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Hello Everyone

I have just put together Part 1 of my review of the new Domino DF 700. For now I will give you the YouTube link but when I have done Part 2 in a few days time I will try and put both parts direcly here on the FOG.

Be kind to me - this is my first video and not up to Paul Marcel's standards. I needed to get hold of the machine very quickly and the chaps at Toolfest got one to me in less than 12 hours - well done guys.

Here is the link.



Peter

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I have just finished Part 2 - video production and editing is time consuming but great fun. I am sorry that this one is a little long - I am sure that Steven Spielberg would have made a better job of the whole thing. I have one more part to come - now that is suspence, just like Alfred Hitchcock.

Here is the new link.



Thank you all for the encouragement.

Peter

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And now here is the concluding part of the review. I hope that you are not fed up with me yet!



Thanks for watching.

Peter
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RE: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2011, 06:13 AM »
Peter, that's a wonderful video. Can't wait till part 2.

Thanks.

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RE: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2011, 07:41 AM »
Hi Peter

very polished video indeed, as good as any festool video. all you need is someone on the camera to zoom in when needed.

My favorite part... the very British laugh at the end.

looking forward to the next instalment
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RE: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2011, 07:55 AM »
Great review Peter keep the videos coming.

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RE: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2011, 08:37 AM »
Peter as others have said - excellent review.

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« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2011, 05:13 PM »
You did a marvelous job on the video.  Looking forward to some more.  [big grin]
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RE: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2011, 06:25 PM »
Peter, great job and welcome to the video club! (not referring to me in that)

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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2011, 06:54 PM »
Peter,

Awesome job -- thanks for putting this together.  Cannot wait for it to be released over here...looking forward to part 2.

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RE: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2011, 07:15 PM »
Great video Peter.  I think I'm in trouble - already figuring out where to find the money and I haven't even seen it cut yet...

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« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2011, 08:57 PM »
 [smile] Excellent video, thanks for taking the time to do it//Venk
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RE: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2011, 10:59 PM »
Well done, Peter.  You seem very natural in front of the camera.  Looking forward to part two.

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RE: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2011, 02:57 PM »
Great video Peter.

Thank you very much for sharing it.
I also look forward to part 2.

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RE: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2011, 05:17 PM »
To everyone who has commented above...

Thank you so much, gosh - I am so pleased that the first video worked out ok. I am nearly there on the second part but have to complete a written review of the Domino 700 for the UK magazine 'The Woodworker' first. Please hang on for a little bit longer.

I have now had a serious play with the new machine - it is fabulous. It is very accurate, easy and safe to use and opens up so many new avenues for handheld production work.

More will come. Thanks again. After all of the comments above I feel really great.

Peter

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RE: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2011, 05:08 AM »
Nicely done, Peter!  'cept you left that hanger where we have to wait for part deux to see it in action!

Nice looking system.  I watched half of it the night you posted it, but was working until 4am on a deadline so I never finished it.  Got it today.

What's the first project with it? Have something already setup or was the rush on the Domino for the magazine review?

I may mute this thread so I don't decide to buy one :)
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RE: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2011, 01:04 AM »
Nicely done, Peter!  'cept you left that hanger where we have to wait for part deux to see it in action!

Nice looking system.  I watched half of it the night you posted it, but was working until 4am on a deadline so I never finished it.  Got it today.

What's the first project with it? Have something already setup or was the rush on the Domino for the magazine review?

I may mute this thread so I don't decide to buy one :)

Paul,

You are my hero - thanks to your brilliant video review of the Domino 500 I went out and bought one. Now it is your turn to put your hand in your pocket!

I will describe my bench project to the FOG in due course. The DF 700 review mentions it in several places.

Peter

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RE: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2011, 02:03 PM »
Oh, the bench is the pressing project  [embarassed]  ha ha, I assumed you were gonna use it for your bench, but some other client project was pressing.  Well, you are your own most important client so have fun!  mea culpa...  I'm still gonna mute this thread though  [tongue]
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RE: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2011, 12:35 AM »
Hi Paul and Everyone

As you can see the third and final part is now available up above.

In my conclusions I mention the cost of the Domino DF 700. Here in the UK it comes in at £924 and so is not cheap. But, a top of the range Lamello biscuit jointer (the TOP 21) is about £885. I really wish I had mentioned that I have not only sold my staionary morticing machine but also my top of the range Lamello - the latter having been bought about 12 years ago. Now I believe that the new Domino is far more capable than the Lamello and is only £50 more. If one takes into account the price of a reasonable staionary morticer and the Lamello you can get both the Domino DF 500 and the Domino DF 700 together for the same price.

It was Paul Marcel's video that persuaded me to get the DF 500. I hope that I can now help you come to terms with the fact that you really do need a DF 700 and buying makes such good sense. If you have £1000 in the bank the interest rate is below inflation so your money is losing value all the time. Now is the time to invest in something that you know you want and will make you feel good every time that you use it.

For UK members, keep an eye out for The Woodworker magazine as my written review of the new Domino will be in there soon followed by several other bits of Festool kit.

I am now going to give my workshop a makeover and try and get my new bench finished.

Thank you for taking an interest in my videos.

Peter


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RE: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2011, 06:11 AM »
Peter how come u have 10 fingers ? [scared] [poke]
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« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2011, 07:30 AM »
Thanks Peter, Part 3 is my favourite.


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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2011, 08:35 AM »
Peter, thanks for the great review videos of the XL. Well done.  [thumbs up]

It's a phenomenal tool and I really like the improvements over the original design. Now I just need a project to use it on...  [scratch chin]

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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2011, 10:47 AM »
Peter, thanks for the great review videos of the XL. Well done.  [thumbs up]

It's a phenomenal tool and I really like the improvements over the original design. Now I just need a project to use it on...  [scratch chin]

Shane,

Many thanks. I am continuing to make my new bench as I have a 2 day break before other tasks hit me. I have just used my Domino DF 500 to put in some 5x30mm dominos - they seem so tiny after so many days using the DF 700. I am sure that a project will come along soon enough - if not let me telephone someone you love and suggest that a new garden bench is needed!

Peter
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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2011, 02:54 AM »
Caught up on this thread now that part 3 is up... watched part 2 again cuz I watched it, uhm, at work, uhm, while doing, uhm, work...  [embarassed]

Love the 1080P HD; looks great on a 27" monitor!
I'm curious what those black bumpers were on your MFT.  Look simple enough, but also pretty handy if they could stop some lateral motion.

So the plastic piece up near the fence for setting the height now lists the fence-to-center-of-mortise distance?  On the DF-500, the scale on the fence shows that, but the 'quick set' steps show the overall stock thickness.  I'd prefer it show the height (in a way like positive stops).  Sounds like they improved that on the Domizilla.

Too bad you didn't have this for that barn; I could imagine the hassle of taking long stock to a mortising machine.  And the time.  Build another one with the 700 for comparison!

'Naughty words' is far too gentle a description of what I say when I screw up or when the glue seizes in my 104ºF garage in seconds.

Nice video series; well done!  Rats, I forgot to mute the thread...  [unsure]
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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2011, 07:02 AM »
Hi Paul

The black dog like things are what remains of a pair of car cycle carriers and were the tightenening screw for the clamp that held the bike in place. The black part is soft-ish plastic and it has a slightly tapered collar that fits snugly in the 20mm holes of the MFT. They work really well and help stop lateral movement, probably due to their large diameter and the slightly rubbery plastic. I have not bothered to remove the bolt that was part of the thing - take a look at the photograph below. I have also put some of my wide domino 'sticks' in the picture.

On the DF 700 both the stepped height gauge and the incremental gauge at the side are calibrated to give the distance from the centre of the mortice. I think that it is an improvement as there is less chance of error with one measuring method.

I am using my Nikon D7000 for stills and video. It is a lovely camera and I bought it after many hours of research made much easier (just like you telling me about the Domino 500 in your videos) when I found a US guy called Ken Rockwell - he loves the D7000 and so I bought it. It is a bit spooky that the new Domino is called the D700 and my camera is the same with just one extra zero!

Let me know when you buy either the new Domino or the Nikon camera!!!!!!

Peter
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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2011, 02:29 PM »
thank you for the nice videos, it may have helped me somewhere to take the "plunge". Saturday morning i was gonna start on some shed doors that had to be done quickly as usual and i was figuring out how to do the joinery when i thought "why don't i get the XL now, as i got a few similar jobs coming on. I phoned my dealer and went and got it just like that.
I took some oil recharges for the surfix and the 14mm cutter, and i got those for free.
Didn't take any domino's though, as it's an outdoor door set i would have needed sipo ones. Instead i spent about an hour making 20 meters of 14mm domino stock using afrormosia hardwood cutoffs from a gate. That saved me about €100 worth of domino's including my labor time!

So far i like it though it gets really heavy after a while.
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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2011, 02:47 PM »
Good for you Tim,

I am not sure why you find it a bit heavy - I have pretty bad joints and had no problems at all. Well done for making your own doms - if they are not available from Festool then go for it.

Enjoy your new Festool.

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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2011, 01:36 PM »
yeah great review well done just wonder weather someone can answer this is this going to be available in 110v in the UK

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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2011, 02:02 PM »
Peter

Congrats on an excellent series of videos.  I am sitting on the fence ready to pull the trigger on the Dom.  My main use would be for internal doors but I am very much a traditionalist, mortise & tennon every time.  Do you think this would be strong enough for internal doors ?  I have a new Hammer spindle moulder on order & should get it just after Christmass so maybe I should just leave it & continue doing it the "proper" way ?  It is the speed factor that is appealing.

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« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2011, 02:15 PM »
Peter

Congrats on an excellent series of videos.  I am sitting on the fence ready to pull the trigger on the Dom.  My main use would be for internal doors but I am very much a traditionalist, mortise & tennon every time.  Do you think this would be strong enough for internal doors ?  I have a new Hammer spindle moulder on order & should get it just after Christmass so maybe I should just leave it & continue doing it the "proper" way ?  It is the speed factor that is appealing.

Thanks again, Woodguy.


My opinion is the larger dominos are definitely strong enough for doors e.t.c., and if mortises had been easy enough to cut in the end of a rail for example, mortice and tennon joint would have evolved differently .


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« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2011, 02:22 PM »

I am using my Nikon D7000 for stills and video. It is a lovely camera and I bought it after many hours of research made much easier (just like you telling me about the Domino 500 in your videos) when I found a US guy called Ken Rockwell - he loves the D7000 and so I bought it. It is a bit spooky that the new Domino is called the D700 and my camera is the same with just one extra zero!

Let me know when you buy either the new Domino or the Nikon camera!!!!!!


Great video and review.. I just need to find a large enough project to make an excuse to buy one

I have the Canon 7D so will need to add a couple of zeros! keep up the great posts.. found the watch one very very funny, I think you could do an update on it along the upgrade lines (found it very funny the rush were in to dump their old systainers and switch to the t-locks ???)

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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2011, 02:24 PM »
Peter

Congrats on an excellent series of videos.  I am sitting on the fence ready to pull the trigger on the Dom.  My main use would be for internal doors but I am very much a traditionalist, mortise & tennon every time.  Do you think this would be strong enough for internal doors ?  I have a new Hammer spindle moulder on order & should get it just after Christmass so maybe I should just leave it & continue doing it the "proper" way ?  It is the speed factor that is appealing.

Thanks again, Woodguy.
Dear Woodguy,

I too have a traditional background but even the traditions move with the times. Some of the things that we think are the bedrock of traditional woodwork are really an expression of what could be done with the tools and technology of the time. My father would rather spend an afternoon ripping timber lengths by hand with the most lovely rip saw which I cherish to this day. I would not dream of using it now unless it was the only way to tackle a job. Even a forensic expert could tell whether I used my TS55 or a hand saw once a job is completed. In many cases it comes down to what you feel about the job. There will always be areas where the old methods are still better as they allow the craftsman to be in touch with his work.

I would not hesitate to use the DF 700 on doors, both internal and external. You can still use your router door set (and panel raising) and then use the DF 700 for really strong joints. I seem to remember seeing a Festool video of just this process but I cannot remember where.

Thanks for the comments on the video.

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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #30 on: November 16, 2011, 02:49 PM »
I wasn't convinced that the 700 could make strong enough joints until i got it, on some pressure threated pine outdoor doors i made, i used two 14x70 dominos per joint, and believe me it take a mallet to get them in all the way and once they are in there is no getting them out again. From that moment on i was convinced. The joints may have less glue surface than traditional ones, but they are perfect. Which honestly is an art to achieve with traditional joinery.

But what i would want is that festool provides us with some kind of documents or info about what they tested it on. Because i am sure they tested and perfected it for years. It would be handy to have their knowledge and experience to avoid having to go through the trial and error phase ourselves.
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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #31 on: November 16, 2011, 04:34 PM »
Timtool, you make a good point.  Festool must have testing data & it would be nice to see the results.

Well I have decided to go for the complete set but it will be 2 weeks before my dealer can get it.  Will report back when I've tried it.  I have 5 internal doors to make just now so I will try to delay them until I get it.  The time saving on these doors should just about pay for it.

Peter, thanks for your reply.

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« Reply #32 on: November 16, 2011, 07:29 PM »
Most excellent video.

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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2011, 09:02 AM »
Timtool, you make a good point.  Festool must have testing data & it would be nice to see the results.

Well I have decided to go for the complete set but it will be 2 weeks before my dealer can get it.  Will report back when I've tried it.  I have 5 internal doors to make just now so I will try to delay them until I get it.  The time saving on these doors should just about pay for it.

Peter, thanks for your reply.

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I think you will be pleased with your purchase, not only the time saving but the saving in materials about 3m of rail stock de pending on the style of door ( assuming 100mm stiles) on 5 doors.


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« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2011, 09:34 AM »
Great review!
Not sure I will ever buy but after watching this I sure know what it can do.
Thanks Peter.
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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #35 on: November 17, 2011, 04:30 PM »
Hi Peter
Just watched all three videos well done sir
Points that have been raised so far: about traditional mortise and tenon joints. I think if our friends Mr Chippingdale & Mr Sheriton would have adored the kit we have now and been first in the que, when the next new must have came out.

For the professional woodworker this new DF700 is a must have. I just need the rite project to justify the cost of this latest must have.
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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #36 on: November 18, 2011, 01:16 AM »
Hi Peter
Just watched all three videos well done sir
Points that have been raised so far: about traditional mortise and tenon joints. I think if our friends Mr Chippingdale & Mr Sheriton would have adored the kit we have now and been first in the que, when the next new must have came out.

For the professional woodworker this new DF700 is a must have. I just need the rite project to justify the cost of this latest must have.
Meatman

Cheers Meatman

Fingers crossed that someone will ask you to do some big doors or a barn!! You could always run an ad in your local paper.

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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #37 on: November 18, 2011, 03:39 AM »
Peter

Well having watched your video's and your very detailed and informative precise of the Domino XL700, I have now sold my soul to the devil!!

Being a traditional joiner I have a Multico tenoner and a Sedgwick morticer and use them to create the usual mortice and tenon joinery, but thanks to you they are "dead men walking", Ebay listed, and an order placed for the Domino XL!!! [scared] [scared]

I should also give credit to our erstwhile colleague, Woodguy, who is also ordering one. If he, being a "thrifty Scot", is prepared to spend that amount of money they must be good! [laughing] [laughing]

Thanks again for the videos reviews, and Festool should look to retain your services, you have no doubt been responsible for an increase in their sales figures. 

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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #38 on: November 18, 2011, 04:17 AM »
Dear Guy

Many thanks.

I am so pleased that you have joined the 'DF 700 club' - you will not regret it. In the old days I had so many single purpose dedicated machines that, even though they were from the same manufacturer, shared no interchangeable parts or were in any way part of an 'integrated' approach. I have sold all but my bandsaw and planer/thicknesser and bought Festool kit. I am able to do the same tasks as before but more accurately, more quickly and with much more job satisfaction. I have re-discovered the pleasure of really accurate cuts and perfect joints made in a clean and almost dust free workshop.

I know that Festool in Germany have a YouTube channel. I would be delighted to provide something like that for the English speaking world.

Thanks again and enjoy your lovely new Festool tool.

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« Reply #39 on: November 18, 2011, 11:37 AM »
Oy Guy, what do you mean "thrifty scot"  [blink]

It was you that told me that Shrouds don't have pockets  [tongue] ::)
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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #40 on: November 20, 2011, 08:41 AM »
peter anyone know is this going to be available in 110volt in the UK

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« Reply #41 on: November 22, 2011, 03:00 AM »
peter anyone know is this going to be available in 110volt in the UK

Hi James

I have just contacted my supplier, Toolfest of Woking, and Warren has been very kindly doing some checking for me. It appears that it will be early next year for the 110v version. If Festool UK have any more accurate information I am sure that they will update this thread.

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« Reply #42 on: November 22, 2011, 07:10 AM »
hi peter thankyou very much for the reply i had looked at the festool site but couldn't find any information on it, the place i had been buying all the festool products from that i own are no longer in business so i need to find a new dealer, the one thing that >:( annoys me is that festool bring out a product and don't allways seem to be ready for the demand the carvex was a disaster just one of the many. festool really need to address this in my opinion  sorry if this seems like a rant [embarassed]  guess i need to be more patient thanks again peter and thank warren for me

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« Reply #43 on: November 22, 2011, 10:24 AM »
Typically, Festool begin their production runs with 230V tools, before switching to 110v later on. This is one reason why North America tends to get their products after Europe. Presumably you will see a 110v version around the time North America will, i.e mid-2012.


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« Reply #44 on: November 23, 2011, 12:54 AM »
Typically, Festool begin their production runs with 230V tools, before switching to 110v later on. This is one reason why North America tends to get their products after Europe. Presumably you will see a 110v version around the time North America will, i.e mid-2012.
Hi Richard

Europe uses 220-240volts and is a pretty big market so it is logical for any European company to start with the 'home' market. Also, Festool make all of their own motors and making 110 volt versions with identical characteristics that then need to fit inside the same cavity is not always easy.

I very nearly bought a Bosch sliding compound saw (the newest one). It had been released in North America but not in Europe. I am so glad that it was not immediately available as I then took a look at Festool and bought my Kapex 120 - I have never looked back.

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« Reply #45 on: November 23, 2011, 10:57 AM »
Peter that's right. It's one reason I like to go home to see what's on its way over here!

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« Reply #46 on: November 23, 2011, 01:49 PM »
Typically, Festool begin their production runs with 230V tools, before switching to 110v later on. This is one reason why North America tends to get their products after Europe. Presumably you will see a 110v version around the time North America will, i.e mid-2012.
Hi Richard

Europe uses 220-240volts and is a pretty big market so it is logical for any European company to start with the 'home' market. Also, Festool make all of their own motors and making 110 volt versions with identical characteristics that then need to fit inside the same cavity is not always easy.

I very nearly bought a Bosch sliding compound saw (the newest one). It had been released in North America but not in Europe. I am so glad that it was not immediately available as I then took a look at Festool and bought my Kapex 120 - I have never looked back.

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Peter the motor housing sizes would be worked out at the design stage not backward engineered
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« Reply #47 on: November 23, 2011, 01:56 PM »
Dear Festoolfootstool

You are right, of course, but 110volts still presents some challenges.

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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #48 on: November 23, 2011, 05:48 PM »
this 220v  v 110v confuses me. being that in europe all site tools are usually 110v. these site and pro shop users are where festools are aimed at. you would expect that they would make their tools available to them first and then to the domestic users.
maybe its so that any glitchs are ironed out before the heavy users get them.
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« Reply #49 on: November 23, 2011, 06:07 PM »
Europe uses 220-240volts and is a pretty big market so it is logical for any European company to start with the 'home' market.

We in NA think we should come first....always! [big grin] [tongue]

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« Reply #50 on: November 24, 2011, 12:41 AM »
Hi Alan

You make a good point but I wonder whether 110 volts for site work is just something that we do in our left-hand corner of Europe. Do the Germans, Dutch and French have different rules?

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« Reply #51 on: November 24, 2011, 01:25 AM »
Never seen 110v here anywhere.

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« Reply #52 on: November 24, 2011, 05:48 PM »
o i thought that 110v thing was an eu health and safety irective. my bad sorry.
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« Reply #53 on: November 24, 2011, 07:22 PM »
eu health and safety irective.

...then again it could be an eu irective.

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« Reply #54 on: November 25, 2011, 04:41 AM »
YEEHAH!!!

My XL 700 has arrived and is going to get to work on some big gates and also some windows and doors.

Had a little play , erm I mean product evaluation process, [embarassed], last night and yup it is everything I had hoped for.

It's the absolute dogs, thank you festool design team and engineers [thumbs up] [thumbs up]
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« Reply #55 on: November 25, 2011, 05:35 AM »
110v is only used in te UK, mainland Europe is all 220v. It's really those crazy Brits again, always wanting to do things differently just to be different.  [smile]
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« Reply #56 on: November 25, 2011, 09:56 AM »
Alex, you are so right.  I hate 110v tools & don't own any.
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« Reply #57 on: November 25, 2011, 10:12 AM »
110v is only used in te UK, mainland Europe is all 220v. It's really those crazy Brits again, always wanting to do things differently just to be different.  [smile]

A bit like not wanting to join the euro then..


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« Reply #58 on: November 25, 2011, 11:16 AM »
110v is only used in te UK, mainland Europe is all 220v. It's really those crazy Brits again, always wanting to do things differently just to be different.  [smile]

A bit like not wanting to join the euro then..

Jury is still out on that one.
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« Reply #59 on: November 25, 2011, 01:07 PM »
Ohhhh, that was a good one Richard  ;D
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« Reply #60 on: November 28, 2011, 12:55 PM »
Hello Everyone

How many of you have now bought the DF 700? Did you get both systainers with the dominos? Most important of all, what do you think of your new tool?

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« Reply #61 on: November 29, 2011, 12:34 PM »
Still waiting, hoping to get my complete set end of this week.
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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #62 on: November 29, 2011, 12:47 PM »
Peter

Had mine a few days now and yeah, really really pleased with it. I am using on a couple of joinery projects at the moment and may post the results later.

Seriously good machine and a God send from an efficiency point of view.

I got both Domino systainers, with the cutters, and will see which Domino's are the mainstay, dependant upon each particular application.

At first glance it would appear buying the 750mm lengths will be more cost effective to replenish stocks.

   
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« Reply #63 on: November 29, 2011, 01:48 PM »
High Woodguy,

Lets hope your dealer is reading this and is 'on the case'. If you have any problems finding a DF700 just let me know - I know a guy who can help!

Hello Guy,

Congratulations for getting your new machine - the DF700 is an absolute dream and very easy to use. Even with the DF500 I made up my own domino lengths so that I could have sizes not sold by Festool. Post a picture of your first big DF700 project when you can.

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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #64 on: November 30, 2011, 02:13 PM »
Hi Peter

I Picked up my DF700 with both Domino Systainer assortments today walked into my dealers at 4:50 by 5:15 we were all done no waiting for days or weeks. No order just off the shelf. [smile]

Haven't played with it yet though [sad]
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« Reply #65 on: November 30, 2011, 04:35 PM »
Dear Meatman

Well done - you must have more Festool kit than anyone that I know. Enjoy the DF700 - watch your fingers if you are used to reacting your wood from the back - this machine can go deep!

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« Reply #66 on: November 30, 2011, 06:00 PM »
i know my dealer has one in stock because i was drooling over it.usually they have to order most of the tools i want . (as im picky ) i actually saw it before he did. i explained to basic design differences to him.
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« Reply #67 on: December 11, 2011, 04:26 AM »
Hello Everyone

Just to let you know that my written review of the DF 700 is in the January copy of The Woodworker which goes on sale in the shops on 16 December but subscribers will get it a little earlier.

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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #68 on: December 11, 2011, 05:31 AM »
here are pics of my second and third domino XL projects, the first one i didn't take pics of!

a cedar door for a sauna:



and a cedar gate for a carport:



both have 2 (14x140mm) dominos per joint, homemade with afrormosia left overs (african hardwood that doesn't rot)

i got the XL without the separate domino case, i asked to get the 14mm cutter for free and got it as an accessory. it's only 5% of the domino value. As much as i find the domino box for the DF500 to be indispensable, for the XL it seems way more practical to buy or make your own domino stock as long as possible and cut to size for each project to minimize waste.
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« Reply #69 on: December 11, 2011, 06:40 AM »
Dear Timtool

You have made a superb job of the doors and gates. What a good idea it is to make Afromosia dominos.

I used to live in Mons - are you anywhere near there?

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« Reply #70 on: December 11, 2011, 03:01 PM »
here are pics of my second and third domino XL projects, the first one i didn't take pics of!

a cedar door for a sauna:
Beautiful! Is there glass going to be put in the top panels?
Tim

and a cedar gate for a carport:

Again, beautiful. Simple but elegant. What do they finish these doors with?
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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #71 on: December 11, 2011, 04:12 PM »
Not as "pretty" as Timtools doors, but this a 3.3m Raised Helve Field Gate that is going out tomorrow where the Domino XL was used as a hand held slot morticer.

Due to the weight and size of this gate (Idigbo) I defered to tradition and all the rails are through tenoned and dowel pegged into the end posts.

45025-0

The mid stiles and supports are all dominoed and glued with the XL.

Using the XL as a slot morticer was a breeze, no lugging large lumps of timber to and fro from the stationary Sedgwick and sweeping up loads of chippings and dust and the mortices were as clean and precise as with the Domino 500.

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« Reply #72 on: December 11, 2011, 04:25 PM »

Beautiful! Is there glass going to be put in the top panels?
Tim
....
Again, beautiful. Simple but elegant. What do they finish these doors with?
Tim


I do this type of work for another woodworker when his guys are too busy or not competent enough, i like that kind of work, he just gives me the dimensions and wood and i build it, no hassle or fuss involved dealing with customers, measuring or fitting.
The door will contain glass, but the customer was going to fit it.
And after taking pics i spray painted the gate with grey-colored water based oil.

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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #73 on: December 11, 2011, 05:06 PM »
Nice gate ,Guy [smile]

See you have moved in to the new part of the workshop. Have you still got the mini traction engine in there or have you compleated the display stand for it ?

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« Reply #74 on: December 11, 2011, 06:35 PM »
Talking of English gates, this is one of my favourite episodes of the Woodwright's Shop, in which he builds a Sussex field gate.

http://www.pbs.org/woodwrightsshop/video/3000/3012.html


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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #75 on: December 12, 2011, 12:07 AM »
Wouldn't you want to use the domino to make the mortise first, then run the router set?  Or does that not matter (in terms of getting the domino to register flush to the work piece and potentially chip it)?

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« Reply #76 on: December 12, 2011, 02:18 AM »
Guy

I have just seen your 5 bar gate - brilliant. I am sure that your customer will be delighted. I have not used Idigbo - what is it like to work with?

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« Reply #77 on: December 12, 2011, 11:45 AM »
Wouldn't you want to use the domino to make the mortise first, then run the router set?  Or does that not matter (in terms of getting the domino to register flush to the work piece and potentially chip it)?

Yeah thats what I did, 25mm through tenons in a 75mm stile, so set the 14mm cutter at the appropriate hieght, cut the first side of the mortice, flipped over and cut the other side.

Then using a rebate block on spindle moulder (shaper) trimmed the tenon shoulders and it fit like a glove.

Nice gate ,Guy [smile]

See you have moved in to the new part of the workshop. Have you still got the mini traction engine in there or have you compleated the display stand for it ?

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Thanks John!  [big grin] Traction Engine still here will be a January project once I can get the aluminium box section frame made.

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I have just seen your 5 bar gate - brilliant. I am sure that your customer will be delighted. I have not used Idigbo - what is it like to work with?

Peter

Thank you Peter,

Idigbo is a durable West African Hardwood, but can be variable in quality. Idigbo covers a number of sub species, my hardwood supplier only stocks Idigbo Emeri which I have found to be the best. Other sub species can have a lot of interlocked grain and consequent tear out issues.
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« Reply #78 on: December 12, 2011, 01:24 PM »
Quality gate Guy.  Never worked with that wood either.  Is it similar to Iroko ?  What are some of the other sub species called ?

Oh, what's with the 4 "f" clamps on the bottom rail ? Fixing a wee boo boo  [poke];D

Timtool, loving the look of that Cedar.  Is it Western Red Cedar ?
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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #79 on: December 12, 2011, 01:31 PM »
Quality gate Guy.  Never worked with that wood either.  Is it similar to Iroko ?  What are some of the other sub species called ?

Oh, what's with the 4 "f" clamps on the bottom rail ? Fixing a wee boo boo  [poke];D

Timtool, loving the look of that Cedar.  Is it Western Red Cedar ?

Alan its not as hard as Iroko, I have attached a link to Sykes Timber which gives the details of Idigbo. There are a multitude of subspecies but the other main one is Frameri Idigbo but that is a "pig" for tearout.

http://www.sykestimber.co.uk/timber/idigbo-emeri.html

The F clamps are holding an additional base rail for the ram of an automated system, dont suppose such technology and finesse has reached the Northern wilderness yet!!! [poke]  ;D
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« Reply #80 on: December 12, 2011, 02:30 PM »
Hi Guy
love the gate I have used lots of Idigbo to make lots of Stable doors for an old client. I agree about all the pitfalls but on a positive note it is a very cost effective timber to use.
One question about the field gate, why dose the top rail not taper from 5" to 4"
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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #81 on: December 12, 2011, 05:52 PM »
Not as "pretty" as Timtools doors, but this a 3.3m Raised Helve Field Gate that is going out tomorrow where the Domino XL was used as a hand held slot morticer.

Nice gate. I like gates and grids.
I like the Raised Helve design. The little curve (like a shepherds staff) and tear drop at the top (traditional) is a nice touch.
Is it designed that way to keep water (rain) soaking into the end grain?
Tim

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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #82 on: January 24, 2012, 01:01 PM »
Hi Everyone

I used the DF 700 to do the joints on the pedestal legs of my new bench. I said in the video that I would show you the finished creation...

It has a main vice and tail vice by Veritas - they are really good and I would not hesitate to recommend them. Almost everything else is made from either scraps from around the workshop or offcuts from my local supplier, Timbersource of Frome. I had to spend a total of £230 on everything, including the vices, some 4x2 timber and the large iroko top (which was ex-display from a kitchen showroom).

I hope that everyone with a DF 700 is happy with their purchase.

Peter

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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #83 on: January 26, 2012, 04:10 AM »
The bench turned out superb!  Really like the addition of the outlets to the benchtop.  I really appreciated the review - of course, it made me drool a little (ok, a lot), but I think the DF500 will be enough for me and my pocketbook.

Now, do all Brits dress up all fancy for the shop, or is it just you?   [tongue]
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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #84 on: January 26, 2012, 05:29 AM »
Thank you - the bench turned out much better than I thought it would and so I am thinking of selling it now - but the buyer would have to collect.

I actually used both the DF 700 and the DF 500 on the bench build and, to be honest, the DF 700 on a project like this was total overkill. The DF 500 is a superb all rounder and, used correctly, can be used in some quite demanding designs. However, if you want to tackle large projects, like some that have been described above, then the DF 700 really comes into its own. Maybe one day you can have both!

You would be amazed what some of us wear in our workshops but in this case I was doing a shoot for a main headline photograph for a UK magazine and so I thought that I should look tidy (and breath in a little).

Thanks.

Peter

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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #85 on: March 27, 2012, 10:28 PM »
I was really trying hard (and doing a good job) of completely ignoring the Domino XL because, well, I don't think I need one and don't want to believe otherwise.

But, alas, I have failed.

Great videos, Peter.  That was a great introduction.  I'm interested in seeing it for myself and trying it out.
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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #86 on: March 28, 2012, 03:43 AM »
Excellent review of the D700 Peter.

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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #87 on: March 28, 2012, 09:26 AM »
Just a warning Peter ... if my wife uses extreme interrogation techniques, I won't be able to hold back. Both yourself and Paul Marcel will be named as people that drove me down the path of Festool extremism.

In some ways it's a shame ... but you must be aware that creating addictive tool reviews has it's consequences. You're not completely innocent in your actions.

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On the other hand, I've got away with it so far - eh? What else do you think is really cool?

Kev.  [smile]


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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #88 on: March 28, 2012, 11:05 AM »
Hi Kev

Thanks for the encouragement.

I started moving over to Festool about a year ago and have a relatively small array of equipment. The dominos are brilliant but then so is my Kapex, Rotex 90, MFT3, TS 55 and all the little accessories that work so well together. My favourite (at the moment) is the OF2200 router. despite its size, I find it really easy to control and I am sure that its mass and power are part of the secret to its stability. My review is on YouTube and here on the FOG of course. The unsung hero that many of us forget is the dust extractor - I have the CTL26 and I have to say that my satisfaction with so many of the Festool tools owes a lot to the superb performance of the CTL 26 and the way that tool and extractor are so cleverly integrated by the Festool designers/engineers.

I have not done video reviews of either my Rotex 90 or my MFT3 - mainly because the video reviews done by Paul Marcel are so good. I may do something there if I can put some 'English' on it (ie to continue where Paul left off or look at them from a different perspective). The Rotex 90 is amazing and so quick to change from one task setup to another. I do a lot of fine work (small boxes and so on) and the RO90 is a dream.

I really hesitated when buying the MFT3 but now could not do without it. My old Radial Arm Saw needed replacement and that was going to be well over £1300 (thats probably about $7 Australian by now). By buying the MFT3 and TS55 saw I have just about replaced my RAS given that I already had bought the Kapex. I can now cut 700mm kitchen worktop cleanly which was impossible with the RAS - and my setup is portable with no loss of accuracy or flexibility.

The TS55 is a must have saw but I want to put mine into a CMS unit. Once there it will stay in that configuration and so I may just get a TS55R for rail sawing and to use with the MFT3. Now that the uninformed banter has died down and we have been able to have some hands-on with the new saw I think that it is a positive step forward with loads of value added fetaures, a number of improvements and Festool have kept the price the same.

Next on my list is the replacement of all of my Hitachi rechargeable drill/drivers. They all have dodgy batteries and so I hope to be able to do a gradual changeover in the next few months. Lithium Ion batteries are essential for rechargeable tools as the old Nicad and Nickel Metal Hydride tend to fall over too soon.

Thanks again.

Peter
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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #89 on: May 14, 2015, 04:17 AM »
here are pics of my second and third domino XL projects, the first one i didn't take pics of!
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and a cedar gate for a carport:



both have 2 (14x140mm) dominos per joint, homemade with afrormosia left overs (african hardwood that doesn't rot)
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^I like it.^
How are the dominos oriented in the angled pieces?

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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #90 on: May 14, 2015, 04:53 AM »
When I made this Gate:



I laid it out dry to mark then cut the brace to size. Then I marked the domino locations which went at right angles to the butting faces between the brace and the two uprights.

Peter

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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #91 on: May 14, 2015, 05:07 AM »
Cheers Peter & Good morning.

I like it... it has a bit of a Greek or Egyptian look to it with the 'curled over' top part.
Is that side the latch side or the hinge side?
Looks like the small side convieniently was nestled up in the same piece of wood as the curled-over side emerged from(?).

And is it about 3" thick on the square side?
I am beginning to think that my idea of using 2"x2"s might be a bit undersized for a large gate?
But I am gathering some insight, and appreciated the DX-700 videos from the beginning of the thread.

Randal

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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #92 on: May 14, 2015, 05:46 AM »
Hi Randal

It was too long ago to remember how the various bits of wood were cut but there is a chance that the two uprights were part of the same piece. Yes it is about 3" thick. For a traditional 5 bar gate you do need quite substantial pieces and 2" thick would not give you the strength or the room for the various components of the gate.

The latch side is the smaller piece. If you send me your email address via PM I will forward the plans to you free of charge.

I think that the gate expert here on the FOG is Guy Ashley.

Peter

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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #93 on: October 25, 2016, 11:22 AM »
woo hoo! took delivery of the domino 700 a few hours ago.
decision to go for it was partly based upon watching these tube movies earlier in the year.
i have wrestled with the notion of paying out so much money for a tool that essentially cuts holes...
nobody in their right mind would heft out such a large sum of money for a hole cutter then slate it.
so i guess that irrespective of what happens from here on in, this awesome piece of craftmanship will be loved no matter what.
"it's gotta be good because it's so expensive!"
i have loads of projects to do, from building a new kitchen and worktops, through refurbing 100 year old sash windows and frames to making over 20 doors for the house. after that i am looking to build a new property for myself and one for my geese, so the domino is going to see several years of hard graft.
after which i shall no doubt find more things to do with it.
i am also chewing over how i might use it for creating sculptures too. i have a couple of ideas using completely different methods...
anyhoo, thanks for posting these great videos, they have helped to lighten my pocket somewhat.

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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #94 on: October 25, 2016, 12:57 PM »
woo hoo! took delivery of the domino 700 a few hours ago.
decision to go for it was partly based upon watching these tube movies earlier in the year.
i have wrestled with the notion of paying out so much money for a tool that essentially cuts holes...
nobody in their right mind would heft out such a large sum of money for a hole cutter then slate it.
so i guess that irrespective of what happens from here on in, this awesome piece of craftmanship will be loved no matter what.
"it's gotta be good because it's so expensive!"
i have loads of projects to do, from building a new kitchen and worktops, through refurbing 100 year old sash windows and frames to making over 20 doors for the house. after that i am looking to build a new property for myself and one for my geese, so the domino is going to see several years of hard graft.
after which i shall no doubt find more things to do with it.
i am also chewing over how i might use it for creating sculptures too. i have a couple of ideas using completely different methods...
anyhoo, thanks for posting these great videos, they have helped to lighten my pocket somewhat.

Well bumped Bump !

You might want to look at the Domino connector system - certainly useful for worktops and also beds and other furniture.

Welcome to the FOG.

Peter

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Re: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #95 on: October 26, 2016, 02:32 PM »
woo hoo! took delivery of the domino 700 a few hours ago.
decision to go for it was partly based upon watching these tube movies earlier in the year.
i have wrestled with the notion of paying out so much money for a tool that essentially cuts holes...
nobody in their right mind would heft out such a large sum of money for a hole cutter then slate it.
so i guess that irrespective of what happens from here on in, this awesome piece of craftmanship will be loved no matter what.
"it's gotta be good because it's so expensive!"
i have loads of projects to do, from building a new kitchen and worktops, through refurbing 100 year old sash windows and frames to making over 20 doors for the house. after that i am looking to build a new property for myself and one for my geese, so the domino is going to see several years of hard graft.
after which i shall no doubt find more things to do with it.
i am also chewing over how i might use it for creating sculptures too. i have a couple of ideas using completely different methods...
anyhoo, thanks for posting these great videos, they have helped to lighten my pocket somewhat.

Well bumped Bump !

You might want to look at the Domino connector system - certainly useful for worktops and also beds and other furniture.

Welcome to the FOG.

Peter


thank you for the welcome peter,
oddly enough i had a pack of them inside the container when i opened it.
it didn't say it came with them.
anyhoo, i took a look at them and figured they would be useful for the cedar bed my daughter wants me to build her next year and possibly for assembling my cedar worktops for the kitchen. they are made from just over 2 inch thick cedar but it's cut from a single tree, so no joins or glued bits, it's all one piece. it's being built as an "L" shape into the room with a tree stump as the legs on one end.
the wood has been weighted and left indoors for the past 8 months to acclimatise and bend however it wants within limits.
i will probably get on with it around january or a touch later.

anyways, thanks for the heads up, i shall watch out for more of your very cool movies.
my daughter thinks you are one of the most entertaining craftsmen on the tube.
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Re: RE: Review of the New Domino XL DF 700 - Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3
« Reply #96 on: October 18, 2017, 12:29 AM »
Hi Paul and Everyone

As you can see the third and final part is now available up above.

In my conclusions I mention the cost of the Domino DF 700. Here in the UK it comes in at £924 and so is not cheap. But, a top of the range Lamello biscuit jointer (the TOP 21) is about £885. I really wish I had mentioned that I have not only sold my staionary morticing machine but also my top of the range Lamello - the latter having been bought about 12 years ago. Now I believe that the new Domino is far more capable than the Lamello and is only £50 more. If one takes into account the price of a reasonable staionary morticer and the Lamello you can get both the Domino DF 500 and the Domino DF 700 together for the same price.

It was Paul Marcel's video that persuaded me to get the DF 500. I hope that I can now help you come to terms with the fact that you really do need a DF 700 and buying makes such good sense. If you have £1000 in the bank the interest rate is below inflation so your money is losing value all the time. Now is the time to invest in something that you know you want and will make you feel good every time that you use it.

For UK members, keep an eye out for The Woodworker magazine as my written review of the new Domino will be in there soon followed by several other bits of Festool kit.

I am now going to give my workshop a makeover and try and get my new bench finished.

Thank you for taking an interest in my videos.

Peter

The DF 700 is $1980 Canadian Dollars.  Basically we’re paying the equivalent of £1201 GBP for a DF 700 in Canada.  You’re getting the XF 700 at a bargain compared to us.

You did a great job with the videos.  If Spielberg was directing your video would have been 213 minute long with 7 alternate endings.  The last thing you want is Spielberg directing your tool video.

You have a couple of Jump cuts in the videos.  You can smooth them out by using a 1/2 second fade to black and fade back into the next scene.

Depending on the video editor your using. You can insert 1 second black background video and put a transition 1/4 second fade-out and fade-in from each scene into the 1 second of black footage placed inbetween each clip. 

It’s a trick used on TV to fade in from commercials preventing jump cuts.  It will
add some extra polish to your videos.
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