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Offline Cabenth

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I don't remember every buying a sander (and I own older sanders from Makita, Rockwell (really old), and Dewalt) that included any sandpaper. I wouldn't even expect it.

I wouldn't expect it either, of a $75 to $150 sander, but the RO90 is a BIT more than that, I feel it's reasonable to expect a little more, perhaps 1 each of a progression, 10 total.

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Offline Tinker

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When i started wit my first Festoy sander, i got several different grits in progression starting with 80 grit up to 180.  The problem i discovered was that i did not get the progression in one type, such as Rubin.  Each step up was a different type and I was running into somewhat non satisfaction with my progressions, especially in the lower grades.

By the time i was wearing out packages (I got everything for the 150 in 5 and 10 packs.), I was beginning to understand a little more about what each grade and grit was good for.  My biggest problem was with Rubin.  That seemed to not cut wood as well as elected in the lower grits and it did not seem to last as long as i had hoped.  Once i found grant, I discovered that the RO 150 was a much better sander that i had even dreamed of.  I now have Granat in grits starting at 40, progressing by steps 0f 20 grits up to 100. 

In the past, i found I used a lot more paper in the lower grits as I was sort of getting inpatient until I got to the higher grits.  I now go thru the steps with Granat in much less time, far less impatience and a disc seems to last forever.  By the time i get to the higher grits, I am even using less paper there as the ground work has gone a lot smoother.  I am able to use up my old stocks of Rubin with better results.

I am currently working on a serving tray for THE BOSS while she is away on other side of the big pond.  I sanded the whole tray starting with 60 grit Grant.  actually, i started with 60 grit Rubin and was starting to get impatient.  I was only doing the sides and using the Festoy sanding block that is configured to use a full 150 disc.  I was trying to get rid of saw marks. I had used Bandsaw to rip two of the sides.  They were dead on straight, but with tooth marks. I finally changed over to a disc of Granat 60 and wow! what a difference.  I had intended to use my LS 130, but those marks disappeared so fast doing by hand, i never did take the 130 out of its systainer. Once those tooth marks were gone, the higher grits were easy and fast no matter which type of paper I used.
Tinker
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Offline SPM in King

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Shane,

I sand a lot of domestic hardwood table tops.  I have had luck with Rubin, but a am slowly moving to Garnat.  When purchased in bulk, the price differential is minimal.

I often fill areas with epoxy mixed with wood dust.  Both the above papers clog quiet rapidly when used at high speed, so I have been turning the speed all the way down to extend the life of the disk.  I typically use 80 or 120 grit for this.  Is there a better disk for this application?

Thanks.
Steve

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Offline SRSemenza

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Shane,

I sand a lot of domestic hardwood table tops.  I have had luck with Rubin, but a am slowly moving to Garnat.  When purchased in bulk, the price differential is minimal.

I often fill areas with epoxy mixed with wood dust.  Both the above papers clog quiet rapidly when used at high speed, so I have been turning the speed all the way down to extend the life of the disk.  I typically use 80 or 120 grit for this.  Is there a better disk for this application?

Thanks.

Hi,

   Welcome to the forum!  [smile]

      How has turning the speed down worked out? I have not sanded epoxy, but my guess is that Granat will be the best choice.  Although if you can get your hands on some of the discontinued Cristal I would try that. It has a sparse grit distribution that allows more space between particles. It resists clogging on potentially gummy stuff quite well. I would slow the speed for Cristal as well. Also keeping the sander moving , regardless of abrasive , will help prevent the material from heating up and getting soft.  Check in stores and with dealers, and Ebay for some Cristal. Somebody might still have some.

Seth

Offline SPM in King

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Seth, slowing down helps, but ultimately epoxy is nasty stuff to sand.  Cleaning the disk with a crepe block before the epoxy starts to gum up also helps.  Once it actually melts, the disk is finished.  I will try to move around a bit more.  I can see how that would help/  We don't have a lot of dealers up in the frozen north, but I will look for some Cristal.

Thanks for the reply.
Steve

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Offline Samtor

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I have added a search tool to our website that will allow you to select your sander model, application and optionally preferred grit range. The website will then display abrasives that match your search criteria.

I hope you all find this useful.

http://www.festoolusa.com/abrasives

Shane

Hi Shane,
There seems to be 2 similar grits with different part numbers for Platin.

RO 90 DX (Round) Sander   S500   Super Fine   15   90 mm Diameter   Round   497426   -
RO 90 DX (Round) Sander   S500   Super Fine   15   90 mm Diameter   Round   498322   -
RO 90 DX (Round) Sander   S1000   Super Fine   15   90 mm Diameter   Round   497427   -
RO 90 DX (Round) Sander   S1000   Super Fine   15   90 mm Diameter   Round   498323   -

The official Festool website also has the similar issue but it lists the diameters as 80mm.

Could you help clarify.
Thanks.

Offline Zoofish

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When i started wit my first Festoy sander, i got several different grits in progression starting with 80 grit up to 180.  The problem i discovered was that i did not get the progression in one type, such as Rubin.  Each step up was a different type and I was running into somewhat non satisfaction with my progressions, especially in the lower grades.

By the time i was wearing out packages (I got everything for the 150 in 5 and 10 packs.), I was beginning to understand a little more about what each grade and grit was good for.  My biggest problem was with Rubin.  That seemed to not cut wood as well as elected in the lower grits and it did not seem to last as long as i had hoped.  Once i found grant, I discovered that the RO 150 was a much better sander that i had even dreamed of.  I now have Granat in grits starting at 40, progressing by steps 0f 20 grits up to 100. 

In the past, i found I used a lot more paper in the lower grits as I was sort of getting inpatient until I got to the higher grits.  I now go thru the steps with Granat in much less time, far less impatience and a disc seems to last forever.  By the time i get to the higher grits, I am even using less paper there as the ground work has gone a lot smoother.  I am able to use up my old stocks of Rubin with better results.

I am currently working on a serving tray for THE BOSS while she is away on other side of the big pond.  I sanded the whole tray starting with 60 grit Grant.  actually, i started with 60 grit Rubin and was starting to get impatient.  I was only doing the sides and using the Festoy sanding block that is configured to use a full 150 disc.  I was trying to get rid of saw marks. I had used Bandsaw to rip two of the sides.  They were dead on straight, but with tooth marks. I finally changed over to a disc of Granat 60 and wow! what a difference.  I had intended to use my LS 130, but those marks disappeared so fast doing by hand, i never did take the 130 out of its systainer. Once those tooth marks were gone, the higher grits were easy and fast no matter which type of paper I used.
Tinker
I've used Granat on limestone in the past with great results.




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« Last Edit: January 10, 2015, 01:05 AM by Zoofish »

Offline Tinker

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Do you use a CT when sanding(grinding?) limestone?
Does the dust clog your HEPA filters (if you have them on your model)
Tinker
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Offline Tom Bellemare

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Tinker:

I've used a Rotex 150 with Saphir for shaping and taking out saw marks on landscaping limestone slabs. It works great. Prior to Granat being available, I then switched to Rubin, just because I had a bunch of it, and went through the grits to about 120. At about 80, the fossils start to become really noticeable. At 120, they are quite prominent and it starts to feel silky.

I've always stopped there and sealed with teflon impregnated sealer. The next time, I think I'll try going to about 180 and see what I was missing... I'm also going to use Granat after the shaping.

I haven't used a CT yet - I just did it outside. Next time, I'll try dust extraction. I seriously doubt it will get past the bag (5 microns).


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Offline Tinker

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Tom, I wish I had known about Festoys when i was in MasonBiz.  Especially the sanders and CT's.  We used hammers & wedges to split stones.  Hammers and chisels to dimension. Also Grinders and carborundum blades on circular saws to cut to dimension and shape.  But no DC.  Just good face masks and goggles. A lot of guys used NO face (nose & eye) protection.  Polishing I had done in a shop where I bought my stone already dimensioned to specifications.

I did find lots of sedimentary type stones in the field (excavated as well as gathered from stone walls) with fossils imbedded. I am sure when you sanded around those fossils, you did not sand down into the depressions, but only the flat areas around the imprints if you wanted to save.  Some fossils could be quite graphic showing even the tiniest details in the stone. 

Even tho i no longer even THINK of cutting (or even lifting) stones, i am still interested in the methods used, especially the methods used since i quit the biz around 35 years ago.  there are a lot of new ideas and materials that have come along since '81 that used to be handled at quarries and supply shops.  Some of those, such as your polishing on site are now somewhat routine out in the field.

Tinker
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Offline jofuss55

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You know,Shane, this is very helpful and I wished that you had included it in the catalog. The last two revisions have seen the removal of items that should be there!
Just because a dealer is  deemed a woodworking outlet/retailer doesn't mean that the local painters don't call on them for abrasives, or the local metal workers or polishers for that matter. It hurts sales when valued customers can't get all the info from their local dealer.
Maybe this version of the catalog will be more inclusive, I hope so.

Offline Tinker

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You know,Shane, this is very helpful and I wished that you had included it in the catalog. The last two revisions have seen the removal of items that should be there!
Just because a dealer is  deemed a woodworking outlet/retailer doesn't mean that the local painters don't call on them for abrasives, or the local metal workers or polishers for that matter. It hurts sales when valued customers can't get all the info from their local dealer.
Maybe this version of the catalog will be more inclusive, I hope so.

Maybe a page with recommendations of best to use for various trades.  Even tho i no longer play with brick and stone, i still get asked about materials and methods quite often.  Others above, like jofuss55, have mentioned uses other than for wood, to use Festoy sanders and papers.

I have been amazed to have found thru several threads that Festool sanders have been used for concrete and stone.  My first reaction to the earliest questions concerning those materials has been to not even waste one's time (words to that effect).  I am slowly learning that such work can be done.  That was unheard of back when i was 38...

I still am not inclined to think of Festool sanders and discs as even a second choice for stone and concrete.  I am learning.  Actually, I learned to stay away from that work many moons ago  ::)
Tinker
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Great to find your post. Thank you

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Offline VW MICK

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yes

I found this very helpful in fact a Bit too helpful

it just relieved me of about £200 lol just couldn't decide what to get

Offline Foghat

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Thanks so much, this is exactlywhat I was looking for to help with several projects, and knowing where to start.
Saves lots of time and let's me get a much better idea of what to do.
Again, Thank you!

Offline ckurak

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I have been using Brilliant 2 P220 (496592) for years with my ETS150 for bare wood sanding just prior to spray painting. I ran out and am trying to order more. Your website app says this is the correct part number. But, everywhere I look it shows as "out of stock" or "Discontinued." Is this really true? And, if so, what is the replacement?

Thanks!

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@ckurak welcome to the forum. Yes Brilliant has been discontinued. Granat is the best replacement choice.
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I have been using Brilliant 2 P220 (496592) for years with my ETS150 for bare wood sanding just prior to spray painting. I ran out and am trying to order more. Your website app says this is the correct part number. But, everywhere I look it shows as "out of stock" or "Discontinued." Is this really true? And, if so, what is the replacement?

Thanks!

I purchased a bunch of Brilliant2 from Tool Nut (Festool products.com), several months ago when it was on clearance sale.  You might try Bob Marino, or even Amazon.com.

Here is a link I found for 180 grit Brilliant2 150 in a quick google search, although the price seems a little high for a discontinued product.  It will be harder to find what you need, but there are many dealers in the United States, and I'm sure someone has what you need (and if your lucky, it will be at a clearance price).

http://hardwarespot.com/brillant-2-p180-abrasive-6-dia-100-pack-by-festool-496591.html?gclid=CjwKEAjwydK_BRDK34GenvLB61YSJACZ8da36AZ0QjWkOsPWtY52udNn-5CQxJblS6YfufjR6cjCfBoCmBnw_wcB
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Offline eliyaregister

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Yeah, it is really helpful, thank you

Offline Midnight Man

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I wanted to take a moment to see whether it's just me that is unable to load the link for this abrasive search (http://www.festoolusa.com/abrasives), or whether perhaps there are geo blocks on the site - I am based in Australia, and I am not aware of a similar tool available on the AU site, so was hoping to use the US based site to determine which abrasives to purchase.

Unfortunately, whenever I try and load the page, I'm getting a "Page cannot be displayed" error :(

Offline mattmass

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The tool is awesome! Are the two hand-sanding blocks (496962 and 496964) not covered, or am I just using it wrong?

Offline Midnight Man

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I wanted to take a moment to see whether it's just me that is unable to load the link for this abrasive search (http://www.festoolusa.com/abrasives), or whether perhaps there are geo blocks on the site - I am based in Australia

I did some further testing on this tonight, as I am still unable to load this page.

It seems there must be some type of geo restriction placed on the entire festoolusa.com site, as I cannot get to either the abrasives tool, nor the normal website (www.festoolusa.com).

I then tried accessing the page using a US based proxy server (this simply makes the website think I am in the USA as opposed to Australia) and the site loaded perfectly.

Would there be any chance that we could please get these geo restrictions removed, as I have now had a chance to look at this tool and it's absolutely fantastic!

If further technical information is required, I'd be delighted to help - this is what I do during the day to make coin to spend on Festool goodies ;)

Offline philiclese

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Seems to be an immortal thread, so what grit would you recommend for planex popcorn removal, hopefully followed by minimal touch up and then painting? Festool (or that online dealer) said 80 and 120 (no lower since I've never used and don't want to gouge) but I think he was referring to taking off popcorn and not finishing.  Can I use that heavier grit first and then follow up with 220 or 240 with the pad kit to avoid swirls and gouging before painting, or will it be down to drywall paper after the 80 or 120 so nothing left to finish? Thanks.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2017, 06:45 PM by philiclese »

Offline Midnight Man

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Just a quick post to say thank you to whomever it was that opened up this tool for those of us in Australia - it's truly appreciated and an awesome resource!

Thank you for creating and sharing this :)

Offline ahegyes

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I own both the Bosch GEX150 Turbo and the Festool Rotex 150. The Festool sandpaper ir realy good but expensive, so I was serching for a cheaper alternative for the 17hole patern sandpaper that Festool has.  Till now I had no luck. Now - here it is, Bosch M480. I bought a set of 5 - 80grit for test. All I can say is: GREAT. It works perfectly with the 17hole pad, the dust colection is very good, I might say that is better than with the original Festool paper, and I belive it lasts as long as the Festool.

I do not know if the Bosch M480 is available in the US, I am from Europe. I paid around 5.5euros for a pack of 5 - 80grit - 150mm M480 sanpaper, and a pack of 50 is about 36euros - aprox. 40$. Where I live the Festool Granat 150mm costs about 65$ for the pack of 50. So, I belive the bosch M480 is good value.

Below is a picture with the M480 on my rotex.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2017, 03:55 AM by ahegyes »

Offline GarryMartin

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It's recommended that you use a "pad saver" when you use mesh/nets otherwise the hooks will wear down very quickly and normal hook and loop sanding sheets won't stay attached.

For your Rotex 150, you're looking at part numbers 499257 (pack of 2) or 496647 for the "Interface pad IP-STF D 150/17-MJ".

Offline ahegyes

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NO, no, no...... the Bosch M480 is a velcro type net - there is no need for any pad saver. It has velcro on the mesh and is compatible with any brand "hook and loop" (velcro) machine.

I did use the M480 for a few hours - and I had no problems with it.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2017, 05:19 AM by ahegyes »

Offline GarryMartin

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Good to know. Thanks for the clarification.

Offline Sanderxpander

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I can't seem to use the tool either :(
I'm in The Netherlands.