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Offline Big Al

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Re: Video Review of Festool MFT System (495462 & 495565 & 495888)
« Reply #30 on: April 22, 2011, 02:12 AM »
Sparktrician,

Not sure if you've tried this but the fence clamp WILL work if you change the hole position on the clamp.  Unscrew the locking knob on top of the clamp, but be careful as there is a spring that likes to run out of the shop if it escapes.  There are two holes on the clamp.  I use the hole closest to the back of the fence.  My setup is as follows...

2 Qwas dogs in the last row of holes
Push fence against the dogs from behind the dogs.  This leaves a little bit of table top on the MFT 3 behind the fence, but not much.
Clamp down using the protractor head and the fence clamp on the back rail, not the left side rail. This only works for 90 degree cuts obviously, but we can always move the clamp to the side rail for angle cuts.

The fence clamp doesn't drop into the slot perfectly, but it does tighten down and lock the back fence in well.  Before I found out about the two holes, I simply used a clamp on the far end.

Of course, you'll still have to calibrate the saw, but I've found I like the extra width with this fence setting.  I don't have to remove it as often when it gets in the way of other projects...


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Re: Video Review of Festool MFT System (495462 & 495565 & 495888)
« Reply #31 on: April 22, 2011, 08:18 AM »
Sparktrician,

Not sure if you've tried this but the fence clamp WILL work if you change the hole position on the clamp.  Unscrew the locking knob on top of the clamp, but be careful as there is a spring that likes to run out of the shop if it escapes.  There are two holes on the clamp.  I use the hole closest to the back of the fence.  My setup is as follows...

2 Qwas dogs in the last row of holes
Push fence against the dogs from behind the dogs.  This leaves a little bit of table top on the MFT 3 behind the fence, but not much.
Clamp down using the protractor head and the fence clamp on the back rail, not the left side rail. This only works for 90 degree cuts obviously, but we can always move the clamp to the side rail for angle cuts.

The fence clamp doesn't drop into the slot perfectly, but it does tighten down and lock the back fence in well.  Before I found out about the two holes, I simply used a clamp on the far end.

Of course, you'll still have to calibrate the saw, but I've found I like the extra width with this fence setting.  I don't have to remove it as often when it gets in the way of other projects...




Cool idea!!!  There's always another way to get things done, and it's great to have input from others to learn from  Thanks!!! 

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Re: Video Review of Festool MFT System (495462 & 495565 & 495888)
« Reply #32 on: April 27, 2011, 01:59 AM »
Another thing I can't live without  [eek] ....Qwas dog and rail dogs.... They will save time.

Thanks for the video.

Cheers,
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Re: Video Review of Festool MFT System (495462 & 495565 & 495888)
« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2011, 12:22 PM »
Paul,

At a Festool event in Mpls. all the guys found your review and how to set up the table very helpful.

Thanks for your great reviews.

Cheers,
Steve
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Re: Video Review of Festool MFT System (495462 & 495565 & 495888)
« Reply #34 on: July 05, 2011, 07:50 PM »
Ah, very cool, Steve.  Of all reviews, I thought the MFT ones would be the least interesting, but they have far outpaced the others.  Not bad for "just a table with holes" :)
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Re: Video Review of Festool MFT System (495462 & 495565 & 495888)
« Reply #35 on: July 05, 2011, 09:23 PM »
Paul, great videos and great reviews!  You may consider quitting your day job.  [smile]

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Re: Video Review of Festool MFT System (495462 & 495565 & 495888)
« Reply #36 on: July 07, 2011, 07:49 PM »
I can tell you why, for me at least, I was most interested in the MFT video's Paul-Marcel.  I know what a drill is and I know what a router is...and I can picture one that's just better than competitors such that its worth the higher price tag.  I could not, however, picture how a "table with holes" was actually of use much less worth $600.  That's why I watched those vid's at least...i've watched the rest because your vids are great.

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Re: Video Review of Festool MFT System (495462 & 495565 & 495888)
« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2011, 03:35 PM »
   
2. Using the Mini-square, verify that the cut-away end of the fence lines up with the right side of the miter gauge.  

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This will provide 1 1/8” clear space between the end of the fence and the cut line in the MFT.  
 
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Sparktrician,

Thanks for taking the time to take Paul's work and applying it to the MFT/3.  Paul's video are great as it shows you how, but the still images are nice to have as reference while I do this mode to my MFT/3. My below question maybe me over thinking the thing as my table is on location and I wait (going on 3 weeks) for my back ordered Qwas dog's due to a supplier problem to the place I ordered them from.

I understand why you use the mini-square to aline the fence to the miter gauge. Well maybe I don't. I reason that we want the taller portion of the rail in contact with the miter gauge, as apposed to the lower trimmed part of the fence is there any other reason?.

I also don't understand how that alignment, will "ensure" as you state in the next image "This will provide 1 1/8” clear space between the end of the fence and the cut line in the MFT."? My Miter gauge can attach anywhere along the back rail of the MFT/3 (let's not talk about day one with the toy that I nipped into the top of the fence [eek] because it was past the cutting edge of the rail). There is only the stop in the back tack at 8 3/4' from the right (when looking from the front) that the trail hinge bracket uses. As you don't have a tape attached to fence it is not really an issue during your set up as long as the rail end in not in harms way of the TS blade.

So did you just pick 1 1/8” as what you wanted to use. Or is that a measure that if I get the fence closer to the cut line I could loose some functionality?

I see mostly using the fence for 90 degree cuts. I will also be adding the Starrett measure to the fence as Paul did, to speed up cuts. To achieve placing the fence both square and accurately aline the tape quickly. I see that if I mount the tape so that the 24" MDF will just stick out 1 1/8” (or the measurement of my choice?) from the end of the fence and use that. I do see that if I do use the miter and move the fence to make the swing, using the mini-square will give me a fast alinement of the scale back to accurate and then use the bock to double check.

I will also be adding the offcut fence as Paul did latter. He has that fence set at 7/8" from the blade. I can't tell from his video or from his blog how close he put the fence to the blade from the left side of the TS blade. Having a shorter block that will set completely on the MFT top to get first set up is going to be easier and can be used on either side to do a quick check.

I'm really looking forward to the offcut fence. From the first day when I want to cut off several 1.5" strip of material to use as shims and had to add 2.5mm for the cut and wanted repeatability. Also bought the table from Rockler and was told to set up the table by sliding the rail holders in from the right side... as in the short side...  Not the correct left side... Ahhhhh

Thanks guys doing the heavy lifting on this setup.

Cheers,
Steve
« Last Edit: December 09, 2011, 03:38 PM by Steve R »
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Re: Video Review of Festool MFT System (495462 & 495565 & 495888)
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2011, 09:09 AM »
I understand why you use the mini-square to aline the fence to the miter gauge. Well maybe I don't. I reason that we want the taller portion of the rail in contact with the miter gauge, as apposed to the lower trimmed part of the fence is there any other reason?.


The objective is to keep the elevated portion of the fence entirely on the miter gauge for better rigidity.

I also don't understand how that alignment, will "ensure" as you state in the next image "This will provide 1 1/8” clear space between the end of the fence and the cut line in the MFT."? My Miter gauge can attach anywhere along the back rail of the MFT/3 (let's not talk about day one with the toy that I nipped into the top of the fence [eek] because it was past the cutting edge of the rail). There is only the stop in the back tack at 8 3/4' from the right (when looking from the front) that the trail hinge bracket uses. As you don't have a tape attached to fence it is not really an issue during your set up as long as the rail end in not in harms way of the TS blade.

So did you just pick 1 1/8” as what you wanted to use. Or is that a measure that if I get the fence closer to the cut line I could loose some functionality?
 

It's entirely arbitrary on my part to keep the fence back away from the cut line to prevent unnecessary "field modifications". 

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« Last Edit: December 10, 2011, 09:11 AM by Sparktrician »
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Re: Video Review of Festool MFT System (495462 & 495565 & 495888)
« Reply #39 on: December 12, 2011, 09:19 PM »
First of all, thanks Paul for yet another great review!

Next, just as an FYI:  To those who own the older MFT 1080 or 800, the clamps used by Paul to secure the fence to the rear rail (originally used on the end of the fence...) are not in the Festool catalogue, nor are they shown as an assembly on Ekat.  The individual components are shown, but not the assembly.  :-\   A quick call to Chris at Festool Service reveals that there IS indeed a part number for the assembly.  Order part #120 (yep, that's all) and the service dept. will assemble the components and send it out, all for a grand total of $6.00

Hope that helps somebody...

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Re: Video Review of Festool MFT System (495462 & 495565 & 495888)
« Reply #40 on: December 12, 2011, 09:23 PM »
George,

Welcome to the FOG!  Great news for 1080 owners!  Thanks for sharing.

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Re: Video Review of Festool MFT System (495462 & 495565 & 495888)
« Reply #41 on: January 14, 2012, 08:14 PM »
I received my MFT/3 TS 55 combo from Bob just yesterday.  I used the two rails connected to trim the rubber strip in the middle then connected the uncut ends to finish it off.  I used my two Qwas dogs and a true cut 1.5" wide and 36" long poplar to square the guide rail to the holes then used just the dogs to square the fence to those holes and I could not believe how accurate my initial cuts were.  I bought the poplar lumber from Lowes and the ends looked very rough.  My first use of the saw was to trim a little off the ends and WOW the cut was smooth enough to seem as if the ends were sanded to 150 or so.  I also intend to use the kerf in the top as a reference line to make future cuts.  My first job for the saw/table was to break down the workbench the MFT is replacing.  The legs were laminated 2x4s and cut through one side 1mm into the bottom 2x4 flipped lined up the kerf lines the run again to cut through 3" material, and very little guessing and it ended up perfect (for dumpster fodder).  Just for S&Gs I made a rip cut down the edge of one 2x4 removing a 1/8" scrap piece.  And just WOW; the edges were perfectly crisp and a super smooth cut overall. 

Just because of this video review I have the Starrett R to L  Imperial/Metric tape on its way for late next week.  Oh on a side note I already cut 2mm into the back v groove on the second use not keeping track of the relation between the plunge stop, rail height and stock thickness.  After that I'm going to be alot more conscious of how I do things.

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Re: Video Review of Festool MFT System (495462 & 495565 & 495888)
« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2012, 11:55 AM »
As a bungling amateur who lives in Switzerland, I have to be careful what I buy. Swiss houses are much smaller than their US counterparts, ditto their garages, so everything I buy has to be bought with good storage in mind, otherwise the car (a subcompact!) won't fit. My workbench is relatively small and somewhat awkwardly placed, so I considered this table. It is expensive for a work table, as in very expensive, but then, a bigger house with a bigger garage is even more so, so I bit an entire arsenal of bullets and bought one. I bought in in its homeland (Germany), where it's (a) cheaper, and (b) I can get back the German value-added tax (19%). I tried to be naughty and avoid the Swiss VAT (8%) by bringing it across the border at a checkpoint that the Swiss didn't man at the weekend, but, alas, the German Zollbeamter made me fill in a declaration form and post it in the empty Swiss border post!

Initially, I went through the "what have I done??" agony, having spent all this money on a new toy. But then I started to use it - and suddenly I started to wonder how on earth I had ever managed without one. It's a nice height, workpieces can be clamped firmly on the surface, and the hinged rail makes crosscut sawing such a breeze. I'm constantly finding new uses for it, and the old workbench is now relegated to holding the tools I need, while all the action takes place on the MFT/3. Festool might not make the cheapest things around, but it certainly produces amazingly useful things.

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Re: Video Review of Festool MFT System (495462 & 495565 & 495888)
« Reply #43 on: October 22, 2013, 08:23 PM »
First of all, thanks Paul for yet another great review!

Next, just as an FYI:  To those who own the older MFT 1080 or 800, the clamps used by Paul to secure the fence to the rear rail (originally used on the end of the fence...) are not in the Festool catalogue, nor are they shown as an assembly on Ekat.  The individual components are shown, but not the assembly.  :-\   A quick call to Chris at Festool Service reveals that there IS indeed a part number for the assembly.  Order part #120 (yep, that's all) and the service dept. will assemble the components and send it out, all for a grand total of $6.00

Hope that helps somebody...

I must be missing something...The fence clamp for the MFT/3 is $58!  Why is it ten times the price of the clamp for the 1080?

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Re: Video Review of Festool MFT System (495462 & 495565 & 495888)
« Reply #44 on: October 22, 2013, 10:25 PM »
Maybe give Festool USA a call to order the part. Maybe the listing you are seeing at $58 is for a larger assembly including a fence unit and something else.  Dunno.  That seems more like the price of the whole thing (clamps, fence, flag stop, etc) back on the 1080.
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Re: Video Review of Festool MFT System (495462 & 495565 & 495888)
« Reply #45 on: October 22, 2013, 10:36 PM »
Maybe give Festool USA a call to order the part. Maybe the listing you are seeing at $58 is for a larger assembly including a fence unit and something else.  Dunno.  That seems more like the price of the whole thing (clamps, fence, flag stop, etc) back on the 1080.

You would think it was for the whole thing, but...

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« Reply #46 on: October 23, 2013, 01:10 AM »
Wow, crazy, and I couldn't even see the gold and platinum on those...
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Re: Video Review of Festool MFT System (495462 & 495565 & 495888)
« Reply #47 on: January 23, 2017, 10:03 AM »
Following up on Paul-Marcel's review of the MFT system, I took it upon myself to create a calibration method similar to the one that Paul-Marcel did for the MFT 1080, but for the MFT/3. 

Calibrating the MFT/3's fence to the Guide Rail


Thanks for taking the time to do this!
But, all of the links to the larger photos are dead.  I'd love to be able to see the larger photos to go along with your great write up.  Do they still exist somewhere else?

Thanks

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Re: Video Review of Festool MFT System (495462 & 495565 & 495888)
« Reply #48 on: January 29, 2017, 12:15 AM »
@coezoo

Photos from older threads were toasted when the forum was revamped a few years back (someone else, like @Shane Holland  will be able to give the exact date).
 
Following up on Paul-Marcel's review of the MFT system, I took it upon myself to create a calibration method similar to the one that Paul-Marcel did for the MFT 1080, but for the MFT/3. 

Calibrating the MFT/3's fence to the Guide Rail


Thanks for taking the time to do this!
But, all of the links to the larger photos are dead.  I'd love to be able to see the larger photos to go along with your great write up.  Do they still exist somewhere else?

Thanks
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« Reply #49 on: January 29, 2017, 09:54 AM »
Photos from some older threads were lost around mid-2015. I was no longer the forum administrator then so I don't have details on why they were lost or deleted.
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« Reply #50 on: January 29, 2017, 10:19 AM »
Not official Festool here but the information in the database appears to be missing the images from 2013 back.  Images uploaded by members are not accessible anymore in the database.

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