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« on: November 05, 2011, 05:01 AM »

Hello Everyone

I have just put together Part 1 of my review of the new Domino DF 700. For now I will give you the YouTube link but when I have done Part 2 in a few days time I will try and put both parts direcly here on the FOG.

Be kind to me - this is my first video and not up to Paul Marcel's standards. I needed to get hold of the machine very quickly and the chaps at Toolfest got one to me in less than 12 hours - well done guys.

Here is the link.

Festool Domino DF 700


Peter

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I have just finished Part 2 - video production and editing is time consuming but great fun. I am sorry that this one is a little long - I am sure that Steven Spielberg would have made a better job of the whole thing. I have one more part to come - now that is suspence, just like Alfred Hitchcock.

Here is the new link.

Festool Domino DF 700 Review Part 2


Thank you all for the encouragement.

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And now here is the concluding part of the review. I hope that you are not fed up with me yet!

Festool Domino DF 700 Review Part 3


Thanks for watching.

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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2011, 06:13 AM »

Peter, that's a wonderful video. Can't wait till part 2.

Thanks.
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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2011, 07:41 AM »

Hi Peter

very polished video indeed, as good as any festool video. all you need is someone on the camera to zoom in when needed.

My favorite part... the very British laugh at the end.

looking forward to the next instalment
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2011, 07:55 AM »

Great review Peter keep the videos coming.
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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2011, 08:37 AM »

Peter as others have said - excellent review.
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« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2011, 05:13 PM »

You did a marvelous job on the video.  Looking forward to some more.  Big Grin
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« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2011, 06:25 PM »

Peter, great job and welcome to the video club! (not referring to me in that)
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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2011, 06:54 PM »

Peter,

Awesome job -- thanks for putting this together.  Cannot wait for it to be released over here...looking forward to part 2.

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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2011, 07:15 PM »

Great video Peter.  I think I'm in trouble - already figuring out where to find the money and I haven't even seen it cut yet...
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« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2011, 08:57 PM »

 Smile Excellent video, thanks for taking the time to do it//Venk
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« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2011, 10:59 PM »

Well done, Peter.  You seem very natural in front of the camera.  Looking forward to part two.

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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2011, 03:57 PM »

Great video Peter.

Thank you very much for sharing it.
I also look forward to part 2.

Justin.
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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2011, 06:17 PM »

To everyone who has commented above...

Thank you so much, gosh - I am so pleased that the first video worked out ok. I am nearly there on the second part but have to complete a written review of the Domino 700 for the UK magazine 'The Woodworker' first. Please hang on for a little bit longer.

I have now had a serious play with the new machine - it is fabulous. It is very accurate, easy and safe to use and opens up so many new avenues for handheld production work.

More will come. Thanks again. After all of the comments above I feel really great.

Peter
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« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2011, 06:08 AM »

Nicely done, Peter!  'cept you left that hanger where we have to wait for part deux to see it in action!

Nice looking system.  I watched half of it the night you posted it, but was working until 4am on a deadline so I never finished it.  Got it today.

What's the first project with it? Have something already setup or was the rush on the Domino for the magazine review?

I may mute this thread so I don't decide to buy one Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2011, 02:04 AM »

Nicely done, Peter!  'cept you left that hanger where we have to wait for part deux to see it in action!

Nice looking system.  I watched half of it the night you posted it, but was working until 4am on a deadline so I never finished it.  Got it today.

What's the first project with it? Have something already setup or was the rush on the Domino for the magazine review?

I may mute this thread so I don't decide to buy one Smiley

Paul,

You are my hero - thanks to your brilliant video review of the Domino 500 I went out and bought one. Now it is your turn to put your hand in your pocket!

I will describe my bench project to the FOG in due course. The DF 700 review mentions it in several places.

Peter
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« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2011, 03:03 PM »

Oh, the bench is the pressing project  Embarassed  ha ha, I assumed you were gonna use it for your bench, but some other client project was pressing.  Well, you are your own most important client so have fun!  mea culpa...  I'm still gonna mute this thread though  Tongue Out
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« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2011, 01:35 AM »

Hi Paul and Everyone

As you can see the third and final part is now available up above.

In my conclusions I mention the cost of the Domino DF 700. Here in the UK it comes in at £924 and so is not cheap. But, a top of the range Lamello biscuit jointer (the TOP 21) is about £885. I really wish I had mentioned that I have not only sold my staionary morticing machine but also my top of the range Lamello - the latter having been bought about 12 years ago. Now I believe that the new Domino is far more capable than the Lamello and is only £50 more. If one takes into account the price of a reasonable staionary morticer and the Lamello you can get both the Domino DF 500 and the Domino DF 700 together for the same price.

It was Paul Marcel's video that persuaded me to get the DF 500. I hope that I can now help you come to terms with the fact that you really do need a DF 700 and buying makes such good sense. If you have £1000 in the bank the interest rate is below inflation so your money is losing value all the time. Now is the time to invest in something that you know you want and will make you feel good every time that you use it.

For UK members, keep an eye out for The Woodworker magazine as my written review of the new Domino will be in there soon followed by several other bits of Festool kit.

I am now going to give my workshop a makeover and try and get my new bench finished.

Thank you for taking an interest in my videos.

Peter

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« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2011, 07:11 AM »

Peter how come u have 10 fingers ? Scared Poke
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« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2011, 08:30 AM »

Thanks Peter, Part 3 is my favourite.

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« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2011, 09:35 AM »

Peter, thanks for the great review videos of the XL. Well done.  Thumbs Up

It's a phenomenal tool and I really like the improvements over the original design. Now I just need a project to use it on...  Scratching Chin
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« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2011, 11:47 AM »

Peter, thanks for the great review videos of the XL. Well done.  Thumbs Up

It's a phenomenal tool and I really like the improvements over the original design. Now I just need a project to use it on...  Scratching Chin

Shane,

Many thanks. I am continuing to make my new bench as I have a 2 day break before other tasks hit me. I have just used my Domino DF 500 to put in some 5x30mm dominos - they seem so tiny after so many days using the DF 700. I am sure that a project will come along soon enough - if not let me telephone someone you love and suggest that a new garden bench is needed!

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« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2011, 03:54 AM »

Caught up on this thread now that part 3 is up... watched part 2 again cuz I watched it, uhm, at work, uhm, while doing, uhm, work...  Embarassed

Love the 1080P HD; looks great on a 27" monitor!
I'm curious what those black bumpers were on your MFT.  Look simple enough, but also pretty handy if they could stop some lateral motion.

So the plastic piece up near the fence for setting the height now lists the fence-to-center-of-mortise distance?  On the DF-500, the scale on the fence shows that, but the 'quick set' steps show the overall stock thickness.  I'd prefer it show the height (in a way like positive stops).  Sounds like they improved that on the Domizilla.

Too bad you didn't have this for that barn; I could imagine the hassle of taking long stock to a mortising machine.  And the time.  Build another one with the 700 for comparison!

'Naughty words' is far too gentle a description of what I say when I screw up or when the glue seizes in my 104ºF garage in seconds.

Nice video series; well done!  Rats, I forgot to mute the thread...  Unsure
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« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2011, 08:02 AM »

Hi Paul

The black dog like things are what remains of a pair of car cycle carriers and were the tightenening screw for the clamp that held the bike in place. The black part is soft-ish plastic and it has a slightly tapered collar that fits snugly in the 20mm holes of the MFT. They work really well and help stop lateral movement, probably due to their large diameter and the slightly rubbery plastic. I have not bothered to remove the bolt that was part of the thing - take a look at the photograph below. I have also put some of my wide domino 'sticks' in the picture.

On the DF 700 both the stepped height gauge and the incremental gauge at the side are calibrated to give the distance from the centre of the mortice. I think that it is an improvement as there is less chance of error with one measuring method.

I am using my Nikon D7000 for stills and video. It is a lovely camera and I bought it after many hours of research made much easier (just like you telling me about the Domino 500 in your videos) when I found a US guy called Ken Rockwell - he loves the D7000 and so I bought it. It is a bit spooky that the new Domino is called the D700 and my camera is the same with just one extra zero!

Let me know when you buy either the new Domino or the Nikon camera!!!!!!

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« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2011, 03:29 PM »

thank you for the nice videos, it may have helped me somewhere to take the "plunge". Saturday morning i was gonna start on some shed doors that had to be done quickly as usual and i was figuring out how to do the joinery when i thought "why don't i get the XL now, as i got a few similar jobs coming on. I phoned my dealer and went and got it just like that.
I took some oil recharges for the surfix and the 14mm cutter, and i got those for free.
Didn't take any domino's though, as it's an outdoor door set i would have needed sipo ones. Instead i spent about an hour making 20 meters of 14mm domino stock using afrormosia hardwood cutoffs from a gate. That saved me about €100 worth of domino's including my labor time!

So far i like it though it gets really heavy after a while.
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« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2011, 03:47 PM »

Good for you Tim,

I am not sure why you find it a bit heavy - I have pretty bad joints and had no problems at all. Well done for making your own doms - if they are not available from Festool then go for it.

Enjoy your new Festool.

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yeah great review well done just wonder weather someone can answer this is this going to be available in 110v in the UK
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« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2011, 03:02 PM »

Peter

Congrats on an excellent series of videos.  I am sitting on the fence ready to pull the trigger on the Dom.  My main use would be for internal doors but I am very much a traditionalist, mortise & tennon every time.  Do you think this would be strong enough for internal doors ?  I have a new Hammer spindle moulder on order & should get it just after Christmass so maybe I should just leave it & continue doing it the "proper" way ?  It is the speed factor that is appealing.

Thanks again, Woodguy.
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« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2011, 03:15 PM »

Peter

Congrats on an excellent series of videos.  I am sitting on the fence ready to pull the trigger on the Dom.  My main use would be for internal doors but I am very much a traditionalist, mortise & tennon every time.  Do you think this would be strong enough for internal doors ?  I have a new Hammer spindle moulder on order & should get it just after Christmass so maybe I should just leave it & continue doing it the "proper" way ?  It is the speed factor that is appealing.

Thanks again, Woodguy.


My opinion is the larger dominos are definitely strong enough for doors e.t.c., and if mortises had been easy enough to cut in the end of a rail for example, mortice and tennon joint would have evolved differently .

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I am using my Nikon D7000 for stills and video. It is a lovely camera and I bought it after many hours of research made much easier (just like you telling me about the Domino 500 in your videos) when I found a US guy called Ken Rockwell - he loves the D7000 and so I bought it. It is a bit spooky that the new Domino is called the D700 and my camera is the same with just one extra zero!

Let me know when you buy either the new Domino or the Nikon camera!!!!!!


Great video and review.. I just need to find a large enough project to make an excuse to buy one

I have the Canon 7D so will need to add a couple of zeros! keep up the great posts.. found the watch one very very funny, I think you could do an update on it along the upgrade lines (found it very funny the rush were in to dump their old systainers and switch to the t-locks Huh?)
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« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2011, 03:24 PM »

Peter

Congrats on an excellent series of videos.  I am sitting on the fence ready to pull the trigger on the Dom.  My main use would be for internal doors but I am very much a traditionalist, mortise & tennon every time.  Do you think this would be strong enough for internal doors ?  I have a new Hammer spindle moulder on order & should get it just after Christmass so maybe I should just leave it & continue doing it the "proper" way ?  It is the speed factor that is appealing.

Thanks again, Woodguy.
Dear Woodguy,

I too have a traditional background but even the traditions move with the times. Some of the things that we think are the bedrock of traditional woodwork are really an expression of what could be done with the tools and technology of the time. My father would rather spend an afternoon ripping timber lengths by hand with the most lovely rip saw which I cherish to this day. I would not dream of using it now unless it was the only way to tackle a job. Even a forensic expert could tell whether I used my TS55 or a hand saw once a job is completed. In many cases it comes down to what you feel about the job. There will always be areas where the old methods are still better as they allow the craftsman to be in touch with his work.

I would not hesitate to use the DF 700 on doors, both internal and external. You can still use your router door set (and panel raising) and then use the DF 700 for really strong joints. I seem to remember seeing a Festool video of just this process but I cannot remember where.

Thanks for the comments on the video.

Peter
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