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Offline Woodenfish

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Re: The MFK 700 EQ, edge trimming router.
« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2008, 03:25 PM »
The Virutex looks like a nice trimmer but it lacks dust collection. I've been doing a lot of laminate work with
my Bosch Colt lately and can attest how much better life would be if I could capture the dust at the tool.

I just purchased the new MFT/3 plus a bunch of other accessories leaving me somewhat cash poor. The MFK 700 EQ
is on the horizon as the next addition for me. Luckily, this is a hobby and not an occupation.

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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: The MFK 700 EQ, edge trimming router.
« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2008, 03:40 PM »
Michael, the 1.5 degree horizontal base tilts the base 15. off the centerline of the bit, this produces a very slight chamfer. The purpose this to prevent cutting into the horizontal surface when edge trimming. Here's a model, veneer plywood with edge banding, the bit is held at 1.5 degree (exaggerated angle in the model) to prevent cutting the face veneer.

No special bit needed and I don't know of any other router that does this.

Thanks for the cool illustration Brice. But, if "The vertical orientation in the 1.5 deg base is 1.5 off vertical" isn't the bit in the illustration 90 degrees off axis?
Or, are there two ways to install the motor in that base?
If so, why?

I'm afraid I'm asking basic questions now and haven't done my homework.

If you can put motor in the 1.5 d base in a vertical orientation then it might be better to use a bit like the one in Forrest's post and run the router so the edge band is sheared in the direction of the broad surface. This might reduce tear-out and chipping.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: The MFK 700 EQ, edge trimming router.
« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2008, 03:41 PM »
just checked,

The French (Virutex) does make a 1.5 degree cant on its trim router (& adjustable up)........http://www.virutex.com/Tiltable_Trimmer.html

monte

ps. hmmm, a sense a comparitive Festool MFK 700 / Virutex FR292R review in the future.  :D :D :D

Tilt-ability is very cool!

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Re: The MFK 700 EQ, edge trimming router.
« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2008, 03:52 PM »
Brice,

Nice write up - keep going!

I have a PC router with an adapter from Bettersly that I use to trim edgebanding.  It does a nice job, but you can only use a "V" type of bit and the bit seems to get gummed up with the adhesive from the edgebanding.  I'm considering upgrading if only for the superior dust collection.

Do you need to use a special (expensive) Festool bit to trim edgebanding and is there any reason to believe that the adhesive on the edgebanding will not gum up the bit in the same way that the "V" shaped bit gets gummed up?

Thanks,
Roland

Roland, pretty much any edge trimming bit will work in the MFK, so no, you don't have to use a "special" Festool bit. Unfortunately, when trimming edge banding the adhesive "gum up" is always an issue.

Have you tried using the trimmer bits with the Euro square bearing? I really like those.
Them or the regular solid carbide single flute cutters work well on gummy plastic laminates
when used with a spray can of Lami-Lube.
Will any of these bits matter with the way the cutter is held?
Will use of lubricants for plastic laminates be necessary?

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: The MFK 700 EQ, edge trimming router.
« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2008, 04:09 PM »
just checked,

The French (Virutex) does make a 1.5 degree cant on its trim router (& adjustable up)........http://www.virutex.com/Tiltable_Trimmer.html

monte

ps. hmmm, a sense a comparitive Festool MFK 700 / Virutex FR292R review in the future.  :D :D :D

This model seems to have dust collection covered.

See also this reasonably priced work piece holder stand.
« Last Edit: May 18, 2008, 04:13 PM by Michael Kellough »

Offline Woodenfish

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Re: The MFK 700 EQ, edge trimming router.
« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2008, 06:05 PM »
Did you notice that model you referenced has a 5/16" collet only?
The MFK 700 has a 1/4" plus an 8mm collet included which seems like a more useful tool.

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Re: The MFK 700 EQ, edge trimming router.
« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2008, 07:08 PM »

The vertical base can fit up to a 1" diameter bit. On he US version, the base is threaded (tapped) for standard Porter Cable style guide bushings (now if I could only find metric sized PC bushings). Phenolic base to prevent scratching the of work surface.


With guide bushing you can use the MFK with dovetail jigs, templates and of course, the MFS template system.


The vertical base has a chip deflector with a vac port, one thumb screw attaches the assembly. Vac port fits both the D36 and D27 hoses.


A view from the top of the vertical base, you can see one of the two attachment points for the edge guide (arrow far left), the vac port built into the base, fits the D27 hose (arrow upper center) and one of the four bit centerlines (arrow lower right).

Text and pictures, copyright 2008, Brice Burrell
 
« Last Edit: August 29, 2008, 11:12 PM by Brice Burrell »
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: The MFK 700 EQ, edge trimming router.
« Reply #37 on: May 18, 2008, 08:59 PM »
Did you notice that model you referenced has a 5/16" collet only?
The MFK 700 has a 1/4" plus an 8mm collet included which seems like a more useful tool.

No I didn't notice. That's too bad.

Offline Eiji Fuller

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Re: The MFK 700 EQ, edge trimming router.
« Reply #38 on: May 21, 2008, 08:42 AM »
Brice,

I am interested in the 0 deg. horizontal base. Will you be reviewing that as well? Is there room in the systainer for it? it looks a lil tight.
The 0 deg base is needed if you apply your veneer after edge banding. It would also be useful in trimming edge banding around an outside corner since with the 1.5 deg base the bit height would be too high to cut the banding flush as you go around the corner.

Eiji

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Re: The MFK 700 EQ, edge trimming router.
« Reply #39 on: May 21, 2008, 05:46 PM »
Brice,

I am interested in the 0 deg. horizontal base. Will you be reviewing that as well? Is there room in the systainer for it? it looks a lil tight.
The 0 deg base is needed if you apply your veneer after edge banding. It would also be useful in trimming edge banding around an outside corner since with the 1.5 deg base the bit height would be too high to cut the banding flush as you go around the corner.

Eiji

Eiji, I don't have the 0 degree horizontal base so I can't comment on it. I'd say you're right, no room in the Systainer for the 0 degree base.
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Offline Eiji Fuller

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Re: The MFK 700 EQ, edge trimming router.
« Reply #40 on: May 26, 2008, 10:11 PM »
Brice,
I'm anxiously waiting for more. ;D

One more question. How is the DC when using the guide bushing? It seem like there is nowhere for the chips to go when the bit is in the bushing hole. I was wanting this router for hinge prep.

thanks Eiji

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Re: The MFK 700 EQ, edge trimming router.
« Reply #41 on: May 26, 2008, 10:47 PM »
Eiji, sorry, I've been wasting time, it won't happen again.  ;) I'll get more of the review up tomorrow evening. Let me take a closer look at hinge mortises with the MFK before I comment on it here. First thing after work tomorrow I'll check a few different bit/bushing combination and report back.
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Re: The MFK 700 EQ, edge trimming router.
« Reply #42 on: May 27, 2008, 10:16 PM »
Brice,
I'm anxiously waiting for more. ;D

One more question. How is the DC when using the guide bushing? It seem like there is nowhere for the chips to go when the bit is in the bushing hole. I was wanting this router for hinge prep.

thanks Eiji

  As promised, here the results while routing a shallow mortise like for a hinge. I used the MFS and MFK with a 1/2" bit/3/4" bushing, with the MFS template overhanging the edge of the stock, where the barrel (where the hinge pin goes) part of the hinge over hangs the door. the dust collection is only fair to poor. With the template closed with a backer block (like Eiji's did in his door project, bottom pic on reply #102) the DC is excellent, very, very close to 100%.

  If this doesn't make sense to anyone don't worry I'll be including pictures in the review that will it what I said clear.

« Last Edit: May 27, 2008, 10:19 PM by Brice Burrell »
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Offline Eiji Fuller

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Re: The MFK 700 EQ, edge trimming router.
« Reply #43 on: May 28, 2008, 03:17 AM »
Brice,
when using templaco templates the hinge plate holes in the templates are only 1/8" over size so the bit has to fill nearly the entire ID of the bushing. have you tested with that config.?

Thanks,

Eiji

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Re: The MFK 700 EQ, edge trimming router.
« Reply #44 on: May 28, 2008, 09:19 AM »
Eiji,

If you use an up-spiral bit that has flutes going up through the bushing I think you will get good DC. The flutes help to channel the chip upward in concert with the vacuum. I suspect you will get better DC than just about any other router out there. Not many 'trim routers' have DC built in.
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Re: The MFK 700 EQ, edge trimming router.
« Reply #45 on: May 28, 2008, 01:52 PM »
Good idea Greg, thanks.

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Re: The MFK 700 EQ, edge trimming router.
« Reply #46 on: May 28, 2008, 03:14 PM »
Brice,
when using templaco templates the hinge plate holes in the templates are only 1/8" over size so the bit has to fill nearly the entire ID of the bushing. have you tested with that config.?

Thanks,

Eiji

No, not yet. Let me know what size you use and I'll try that combo just for you (since it looks like you may be getting a MFK very soon).
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Re: The MFK 700 EQ, edge trimming router.
« Reply #47 on: May 28, 2008, 07:04 PM »
Brice,
when using templaco templates the hinge plate holes in the templates are only 1/8" over size so the bit has to fill nearly the entire ID of the bushing. have you tested with that config.?

Thanks,

Eiji

No, not yet. Let me know what size you use and I'll try that combo just for you (since it looks like you may be getting a MFK very soon).

Brice,
  With the way you do your reviews, it makes it very difficult not to buy one of everything.  You come up with more undocumented ways of using Festools, that I imagine even the Engineers at Festool hold their breath for the next installment.
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Re: The MFK 700 EQ, edge trimming router.
« Reply #48 on: May 28, 2008, 08:44 PM »
I tried a 1/2" bit with a 5/8" bushing. As you might has suspected the DC isn't as good, but only when the router is not completely covering opening in the template, as in the picture below.
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However with the MFK's base coving the template like the picture above, the DC is nearly 100%.




  As promised, here the results while routing a shallow mortise like for a hinge. I used the MFS and MFK with a 1/2" bit/3/4" bushing, with the MFS template overhanging the edge of the stock, where the barrel (where the hinge pin goes) part of the hinge over hangs the door. the dust collection is only fair to poor. With the template closed with a backer block (like Eiji's did in his door project, bottom pic on reply #102) the DC is excellent, very, very close to 100%.

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Here's a pic to show what I meant about the template being open, this allows dust to escape from the opening and the DC is fair to poor.

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Anytime the template is enclosed on all sides the DC is excellent like it is in this pic or with Eiji's backer block idea.

  There is good news and bad news about this review. First the bad news, I'm going to be delayed  even more in getting this review done. Now the good news, you are going to like why its being delayed.............
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Re: The MFK 700 EQ, edge trimming router.
« Reply #49 on: May 31, 2008, 11:40 PM »
. First the bad news, I'm going to be delayed  even more in getting this review done. Now the good news, you are going to like why its being delayed.............
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You must mean we are going to be jealous. :D

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Re: The MFK 700 EQ, edge trimming router.
« Reply #50 on: June 02, 2008, 05:16 AM »
Brice, The good news for me has been that I am slowly getting caught up with some of my outside work, and have had a little more time for lurking on the FOG.  This morning, I have had enough time to read thru this entire thread and was really getting interested in your report.  Also some very interesting points brought up by others.  I was really getting excited.

The bad news:  That box does NOT look like something to go with the MFK 700.  Now, I suspect it contains something I have been ?persuading? myself I do not need.  Come on, my friend, give me a break.  How can I ignore when you keep coming up with these great reviews.  And I am sure that box contains your next review source.

I will just find it necessary to go back to searching for more info for my landscaping projects.  It is much safer for me.

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Re: The MFK 700 EQ, edge trimming router.
« Reply #51 on: June 02, 2008, 05:39 PM »
The bad news:  That box does NOT look like something to go with the MFK 700.  Now, I suspect it contains something I have been ?persuading? myself I do not need.  Come on, my friend, give me a break.  How can I ignore when you keep coming up with these great reviews.  And I am sure that box contains your next review source.

Tinker


Tinker you are right on all three accounts....Sorry, get your Festool Visa ready.
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« Reply #52 on: June 04, 2008, 08:15 PM »
Brice... nice review.  At this rate, I'll have to trade my Green Visa in for a Black American Express. 
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Re: The MFK 700 EQ, edge trimming router.
« Reply #53 on: June 05, 2008, 02:26 PM »
FYI,

I sent microfence and email asking if they had any plans for an adapter for the MFK-700. 
The response was they should have one within the next couple of weeks.

Brice, I'm enjoying your review and might just have to get yet another router.  Thanks.

~mark

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Re: The MFK 700 EQ, edge trimming router.
« Reply #54 on: June 05, 2008, 03:17 PM »

I sent microfence and email asking if they had any plans for an adapter for the MFK-700. 
The response was they should have one within the next couple of weeks.


That's good news! Thanks, Mark.


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Re: The MFK 700 EQ, edge trimming router.
« Reply #55 on: July 11, 2008, 03:31 PM »
I have an upcoming project involving a number of veneered panels.  After my stint at the Inside Passage school, I (like Eiji) like the idea of veneering the panels *after* I put the edgebanding on.  So if I buy the MFK 700, I would get the 0 degree horizontal base.  Has anyone used this yet , especially a similar technique to what I intend?

Thanks

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Re: The MFK 700 EQ, edge trimming router.
« Reply #56 on: July 13, 2008, 05:17 PM »
I make a frequent use of veneered maple and oak plywood (very thin veneer!) to which I apply 1/4" hardwood edging. For years I have used a Lamello Cantex lipping planer which does a perfect job of planing the edging flush to the veneer without digging into it. I recently bought an MFK700 for other purposes (round-overs and various edge treatments) and I love it. However, I experimented planing hardwood edging using the 1.5deg base and so far I have been disappointed with the results. First I find the adjustment very critical (with thin veneer). Too much in, and I dig into the veneer / too much out and I leave a small residue to be sanded or scraped away. Also any variation in the thickness of the edging material causes the bit to gouges into the veneer as it it registers against the thickness of the edging (the Lamello Cantex registers against the veneer and is extremely ease to adjust reliably). I don't know if I am missing something or if my technique leaves something to be desired but I am interested in the findings developping on this thread. My assessment so far is that the Cantex is way superior at lip-planing but is a single purpose tool. The MFK700 is a very versatile tool and the best lightweight router I have ever used. I am curious to learn about uses for the 1.5deg base,

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Offline polarsea1

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Re: The MFK 700 EQ, edge trimming router.
« Reply #57 on: July 14, 2008, 02:36 AM »
Has anyone else tried trimming solid wood edging with this machine? Results?

When I saw the MFK 700 I thought it would be perfect for that application.

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« Reply #58 on: July 15, 2008, 02:26 AM »
Nada???


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Re: The MFK 700 EQ, edge trimming router.
« Reply #59 on: July 15, 2008, 09:02 AM »
Has anyone else tried trimming solid wood edging with this machine? Results?

When I saw the MFK 700 I thought it would be perfect for that application.

The MFK is made for this application. With the 1.5 degree base trimming solid edging is easy.
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