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Offline Foghat

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the best tools
« on: June 17, 2017, 01:42 PM »
Hi everyone,
I know that good tools in the hands of a fool won't make a project come out well.
Over the last few days I've been building a set of shelves in my crawl space. It's 4 feet high in there, so it's not easy to move around. I built a frame for it with 1x2, 2x4, and 2x2 lumber, with 1/2" plywood decking. I measured carefully as I cut the various parts, notched the pieces for lap joints, and drilled the holes. Due to the size of the opening into the crawl space, it meant assembling most of it in place. I kapex, t55 saw, MFT and rails, C-15 and my new PDC18, and the carvex.
Once in the cramped space, I drilled and screwed the pieces, together. Everything fit perfectly! It was square vertically, horizontally in both directions. Though it's just a set of storage shelves, I must say, it looks like a piece of furniture. Compared to the cobbled together shelves the previous owner, the difference is even more evident.
I must say, that with a few tips from the many Festool videos, and careful measurement, it all fit. It was a joy to use these tools which made clean, smooth cuts, and drilling and screwing them together was so quick and easy using the drills. I've built things for years, but with my Festool tools, which I've gotten over the past couple of years, it is just such a pleasure to use them, and the results prove it. I feel so much more confident about my work, and where I really notice it is in the ease of measuring and setting up the tools; it's so quick. Make the mark, press a green button to slide it up to the mark and cut. Precise, smooth cuts, everytime.
There were a few expletives uttered in the space, but just because i bumped my head on a joist, but because they fit together so well, and were perfectly square, it made the whole thing more fun, than frustrating.
So I'm just saying, there is a confidence inspiring aspect to these tools. I'm having fun, lots of fun, using them and building things.
I think this confidence and enthusiasm is evident in so many videos out there as well. I work in film and tv, so I can tell a fake performance in a sec. I know that some of them are guys who are sponsored by Festool, but even the guys who go out and buy something, and then review it, or use it; these pros still give a sense that they don't just feel they're good tools, but that they really work and do what they say they can. They seem to also take some joy in using them as well, they seem to genuinely be impressed with the results, and say themselves, that they try new things, because they feel these tools help them achieve success with them.
And they like it enough to share it with us in their videos.
Just felt like sharing.  [smile]
Pass the Kool-aid.  [wink]

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Offline Peter Halle

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Re: the best tools
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2017, 01:52 PM »
Thank you for sharing your experience and thoughts! 

I'm taking a break from cleaning up my van and putting those darn tools back in their systainers after a hectic week.  And yes I smile when I see my well used Kapex sitting on the passenger seat of my van every morning.

Peter
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Offline Lou in DE

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Re: the best tools
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2017, 02:02 PM »
Totally agree. I've only been a Festoolian for about 2 years and can honestly say that I have enjoyed working with the tools more than any others I have owned in the last 30 years since I took up woodworking as a hobby. Besides the dominos, routers, track saw, drills and kapex, I believe the most impressive of the festool tools are the sanders (I now have 5  [eek]) - I realize now that I never owned a good sander before Festool and that there actually is such a thing as dust free sanding [big grin]
In theory, theory and reality are the same. In reality, theory and reality are different - especially in woodworking!

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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2017, 02:12 PM »
@Lou in DE ,

Isn't it strange now looking back at the sander(s) you had prior to your first Festool sander that you suffered thru and tried to make that / those work for everything, but once you got your first Festool sander you then decided that the difference was enough to jump in and buy others - based on application needs - versus a one-size-shoe-fits-all approach.

I don't have five (4) but could see one more in my future in the perfect circumstance.

Sand happily and enjoy clean Kleenex!

Peter
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Offline SRSemenza

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Re: the best tools
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2017, 07:02 PM »
Nice recount, Foghat.   [thumbs up]

As you said good tools don't necessarily make good work. But good tools in the right hands can really shine.

 For me part of anything I do is the tools / equipment. I just enjoy using good tools especially if I have had a similar one that isn't good or well designed. I like using them it's part of it for me. Whether it is my profession of woodworking or one of the hobbies I have had over the years. The right tool for the job or a creative way to use a tool. The difference in a quality tool and one that is not when in use can be astounding even in simple hand tools such as screwdrivers. And I do mean quality not just price.

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Offline Untidy Shop

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Re: the best tools
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2017, 07:18 PM »
What an enjoyable thread to read; some positive joyful discussion.

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Thank you for sharing . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . .  And yes I smile when I see my well used Kapex sitting on the passenger seat of my van every morning.

Peter


Just one negative however! It is my experience @Peter Halle that the front passenger seat of most trades vehicles, at least around this rural area, is reserved for the four legged tradie/companion; not a saw!? [eek] [big grin]



So Peter, where does this young fella ride?
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Offline rst

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Re: the best tools
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2017, 09:01 AM »
Using Festools made quality work so much easier that I decided to up my hand tool game as well. Now my Lie Neilsen collection is almost as expensive as my Festool...just kidding, that would require Lie Nielsen to start making vehicles...vans maybe??

Offline slimm

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Re: the best tools
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2017, 04:53 PM »
i second that festool geat is pure quality from the usability to the storage aspects. go festool and you dont look back

Online Bob D.

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Re: the best tools
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2017, 07:50 PM »
" I realize now that I never owned a good sander before Festool and that there actually is such a thing as dust free sanding [big grin]"

I'd bet many of us could say that, I know I can. My first Festools were a Rotex125 and CT36, then added the DTS400. Always hated sanding before I got those three. Now not so much but I really like being able to sand without making a mess and it's easier on the lungs which is a huge plus and in itself makes them worth their weight in gold to me.
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Offline Holmz

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Re: the best tools
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2017, 07:32 AM »
...

Isn't it strange now looking back at the sander(s) you had prior to your first Festool sander that you suffered thru and tried to make that / those work for everything, but once you got your first Festool sander you then decided that the difference was enough to jump in and buy others - based on application needs - versus a one-size-shoe-fits-all approach.

I don't have five (4) but could see one more in my future in the perfect circumstance.

Sand happily and enjoy clean Kleenex!

Peter

I am sure that people that got the Mirkas before the Festools have the same claims.
It is nice having everyone raising their game in the dust collection arena, and even the low end now is getting much better.


Offline slimm

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Re: the best tools
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2017, 04:37 PM »
" I realize now that I never owned a good sander before Festool and that there actually is such a thing as dust free sanding [big grin]"

I'd bet many of us could say that, I know I can. My first Festools were a Rotex125 and CT36, then added the DTS400. Always hated sanding before I got those three. Now not so much but I really like being able to sand without making a mess and it's easier on the lungs which is a huge plus and in itself makes them worth their weight in gold to me.
I also find that the vibrations are greatly reduced compared to competitors versions. Which protects the users from prolonged nerve damage to the hands

Offline Holmz

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Re: the best tools
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2017, 01:52 AM »
" I realize now that I never owned a good sander before Festool and that there actually is such a thing as dust free sanding [big grin]"

I'd bet many of us could say that, I know I can. My first Festools were a Rotex125 and CT36, then added the DTS400. Always hated sanding before I got those three. Now not so much but I really like being able to sand without making a mess and it's easier on the lungs which is a huge plus and in itself makes them worth their weight in gold to me.
I also find that the vibrations are greatly reduced compared to competitors versions. Which protects the users from prolonged nerve damage to the hands

Many now have specs for that, so we do not need perceptions.

The best I have is the uva115, which is baby bottom smooth.
But does it matter? Probably not...

It is likely similar to how one can tolerate loud noises for a short time and lesser noises for longer.
So half the vibration can mean more than 2x longer (and maybe less), but when one is comparing sanders that are 4% the vibration of the old one versus 8%. Yeah the better one might be half, but both are 10x better than what one started with.

But without some solid specs then it is just hearsay as to whether a new Festool is better than a new brand-X, but it is likely better than any 10 year old machine... (Unless the CEROS is 10 years old).
So just about any modern and new sander would be more joyous.

Offline polarsea1

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Re: the best tools
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2017, 01:11 AM »
In my location shelving in crawlspace = pueblo for carpenter ants. I can't even envision a crawl space dry enough to store anything but a sump pump.