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Offline allent

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sander options
« on: November 09, 2017, 10:05 AM »
I just found this forum and it looks very interesting and active.  I started reading the discussions and there is a tremendous amount of good information here.  I am hoping to get some of your thoughts and recommendations on a choice of sanders for me.

I just purchased a ETS EC 125/3 EQ COMPACT BRUSHLESS FINISH SANDER and a 5M HOSE W/ SLEEVE.  I got it for its reportedly excellent dust collection and my Porter Cable 5" sander died.

Before I got a chance to use it I received an advertisement for the new hybrid sanders.  I am considering exchanging what I purchased for one of the hybrids and would appreciate any input you have on the battery option, the shorter stroke, and the alternate pad shapes for use as a primary sander.

This is my first post, so let me give you some context for this.  I have been building furniture as a hobby with some commissions for many years.  I have a website which will give you an idea of the type of work I do. http://allentownsendwoodworking.com.   My work ranges from small items to adding a deck with mostly custom one of a kind furniture.   I have a well equipped shop which includes a few Festool pieces, namely a TS55EQ plus Track saw and 3 tracks, clamps etc; a Domino 500Q-plus; and a CT22E vacuum with the Oneida ultimate dust deputy.  I am impressed with the Festool quality and design.

As far as portable sanders go I have a Bosch 6" dual mode sander which I use for rough work and polishing table tops, a Fein multimaster tool that I use for detail sanding.  My primary portable sander was the 5" Porter Cable random orbital sander which I am replacing with the Festool ETSC 125/3.  I will use this for sanding flat and curved surfaces with a soft pad.

I also own a fiberglass sailboat.  I do some maintenance while it is in the water.  This is one application where battery power would be a plus for me both from easier accessibility without a chord and safety around water.

I would also appreciate any thoughts as to the shape of the pad.  I have always used the 5" round pad for general sanding.  My experience with other shapes is that they came with underpowered sanders and were disappointing.  Given that the Festool sanders probably have adequate power, I am curious if I should consider the delta shaped pads for my primary sander.  If anyone uses this shape particularly with Festool sanders for furniture and general sanding I would appreciate your thoughts.

I realize this is a long post and has several questions, but I hope the background helps.  I look forward to your thoughts and reading more of the discussions in the forum.

Thank you for your time and insights.
Allen

 






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Offline jacko9

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Re: sander options
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2017, 12:43 PM »
Hello Allen,

I viewed your work on your web site and I'm impressed with the design and quality!  I also have been building furniture for many years and when the Domino joiner came out I got into Festool.  I always hated sanding because of the dust issue but after experiencing the quality of the Domino and the CT22 I decided to replace my Bosch and other sanders with Festool.  My first purchase was the ETS 125 but within one week I brought it back to the store and bought the RO90 and the ETS 150/3.  Those two sanders are my main tools now but I decided that for furniture with vertical surfaces I wanted the ETS 125 so I bought one when Festool had one of their rare re-conditioned tool sales.  I also decided that the LS 130 is just what I needed for curved surfaces since I was under impressed with the speed and efficiency of my Fein Multimaster.  I find that Festool's Garnat sanding formulation is fantastic for hardwoods and the discs seem to last many times what my older paper discs did.

Jack

Offline Holmz

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Re: sander options
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2017, 03:36 PM »
Some others to consider are:
- (boat) a /9 or /12-mm pneumatic random orbital.rupes (and maybe Mirka) make some good ones.
- (furnature) orbital sander like the Festool RS2, but there are other options that are arguably better.
- have you considered a belt sander and frame?

Offline ScotF

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Re: sander options
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2017, 06:59 PM »
The 125 is a great sander. Very powerful and versatile. I have the RTS and DTS and those are great sanders too - if I had to choose one it would be the DTS over the RTS just for ease of getting into corners, but I really do like the RTS and it has the ability to use interface pads for curved shapes with is nice. I am not sure that the DTS would be my main choice for one sander - it would work, but be slow on larger surfaces. An ideal combination would be both the DTS and the 125 to cover a wide range of tasks.

Great site, BTW, and some beautiful pieces. Thanks for posting a link to it.

Offline allent

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Re: sander options
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2017, 08:43 PM »
Thank you for your comments. 

I talked with the people that I purchased the sander from today and they encouraged me to try the one that I have before making my decision since it is returnable within 30 days.

I tried it for a bit this evening.  I sanded the carved seat of a prototype chair I am working on.  It was contoured and roughed out in poplar.  I sanded with the 120 paper that came with the sander and a soft pad interface.  I was impressed with how well it smoothed the seat and controlled the dust.  Clearly this is a major improvement over what I have been using.  I will certainly think about the other ones you mentioned.

I am still intrigued with the delta pad, but the round pad was probably the right one for this job.

Thanks again,
Allen

I will try a few more things over the next several days.


Offline Holmz

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Re: sander options
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2017, 09:11 AM »
The Mirka abradenet screens work on these sander also and may be worth trying.

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Re: sander options
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2017, 10:48 AM »
Welcome to the forum Allen  [smile]

    Don't worry about the long post. More depth is one of the things that forums do better than other types of social media. The back ground is great to know.

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Offline McNally Family

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Re: sander options
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2017, 11:59 AM »
Wow, I really enjoyed your website and the wonderful projects you have on display!  I also found myself rather envious of your shop size.  It seems you have plenty of room to move around.

Hopefully you will continue to post and give us details as to how you achieve your spectacular results!  Other, more experienced woodworkers will be in a better position to give opinions on which sander you should consider next.  Myself, I am too much the novice to be giving you my opinion.

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Offline allent

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Re: sander options
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2017, 08:13 PM »
Yes, I am fortunate to have some good space for my workshop.  My wife comments that I keep expanding my shop and moving her storage to a smaller and smaller area.

Thanks to everyone for your posts and advice.  I will look for a demonstration in my area where I can try the battery one with a power chord, hopefully before my 30 days runs out at the end of the month.  In the meantime,  I will continue to try the one that I have.  I will let you know if I decide to try the battery one. 

Thanks again for your comments and suggestions.

Allen

Offline jacko9

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Re: sander options
« Reply #9 on: Yesterday at 11:56 PM »
Yes, I am fortunate to have some good space for my workshop.  My wife comments that I keep expanding my shop and moving her storage to a smaller and smaller area.

Thanks to everyone for your posts and advice.  I will look for a demonstration in my area where I can try the battery one with a power chord, hopefully before my 30 days runs out at the end of the month.  In the meantime,  I will continue to try the one that I have.  I will let you know if I decide to try the battery one. 

Thanks again for your comments and suggestions.

Allen

Allen, Let us know what you think after deciding on your purchase and let us know what you think about whatever products you but or if you decide to keep what you already have.

One thing you may want to consider is disc size commonality.  I have a several sanders and keeping an inventory of too many sizes get's expensive.

Offline Bob D.

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Re: sander options
« Reply #10 on: Today at 05:48 AM »
"I also own a fiberglass sailboat.  I do some maintenance while it is in the water. 
This is one application where battery power would be a plus for me both from easier
accessibility without a chord and safety around water."

This might seem silly but think about using a lanyard with your cordless sander when
working on the boat near the waters edge. A simple strap to your wrist with a short
tether to the tool could avoid an unplanned dunking of your tool. If you lost your grip
for whatever reason of bumped into something and the sander was knocked out of
your hand and you're near the water it could go overboard if working topside. With
no cord or hose attached to the tool you'd have little chance of grabbing it before it
hit the water.

The cordless sanders are so new there is probably limited hands on experience among
the group since they first became available only a few weeks ago.
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Offline Holmz

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Re: sander options
« Reply #11 on: Today at 04:47 PM »
A pneumatic sander has both the lanyard, and the safely of no electricity.
There is a reason why the are popular in the boat and automotive industries.
IMO get a pneumatic. I have a DEROS which is modelled after a pneumatic and great, but for what you are doing, or if I was using similar I would get the 50 year old technology that is well proven.