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Offline stairman

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I installed an entire house of crown molding yesterday, and really had a great opportunity to compare my Kapex to the DeWalt it has replaced.

Has anyone else here ever setup the kapex side by side with another SCMS?
the differences are surprising when you do this, and I would suggest trying it if you get the chance to make some good comparisons like I did yesterday.


The mess made by the DeWalt was horrendous.   -you can't truly appreciate the effectiveness unless you experience the difference SIDE BY SIDE,  but to try to explain,  6-8 cuts on the DeWalt sprays out the same as the Kapex making 120-150 cuts of the same material.
my smartphone video didn't turn out well enough to share, so I will try this again when I have a better camera setup with a tripod...

across the board, it was really a night and day difference.  initially, I was thinking to myself that I would probably end up using one saw for initial LH cuts and the other for the TH cut,  but the comparison was akin to taking the DeWalt slider and comparing it to a Harbor Freight SCMS, and after just a few cuts, you no longer want to touch the inferior tool

-and to think I had been using the DeWalt saw/laser/Folding aluminum DeWalt "sawhorse" type stand for years all the while believing it was industry standard quality tool system :-\

another BIG thanks to Festool for the end all - be all of professional tools!  The Kapex + Kapex UG system is a priceless addition to my arsenal!

and for anyone trying to decide if Festool is really worth the price:  YES, they certainly are, and more... 

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Looking to buy: RO150EQ+ ; LR32 guide rails, 3000mm guide rail, parallel guide set   ;  another TS55 to replace the 1 I sold...   OF1010 and additional Festool Routers ;  RS2  ;    and a FESTOOL BS105 BELT SANDER SET
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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2011, 06:29 PM »
Glad it worked out for you. Im kinda waiting for a 12 inch kapex. I hope thats whats in the works when the "upgrade" the second generation saw. If not then uncle Bob will be ordering 2 of the current offerings for me. Be well
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Offline Dave Reinhold

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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2011, 06:53 AM »
I have a Kapex with the UG stand and couldn't be happier.  I can't find a stand in production that is easier to set up and gives your material continues support.  I owned 2 dewalt saws and stands before buying my Kapex, I thought the dewalt stands were the greatest until I used a stand that had solid supports.  When I first got my Kapex I mounted it to a dewalt stand and made plywood supports for it but it took 4 trips to bring my saw, stand, plywood supports and ct22 inside.  With the UG stand I can bring everything inside in 1 trip, sometimes I need to go back for the ct22 if there are alot of stairs.

I to have used the Kapex side by side to the dewalt saws.  Just when you think the dust collection isn't working right or the kapex is heavy, I just walk over to the 12" dewalt slider and after using it I really appreciate my Kapex.

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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2011, 08:47 AM »
I had the DeWalt before getting the Kapex. For me its major huge.

The DeWalt I had to run an air cleaner and wear mask. The Kapex I'm working under someone's Chandelier.

The home owner inspected the saw and light and stared at the saw awhile. Then said this sure beats mine. How much.

I told him and his response :o was "ohh"

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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2011, 11:04 AM »
Some great comments here especially the side by side comparison of dust collection.  I can relate with the statements " when you think the Kapex ain't doing its job dust collection wise, just walk over and try another saw in the same context."  It really does blow your mind, but it's so easy to condemn it on the spot when you're used to the superior collection we get with say the sanders.
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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2011, 11:18 PM »
I'm currently running a Kapex in the shop for my finer cuts and the DeWALT on job sites for exterior trim. If I'm doing a high end trim job I'm for sure using the Kapex because it's so precise. I'm still debating on what sort of stand to use with the Kapex. The Ron Paulk Ultimate mitre saw stand, the UG, or a DeWALT stand. Can I get some feed back on what stand to get. I know most of you will say the UG but tell me why so I can justify spending $1000 here in Canada.  I Love my Kapex BTW. Thanks Festool, and if they release a 12" I would still opt for a 10" because of its size and portability.
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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2011, 08:21 AM »
Hi Darren;

I bought the cart for the Kapex saw and made my own brackets using the crown stops as attachment points and pirated the basic design for the wings from a few sources, mostly Dave Reinhold's and Gary Katz though. (Thanks Dave and Gary!) I used a Kreg stop set-up on the fence and an ajustable folding leg that goes to the ground to support each wing.

The wings are 8' long on each side and and about 8"wide, they work very well. My wings are not as compact as the UG wings but they are longer and wider, giving me better stock support than the narrower UG extensions and also an imperial tape instead of metric.

I find this combination to work very well; to me the UG wings looked too short and narrow to meet my needs, I never did actually try them out though.

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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2011, 09:08 AM »
@ Darren...I think you need to see what works best for you in your situation. If you have limited space, you may consider a compact setup...if you need portability, but have transport room, the Paulk idea is great!  I work primarily out of a 6'6" pick up and have to fit all my tools in!  Therefore, I'm using the UG cart with my own extensions!

Best of luck!

Bob
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Anyone know the height of the kapex and UG stand when folded up for transport? Would it fit flat in the bed of a pickup truck with a Bakflip cover? Or would i be disassembling every time?

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Mine is on the jobsite...I can check tomorrow unless someone chimes in sooner!

Bob
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Anyone know the height of the kapex and UG stand when folded up for transport? Would it fit flat in the bed of a pickup truck with a Bakflip cover? Or would i be disassembling every time?

It's a smidge under 60cm (2 feet). How deep is your truck?

Offline awil66

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Thanks Kev. I think I have 23.5". So looks promising. Unless the wife has already spent the tax refund...

Offline Johncarlo

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I just hooked up my makita to my new CT 36 AC thinking it would help out with the dust, wrong. I guess a Kapex is on the list as a future buy. I wish I found out about Festool sooner!

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I bought the UG and wings because I need to take the Kapex down, and put is away, when not doing woodworking to park the cars. The woodshop and the garage occupies the same space. So the UG cart and wings make it easy to set up and tear it down.
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I bought the UG and wings because I need to take the Kapex down, and put is away, when not doing woodworking to park the cars. The woodshop and the garage occupies the same space. So the UG cart and wings make it easy to set up and tear it down.

Same for me - though it's under cover outside beside the garage in my case.

When I used my Hitachi I looked like a dirty snowman after a dozen cuts. Now I don't even need to sweep. KAPEX rules!

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installed an entire house of crown molding yesterday

  [eek] Wow,by your self ? A large house ? Hats off , I never thought I was particularly slow ,and haven't done loads of crown,but an entire house in a day is ...wow...
  Some guys cant seem to get past the price , but the lasers alone + the dust pickup, well worth it. I wonder when clouding a room with mdf dust (or any dust for that matter)with other workers in the area will be banned ? Now I need a portable table saw with the same dust pickup...
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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2012, 07:14 PM »
How easy is it to remove the kapex from the UG stand? Is it a five minute affair, or much more involved?
Thanks.

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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2012, 07:16 PM »
as far as i know you just turn 4 plastic parts and lift it off the legs the same way you put it on
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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2012, 08:12 PM »
How easy is it to remove the kapex from the UG stand? Is it a five minute affair, or much more involved?
Thanks.

It's very simple!!!  Five minutes or less!

Bob
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The UG cart is awesome, the only part I don't like is putting my wings back into the plastic holders, as I always seem to get the straps all twisted !!! [censored]

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Ohh, come on guys ! It's Festool. What else did you expect ??  [big grin] [big grin]
I use DeWalt too and also hope for Kapex someday. It's great that someone has both tools and can compare them at jobsite.

« Last Edit: March 17, 2013, 04:46 AM by HaKLc »

Geez guys , I know my dewalt scms sucks compared to a kapex. But do you have to rub it in our face so much? Sorry, just feeling a little inferior, I'm still saving for the lr32 system then the kapex.

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No need to feel inferior Guilliaume...the dewalt scms is a good saw in my opinion !!!

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We are an enthusiast bunch here.  Please don't take anything personal.  I have been in this industry for thirty years now and made money with miter saws made by other companies until 3 years ago when I got my Kapex.  Truth is in the finished product in customer's eyes.  They don't care how or why.  Only you care about how.  The Kapex will be there when you are ready and able.  Until then, in the words of Kreg - rock on!

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We are an enthusiast bunch here.  Please don't take anything personal.  I have been in this industry for thirty years now and made money with miter saws made by other companies until 3 years ago when I got my Kapex.  Truth is in the finished product in customer's eyes.  They don't care how or why.  Only you care about how.  The Kapex will be there when you are ready and able.  Until then, in the words of Kreg - rock on!

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Well said !!!

Nothing taken personally , just giving you guys a hard time. Love to hear good stuff about festool products. It just fuels the addiction.

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Nothing taken personally , just giving you guys a hard time. Love to hear good stuff about festool products. It just fuels the addiction.

I am in the same boat..Except, I have the Kapex, but need the MFT-3, a router, the TS55R, guide rails, another Vac, the CMS.

I figure by the time I get to the CMS my abilities might actually be there to justify it.
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Nothing taken personally , just giving you guys a hard time. Love to hear good stuff about festool products. It just fuels the addiction.

I am in the same boat..Except, I have the Kapex, but need the MFT-3, a router, the TS55R, guide rails, another Vac, the CMS.

I figure by the time I get to the CMS my abilities might actually be there to justify it.

Alas the abilities only come if you have plenty of time to improve your talent ... I'm sadly time poor  [sad]

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Nothing taken personally , just giving you guys a hard time. Love to hear good stuff about festool products. It just fuels the addiction.

I am in the same boat..Except, I have the Kapex, but need the MFT-3, a router, the TS55R, guide rails, another Vac, the CMS.

I figure by the time I get to the CMS my abilities might actually be there to justify it.

Alas the abilities only come if you have plenty of time to improve your talent ... I'm sadly time poor  [sad]

I am too! But I would MAKE time if I had a CMS!.  [wink]

But it's very true, just need to practice, practice.
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I have the 12" dewalt dual bevel.  The bearing are going out on it!  I just got the OK from my bosses to buy the Kapex!!  I can not wait to pick it up. [big grin] 
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installed an entire house of crown molding yesterday

  [eek] Wow,by your self ? A large house ? Hats off , I never thought I was particularly slow ,and haven't done loads of crown,but an entire house in a day is ...wow...
  Some guys cant seem to get past the price , but the lasers alone + the dust pickup, well worth it. I wonder when clouding a room with mdf dust (or any dust for that matter)with other workers in the area will be banned ? Now I need a portable table saw with the same dust pickup...
The cs is pretty good,i ran half a dozen or so kickboards through it on a customers drive,a couple of weeks ago,with no clean up to do afterwards,put it away,went back in the house and realised i`d missed one,so i got the saw back out and as the board was only about 2ft long,i decided not to bother getting the ct out,ended up sweeping the drive [censored],you don`t realise how good the dust extraction really is until you use it without
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I have the 12" dewalt dual bevel.  The bearing are going out on it!  I just got the OK from my bosses to buy the Kapex!!  I can not wait to pick it up. [big grin] 

First day with my new Kapex!! Holy cow what an awesome saw!! I think it will take some time to get use to but I think I am going to love it!  Learned a trick pretty quick with it, you don't have to hold the green thumb bottom down the whole time.  Once you get the saw turned on you can release and its a little more comfortable for me since I've been using a dewalt for along time!!
Anybody else using a Midi with the Kapex? Does the 36mm hose make a difference?
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Hey Sean - have fun!

I know that you asked about the Midi, but unless your questions will be about capacity all the dust extractors have the same suction.  The 36 mm hose does help.  Even more help is IF you can set up with a shortened 36 mm hose.

Have fun and work safely!

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Thanks Peter,

If only Festool sold a 36mm hose that was shorten for half the price?!! ???
I will probably try the bigger hose if and when I recover from buying the Kapex!!
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buy the 36mm hose at home depot, you do not really need the festool anti-static hose.. then you will not feel so bad about cutting it up.
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I have the 12" dewalt dual bevel.  The bearing are going out on it!  I just got the OK from my bosses to buy the Kapex!!  I can not wait to pick it up. [big grin] 

First day with my new Kapex!! Holy cow what an awesome saw!! I think it will take some time to get use to but I think I am going to love it!  Learned a trick pretty quick with it, you don't have to hold the green thumb bottom down the whole time.  Once you get the saw turned on you can release and its a little more comfortable for me since I've been using a dewalt for along time!!
Anybody else using a Midi with the Kapex? Does the 36mm hose make a difference?
I have the KAPEX/MIDI combo on the UG Cart with my custom caster set and mounting plate for the MIDI. I use the 36 mm hose shortened. It works very well. Consider buying one of the cleaning sets which comes with a 36 mm hose and the tubes and sweep head in a systainer. This is a bargain compared to buying the hose outright. Then it won't be so painful to cut the hose to a shorter length which looks better and also works more efficiently!
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You're right about the hose prices - much cheaper to buy a kit ... works out cheaper than buying the hose and systainer, let alone the cleaning parts.

All said, I wish they just did a 2m D36 for the Kapex to DC.

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Please Tom don't mention a Kapex crashing to the floor. I was putting mine in the van on Thursday and it slipped out of my hands as I was stepping into the van and fell bouncing of the back and landing on the pavement. I am still having flashbacks of that moment. Didn't see much damage bent the screw that stops it from sliding straitened it out and seems fine. Will check for accuracy next time I use it. It was a frighting moment.
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Please Tom don't mention a Kapex crashing to the floor. I was putting mine in the van on Thursday and it slipped out of my hands as I was stepping into the van and fell bouncing of the back and landing on the pavement. I am still having flashbacks of that moment. Didn't see much damage bent the screw that stops it from sliding straitened it out and seems fine. Will check for accuracy next time I use it. It was a frighting moment.

I think my heart would have stopped beating [eek]  I totally treat my kapex like its a bomb and if I drop it, it blows!!  But I do know things happen!  Hope its ok. What part of town  do you work mostly?
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I think my heart would have stopped beating [eek]  I totally treat my kapex like its a bomb and if I drop it, it blows!!  But I do know things happen!  Hope its ok. What part of town  do you work mostly?
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North side mostly but this job was near county line rd. I live on south side so I really like it when I get the rare job close to home. Love the basement jobs to. Here's some pics of job.
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I think my heart would have stopped beating [eek]  I totally treat my kapex like its a bomb and if I drop it, it blows!!  But I do know things happen!  Hope its ok. What part of town  do you work mostly?

North side mostly but this job was near county line rd. I live on south side so I really like it when I get the rare job close to home. Love the basement jobs to. Here's some pics of job.
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Im lucky that I work mostly in the center grove and Franklin area! Close to home.  I'm working in a basement right now and cant complain. 90+ outside and nice and cool in the basement!!
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Like the jog on the handrail.  Domino?

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Like the jog on the handrail.  Domino?

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I echo Peter's comments, very neat rail.  Subtle too
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No domino don't have one. Just glue some brads and long pocket screws from underneath and covered by fillet piece. Offset in wall of 1-3/4" seemed like good solution.
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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #44 on: August 04, 2013, 08:13 PM »
I have the 12" dewalt dual bevel.  The bearing are going out on it!  I just got the OK from my bosses to buy the Kapex!!  I can not wait to pick it up. [big grin] 

First day with my new Kapex!! Holy cow what an awesome saw!! I think it will take some time to get use to but I think I am going to love it!  Learned a trick pretty quick with it, you don't have to hold the green thumb bottom down the whole time.  Once you get the saw turned on you can release and its a little more comfortable for me since I've been using a dewalt for along time!!
Anybody else using a Midi with the Kapex? Does the 36mm hose make a difference?

I have the KAPEX/MIDI combo on the UG Cart with my custom caster set and mounting plate for the MIDI. I use the 36 mm hose shortened. It works very well. Consider buying one of the cleaning sets which comes with a 36 mm hose and the tubes and sweep head in a systainer. This is a bargain compared to buying the hose outright. Then it won't be so painful to cut the hose to a shorter length which looks better and also works more efficiently!
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My beloved KAPEX on its UG stand with the CT MIDI resting on its custom mounting plate with shortened 36 mm hose. My UG stand has caster wheels mounted on a cantilevered plate so I can move the saw without the need to tip it on the stand. This prevents the possibility of the saw being tipped too far over and crashing to the floor.



Hi Tom do you have picts of what the K looks like when it's opened / set up on the UG? It's a great Idea and I have contemplating buying the UG. I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.

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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #45 on: August 07, 2013, 12:40 AM »
I have the 12" dewalt dual bevel.  The bearing are going out on it!  I just got the OK from my bosses to buy the Kapex!!  I can not wait to pick it up. [big grin] 

First day with my new Kapex!! Holy cow what an awesome saw!! I think it will take some time to get use to but I think I am going to love it!  Learned a trick pretty quick with it, you don't have to hold the green thumb bottom down the whole time.  Once you get the saw turned on you can release and its a little more comfortable for me since I've been using a dewalt for along time!!
Anybody else using a Midi with the Kapex? Does the 36mm hose make a difference?

I have the KAPEX/MIDI combo on the UG Cart with my custom caster set and mounting plate for the MIDI. I use the 36 mm hose shortened. It works very well. Consider buying one of the cleaning sets which comes with a 36 mm hose and the tubes and sweep head in a systainer. This is a bargain compared to buying the hose outright. Then it won't be so painful to cut the hose to a shorter length which looks better and also works more efficiently!
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My beloved KAPEX on its UG stand with the CT MIDI resting on its custom mounting plate with shortened 36 mm hose. My UG stand has caster wheels mounted on a cantilevered plate so I can move the saw without the need to tip it on the stand. This prevents the possibility of the saw being tipped too far over and crashing to the floor.



Hi Tom do you have picts of what the K looks like when it's opened / set up on the UG? It's a great Idea and I have contemplating buying the UG. I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.
Of course! I took the liberty to configure my KAPEX with the UG LEFT AND RIGHT extensions. This will give a perspective of how big the unit is with the UG full blown setup. OF course the cantilevered caster set and CT MIDI plate are my design so it is NAFF. (NOT AVAILABLE FROM FESTOOL)!! The total length of the setup is about 16 feet. The height is just under five feet with the depth just under three feet.
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The KAPEX on the UG cart ready for some cutting!
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Three quarter view of the UG Stand and extensions.
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Looking down the right side extension.
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Another view from the right side extension.
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View of my 36 mm hose to the CT MIDI.
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View of the CT MIDI resting on its custom mounting plate.
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View of the custom cantilevered castor plate.
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View of the left extension all the way out. Note that the reading on the tape is very accurate.
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Left extension pushed in slightly, the reading is still quite accurate.
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View showing the stop on the right extension.
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The stop deployed and ready for use.
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The KAPEX on the UG cart with the extensions removed.

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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #46 on: October 08, 2014, 11:48 AM »
Stairman,

I wanted to revive this old post as I have been scouring the net to see if there are any real "head to head" comparisons of a Dewalt SCMS vs. the Kapex.  I wan't sure if you had the old video you shot to share, or if you could elaborate on the main differences relating to cut quality (as well as which Dewalt you had).

I realize dust collection, portability, footprint are hot buttons for most.  My future saw will sit in one place in my garage, so not a huge item for me (although dust collection is a plus).

Your thread especially hit close to home for me as I have a Dewalt 780 brand new in the box, that I am on the fence about opening, or returning and tripling my investment into the Kapex.  I'm at best a DIY weekend warrior, so daily use isn't ever going to happen.

I installed an entire house of crown molding yesterday, and really had a great opportunity to compare my Kapex to the DeWalt it has replaced.

Has anyone else here ever setup the kapex side by side with another SCMS?
the differences are surprising when you do this, and I would suggest trying it if you get the chance to make some good comparisons like I did yesterday.


The mess made by the DeWalt was horrendous.   -you can't truly appreciate the effectiveness unless you experience the difference SIDE BY SIDE,  but to try to explain,  6-8 cuts on the DeWalt sprays out the same as the Kapex making 120-150 cuts of the same material.
my smartphone video didn't turn out well enough to share, so I will try this again when I have a better camera setup with a tripod...

across the board, it was really a night and day difference.  initially, I was thinking to myself that I would probably end up using one saw for initial LH cuts and the other for the TH cut,  but the comparison was akin to taking the DeWalt slider and comparing it to a Harbor Freight SCMS, and after just a few cuts, you no longer want to touch the inferior tool

-and to think I had been using the DeWalt saw/laser/Folding aluminum DeWalt "sawhorse" type stand for years all the while believing it was industry standard quality tool system :-\

another BIG thanks to Festool for the end all - be all of professional tools!  The Kapex + Kapex UG system is a priceless addition to my arsenal!

and for anyone trying to decide if Festool is really worth the price:  YES, they certainly are, and more...
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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #47 on: October 11, 2014, 10:51 AM »
You mean like this! This is mainly about the differences in the two saw stands but I'll try to answer both. The Dewalt stand setup similar to what I have is cheap and sturdy. The UG stand is expensive and isn't  big enough to be practical for me doing site work. Also moving finished materials across metal tables increases the chance of damage. The wings in the picture are 5', I also have an 8' set that is drilled like an MFT which is really handy for job site work. I'd spend the money in the saw and build yourself a nice solid bench for it if it's going to mainly stay in the shop.

I was doing a kitchen cabinet installation with a two piece crown and this is what I used. The first piece was a L-shaped backer that was too big to cut with the Kapex. I have a Forrest blade on the Dewalt and it cuts great for a 12" saw. If you are going to be doing mainly finish work then it's the Kapex all day long! Lighter, lasers, easy bevel adjustment, dust collection, and smaller foot print. If you doing general carpentry then the Dewalt will get the job done. I can't speak for the current Dewalt as mine was the first gen model. If you plan on moving or bevels on the Dewalt forget about it. It's heavy and cumbersome to quickly and repeatedly change bevels.
Cheers
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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #48 on: October 11, 2014, 03:04 PM »
Awesome!  Thanks for sharing that. What an awesome setup.

I'm leaning the way of the Kapex.

I went to a festool dealer today and played with it. I LOVED the bevel adjustment.

On the other hand, the swivel on the miter base crazy stiff. I messed with two separate display models, at two separate dealers and felt the same thing. It was almost too stiff to slide with one hand. Is this normal for those of you with the kapex? 

The sales guy at the first place was making things up as to why that is a good thing. The second place, the guy admitted it was pretty stiff and didn't know why. (He said maybe it will loosen up over time...which seemed fishy to me).

On the other hand,  nearby store had the dewalt...smooth as could be. I could swivel with one finger, and clamp down really nice.

Help!

You mean like this! This is mainly about the differences in the two saw stands but I'll try to answer both. The Dewalt stand setup similar to what I have is cheap and sturdy. The UG stand is expensive and isn't  big enough to be practical for me doing site work. Also moving finished materials across metal tables increases the chance of damage. The wings in the picture are 5', I also have an 8' set that is drilled like an MFT which is really handy for job site work. I'd spend the money in the saw and build yourself a nice solid bench for it if it's going to mainly stay in the shop.

I was doing a kitchen cabinet installation with a two piece crown and this is what I used. The first piece was a L-shaped backer that was too big to cut with the Kapex. I have a Forrest blade on the Dewalt and it cuts great for a 12" saw. If you are going to be doing mainly finish work then it's the Kapex all day long! Lighter, lasers, easy bevel adjustment, dust collection, and smaller foot print. If you doing general carpentry then the Dewalt will get the job done. I can't speak for the current Dewalt as mine was the first gen model. If you plan on moving or bevels on the Dewalt forget about it. It's heavy and cumbersome to quickly and repeatedly change bevels.
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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #49 on: October 11, 2014, 05:44 PM »
My Kapex moves with one hand with no problem. i lube mine when it starts to get rough. The Dewalt is smoother but I wouldn't let it be a deal breaker.
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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #50 on: October 11, 2014, 06:17 PM »
My Kapex is stiffer than many of the other brands, but a dry spray lube on the bottom really made it be one handed.  The bevel feature is so so so sweet.

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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #51 on: October 11, 2014, 10:06 PM »
OK, so I went to Dealer #3 today and played with their floor model Kapex (yes, I have a patient wife).

That Kapex moved smoothly (albeit with more tension than the Dewalt).  It was night and day from the previous two.

I am not exaggerating, it was really hard to swivel with the first two Kapex saws.  I have read that the earlier version had a recall relating to the handle which created tension when miter cutting.  This was quite a while ago, so I would be shocked that either dealer would have one that old sitting around.  I'd imagine it would make it hard for them to sell the Kapex though.  I really can't believe nobody seemed to notice or know anything at both dealers.

If I had felt the smooth miter action on the first saw (like I did when visiting the 3rd dealer)…I'd probably own one right now.  As it stands, I am nervous I have to admit as I would opt to order from an online dealer, with the variation I have felt.

Any thoughts out there (or prior experience/explanation) regarding the miter adjustment being really stiff on the two, and not the 3rd (a two handed, push and grunt job)?  This wasn't anything that spraying a lube would solve, it really felt like grinding metal almost like the miter lock on the handle was partially engaged, even though it wasn't.
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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #52 on: October 11, 2014, 10:21 PM »
I wouldn't make the assumption that the Kapex's that were really stiff weren't some of the early ones that had the part that was too thick.  Dealers aren't allow to sell their displays under most situations and there is no guarantee that the replacement parts were installed.  Stranger things have happened.

If I were you I wouldn't be afraid that a new in box Kapex would be like those two.  A whole lot of time has passed since the early days of the Kapex here in NA.  And you always have Festool on your side.

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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #53 on: October 11, 2014, 11:02 PM »
Well, two parts of  the Festool ‘deal’ are that you can return within thirty days- so if your Kapex isn’t as good as that third dealer’s send it back and pick up another one. Remember you’re paying a premium price for that ability, so use it. The second part is Festool’s pricing is the same country wide, so why not order it from the dealer you want to deal with? Explain to them want you want and go for it.
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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #54 on: October 11, 2014, 11:38 PM »
are you sure the Kapex miter lock was not on? that would cause stiffness.

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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #55 on: October 12, 2014, 10:27 AM »
Thanks everybody for the responses.

Yes, I am sure the miter lock was off (I tested on and off. When on, it doesn't budge at all.)

Also, the 30 day return isnt as big a deal for me since I have to take back my Dewalt to the store first. I paid $200 less than it is going for now, so if I get the Kapex and don't like it. I'll probably have to pony up more money to buy back the same saw.

I'm still shocked that both dealers didn't recogninze a problem without my pointing it out. Hmmmm?
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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #56 on: October 12, 2014, 10:54 AM »
I find that my local dealer does push people AWAY from Festool.

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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #57 on: October 13, 2014, 01:39 AM »
My Kapex is stiffer than many of the other brands, but a dry spray lube on the bottom really made it be one handed.  The bevel feature is so so so sweet.

Peter
Peter,

What dry lube did you use?  Where exactly did you spray it?

Thanks,

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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #58 on: October 13, 2014, 02:07 AM »
How is it a side by side comparison if you only mention the difference in dust collection?

Take your Kapex, set it up 5 cuts, install new blade now do the exact same thing to your Dewalt. Make the exact same cut in the exact same wood and show us what the differences are and what was made easier. That is a comparison otherwise I am not even sure what 2 pages of??? was about?

By the way I am in no way saying one is better then the other I am just showing how internet cheer leading is a little biased. Also the Kapex is crown size challenged so I am assuming small crown molding? Ok, one Kapex jab but honestly I just like to see honest comparisons so the right tool wins.

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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #59 on: October 13, 2014, 06:18 PM »
OK, I wanted to report back (tail tucked) and say I went back to the first dealer to see the Kapex again.  Perhaps the miter lock was on, because I made point to unlock and it moved just fine (a little stiff, but much better).  I was surprised that it WOULD move when locked, which isn't the case with the Dewalt.  I'm not sure when you'd put that much horizontal pressure on the miter handle between cuts... but if you did, your angle would be off a degree or two (granted, you do need to crank it).

I wanted to clear that up since I know folks rely on this feedback when making decisions (including yours truly). 

So now, I am comfortable with the bevel swivel and lock.  The Miter swivel and lock.  Cut quality seems awesome.  It really seems to boil down to all the pro's already listed.  I saw the dust collection in the showroom and it seemed pretty sweet.  (one of the guys at the shop was super cool and actually had some experience with a 12" Dewalt.)  Consensus was that the Dewalt pukes dust everywhere.  I'm planning to decide this week whether I will unbox the big yellow beast, or pull the Kapex trigger.

I would love to see a head to head video focused on dust collection (as far as I have searched, no such video exists).  Anybody know of such a video (or is bored enough to just make one) , feel free to indulge the inquiring mind ;D.

Thanks again, FOG is a great place!!!
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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #60 on: October 13, 2014, 06:37 PM »
The Dewalt works fine but because it is a 12' blade there is more deflection than the Kapex. I'm a carpenter that cuts a lot of crown moulding during the coarse of a year and I have only had to cut on the flat a handful of times. You can cut 6-1/2" crown in position without any problem. If you do need to cut on the flat, the Kapex will blow away the Dewalt in speed and accuracy of bevel changes.

In the picture I posted of the two saws together on the Dewalt stand, I had the Kapex hooked up to dc and just a bag to the Dewalt. I used both saws for two days trimming out a kitchen and the amount of sawdust that came from the Dewalt would have filled my vac! The only way to get remotely close to the Kapexs ability to collect dust is with a Fastcap hood and a box under it to capture the falling dust. Even doing that there is sawdust everywhere, to the point that you can't read the miter scale on the saw. I even built a plastic hood to go around the saw which was hooked up to two 4" lines to a 1-1/2hp dust collector. It worked halfway decent but the thing was the size on the Nimitz and forget about the noise!

Your not sure what the two pages are about? First of all this started out as a comparison between the Festool and Dewalt stands and saws. Perhaps if you read the two pages you would see that several people gave their options as to the pros, cons, and uses of both stands and saws.
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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #61 on: October 13, 2014, 10:45 PM »
Thanks Curt!

I think I see a Kapex in my future :)

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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #62 on: October 14, 2014, 09:06 PM »
I think your making the right decision Grasshopper! Show me sand the floor! Sorry I was channeling Pat Morita! It will only hurt for your drive home and once you start using it your furrowed brow will relax as a smile breaks and confident chuckle comes from deep within.
Have Fun
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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #63 on: October 15, 2014, 11:48 AM »
Yes Mr Miyagi  ;D

Thanks again for your help

(by the way, your channeling Pat Morita is spot on.  I chose the name Grasshopper with something like that in mind.  I am in awe of all of the knowledge from everyone on the FOG, and  their willingness to share with a scrub like me).

I think your making the right decision Grasshopper! Show me sand the floor! Sorry I was channeling Pat Morita! It will only hurt for your drive home and once you start using it your furrowed brow will relax as a smile breaks and confident chuckle comes from deep within.
Have Fun
Curt
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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #64 on: October 21, 2014, 11:21 AM »
….so I sold the Dewalt I had sitting still in the box on Craigslist.  I threw it out there at a price that covered my cost and tax and didn't have high expectations that it would sell (and had planned to just take it back to Lowes).  To my surprise, it sold pretty fast.  So I no longer have a miter saw.  Looks like there is a Kapex in my future :)
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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #65 on: October 21, 2014, 07:50 PM »
I'm currently running a Kapex in the shop for my finer cuts and the DeWALT on job sites for exterior trim. If I'm doing a high end trim job I'm for sure using the Kapex because it's so precise. I'm still debating on what sort of stand to use with the Kapex. The Ron Paulk Ultimate mitre saw stand, the UG, or a DeWALT stand. Can I get some feed back on what stand to get. I know most of you will say the UG but tell me why so I can justify spending $1000 here in Canada.  I Love my Kapex BTW. Thanks Festool, and if they release a 12" I would still opt for a 10" because of its size and portability.

Darren,

I have the DeWalt 12" slider that I have mounted on the Bosch Gravity Rise stand.  The Bosch stand is very sturdy and with large sized wheels, it's very easy to move around.  The gravity rise function works like a charm and I'm a 70 year old guy.

If I get the Kapex I'll look to see if it will mount on my Bosch stand.

Jack

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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #66 on: October 21, 2014, 07:52 PM »
I installed an entire house of crown molding yesterday, and really had a great opportunity to compare my Kapex to the DeWalt it has replaced.

Has anyone else here ever setup the kapex side by side with another SCMS?
the differences are surprising when you do this, and I would suggest trying it if you get the chance to make some good comparisons like I did yesterday.


The mess made by the DeWalt was horrendous.   -you can't truly appreciate the effectiveness unless you experience the difference SIDE BY SIDE,  but to try to explain,  6-8 cuts on the DeWalt sprays out the same as the Kapex making 120-150 cuts of the same material.
my smartphone video didn't turn out well enough to share, so I will try this again when I have a better camera setup with a tripod...

across the board, it was really a night and day difference.  initially, I was thinking to myself that I would probably end up using one saw for initial LH cuts and the other for the TH cut,  but the comparison was akin to taking the DeWalt slider and comparing it to a Harbor Freight SCMS, and after just a few cuts, you no longer want to touch the inferior tool

-and to think I had been using the DeWalt saw/laser/Folding aluminum DeWalt "sawhorse" type stand for years all the while believing it was industry standard quality tool system :-\

another BIG thanks to Festool for the end all - be all of professional tools!  The Kapex + Kapex UG system is a priceless addition to my arsenal!

and for anyone trying to decide if Festool is really worth the price:  YES, they certainly are, and more...

Just to be clear on the side by side comparison, did you use a dust extractor while cutting with the DeWalt?  I have the DeWalt 12" slider and I hooked it up to my Festool CT22 and I was not at all impressed with the dust collection.

Jack

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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #67 on: November 01, 2014, 11:26 PM »
Curt,

I now have a kapex and plan to mount it to my Dewalt stand. Did you have to do anything to the dewalt brackets to get it to mount up like that?


You mean like this! This is mainly about the differences in the two saw stands but I'll try to answer both. The Dewalt stand setup similar to what I have is cheap and sturdy. The UG stand is expensive and isn't  big enough to be practical for me doing site work. Also moving finished materials across metal tables increases the chance of damage. The wings in the picture are 5', I also have an 8' set that is drilled like an MFT which is really handy for job site work. I'd spend the money in the saw and build yourself a nice solid bench for it if it's going to mainly stay in the shop.

I was doing a kitchen cabinet installation with a two piece crown and this is what I used. The first piece was a L-shaped backer that was too big to cut with the Kapex. I have a Forrest blade on the Dewalt and it cuts great for a 12" saw. If you are going to be doing mainly finish work then it's the Kapex all day long! Lighter, lasers, easy bevel adjustment, dust collection, and smaller foot print. If you doing general carpentry then the Dewalt will get the job done. I can't speak for the current Dewalt as mine was the first gen model. If you plan on moving or bevels on the Dewalt forget about it. It's heavy and cumbersome to quickly and repeatedly change bevels.
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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #68 on: December 26, 2014, 12:13 AM »
I have several miter saws. 12" dewalt dual bevel slider with laser. 12" Makita dual bevel slider. 10" Makita dual bevel slider with laser. 12" dewalt dual bevel non slider. My newest saw is the Kapex. It is by far my favorite. my second favorite is the 10" Makita. But I like all of them for different reasons. I may sell one or 2 when I can get around to deciding which one.
 I will not be just using the Kapex on every job. Where I can set up inside with dust extractors, I will only use the Kapex. But if it's outside or I have extra help, that may not treat my tools with care, its going to be Dewalt or Makita.
The Dewalt saws have the greatest capacity the non slider can handle the largest material standing against the fence. The slider has the greatest crosscut capacity. They are solid and not too noisy. Their fences are really good. The belt drive is nice, much nicer than the original 12" Dewalt compound miter saw with direct drive motor. The blade guards are the nicest ones to use of any miter saw. The dust extraction is terrible on the Dewalts. It doesn't matter what kind of vacuum you hook up to.
The Makita saws are a lot more refined than the Dewalt saws. They have smoother running, smoother sliding, smoother swinging tables as well as plunging action. They have slightly less capacity but just as much power. The fences are not as nice to use as the Yellow saws. They also have better dust collection. The soft start motors are a nice plus too.
I will probably sell either the 12" Makita or the Dewalt slider but I'm not 100% sure on that.
The Kapex is a great tool but it's not perfect and it's not the end all be all saw. There are other very capable and very good saws. No one should feel bad about their current saw just because the Kapex exists. A few pieces of trim were cut in the world before it came out.


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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #69 on: December 26, 2014, 09:56 AM »
Jwtoolpig,  first off,   [welcome] to the FOG.

Yes, the Kapex is a nice tool, but, for most of my cuts I don't need a sliding CMS (I have a radial arm saw if I need a wide cut.  As much as I would like to purchase the Kapex, I think I will stick with my RAS and my DeWalt miter saw for the time being....  For precise cuts when I'm building a project (furniture, boxes, etc..l.) I think the DeWalt offers more precision because it isn't a slider, by design it is more ridgid, less flex, suits my needs.  If I get the need to have a Kapex, that will be driven by the need to have a saw that I could use on site / in the house where dust extraction drives that need.

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Re: side by side comparison, Festool Kapex on Kapex UG v. DeWalt/DeWalt
« Reply #70 on: December 26, 2014, 10:49 AM »
My "scientific" comparison between my old miter saw and my Kapex.

Old.... Use outdoors only, sweep, vacuum, frown.

Kapex..... Use indoors, smile.
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