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« Reply #30 on: November 16, 2011, 03:49 PM » |
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I wasn't convinced that the 700 could make strong enough joints until i got it, on some pressure threated pine outdoor doors i made, i used two 14x70 dominos per joint, and believe me it take a mallet to get them in all the way and once they are in there is no getting them out again. From that moment on i was convinced. The joints may have less glue surface than traditional ones, but they are perfect. Which honestly is an art to achieve with traditional joinery.
But what i would want is that festool provides us with some kind of documents or info about what they tested it on. Because i am sure they tested and perfected it for years. It would be handy to have their knowledge and experience to avoid having to go through the trial and error phase ourselves.
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« Reply #31 on: November 16, 2011, 05:34 PM » |
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Timtool, you make a good point. Festool must have testing data & it would be nice to see the results.
Well I have decided to go for the complete set but it will be 2 weeks before my dealer can get it. Will report back when I've tried it. I have 5 internal doors to make just now so I will try to delay them until I get it. The time saving on these doors should just about pay for it.
Peter, thanks for your reply.
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« Reply #32 on: November 16, 2011, 08:29 PM » |
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Most excellent video.
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« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2011, 10:02 AM » |
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Timtool, you make a good point. Festool must have testing data & it would be nice to see the results.
Well I have decided to go for the complete set but it will be 2 weeks before my dealer can get it. Will report back when I've tried it. I have 5 internal doors to make just now so I will try to delay them until I get it. The time saving on these doors should just about pay for it.
Peter, thanks for your reply.
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I think you will be pleased with your purchase, not only the time saving but the saving in materials about 3m of rail stock de pending on the style of door ( assuming 100mm stiles) on 5 doors. |
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« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2011, 10:34 AM » |
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Great review!
Not sure I will ever buy but after watching this I sure know what it can do.
Thanks Peter.
Tim
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« Reply #35 on: November 17, 2011, 05:30 PM » |
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Hi Peter
Just watched all three videos well done sir
Points that have been raised so far: about traditional mortise and tenon joints. I think if our friends Mr Chippingdale & Mr Sheriton would have adored the kit we have now and been first in the que, when the next new must have came out.
For the professional woodworker this new DF700 is a must have. I just need the rite project to justify the cost of this latest must have.
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« Reply #36 on: November 18, 2011, 02:16 AM » |
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Hi Peter
Just watched all three videos well done sir
Points that have been raised so far: about traditional mortise and tenon joints. I think if our friends Mr Chippingdale & Mr Sheriton would have adored the kit we have now and been first in the que, when the next new must have came out.
For the professional woodworker this new DF700 is a must have. I just need the rite project to justify the cost of this latest must have.
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Cheers Meatman Fingers crossed that someone will ask you to do some big doors or a barn!! You could always run an ad in your local paper. Peter |
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« Reply #37 on: November 18, 2011, 04:39 AM » |
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Peter Well having watched your video's and your very detailed and informative precise of the Domino XL700, I have now sold my soul to the devil!! Being a traditional joiner I have a Multico tenoner and a Sedgwick morticer and use them to create the usual mortice and tenon joinery, but thanks to you they are "dead men walking", Ebay listed, and an order placed for the Domino XL!!!  I should also give credit to our erstwhile colleague, Woodguy, who is also ordering one. If he, being a "thrifty Scot", is prepared to spend that amount of money they must be good!  Thanks again for the videos reviews, and Festool should look to retain your services, you have no doubt been responsible for an increase in their sales figures. Guy |
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« Reply #38 on: November 18, 2011, 05:17 AM » |
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Dear Guy
Many thanks.
I am so pleased that you have joined the 'DF 700 club' - you will not regret it. In the old days I had so many single purpose dedicated machines that, even though they were from the same manufacturer, shared no interchangeable parts or were in any way part of an 'integrated' approach. I have sold all but my bandsaw and planer/thicknesser and bought Festool kit. I am able to do the same tasks as before but more accurately, more quickly and with much more job satisfaction. I have re-discovered the pleasure of really accurate cuts and perfect joints made in a clean and almost dust free workshop.
I know that Festool in Germany have a YouTube channel. I would be delighted to provide something like that for the English speaking world.
Thanks again and enjoy your lovely new Festool tool.
Peter
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« Reply #39 on: November 18, 2011, 12:37 PM » |
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Oy Guy, what do you mean "thrifty scot"  It was you that told me that Shrouds don't have pockets   |
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« Reply #40 on: November 20, 2011, 09:41 AM » |
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peter anyone know is this going to be available in 110volt in the UK
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« Reply #41 on: November 22, 2011, 04:00 AM » |
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peter anyone know is this going to be available in 110volt in the UK
Hi James I have just contacted my supplier, Toolfest of Woking, and Warren has been very kindly doing some checking for me. It appears that it will be early next year for the 110v version. If Festool UK have any more accurate information I am sure that they will update this thread. Peter |
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« Reply #42 on: November 22, 2011, 08:10 AM » |
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hi peter thankyou very much for the reply i had looked at the festool site but couldn't find any information on it, the place i had been buying all the festool products from that i own are no longer in business so i need to find a new dealer, the one thing that  annoys me is that festool bring out a product and don't allways seem to be ready for the demand the carvex was a disaster just one of the many. festool really need to address this in my opinion sorry if this seems like a rant  guess i need to be more patient thanks again peter and thank warren for me |
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« Reply #43 on: November 22, 2011, 11:24 AM » |
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Typically, Festool begin their production runs with 230V tools, before switching to 110v later on. This is one reason why North America tends to get their products after Europe. Presumably you will see a 110v version around the time North America will, i.e mid-2012.
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« Reply #44 on: November 23, 2011, 01:54 AM » |
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Typically, Festool begin their production runs with 230V tools, before switching to 110v later on. This is one reason why North America tends to get their products after Europe. Presumably you will see a 110v version around the time North America will, i.e mid-2012.
Hi Richard Europe uses 220-240volts and is a pretty big market so it is logical for any European company to start with the 'home' market. Also, Festool make all of their own motors and making 110 volt versions with identical characteristics that then need to fit inside the same cavity is not always easy. I very nearly bought a Bosch sliding compound saw (the newest one). It had been released in North America but not in Europe. I am so glad that it was not immediately available as I then took a look at Festool and bought my Kapex 120 - I have never looked back. Peter |
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« Reply #45 on: November 23, 2011, 11:57 AM » |
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Peter that's right. It's one reason I like to go home to see what's on its way over here!
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« Reply #46 on: November 23, 2011, 02:49 PM » |
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Typically, Festool begin their production runs with 230V tools, before switching to 110v later on. This is one reason why North America tends to get their products after Europe. Presumably you will see a 110v version around the time North America will, i.e mid-2012.
Hi Richard Europe uses 220-240volts and is a pretty big market so it is logical for any European company to start with the 'home' market. Also, Festool make all of their own motors and making 110 volt versions with identical characteristics that then need to fit inside the same cavity is not always easy. I very nearly bought a Bosch sliding compound saw (the newest one). It had been released in North America but not in Europe. I am so glad that it was not immediately available as I then took a look at Festool and bought my Kapex 120 - I have never looked back. Peter Peter the motor housing sizes would be worked out at the design stage not backward engineered |
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« Reply #47 on: November 23, 2011, 02:56 PM » |
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Dear Festoolfootstool
You are right, of course, but 110volts still presents some challenges.
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« Reply #48 on: November 23, 2011, 06:48 PM » |
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this 220v v 110v confuses me. being that in europe all site tools are usually 110v. these site and pro shop users are where festools are aimed at. you would expect that they would make their tools available to them first and then to the domestic users.
maybe its so that any glitchs are ironed out before the heavy users get them.
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« Reply #49 on: November 23, 2011, 07:07 PM » |
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Europe uses 220-240volts and is a pretty big market so it is logical for any European company to start with the 'home' market.
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« Reply #50 on: November 24, 2011, 01:41 AM » |
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Hi Alan
You make a good point but I wonder whether 110 volts for site work is just something that we do in our left-hand corner of Europe. Do the Germans, Dutch and French have different rules?
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« Reply #51 on: November 24, 2011, 02:25 AM » |
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Never seen 110v here anywhere.
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« Reply #52 on: November 24, 2011, 06:48 PM » |
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o i thought that 110v thing was an eu health and safety irective. my bad sorry.
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« Reply #53 on: November 24, 2011, 08:22 PM » |
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eu health and safety irective.
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« Reply #54 on: November 25, 2011, 05:41 AM » |
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YEEHAH!!! My XL 700 has arrived and is going to get to work on some big gates and also some windows and doors. Had a little play , erm I mean product evaluation process, , last night and yup it is everything I had hoped for. It's the absolute dogs, thank you festool design team and engineers  |
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« Reply #55 on: November 25, 2011, 06:35 AM » |
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110v is only used in te UK, mainland Europe is all 220v. It's really those crazy Brits again, always wanting to do things differently just to be different.  |
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« Reply #56 on: November 25, 2011, 10:56 AM » |
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Alex, you are so right. I hate 110v tools & don't own any.
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110v is only used in te UK, mainland Europe is all 220v. It's really those crazy Brits again, always wanting to do things differently just to be different. A bit like not wanting to join the euro then.. |
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110v is only used in te UK, mainland Europe is all 220v. It's really those crazy Brits again, always wanting to do things differently just to be different. A bit like not wanting to join the euro then.. Jury is still out on that one. |
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