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Offline bellchippy

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T12+3 and T15+3 Review
« on: March 11, 2009, 11:34 AM »

Hi all
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Re: T12+3 and T15+3 Review
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2009, 02:25 PM »
looks like a good candidate for the "Consolidated List of Festool Links;D
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Offline Steve Jones

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Re: T12+3 and T15+3 Review
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2009, 12:02 AM »
While I appreciate the full and honest feedback and experience from others using Festools, I would prefer to hear about each success or failure just once.

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Offline Steven in Iowa

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Re: T12+3 and T15+3 Review
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2009, 10:59 AM »
Does anybody have a date when these are scheduled to show up on the US market?
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Offline Daviddubya

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Re: T12+3 and T15+3 Review
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2009, 12:13 PM »
Does anybody have a date when these are scheduled to show up on the US market?

According to Bob Marino's web site, May 1.
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Offline Micke

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Re: T12+3 and T15+3 Review
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2009, 06:13 AM »

Hi all
Review of T12+3 and T15+3 at Festool uk will try and insert link.
http://www.festool.co.uk/artikel/artikel_weiterleiten.cfm?id=1079

Quote: Cordless drills must be durable, robust and, at the same time, light. Well I have had 2 new T15+3 drill and both broke within one month tells me they are not durable and robust! MAKES ME ANGRY!!!!!!!!!!!! I dont even use the drill that heavy

Just curios - how did they break?
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Offline Daviddubya

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Re: T12+3 and T15+3 Review
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2009, 11:12 AM »
Just curios - how did they break?

Do a Search for recent posts by jmbfestool.
« Last Edit: March 16, 2009, 11:14 AM by Daviddubya »
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Offline Joe Jensen

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Re: T12+3 and T15+3 Review
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2009, 08:51 PM »
I haven't purchased a Festool drill/driver yet, I've been waiting for the T15+3 I think.  Not that it's around the corner I've started doing some planning.  I can swallow the price (I think), but it looks like I'll get killed in bits.  For example, the hex bit extension is $26.50?  I think the last one I bought from McFeelies was $3.99.

Is it true that one really needs an all festool bit kit to take full advantage of the centrotec and other features?

I currently have the following;
Panasonic 15.6V NiMH drill/driver
Panasonic 12V NiMH impact driver with electronic clutch
All the Bosch 12V small NiMH drills and drivers.


Offline Eiji Fuller

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Re: T12+3 and T15+3 Review
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2009, 12:08 AM »
I can swallow the price (I think), but it looks like I'll get killed in bits.  For example, the hex bit extension is $26.50?  I think the last one I bought from McFeelies was $3.99. Insane? yes but the drill comes with one and if you need a longer one just switch to the standard chuck.


Is it true that one really needs an all festool bit kit to take full advantage of the centrotec and other features? Yes, but it doesnt necessarily have to be all that large of a collection. The drill comes with a bit holder.  Get a set of centrotec drill/bradpoints, and the countersinks and you should be good to go.

I currently have the following;
Panasonic 15.6V NiMH drill/driver
Panasonic 12V NiMH impact driver with electronic clutch
All the Bosch 12V small NiMH drills and drivers.

The Panasonics are hard to beat and the bosch are OK, but the really great thing about the Festool is the accessory chucks. You just dont know until you use them. Flippin amazing!

« Last Edit: April 21, 2009, 12:10 AM by Eiji Fuller »

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Re: T12+3 and T15+3 Review
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2009, 02:58 PM »
I can swallow the price (I think), but it looks like I'll get killed in bits.  For example, the hex bit extension is $26.50?  I think the last one I bought from McFeelies was $3.99. Insane? yes but the drill comes with one and if you need a longer one just switch to the standard chuck.


Is it true that one really needs an all festool bit kit to take full advantage of the centrotec and other features? Yes, but it doesnt necessarily have to be all that large of a collection. The drill comes with a bit holder.  Get a set of centrotec drill/bradpoints, and the countersinks and you should be good to go.

I currently have the following;
Panasonic 15.6V NiMH drill/driver
Panasonic 12V NiMH impact driver with electronic clutch
All the Bosch 12V small NiMH drills and drivers.

The Panasonics are hard to beat and the bosch are OK, but the really great thing about the Festool is the accessory chucks. You just dont know until you use them. Flippin amazing!



true! the panasonic is good with the impact having veriable speed is very good one of the guys i work with has a impact one  its got a belt clip its handy but no pits holder thats the only down side really.  The festool has no belt clip but has bits holder.  I got the festool T15  also the New  M18 Milwukee drills  Impact and Driver and they both have  belt clips and bits holder so really handy!   They are 3.0 ah batteries and the festool is 2.6 and I think the festool drill lasts longer!
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Offline fortrout

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Re: T12+3 and T15+3 Review
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2009, 07:35 PM »
 I have been using the new T12+3 Drill on a kitchen installation. It performs as well as my older C12 3.0 amp , the big difference is at the end of the day. The t12  is so much lighter,you are not dreading running in another screw. The weight difference is really that noticeable. I think there will soon be another C12 on E-bay.
« Last Edit: May 02, 2009, 11:03 AM by fortrout »

Offline jb883

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Re: T12+3 and T15+3 Review
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2009, 08:41 PM »
I am definitely getting one, I just can't decide between the T12 or T15.  Is there a noticeable size difference?  It sounds like the T12 is fine for most cabinet and shop work, but if there is not much of a size difference my inclination would be to get the 15 just in case. 
My local dealer has not gotten them in yet, so I have not been able to try them out and see for myself.
Any advice or input always appreciated.

Jim

« Last Edit: May 04, 2009, 08:43 PM by jb883 »

Offline jb883

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Re: T12+3 and T15+3 Review
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2009, 11:15 PM »
I had the chance to check out both today and came home with a T15.  Hardly a difference in size or weight, so I went with the 15.  So far I have only mounted a few drawers, but what a difference in weight and feel to my old DeWalt.  I was switching back and forth since I had a drill bit in the DeWalt, but picking up the Festool just felt so much better!  Now if I can sell my first born I can get a few bits for it  ;D

Offline ForumMFG

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Re: T12+3 and T15+3 Review
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2009, 06:48 PM »
I just gave my T12 a real first test today since I bought it.  I had to bore 1 1/8" dia. hole  1 1/2" deep.  Half way through each hole it stopped on me.  The first shut down was 2 beeps which means it got to warm and all the other times it beeped once which means it got overloaded.  I only Drilled 4 holes.   I drilled the same hole with my Makita.  My makita does not have the same smarts as the T12 and it sure did have a hard time drilling the hole.  I liked how the computer in the drill knows when it's working to hard.

Offline joraft

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Re: T12+3 and T15+3 Review
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2009, 06:52 PM »

 I liked how the computer in the drill knows when it's working to hard.


I have a T12 and T15, and I like them both. But I think my Dewalts have a better overload warning system. They send out smoke signals.   :D
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Offline James Watriss

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Re: T12+3 and T15+3 Review
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2009, 11:35 AM »
1 1/8" !!!

Pretty big pants, for a drill with such little britches. Back when I was still a nitwit newbie, I burned out a corded B+D drill on 1 1/2" holes. Certified me as a nitwit, since I ignored how hot the drill was getting, and simply wrapped it in a rag so I could keep holding it.

I've also used 14.4V drills that would have had a hard time on much lesser holes than that. And my 18V DW XRP certainly got hot (motor and battery) drilling a bunch of 3/4" holes.

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Offline Les Spencer

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Re: T12+3 and T15+3 Review
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2009, 07:51 PM »
I just gave my T12 a real first test today since I bought it.  I had to bore 1 1/8" dia. hole  1 1/2" deep.  Half way through each hole it stopped on me.  The first shut down was 2 beeps which means it got to warm and all the other times it beeped once which means it got overloaded.  I only Drilled 4 holes.   I drilled the same hole with my Makita.  My makita does not have the same smarts as the T12 and it sure did have a hard time drilling the hole.  I liked how the computer in the drill knows when it's working to hard.

What type material? What type bit? What size is Makita? Did you drill any holes with the Makita from the start or did you finish them?
Les (near Indy) XL

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Re: T12+3 and T15+3 Review
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2009, 08:38 PM »
My experience is that if you are going to put a big, agressive bit in a C12 or the new T+ drills, you better hang on.

I seriously recommend that nobody try a big, self-driven bit in any of these drills without proper planning (for wrist problems).


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Offline ForumMFG

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Re: T12+3 and T15+3 Review
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2009, 09:12 PM »
Les,

I was going into maple with a spade bit.  I was removing material so I could get my router bit in to make mortises.  I did not finish with the makita.  I waiting for the drill to cool down and then I finished.  To compare, I broke out the makita and drilled another hole to test it.  My makita is a BHP452 which has 450 in.lbs. torque.

Tom's right, you better hand on.  I didn't have any problems but I could tell if I didn't hang on, I would go for a ride.

I did test the T15 with a 1" dia. auger bit 8" long on the right angle chuck at my suppliers store.  That took me for a ride =)  
« Last Edit: July 26, 2009, 09:17 PM by ForumMFG »

Offline Brice Burrell

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Re: T12+3 and T15+3 Review
« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2009, 09:18 PM »
My experience is that if you are going to put a big, agressive bit in a C12 or the new T+ drills, you better hang on.

I seriously recommend that nobody try a big, self-driven bit in any of these drills without proper planning (for wrist problems).


Tom

I was going into maple with a spade bit.  I was removing material so I could get my router bit in to make mortises.

Tom's right, you better hand on.  I didn't have any problems but I could tell if I didn't hang on, I would go for a ride.

I did test the T15 with a 1" dia. auger bit 8" long on the right angle chuck at my suppliers store.  That took me for a ride =) 

You guys must be wimps.  ;D The T15+3 can handle a 1" auger bit not problem.
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Offline ForumMFG

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Re: T12+3 and T15+3 Review
« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2009, 08:09 AM »
Brice,

I have the T12, do you think If I purchased the T15 I would be able to drill the same hole with no problem?  I do enjoy the warning system these drills have but I was really not expecting the T12 to do this?  I know the T15 only has a little bit more torque but maybe it's enough to do the job?

On another note, I bought my Makita set 2 months ago.  I really enjoy the impact driver that came with it.  I will allways use the impact driver to fasten screws, it's such a great tool. Unless I need a fastener torqued at the right level which a impact driver can't do.  I justified buying the T12 for it's changeable chucks.  Thats pretty much the only reason why I bought it besides the fact I wanted another drill for constantly having a pocket hole bit in it to use with my kreg jig and use my other drill for various drilling tasks."

Has Festool ever entertained the idea of making a Impact driver?  I wonder why they don't now.

-Dave
« Last Edit: July 27, 2009, 09:32 AM by ForumMFG »

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Re: T12+3 and T15+3 Review
« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2009, 10:40 AM »
Festool's sister company ProTool makes an impact that is supposed to be very nice, too bad ProTool tools aren't sold in the US.
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Re: T12+3 and T15+3 Review
« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2009, 10:53 AM »
Brice,

What do you think about switching the T12 for a T15?

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Re: T12+3 and T15+3 Review
« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2009, 11:32 AM »
Well, I don't know your needs as well as you do. I chose the T15 because I wanted more torque for the times I need to extra power. I coming down the home stretch of a three month job that I'm testing my two T15 drills for my review. It's a residential remodel, we done work to most of the interior of the house. My drill have seen a wide range of jobs from rough carpentry to drywall and now we're on to some of the finish work like installing shower doors, adjusting bath and kitchen cabinet doors and installing pulls/handles. The T15 has replaced my old 18V XRP DeWalts, while the XRPs do have a bit more torque I've not missed using them on this job at all. They has handled jobs that require finesse perfectly. Control of the low end torque is very good so I haven't had the need for a lower volt drill to the finessing. I guess what I'm saying is if there is reasonable chance you'll want more torque the T15 might be a better choice since it can handle both big and small jobs with grace.

Now that I've given some of plot away to my review I hope you guys still take the time to read it.  ;D
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Re: T12+3 and T15+3 Review
« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2009, 11:35 AM »
Brice,

What do you think about switching the T12 for a T15?

Dave,

I know we all love the Festool brand, but there nothing that says it has to be the only brand of tool we have.  I understand that there are many outstanding impact drivers from other manufacturers.  Why not give them a try?

Woodcraft is running a special on Makita.  It seems like Bosch would be pretty good too.

Neill
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Re: T12+3 and T15+3 Review
« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2009, 11:42 AM »
Neil, I own the makita 18v impact driver which in my opinion is the best on the market.  Like I said before, I bought the T12 for the changeable chucks.

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Re: T12+3 and T15+3 Review
« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2009, 12:09 PM »
Neil, I own the makita 18v impact driver which in my opinion is the best on the market.  Like I said before, I bought the T12 for the changeable chucks.

Dave,

Yes I did see that in your previous posts.  I thought you were now asking about using the Festool in lieu of your Makita impact driver.  Sorry for the misunderstanding.

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Re: T12+3 and T15+3 Review
« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2009, 01:15 PM »
A couple things to ponder:

A spade bit will almost always take more torque than an auger bit. Whenever possible, use a cutting tool that does its work with less cutting force involved. This saves the drill, the work, and you. You can pick the order of those that is most important to you.  ;)

Also, consider using a higher torque driver setting instead of the drilling mode when drilling in a situation where the drill could hurt you if it grabs. I would think this would be exceptionally easy with the new Festools or the C12 as the clutches are electronic on the former and electronically monitored on the latter.
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Re: T12+3 and T15+3 Review
« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2009, 05:52 PM »

What do you think about switching the T12 for a T15?


Dave, I have both the T12 and the T15, and I notice quite a difference in torque between the two.

I bought the second drill because I'm too lazy to swap drill bits and driver bits. I chose the T12 for the second one because it is SLIGHTLY smaller, and I thought there might be times when that could be useful. The difference in price is really not enough to figure in the decision.

If I only owned one, I would definitely want it to be the T15.


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Re: T12+3 and T15+3 Review
« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2009, 05:11 PM »
Well, I just returned from my Festool Dealer.  I exchanged my T12+3 for the T15+3.  Waiting for the batteries to charge and then I'll play with it. 

Does anyone know what festool does with the tools that are returned?  My Dealer said that he has no clue and he's never seen a re-conditioned festool in his life.

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Re: T12+3 and T15+3 Review
« Reply #30 on: August 09, 2009, 02:06 PM »
At one time they were resold at a 10%, 20% or 30% discount depending on condition. That was discontinued ~2 years ago. According to posts made when the announcement to discontinue was made, tools were no available for resale.
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