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Offline PeterK

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Re: Pat Warner's take on the OF1400
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2009, 09:34 PM »
Pat needs to play with the OF2200!!!! He has resisted the Festool line-up for a long time. Tried to get him to sell offset base plates a few years ago but he felt it was not worth his time and effort - sales volume and purchase price of router I think being the reasons. May be now that he has truly tried out the OF1400, he might offer a few accessories.

Offline Charimon

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Re: Pat Warner's take on the OF1400
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2009, 10:26 PM »
he caught me off guard with this.
"The head control knob and lever are unique to this tool. No other extant plunger uses a lever as a head control knob."

It took me a second to figure out he was talking about the trigger handle [unsure]

It would be interesting to see his take on the OF 2200. 

  It was entertaining to see him review a piece of equipment that he couldn't really dis, and cant really make any improvements accessories.

 of interest  no mention of the DC,  the ratcheting colet, and a note of the backlash in the depth adjust.

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Offline Jimhart

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Re: Pat Warner's take on the OF1400
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2009, 12:30 AM »
Is it just me, or does that review read like borderline techno-gibberish? Armamentarium?

I have a college degree, communicate somewhat complicated things to professionals all day and have been using routers for about 30 years. I had to re-read some of those sentences 3 or 4 times and still didn't know what he was talking about.

In my profession, I take 100% responsibility when I fail to communicate clearly to my target audience. I really have to wonder who Pat thinks his target audience is.

Offline Steve-CO

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Re: Pat Warner's take on the OF1400
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2009, 12:40 AM »
Is it just me, or does that review read like borderline techno-gibberish? Armamentarium?


I thought it was just me, I had to look up Armamentarium, it must of been on his word of the day calendar and he had to use it.

Offline PeterK

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Re: Pat Warner's take on the OF1400
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2009, 08:35 AM »
Pat is a great guy - but---
Try reading his router books! Very good and full of info but the way he explains building jigs and usage is extremely hard for me at least to comprehend. Not sure of his background as his method of communication is quite different. If I lived on the West coast, I would have tried out one of his router classes just to better understand all his ideas in the books.

Offline greg mann

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Re: Pat Warner's take on the OF1400
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2009, 09:23 AM »
The review was more favorable than I would have expected. Pat tends to like his routers to follow a conventional formula: the 1010 and 1400 don't. I think his observations are consistent in other respects. The lock-up on the 1400's plunge is a bit gradual, probably a result of the mechanism that locks both posts which necessarily involves more parts in the chain. If I were to quibble it would be that I also the feel of the lock up could be more distinct. It is good that he recognizes the robust quality and the nature of how everything is designed to function together. I do think the 2200 would be more his kind of router.

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Offline PeterK

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Re: Pat Warner's take on the OF1400
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2009, 09:37 AM »
Agree with Greg. Pat was/is a lover of large heavy routers. He is always photographed with the PC 7518 in handheld usage. I started doing that and it is a great router as all that extra router weight works in your favor to better control it. I am using my OF2200 lots more now as it just does not get affected by grain or knots as the weight keeps it moving nicely. I bet Pat would really love the OF2200 other than it is somewhat top heavy although the base is plenty large enough to provide great control. He was a big fan of the Dewalt/ELU 621 and it had such a tiny base that it was almost unusable without an oversize aftermarket base (Pat's!). True also that it would be difficult to sell accessories for the routers as so many are available from Festool.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Pat Warner's take on the OF1400
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2009, 09:54 AM »
I'm surprised no one has commented on this part, "The wire set socket and supply are carnal knowledgeable." Maybe Pat's use of odd words and phrases is an example of a a very dry sense of humor. Has anyone taken a class from him.

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Re: Pat Warner's take on the OF1400
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2009, 10:07 AM »
Is it just me, or does that review read like borderline techno-gibberish? Armamentarium?


I thought it was just me, I had to look up Armamentarium, it must of been on his word of the day calendar and he had to use it.

I stopped reading his review after the first couple of paragraphs, I simply don't have time to read product review that aren't more clear and concise. I don't know if he even cares what the audience takes from his reviews. 

I'm surprised no one has commented on this part, "The wire set socket and supply are carnal knowledgeable." Maybe Pat's use of odd words and phrases is an example of a a very dry sense of humor. Has anyone taken a class from him.

Does he think he's being witty or funny? I have no idea and I'd not be likely to take one of his classes if that's his communication style. He knows router and he has nice products though.
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Offline Jimhart

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Re: Pat Warner's take on the OF1400
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2009, 11:07 AM »
The review was more favorable than I would have expected. Pat tends to like his routers to follow a conventional formula: the 1010 and 1400 don't. I think his observations are consistent in other respects. The lock-up on the 1400's plunge is a bit gradual, probably a result of the mechanism that locks both posts which necessarily involves more parts in the chain. If I were to quibble it would be that I also the feel of the lock up could be more distinct. It is good that he recognizes the robust quality and the nature of how everything is designed to function together. I do think the 2200 would be more his kind of router.

Armamentarium; Accessories supplied by the router manufacturer that render unnecessary any aftermarket goodies made by Pat Warner.

Greg,

Thank you for the translation.  ;D

Jim

Offline Jim Kirkpatrick

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Re: Pat Warner's take on the OF1400
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2009, 11:24 AM »
He seems like a sharp guy, a lot of innovative products on his website.  But how could such a sharp guy spell "mortise" with a "c"?!

Offline greg mann

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Re: Pat Warner's take on the OF1400
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2009, 11:34 AM »
The review was more favorable than I would have expected. Pat tends to like his routers to follow a conventional formula: the 1010 and 1400 don't. I think his observations are consistent in other respects. The lock-up on the 1400's plunge is a bit gradual, probably a result of the mechanism that locks both posts which necessarily involves more parts in the chain. If I were to quibble it would be that I also the feel of the lock up could be more distinct. It is good that he recognizes the robust quality and the nature of how everything is designed to function together. I do think the 2200 would be more his kind of router.

Armamentarium; Accessories supplied by the router manufacturer that render unnecessary any aftermarket goodies made by Pat Warner.

Greg,

Thank you for the translation.  ;D



Jim




Glad to be of service. ;)

I am not really put off by Pat's writing style or word selection, although I agree with Michael about "carnal knowledgeable". That one will have a lot of readers scratching their heads. Perhaps my tolerance is informed by the fact that my friends are always giving me a hard time for pulling out obscure words now and then. I find a little irony that Pat's videos, in which he explains how he actually uses routers to accomplish various tasks, are narrated in a very clear and concise manner. His speaking style is at odds with his writing style. Either way, he likes the router, finds little to criticise, and is at least consistent with other reviwers as to the nature of his criticism. Let's face it, Pat's seal of approval goes a long way these days, whether it should or not.

« Last Edit: October 30, 2009, 11:35 AM by greg mann »
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Offline Jim Kirkpatrick

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Re: Pat Warner's take on the OF1400
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2009, 12:37 PM »
Greg, Of course when you say "criticise", we know you mean "criticize".   [poke]

Offline greg mann

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Re: Pat Warner's take on the OF1400
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2009, 12:57 PM »
Hey, Ctoolman, what you got against esses? ::) FWIW, I see mortice and mortise used interchangeably all the time. You are, of course, correct to criticize my use of s instead of z.
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Re: Pat Warner's take on the OF1400
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2009, 03:54 PM »
I'm sure Mr. Warner is a router expert but he writes like Salman Rushdie... Great material, very hard to read.

I noticed he states that he is:

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fluent in Acrylic, Aluminum, Phenolic, wood, ply, MDF miscellaneous substrates and English

At first, I thought he must mean the Queen's English, as butchered many different ways within 100 miles of the Tower Bridge. Then, I noticed that he didn't spell it "Aluminium".


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Re: Pat Warner's take on the OF1400
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2009, 05:11 PM »
Is it just me, or does that review read like borderline techno-gibberish? Armamentarium?


I thought it was just me, I had to look up Armamentarium, it must of been on his word of the day calendar and he had to use it.

"The equipment of medecines, instruments, and appliances used by a medical man"  OED (my Bible - sorry Websters, but I'm a Brit)
So this guy is a Doctor?  Or is he just tyring to find a pseud (thanks Private Eye  [wink]) way of saying that Festool's are surgically precise.

Offline Steve-CO

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Re: Pat Warner's take on the OF1400
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2009, 05:17 PM »
Is it just me, or does that review read like borderline techno-gibberish? Armamentarium?


I thought it was just me, I had to look up Armamentarium, it must of been on his word of the day calendar and he had to use it.

"The equipment of medecines, instruments, and appliances used by a medical man"  OED (my Bible - sorry Websters, but I'm a Brit)
So this guy is a Doctor?  Or is he just tyring to find a pseud (thanks Private Eye  [wink]) way of saying that Festool's are surgically precise.

There's a 2nd definition for that word too, " The complete range of materials available or used for a task."  or as I prefer, accessories.

Offline The Woodentop

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Re: Pat Warner's take on the OF1400
« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2009, 08:14 AM »
We all have a bit of 'pseud' in us really if we're honest don't we Richard.
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Offline bonesbr549

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Re: Pat Warner's take on the OF1400
« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2009, 12:10 PM »
I've read a lot of Pat's stuff.  He's very good and I'd take a class from him, if we were not east coast/west coast.   If you look at the things he tends to focus on precision (take a look as some of his photos) you can see where he made some comments.  I did not take exception to the items he mentioned like the run out in the depth gauge.  So what, I don't use it for that precise anyway to be honest.  If I want to get down to the.0001, I use my router table with woodpecker PRL and the 7518 mounted in it.  I had (and still do) the PC 890 series and there are things I like about that router as well, but overall and for a majority of applications I reach for it before anything else.  I don't have anything close to it on the DC.