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Offline Wes.C

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Review of Pro5 Limited
« on: November 02, 2016, 08:42 PM »
picked up a Pro 5 ltd yesterday Nov 1st from Woodcraft of Delaware.

Began using it at work today sanding poplar jamb extension edges and 2" wide rectangular poplar door casing.  Unit is quiet and low vibration as expected from a festool sander.  I own a RO 150 and have used an ETS 150/3 a lot.  This pro 5 was very difficult to use- it bounced around the workpiece considerably. Much more than my RO 150 in fine sanding mode.  I tried various speeds and vacuum settings.  Also tried with "long life dust bag".  120 grit paper.  Ended up with gouges and uneven surfaces on poplar, almost ruined.  I have used the ETS 150 a lot and always had easy control of it, able to guide it with light finger pressure with no bouncing/eccentric movements.
Curious is there some sort of "break-in" period? doesn't mention it in the manual.  so far I am disappointed, was hoping for extreme control, especially sanding vertically.

open to suggestions, curious if others have similar experiences.

Wes
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Offline dmick

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Re: Review of Pro5 Limited
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2016, 08:50 PM »
Wes, Ive been using one for a little while and have not had the same experience. I also have the RO150 and I much prefer the new pro 5, ive been finishing some cherry  with 80-220 grit for a friend and find that its much like the ETS 125 but you can tell the motor is stronger and it seems very easy in the hand to me! I love the sample pack in the sys, very nice for new follks to festool and the sys in awesome!
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Offline Huxleywood

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Re: Review of Pro5 Limited
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2016, 11:39 PM »
Too much pressure and/or too much suction.  Doesn't take much to stop the orbit. 

Offline dmick

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Re: Review of Pro5 Limited
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2016, 01:24 AM »
That's what I was thinking, too much suction. Ive never really used the suction release on vac's before until I started sanding with the festool sanders/vac combo, it really makes a big difference.
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Offline RKA

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Re: Review of Pro5 Limited
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2016, 07:50 AM »
I used mine on a horizontal surface with the vac turned up on high (120 grit) and didn't notice any jumpiness. I was using a 2x10 (pine) just to see what this was all about. I put some significant pressure on the sander and the pad didn't stop rotating, it muscled through getting a little jumpy, but nothing concerning because you wouldn't put that kind of pressure on a fine sander.

The only theory I have is the stock he was sanding was narrower and perhaps the combination of the pad a slight angle on the sander contributed to the issue?  Perhaps try again on a larger flat surface and see if the problem persists? 

My only other observation so far is this sander is not small, which was the primary reason for purchase.  I prefer the ETS EC series, of course there is the substantial price difference.

[edit] I forgot, I did test it on some 3.75" wide white oak rails I am building as well.  No jumpiness observed there either.  Still, I think that's a fair bit wider than the edge sanding Wes was attempting.
« Last Edit: November 03, 2016, 10:50 AM by RKA »
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Offline lunchman

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Re: Review of Pro5 Limited
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2016, 12:33 PM »
I received mine this morning (ordered within minutes after receiving the email from ToolNut). This isn't any sort of extensive review, I used it for all of ten minutes, sanding in between coats of finish to knock off some roughness on the Bistro table I built.

As an FYI, I also have a RO90 and a RO125, which are my go to sanders. I used it on speed 2 with Granat 360 hooked up to my CT26. Not much to say about it other than it did the job as expected. No jumpiness, easy to maneuver, lightweight, felt comfortable to use.

I'll put it through its paces more when I get to whatever my next project is, using it on unfinished wood.

I also ordered the dust bag, have not used that yet but it may come in handy. Haven't decided whether to change the connector on my CT26 yet, the hose stayed put with the standard friction fit.

For the bargain price of $99, this was well worth it and I'm glad to have added it to my collection of Festool products. Now to figure out what to buy next with the voucher.

-Dom

Offline Wes.C

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Re: Review of Pro5 Limited
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2016, 09:23 PM »
Tried again today, still hard to control. different that any sander I have used in 25 plus years. It's got to be a fluke. Tried to take a video but it looks fake, it jumps so much. A co-worker agreed something must be wrong with it.
I will see if I can exchange it for another before I continue my review.  Glad to hear it works well for others!
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Offline Wes.C

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Re: Review of Pro5 Limited
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2016, 09:32 PM »
here is a vid. totally doesn't look real but trying to use light pressure. this is how much it jumps

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Offline Dovetail65

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Re: Review of Pro5 Limited
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2016, 10:26 PM »
Thats crap hold on

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Re: Review of Pro5 Limited
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2016, 10:36 PM »
Vid coming is coming in a  minute.. The sander isn't a powerful as my 99 DeWalt, but in no way does it jump like that other video.

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« Last Edit: November 03, 2016, 10:56 PM by Dovetail65 »
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Offline Cochese

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Re: Review of Pro5 Limited
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2016, 11:26 PM »
It's about as smooth as any other Festool.


Offline #Tee

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Re: Review of Pro5 Limited
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2016, 12:30 AM »
here is a vid. totally doesn't look real but trying to use light pressure. this is how much it jumps



is this fast forward? i almost had a seizure watching that. i never seen anyone take such an approach while sanding.
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Offline Dovetail65

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Re: Review of Pro5 Limited
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2016, 02:07 AM »
When I use it mine it does not jump at all. I can use it with a super light touch, even let go if it or use pressure to sand off a pencil mark. You can hear when I bear down on it a few times, you can see the light touch as well.

There is simply ZERO  jumping whatsoever. On that inlay piece the shapes were not flush, that's why it takes a bit of time to sand that pencil line, it had to flatten the parts first. That being said the sander is still lacking in power compared to the DeWalt and Makita 5" sanders, but way better for me than the ETS 125. Unlike the ETS 125 Ill keep this sander, it leaves a nice swirl free finish.

If you dont have many sanders to choose from like I do I would get something more powerful. The Makita, Bosch and DeWalt all fill the bill for 99 dollars. If you are in the Festool system this work well too.:

« Last Edit: November 04, 2016, 02:15 AM by Dovetail65 »
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Re: Review of Pro5 Limited
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2016, 10:58 AM »
here is a vid. totally doesn't look real but trying to use light pressure. this is how much it jumps





   That seems quite bad. Check to see that the pad is attached correctly and seated fully. I am not sure exactly how the Pro5 pad attaches but I once reattached my ETS150 pad without having it completely seated in place. I was still able to put the screw in and didn't notice the pad was crooked until  sanding and finding it to be uncontrollable.

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Offline Dovetail65

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Re: Review of Pro5 Limited
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2016, 11:52 AM »
Just a thought where did you get that dust collection bag from? Looking at that sander close, is it a Pro5?

Try hooking the sander to a dust collector and see if it does the same thing. Mine was hooked to a CT 48 for video.
« Last Edit: November 04, 2016, 01:04 PM by Dovetail65 »
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Offline lunchman

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Re: Review of Pro5 Limited
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2016, 12:09 PM »
The pad attaches with 4 screws, as outlined in the instruction manual. Wes, I'd check to make sure all are firmly tightened. Perhaps remove it and reinstall it. That jumping around certainly isn't normal.

I used mine this morning on unfinished wood, speed 5, Granat P360 with the dust bag. I can hold the sander by the Plug-It cord with two fingers and it stays put in one position. It's as stable as both my RO90 and RO125.

I'd see if you can exchange it for another, but given the supply/demand for this sander that might not be simple.

-Dom

Offline bdiemer

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Re: Review of Pro5 Limited
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2016, 12:43 PM »
Cathedral grain like the grain in that video would make any sander jump, especially if the speed is not cut way back.

Offline Wes.C

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Re: Review of Pro5 Limited
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2016, 01:00 PM »
Thanks for the feedback!
Judging by other videos it is a smooth sander indeed.
I will detach and reattach the sanding pad and see if it improves.
Thanks again
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Offline Dovetail65

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Re: Review of Pro5 Limited
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2016, 01:04 PM »
I would say exchange it as last resort, but not sure if that's possible under current climate.
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Review of Pro5 Limited
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2016, 02:15 PM »
Is exchange possible with a limited edition tool?

Offline Dovetail65

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Re: Review of Pro5 Limited
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2016, 02:21 PM »
Its covered under the 30 day, but they just dont have any to exchange at this point.
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Offline JFyre

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Re: Review of Pro5 Limited
« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2016, 11:41 AM »
I'm having a similar experience with my pro5. This is my first Festool product and so far I am a little underwhelmed. While mine doesn't seem to misbehave as badly as yours, it is difficult to keep from walking around on me and from "chattering" on my workpiece. I have to keep an unusually firm grip on it to somewhat prevent it.
I have used it both with and without a vacuum with similar results. I've been using it on 3.5" wide cedar to make a simple gate for the top of the stairs on my deck. So far it seems my Porter Cable 390 ROS is much easier to use.

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Re: Review of Pro5 Limited
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2016, 12:12 PM »
There may be a QC issue with these, I have two and both act just as my video shows, no jumping at all.

I can only think something isn't right about the brake. Take off the pad and put it back on.

Even working perfectly as mine are, I have stated a couple times there is nothing special about the sander. It's not even near the top of the 5" class, 99.00 or not.

It is marginally better than the Festool ETS 125 and works with the plug it, so I will keep it. My brother doesn't care so I may sell or trade his.
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Offline clark_fork

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Re: Review of Pro5 Limited
« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2016, 07:06 PM »
"Leaping Lizards..."Perhaps we could get back to reviews:

Would someone jump in and do a step-by-step on the new hose connection. What are those rings for? Photos maestro....

I did not order the dust collection bag yet. Anyone have thoughts on the dust bag? My thoughts were that I could not see a time when I needed it. What's the good of it?

The snap-on sander protector... seems flimsy

I was pleased with the sander pack included in the Pro-5. However, I ordered the new 400 at the same time, and when I  opened the systainer, it had one measly sheet.

I will say this... this week I took possession of a T-18 +3, a 400 and the new Pro-5. It seems , along with my prior purchase that I  have reached the tipping point. in the club at last and what a club it is....  [big grin]
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Offline antss

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Re: Review of Pro5 Limited
« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2016, 07:30 PM »
@Wes.C  - you got the same results with the vac hookup as with the bag ?

If so, I'm guessing there's a problem with the brake mech.

I also agree with bdiemer - the speed is way too fast for that board.   Did you try it with a lower setting  ?  Same behavior ?

@Dovetail65 - do you think the 30%+ power increase of the sanders you mention is a distinct advantage for finish sanding ???   I'd say yes if you're using it as an all purpose sander and want to use lower grits on rough boards ect...  but for final sand before sealer / finish and between coats I'm not convinced the xtra 150watts is that advantageous.

Certainly doesn't hurt.
« Last Edit: November 08, 2016, 08:57 PM by antss »

Offline RobBob

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Re: Review of Pro5 Limited
« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2016, 08:00 PM »
Even working perfectly as mine are, I have stated a couple times there is nothing special about the sander. It's not even near the top of the 5" class, 99.00 or not.

This is based on what?

Offline Wes.C

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Re: Review of Pro5 Limited
« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2016, 09:32 PM »

I removed and replaced the pad and there was no change in performance unfortunately. Looked like alignment pins were well engaged in pad, rotated the pad 180 degrees in 2nd attempt, to make sure.

At a lower speed it is proportionally easier to control yes, but I have tried several surfaces included painted, poplar, softwood veneer ply at varied or no suction and it is still strangely difficult to control.

Will return mine, but my boss will be getting two of the Pro 5 soon so I will see how those do!
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Re: Review of Pro5 Limited
« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2016, 09:36 PM »
Are you sure he's getting his soon?  [unsure]

Offline Dovetail65

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Re: Review of Pro5 Limited
« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2016, 09:45 PM »
This is so weird both mine work perfectly  fine, on high speed, on low speed on 8 different types of woods with or without vacuum. There is simply no problem with the two Pro5's I have.

It's a QC issue it must be. Something internally is broken and there isn't many parts to these things.

I don't think a user could be at fault for that action, but one video I saw showed the sander jumping around so much I thought the user was forcing it to act that way. It looked like a Rotex in the hands of someone that never used one. These Pro 5 sanders are smooth as silk, I have two of them. My video shows clearly the Pro 5 works fine.

I wish I could use your sander.

I had a lot of thought about this promotion and most know I disagree with this type of low priced item promotion working to gain new customers for high end products. People that get 99 sanders dont all of a sudden jump to 500 sanders becasue of a voucher. The sander would have to be the best they ever used for Festool to have a chance at this working to gain new customers. If there is an issue with this tool it the biggest backfire in tool history(well Festool promotion wise anyhow). Festool may lose customers instead of gain new ones if a good majority of these sanders jump around like this. This delay could be  blessing for Festool.

Festool should get a good sander from a user and a bad one and compare, test and fix the issue before they send out the next batch. Possibly there inst an issue, but more than one person has shown this jumping around. Can this be user fault?
« Last Edit: November 09, 2016, 09:16 PM by Dovetail65 »
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Offline dmick

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Re: Review of Pro5 Limited
« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2016, 09:08 PM »
@clark_fork
is this what your referring to? The Festool Hose Connector?

check it out here: www.festool.com/connector
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