitting in the corner waiting for it.

uuuggghhh... nothings ever simple for me lol
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Offline Tom Gensmer

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Re: Oneida dust extraction, Kapex and Planex Easy pros and cons
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2018, 02:58 PM »
Oneida Cyclones are great, I own a Oneida Dust Cobra and an Oneida Mini Gorilla.

Keep in mind that cyclones most effectively separate large chips. The smaller/finer the particles, the less effective the cyclone will be at separating. For instance, chips going off a planer or router table area easy, whereas drywall dust will be more of a challenge for the cyclone to fully separate. It has been my experience that Dust Deputies work well, but be prepared for the fleece bag to clog before it fills, and to be "OK" with throwing out fleece bags that are half-full but fully saturated with ultra-fine dust when sanding drywall.
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Offline ben_r_

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Re: Oneida dust extraction, Kapex and Planex Easy pros and cons
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2018, 03:17 PM »
I just saw on Tool Nut that the CT version of the Dust Deputy is not compatible with any 2018 CTs.  That may be a deal breaker for me.

Does this mean that older Systainers won’t fit 2018 CTs either?  I’m puzzled.
Yea that doesnt make sense. But I have been waiting for confirmation on this before I ordered the new hose garage to upgrade my existing CT 36.
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Offline Naildrivingman

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Re: Oneida dust extraction, Kapex and Planex Easy pros and cons
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2018, 04:18 PM »
I just saw on Tool Nut that the CT version of the Dust Deputy is not compatible with any 2018 CTs.  That may be a deal breaker for me.

Does this mean that older Systainers won’t fit 2018 CTs either?  I’m puzzled.
Yea that doesnt make sense. But I have been waiting for confirmation on this before I ordered the new hose garage to upgrade my existing CT 36.
I have no confirmation on this statement and perhaps @Shane Holland does, but I’m wondering if the CT Dust Devil sits down inside the perimeter of the old hose garage while the systainers sit simply in the recess. I can’t imagine that FT would be shortsighted enough to design a new garage that would exclude integration of even the T-loc SYS, not to mention the classic SYS.  If older SYS do not fit in the new garages, FT has made a significant mistake.
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Re: Oneida dust extraction, Kapex and Planex Easy pros and cons
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2018, 06:11 PM »
Guys, sorry for the delayed response. I've been away from the computer today.

Here's what's going on. We have had a couple of customers already report issues with compatibility between the Oneida Ultimate Dust Deputy and the newly updated (2018 version) CTs. The reason is that Festool reversed the orientation of the Systainer latches on the hose garage. That means that one of the tubes is not long enough to reach. You can see the red square in the attached photo that shows where the tube attaches.

We have reached out to Oneida on the topic and they have purchased one of the new CTs from us. We will keep everyone posted when we get more information.

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Offline Naildrivingman

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Re: Oneida dust extraction, Kapex and Planex Easy pros and cons
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2018, 06:37 PM »
Thanks @Shane Holland

So, technically the DD is still compatible.  All one needs to do is purchase a longer vacuum hose or get one from Oneida.

When I read about incompatibility, I was thinking of the footprint.  Glad to hear that is not the case.
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Offline rst

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Re: Oneida dust extraction, Kapex and Planex Easy pros and cons
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2018, 06:56 PM »
I don't think Shane is referring to the hose but rather the tube that Oneida furnishes to vacuum the bag to the container walls...could be wrong though.  The tube is just 1/4 or 5/16" polypropylene tube connected to the container and a valve to shut off the suction.   [unsure]

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Re: Oneida dust extraction, Kapex and Planex Easy pros and cons
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2018, 06:58 PM »
@Naildrivingman

It's actually a 1/4" tube that, I believe, is used for back pressure / suction. You can see it in step 13 on page 7 of the instruction manual. While a longer tube would certainly solve the issue, it would be a little hacky. Ideally, the valve would be repositioned to the other side so it's closer to the hose connector on the vac. Otherwise, the tube would be running from the front of the vac to the back and could get caught on something.

PS - The footprint is fine, no issues there.
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Offline Naildrivingman

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« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2018, 07:23 PM »
I don't think Shane is referring to the hose but rather the tube that Oneida furnishes to vacuum the bag to the container walls...could be wrong though.  The tube is just 1/4 or 5/16" polypropylene tube connected to the container and a valve to shut off the suction.   [unsure]
Thanks @rst for the correction. I realized after the fact that my post was confusing, but I forgot to return and edit it.

I’m just happy that the fix is relatively simple.
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Offline Doc Fluty

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« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2018, 09:39 PM »
oh good, it's not a real hardware problem or that it wouldn't mount correctly on the actual extractor.

I get my 2018 ct26 from festoolproducts.com (as well as my domino) tomorrow and am glad the UDD I got from them will still work. I don't plan on using a bag in my garage setting, so I don't foresee a problem with the small clear hose not being long enough.

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Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Oneida dust extraction, Kapex and Planex Easy pros and cons
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2018, 07:31 AM »
To fix the tube going from the front to the back, you can use Auto-adhesive tie mounts to secure it.

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Offline tomp

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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2018, 10:33 AM »
Just got a notice that my Domino and CT26 shipped so too late to talk about changing my order to the old (2017) model of the CT. Talked to CS at Oneida, they are aware of the problem and will ship me the "fix" - a 5' length of tubing to go from the back to the front of the unit. I mentioned the idea of the self-adhesive mounts which they thought was a good idea and will be looking at, so maybe the fix will eventually include a couple of the mounts. I did a quick check, and they're available at Lowes at $2.28 for a pack of 10.

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« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2018, 10:35 AM »
Until Oneida gets a more permanent solution in place, I would think anyone wanting to do so could just drill and move the valve to the other side of the dust bin pretty easily. Would just need something to plug or cap the old hole.
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« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2018, 11:24 AM »
I use my UDD on top of my Ct-36 Auto almost all the time. Sounds like the newest vacs are requiring that redo from us or Oneida, but it all sounds easy to correct either way with that Tube /Valve relocation.
 I use the Festool 50mm Boom Hose to connect the UDD to the Vac, anti-static all the way.  Oneida provided an update kit a few years ago to help improve their Anti-Static path with the UDDs. I never had an Static issue before or after installing the kit, but not using their provided original hose and instead always using an AS hose from Festool may have prevented me from having any issues with Static in the first place.
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Offline TPatti

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Re: Oneida dust extraction, Kapex and Planex Easy pros and cons
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2018, 11:09 AM »
Many of my coworkers have the DD.  They swear by them. I have mulled about getting the CT compatible DD, simply because this version seems more durable than the 5 gallon bucket versions.

HOWEVER...

I just saw on Tool Nut that the CT version of the Dust Deputy is not compatible with any 2018 CTs.  That may be a deal breaker for me.

Does this mean that older Systainers won’t fit 2018 CTs either?  I’m puzzled.

I spoke with Oneida the other day. They said the UDD will fit the 2018’s, just have to turn it backwards and to let them know and they will send you a longer hose for the pressure hook up if using a plastic liner.

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« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2018, 02:39 PM »
Oneida will be including longer tubing moving forward to resolve this issue. Updated instructions attached below.

Our existing inventory will have the longer tubing shortly (approximately 1 week).
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Re: Oneida dust extraction, Kapex and Planex Easy pros and cons
« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2018, 05:37 AM »
You will love the CT26...now the Kapex is another thing.  I almost bit the bullet and bought one recently but with all the motor issues I am staying clear until a new version comes out or issue is correctly addressed by FESTOOL.  They seem to be turning the other way on the Known Kapex motor issue.  For now using my reliable Dewalt DWS780.

Offline Naildrivingman

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« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2018, 06:27 AM »
I just took delivery of my UDD. I am pleased at the durability of the unit.  I had not seen a UDD in person before now, only the standard DD.

In reading @leakyroof post above, he indicates that the Oneida supplied vacuum hose is NOT anti static and that he uses his 50mm boom arm hose as the cyclone to CT pathway. I assumed that Oneida’s supplied hose would be anti static, but I will follow @leakyroof’s lead.  Why take a chance?  Besides, I don’t see another use for the 50mm hose now with the UDD sitting atop my CT. With the boom arm, I will not need the extra length that the 50mm provides.

Thanks for the advice @leakyroof   
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« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2018, 08:39 AM »
I just took delivery of my UDD. I am pleased at the durability of the unit.  I had not seen a UDD in person before now, only the standard DD.

In reading @leakyroof post above, he indicates that the Oneida supplied vacuum hose is NOT anti static and that he uses his 50mm boom arm hose as the cyclone to CT pathway. I assumed that Oneida’s supplied hose would be anti static, but I will follow @leakyroof’s lead.  Why take a chance?  Besides, I don’t see another use for the 50mm hose now with the UDD sitting atop my CT. With the boom arm, I will not need the extra length that the 50mm provides.

Thanks for the advice @leakyroof
.  A little clarification.....I was a VERY early adopter of the UDD , back then Oneida didn’t even have the vacuum fitting to try and keep your plastic bag against the sides of the UDD like the later versions now have.  The hoses they provided were unknown in terms of AS ability.
So I elected to get the boom hose from Festool as a substitute.
Oneida has since upgraded and changed their hoses, they could be really good but since I already have my set-up with that Boom
Hose, I wouldn’t be the person to ask.... [wink]
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« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2018, 08:19 PM »
I just took delivery of my UDD. I am pleased at the durability of the unit.  I had not seen a UDD in person before now, only the standard DD.

In reading @leakyroof post above, he indicates that the Oneida supplied vacuum hose is NOT anti static and that he uses his 50mm boom arm hose as the cyclone to CT pathway. I assumed that Oneida’s supplied hose would be anti static, but I will follow @leakyroof’s lead.  Why take a chance?  Besides, I don’t see another use for the 50mm hose now with the UDD sitting atop my CT. With the boom arm, I will not need the extra length that the 50mm provides.

Are you using the UDD with the Boom arm? I have the UDD installed, and purchased a Boom Arm when it was on sale, but haven't installed it. How do they work together?
BTW, I've been using the UDD, a newer model, with no issues with my Kapex and other tools on my CT36.

Offline Naildrivingman

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« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2018, 08:50 PM »
I just took delivery of my UDD. I am pleased at the durability of the unit.  I had not seen a UDD in person before now, only the standard DD.

In reading @leakyroof post above, he indicates that the Oneida supplied vacuum hose is NOT anti static and that he uses his 50mm boom arm hose as the cyclone to CT pathway. I assumed that Oneida’s supplied hose would be anti static, but I will follow @leakyroof’s lead.  Why take a chance?  Besides, I don’t see another use for the 50mm hose now with the UDD sitting atop my CT. With the boom arm, I will not need the extra length that the 50mm provides.

I do have the boom arm, but it is currently not mounted to my CT. I can say for certain, but I think the boom will work just fine since the connection to the large 50mm hose is about the same elevation as the UDD connection elevation.

I’m sure someone here on the FOG has it and will weigh in favorably.
Are you using the UDD with the Boom arm? I have the UDD installed, and purchased a Boom Arm when it was on sale, but haven't installed it. How do they work together?
BTW, I've been using the UDD, a newer model, with no issues with my Kapex and other tools on my CT36.
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