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Title: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: constuctionman on January 25, 2015, 04:35 PM
Hi All,

Im taking the plunge (ha ha) from Makita to festool and wanted a little advice. I have been using all the cordless tools from Makita all 18v and love the cordless simplicity hence the question as the title says.

My questions are:
Has anyone used the cordless TSC55 and found it heavy?
I see its only half a kilo heavier than the plug in version. Is it powerful enough?

Is the power as good as the electronic version?
Im sure it is.

Are there any disadvantages of the battery version?

Im buying quite a few tools to replace my Makita range so any advice would be much appreciated. List included.

Chop Saw:Kapex KS 120 E GB.
Plunge Saw: TSC 55/TS55 Plunge cut saw.
Jig Saw: Carvex PSBC 420 Li 18
Guide Rail FS 3000/2 £259.56
Lever Clamp FS-HZ 160 £48.12
Table and side extensions
Stand UG Kapex
Festool Crown Stop
Router: OF 1010 GB 1/4
Drill: T18 impact drill driver
FS rapid clamp

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Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: D1llig4f on January 25, 2015, 05:10 PM
I can't help you much on your question as I don't have the tsc55 just the ts55 and I couldn't do without it.

Reading through your list I just wanted to point out that the crown stops won't work with the ug stand. The alternative is to purchase brackets from multiblades.com http://multiblades.com/kapex/ka-ugbracket.html (http://multiblades.com/kapex/ka-ugbracket.html)

These connect to the ug wings and imo is a much better solution than the crown stops as it provides support across the workpiece.
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: Birdhunter on January 25, 2015, 08:34 PM
Please clarify the comment about the crown stops not working with the UG stand.
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: D1llig4f on January 26, 2015, 02:49 AM
The crown stop and the ug wings both clamp onto the v groove on the kapex. If you have the ug wings installed you are unable to use the crown stop or vice versa.
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: Kev on January 26, 2015, 05:02 AM
The TSC is noticeably bulkier than the TS (but hey ... no cords!)

The TSC will chew through the batteries, but it does have heaps of power - I was very pleasantly surprised.

Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: mackenzie on January 26, 2015, 12:02 PM
I opted for the TSC55; this was from a position of not having a circular saw period.  With hindsight, it would have been a better idea to have gone for the TS55.

How do you intend to use the saw?
Might sound silly but if you always plan to use the saw with a dust extractor then it makes perfect sense to go with the TS55 because you are already dealing with an "umbilical chord" so by adding an extension chord along with the dust extractor hose, it's no big deal.  You can use insulation tape or something to attach the cable to the dust extractor hose thus limiting the entanglement issue.

If you plan to use the saw as a genuinely cordless device by utilising the dust bag then the TSC55 is the one to go for.

Having had time to digest my purchase and use the TSC55, I can see it's a wonderful saw that cuts just as well as the TS55.  If you/I intend on having only one circular saw then the TS55 makes more sense - the TSC55 is great as an addition to the TS55 for tradesmen especially who work with wood all day every day and need to make quick cuts in a loft or to do a small job in a house to save lugging the dust extractor inside.

Much the same way owning a Senco fusion gun is great for small jobs to save lugging a compressor to the job but I'm less sure you'd want it as your primary nailer, maybe if you had multiple batteries it becomes feasible but it's yet another battery platform.

The TSC55 does eat batteries in my experience and you need 4 to use it comfortably all day.  My comment is based on cutting 18mm plywood and wishing I had 2 more batteries.

Another consideration is if you plan to buy into the Festool 18v battery platform?  If the answer is no perhaps the TS55 is a better choice but if you plan to buy a couple of 18v Festool drills then it might help your decision because like with your existing Makita tools you can cycle the batteries between any of the tools in that range.

No one solution, have a think about how you intend on using the saw.

Thank you
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: constuctionman on January 26, 2015, 03:02 PM
Hi All,

Thank you for all your helpful replies.

I do intend to buy into the cordless Festool range (see list) so the cordless saw is right up my street. I work at the moment with the Makita 18v cordless range and find them really good but looking forward to the Festool range. A couple of mates that work in the area have the Festool range of tools and they used to use all the Makita range and have never looked back.

Having trouble in the UK to get all the kit I want…ill keep you posted.

Items wanted:
Chop Saw:Kapex KS 120 E GB
Table and side extensions
Stand UG Kapex
Plunge Saw: TSC 55
Jig Saw: Carvex PSBC 420 Li 18
Guide Rail FS 3000/2
Lever Clamp FS-HZ 160 £48.12
Router: OF 1010 GB 1/4
Drill: T18 impact drill driver
FS rapid clamp
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: neeleman on January 26, 2015, 03:42 PM
On the items wanted list there is a T 18 impact drill driver.
I think you mean T 18+3 drill driver. And that is a very fine dill but NOT an impact driver!

Festool did have an TI 15 Impact driver but that's recently been discontinued.
And the Festool PDC 18/4 is only a light percussion drill.

We are all waiting on a TI 18 Impact Drill but may be that's wishful thinking?
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: fshanno on January 26, 2015, 10:35 PM
One of these days one of the big tool makers is going to break down and offer a battery emulator for their cordless tool line.  Plug in the emulator and the coal pile down at the power plant becomes your battery.  That's a lot of amp hours. 

That would pretty much make your question disappear.  You buy the cordless of course.  Heck, Festool could offer the emulator and simply stop making the corded saw.

I'm surprised some enterprising outfit hasn't done this already.  They could offer a unit for each of the major cordless tool manufacturers.  It's not trivial but certainly doable.  I can see someone like Fluke in that game.  Their parent, Tektronix has all sorts of heavy weight capability in it's various companies and huge stable of patents to boot.
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: Mavrik on January 27, 2015, 12:53 AM
Shew. That's a good idea. Isn't it as simple as providing an 18v DC source? Having a unit shaped like a battery, but actually a power supply with a plugit socket in it
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: adcolor on January 27, 2015, 02:07 AM
Now that's funny.  An emulator.

Coming from a different direction I did just that a few years ago.  The idea came from an Instructables article.
I had an old Porter-Cable 12v drill (remember Magnaquench?).  Great in its day, but not worth new batteries. I took and old battery pack, a ~20' extension cord, and a connector for the trailer port on my truck.  Worked great for drilling holes in a new fence I was putting up.  It works for about any DC powered tool, as the truck supplies more current than any of the battery packs do.

It's not a large stretch to make a battery pack with a rectifier and voltage regulator that would work.  Might be a bit heavier, but a lot cheaper than battery packs when you need extended run time.

Oops-- there you have it!
Until one of the major tool brands does it, then within a year they all will.
 
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: David Miles on January 27, 2015, 10:07 AM
Hi, I also have a mix of Makita and Festool, a TS55REQ and a Makita SP6000 I like the Makita saw much better it is smoother, easy to use, more power, to me all round better, 1mm score cut very good, Better tracks and the bag is very much better padded and tougher.   Dust collection is also good. It is good to have a mix of tools. Regards.
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: ach_78 on January 28, 2015, 07:31 PM
Since that's a TS55 v TSC55 thread, I would be curious to learn about the TSC55 motor noise versus the funky TS55 "rattle" noise.

Is the TSC55 sound smoother ? Louder or softer ?
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: Mavrik on January 28, 2015, 11:03 PM
The "rattle" noise isn't a problem; it's the speed control in action. Having said that, because it "feels" the same as something broken it is hard to persuade the brain that something isn't broken
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: Larso on January 29, 2015, 03:08 AM
I have both and would buy both again but the batteries dont last as long as they should imo and it can bog down in a cut pretty easily.No big deal but worth considering and if you can only have one or the other i would stick with the plugged version.
I only carry the cordless in my work truck and it has more than earnt its space in a pretty short time.

I also use the Makita  18V cordless range and would not be without them,the new brushless tools are excellent.You can even get an adapter for the circular saw to run on the track which is really handy.
The brushless jigsaw is equal to or better than festool one.I have both and like them both but if i had to choose one the makita would be the one.
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: constuctionman on January 29, 2015, 04:14 PM
Thanks again for your thoughts.

Interesting that you have both Makita and Festool Larso, The Makita tools are very good too…Ill let you all know how I get on. Still waiting for the order [huh]
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: constuctionman on January 30, 2015, 03:09 PM
On the items wanted list there is a T 18 impact drill driver.
I think you mean T 18+3 drill driver. And that is a very fine dill but NOT an impact driver!

Festool did have an TI 15 Impact driver but that's recently been discontinued.
And the Festool PDC 18/4 is only a light percussion drill.

We are all waiting on a TI 18 Impact Drill but may be that's wishful thinking?

Thanks for your reply. Yes I did think this was an impact driver with in the drill package. Wonder why they discontinued the T15…?
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: tino_ale on March 02, 2017, 06:04 PM
Hi all,

The TSC 55 has now been out for a while, I'd be interested to have feedback on side by side comparison between the cordless and the corded version (TS 55 REBQ)

- is the cordless version as powerfull as the corded (when two 18V batteries are in)
- does it sound different, better, quieter ? (maybe because of the brushless motor)
- is the electronic brake as efficient as on the corded version
- how does the bag dust collection compares to a dust extractor connected to the corded version

I have a TS55REBQ and might have an opportunity to upgrade to the cordless version and I would be using it with the dust bag. I would like to know exactly what I might regret...

Thanks
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: neilc on March 02, 2017, 06:14 PM
Can't answer your power question.  But I can answer my experience with the bag.

I have the bag retrofit option on my TS55 and find that it does a good job.  Not quite as much collection as a dust collector, but much better than no bag or collector at all.  I do like the flexibility of not having the hose in the way on some cuts, however. 
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: Holmz on March 03, 2017, 02:23 AM
The "rattle" noise isn't a problem; it's the speed control in action. Having said that, because it "feels" the same as something broken it is hard to persuade the brain that something isn't broken

The Iranians thought the same with their stuxnet virus.
It doss not sound great to rattle the speed.
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: SRSemenza on March 03, 2017, 11:19 AM
Hi all,

The TSC 55 has now been out for a while, I'd be interested to have feedback on side by side comparison between the cordless and the corded version (TS 55 REBQ)

- is the cordless version as powerfull as the corded (when two 18V batteries are in)
- does it sound different, better, quieter ? (maybe because of the brushless motor)
- is the electronic brake as efficient as on the corded version
- how does the bag dust collection compares to a dust extractor connected to the corded version

I have a TS55REBQ and might have an opportunity to upgrade to the cordless version and I would be using it with the dust bag. I would like to know exactly what I might regret...

Thanks

Hi,

    I haven't cut anything more than 3/4" plywood or hardwood with the TSC but the power seemed the same  on those cuts.

   I have not compared the sound but the TSC hasn't given me any reason to notice either. So I guess that's  good.

   I find the dust bag is a nice option. It collects very well but not as well as the vac.

    I am not sure I would call it an upgrade, more of a move across to the same saw with different capabilities do to being cordless.


Seth
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: demographic on March 03, 2017, 12:46 PM
Personally I view the TS saw as more of a workshop or site with power type tool (especially now more sites require on tool extraction if you are working inside and cordless tools don't autostart the extractor) but if I was going for sites without power or outside its got to be a HKC 55,

I have the TS 55 and a HKC 55 and have to say that the HKC is one heck of a tool. Far more versatile than I thought it would be.
Battery life could be better but its nice and light, plus its an absolute game changer when it comes to cutting repeatable angles.

False stringers for concrete staircases, roof trusses, pipe boxing, even skirting boards that are too deep to fit in my compound mitre saw.
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: Cheese on March 03, 2017, 02:17 PM
Possibly a good source is @Edward A Reno III, I believe he owned both and used both on his video set project.  [big grin]
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: Cheese on March 03, 2017, 02:23 PM

I have the TS 55 and a HKC 55 and have to say that the HKC is one heck of a tool. Far more versatile than I thought it would be.


I agree, where I would normally reach for the TS 55 and a vac, I'm now grabbing the HKC and the dust bag. I have everything I need to make the cuts in 1-hand. [cool]
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: RickyL on March 19, 2017, 07:04 AM
The TSC is a pain with dust extraction so I always use the bag. The bag IMO is 90% as good as the dust extraction. Although I when using certain blades its struggles for some reason.

I think it has every bit as much power as the corded version and it sounds much better.

The TSC does eat batteries though.
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: Bob D. on March 19, 2017, 07:14 AM
One of these days one of the big tool makers is going to break down and offer a battery emulator for their cordless tool line.  Plug in the emulator and the coal pile down at the power plant becomes your battery.  That's a lot of amp hours. 

That would pretty much make your question disappear.  You buy the cordless of course.  Heck, Festool could offer the emulator and simply stop making the corded saw.

I'm surprised some enterprising outfit hasn't done this already.  They could offer a unit for each of the major cordless tool manufacturers.  It's not trivial but certainly doable.  I can see someone like Fluke in that game.  Their parent, Tektronix has all sorts of heavy weight capability in it's various companies and huge stable of patents to boot.

DeWalt does offer a battery eliminator for their 120V portable SCMS which runs off a pair of their new 60V FlexVolt batteries. The tool uses two 60V batteries but comes with an adapter that will power it from the mains. Strangely they brought out a 60Volt table saw at the same time but do not offer a battery eliminator for the table saw. I also thought it strange they went with a dual battery configuration on the SCMS but only a single battery on the TS. The 60V FlexVolt batteries can also be used in their 20Max tools, the battery configures itself to the correct voltage depending on what tool it is connected to.

At any rate I have been saying for years the same as you in that I am surprised that no one has brought to market battery eliminators for various cordless tools after all this time.
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: Bob D. on March 19, 2017, 10:25 AM
I have been looking at the TSC 55 also. Looking to replace
my DeWalt Track Saw and also go cordless at the same time.

If I do then I could replace my cordless CS and the DeWalt track saw.

My question though is the TSC 55 available now or not until April which
I know is only a few days away but still curious as I would like to pick up
the saw and some other goodies this week if possible.
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: ScotF on March 19, 2017, 06:13 PM
I have been using the TSC for the last few months and it has become my go-to track saw - it is very powerful for a battery operated tool and it has not slowed down or struggled with any cuts - I have made lots of cuts in 8/4 walnut for a dining set I am making and it has performed flawlessly. The TS55, although I do not have one (but used it in Festool class) seemed under-powered to me. Not so with the TSC. I do own and have used my TS75 extensively and now that I have the TSC, that has become my saw of choice. It is so nice to be able to cut without hoses or power cords getting caught on the track and it is very light-weight. Batteries have lasted for a long time, but I did buy an extra set to allow for all day cutting. I am very happy with the saw and everything about it - no regrets whatsoever. And, I was close to pulling the trigger on a Mafell tracksaw when I acquired this one and I am glad that I went the cordless route.
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: ART at WORK on March 19, 2017, 07:29 PM
Hi,
I have both and use both in different situations,
Large sheet cut down = cordless less chance of catching the cord or hose.
MFT with vac undernieth and boom arm = corded.
The TSC has a higher pitch whinning noise but I would say quiter.
I would seriously think about what you need the Jigsaw for.
The carvex is not good at keeping a straight cut in thicker material.
The Carvex corded is light. the battery makes it heavy. I use the cordless a lot for cutting out complex forms where the cable and cord are often in the way. I sometimes rig up the dust extraction on the cordless. The capex is ok but the few times I used a Mafell it was clearly better with straight cuts.

Pip
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: neilc on March 19, 2017, 07:36 PM
@Bob D. - the new airstream batteries and chargers ship after April 3rd.  They apparently charge a bit faster than the currently shipping product.  I believe there is a new 6.2AH battery that will be available then.

The current TSC-55 with batteries ships with the 5.2 and I understand the new airstream version will also be 5.2 batteries.  You can always add 6.2 batteries for an extra set.  But for best performance in charging, you need a new charger and batteries.

So if that's important to you, it might make sense to place an order for delivery after April 3rd.

Also, even the battery-less cordless versions of tools have new product numbers that are effective after April 3rd due to new systainer inserts for the new chargers which are a slightly different size.

Hope this helps -

neil
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: Bob D. on March 19, 2017, 09:32 PM
Thanks Neil, that answers my question. I have not looked into the details of the new batteries and chargers but I do dread something about them and have a basic understanding of the differences.

Anyone know if the new air stream batteries can be charged with older (non air stream) chargers?
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: neilc on March 20, 2017, 08:49 AM
Yes, from posts on the FOG from dealers,


- new Airstream chargers can charge older batteries, but not at the faster rate.

- Airstream batteries can be charged on the old chargers but not at the faster rate.


You need both to see the charging advantage but lose no compatibility as I read it, except for a size difference of the charger. 
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: ach_78 on February 06, 2018, 10:41 AM
Hi,

I have a TS 55 R and just got myself a TSC 55 with a pair 5.2 airstream batteries with SCA 8 airstream charger.

My observations are as follow :
- I timed the charge from empty : 25 min to 80%, and then 25min more to 100%
- The TSC sounds a little quieter, which is in fact not true (sound meter showed the TSC actually marginally lourder). I think that's the result of the smoother sound it makes. Every TS 55 owner knows the "rattling" noise it makes, well the TSC does not do that.

I tested both saws with the same (brand new) 48 teeth blade.

On a 40mm solid oak crosscut I found :
- both produce a polished cut
- the offcut is very slightly scuffed with the TS 55

On a 30mm rip cut :
- the TSC still produce a polished cut, shows the slightest amount of scufs on the offcut, as if it had a minor toe-out adjustment
- the TS 55 has small scufs on both the cut and the offcut, as if it has some toe-in

Those difference may very well be exclusively the effect of toe adjustment. Or it could also be the result of the TSC running smoother. I think the test is not conclusive on the matter of TS vs. TSC.

The TSC felt every bit as powerfull as the TS 55. It actually felt marginally less bogged down by the load. The e-brake is strong and quick, the machine runs smooth, it is such a refined tool.

Now the down side :
- eats batteries fast
- weights more but I don't mind, it's running on a track anyway
- the systainer is huge and the saw will not fit if the zero clearance insert is left on. They should have made a low profile knob to fix this, it is kinda silly as it is
- I usually hold the rail on the left where the top channel is, to prevent any shift during cut. With the TSC it is much harder to do this as the battery rides low and doesn't leave much clearance for your left hand to hold the track
- still no fine adjustment of the square stop at the back of the saw. There is a fine adjustment at the front which is a wellcome addition, but why not at the back ? BTW both my saws were out of square brand new.

Overall I really appreciate the smoother running motor and to avoid the annoyance of the cord and hose.
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: SoonerFan on February 06, 2018, 10:07 PM
Thanks for sharing your prespective.  Always appreciate input from those that have both TS models. 

Hi,

I have a TS 55 R and just got myself a TSC 55 with a pair 5.2 airstream batteries with SCA 8 airstream charger.

My observations are as follow :
- I timed the charge from empty : 25 min to 80%, and then 25min more to 100%
- The TSC sounds a little quieter, which is in fact not true (sound meter showed the TSC actually marginally lourder). I think that's the result of the smoother sound it makes. Every TS 55 owner knows the "rattling" noise it makes, well the TSC does not do that.

I tested both saws with the same (brand new) 48 teeth blade.

On a 40mm solid oak crosscut I found :
- both produce a polished cut
- the offcut is very slightly scuffed with the TS 55

On a 30mm rip cut :
- the TSC still produce a polished cut, shows the slightest amount of scufs on the offcut, as if it had a minor toe-out adjustment
- the TS 55 has small scufs on both the cut and the offcut, as if it has some toe-in

Those difference may very well be exclusively the effect of toe adjustment. Or it could also be the result of the TSC running smoother. I think the test is not conclusive on the matter of TS vs. TSC.

The TSC felt every bit as powerfull as the TS 55. It actually felt marginally less bogged down by the load. The e-brake is strong and quick, the machine runs smooth, it is such a refined tool.

Now the down side :
- eats batteries fast
- weights more but I don't mind, it's running on a track anyway
- the systainer is huge and the saw will not fit if the zero clearance insert is left on. They should have made a low profile knob to fix this, it is kinda silly as it is
- I usually hold the rail on the left where the top channel is, to prevent any shift during cut. With the TSC it is much harder to do this as the battery rides low and doesn't leave much clearance for your left hand to hold the track
- still no fine adjustment of the square stop at the back of the saw. There is a fine adjustment at the front which is a wellcome addition, but why not at the back ? BTW both my saws were out of square brand new.

Overall I really appreciate the smoother running motor and to avoid the annoyance of the cord and hose.
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: pettyconstruction on February 07, 2018, 12:50 AM
I love my TSC , I bought it as a basic tool ( no batteries or charger) and got those later.
I run the 6AH bats,and it works great.
Put tape on the arbor hole in guard, and the bag gets most of the dust.
I open the bag and suck out the dust with my CT,to keep the debris from getting airborne.
Overall, I find it to be a great saw.
My only comparison is a TS-75, so I can’t comment on Power,but it seems to do well.
Nice and lite and cord/hose free.
Charlie
P.S I have cut sheetgoods and composite decking with it,no hardwoods.


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Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: willips on February 08, 2018, 01:51 AM
Ripped 50 mm (2") Oak with a panther blade no problem.
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: OWKFEST on February 09, 2018, 10:30 PM
My 1st was the TS55 in 2000 it is a wonderful tool to have in my arsenal.  The big advantage is the reduction in dust! I also use the OF 2000 and sometimes its overkill for certain routing jobs, but I like it because its relatively quiet.  I really need to purchase the 1010.
Title: Re: TS55 v TSC55…?
Post by: ScotF on February 10, 2018, 12:36 AM
The TSC is a great saw - it has plenty of power for most cuts I have done with it and I also use a TS75. The bag fills up quickly, but works for several cuts in sheet goods. Hardwood it fills up much, much faster. It is one of my favorite tools and I recommend it. I have not had the issue of batteries going down overly fast - I do have a second set so if one goes out, I swap and the others charge before the other ones drain - at least so far. I am running standard batteries too.