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« on: April 21, 2012, 08:33 PM » |
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something, if I get another C style drill vs. buying one of the T one's?
The C-15 is lighter then the T-15. I am not sure I have the need for the 18, my old C-12 has done everything I could ask a cordless drill to do.
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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2012, 08:49 PM » |
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I'd be inclined to say "no" since you already have a C series and like the configuration. We had C-12's and got one T-15 when they first came out. I really liked the power of the 15 over the C12's but my go to drill was always still the C12. I waited on those C-15's for what seemed like forever to finally become available and I wasn't disappointed. They have gobs of power that the C-12 just doesn't have and the LED light and controls make a difference for the better too!
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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2012, 09:55 PM » |
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I don't think so. To me it's simply a matter of ergonomics. If you like the C15 ergonomics, go for that. If you prefer the T style, get that one. I love my C15 and a truly think the ergonomics are Superior to the T's but that's just IMHO. Otherwise, the specs are pretty much identical
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2012, 04:27 AM » |
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The C-15 is lighter then the T-15.
Not sure why you'd think the C15 is lighter than the T15, because it is the other way around. C15 = 1,6 kg an T15 = 1,5 kg. Not that it matters, difference is negligible. I don't think so. To me it's simply a matter of ergonomics. If you like the C15 ergonomics, go for that. If you prefer the T style, get that one. I love my C15 and a truly think the ergonomics are Superior to the T's but that's just IMHO. Otherwise, the specs are pretty much identical
Yup, what he said. Except for the Superior part of course, which is also the other way around.  |
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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2012, 05:24 AM » |
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I went for the T15 without giving it much if any thought between the C15, and looking back i think i did the right thing.
My T15 feels totally balanced and very light for a drill of that category. I also have a CXS which has a C handle. That one isn't balanced at all, but thats not a problem since it's just 900 grams. With the jacobs chuck it does get noticeably nose heavy and even tends to tip over.
When i look at the C and T 15 i see that the T has the handle in the middle, and the C completely at the rear. It's a matter of elementary physics to realize the C will be heavier on the hand. The only advantage of the C's in my guess is that they won't snap in half as fast as a T drill would when dropped from extreme heights. And I've seen it happen on a Makita T
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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2012, 09:10 AM » |
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The C-15 is lighter then the T-15.
Not sure why you'd think the C15 is lighter than the T15, because it is the other way around. C15 = 1,6 kg an T15 = 1,5 kg. Not that it matters, difference is negligible. In the catalog, the C-15 is 1.6 Kg. The T-15 is listed as 1.62 Kg. I would like to go play with them, but I will not drive 3 hours round trip to go to a store the sells them. |
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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2012, 09:32 AM » |
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Here's my take on why the C ergonomics are better:
If I gave you a relatively thin stick with a heavy weight on each end and asked you to precisely place one of the weights on an exact spot, you would be able to do that better if you held the weight in your hand instead of holding the middle of the stick. With the C, you hold the body of the drill in your hand moreso than the handle, which gives you better control. Of course, YMMV and there are lots of differing opinions on this. With a very heavy drill, which the C15 is not, I think the T would indeed be less fatiguing over a period of time.
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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2012, 10:14 AM » |
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I own the CXS and have only held the other Festool drills at a training class. Because of the CXS I expected to really like the fit/feel of the C handles better than the T but was very surprised to find just the opposite. I really think it has to do with the size of your hand. The C didn't fit my small hand well, seemed awkward to trigger but the T felt really light. I say all this not because I know your hand is the same as mine but to consider getting them, finding the one you like, and sending the other back under the 30 day trial program. Like you, I'm hours away from a Festool store.
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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2012, 10:35 AM » |
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I have the T-15 and it's my favorite drill. I have large hands, and the drill fits me perfectly. I will replace my $99 12V Milwaukee with a CSX soon and my Bosch impact driver with a Festool impact.
For me the power, weight distribution and ability to work all day without loosing a charge definitely make it a drill worth the money. Oh and those attachments make working in tight areas a delight. I love using this drill.
Tim
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« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2012, 11:58 AM » |
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In the catalog, the C-15 is 1.6 Kg. The T-15 is listed as 1.62 Kg.
You have a very naughty catalogue. All websites list the T15 as 1,5 Kg. Here's my take on why the C ergonomics are better:
If I gave you a relatively thin stick with a heavy weight on each end and asked you to precisely place one of the weights on an exact spot, you would be able to do that better if you held the weight in your hand instead of holding the middle of the stick.
I'm sorry, but your theory defies logic. A simple calculation using physics laws could prove this. The task you mention would be far simpler by holding the stick in the middle. You don't even say which of the two weights you hold in your hand and which one you place on the wall. Of course, with the C15 you hold the back of the drill in your hand and put the front of it on the wall. This makes the distance between both weights the maximum distance and this situation would require the most force exerted to the back to move the front. But this counts only when we're talking about balance. Balance is not the only deciding factor in this case. A second factor to consider is force needed when driving/drilling. When balance is at stake, the T15 clearly wins, but when the pushing force during driving/drilling is considered, the C15 is more optimal, because your hand is better aligned with the direction of the force. With a very heavy drill, which the C15 is not, I think the T would indeed be less fatiguing over a period of time.
Of course this is the point where it doesn't really matter anymore. Listen, we can talk theoretical physics all day, but in the end the difference in used force is so small it makes no difference. So personally, I think it is big BS to talk about which ergonomics is really better or not from an absolute view, it just depends on personal preference. I think everybody could work just as well with either model. |
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« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2012, 03:31 PM » |
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In the catalog, the C-15 is 1.6 Kg. The T-15 is listed as 1.62 Kg.
You have a very naughty catalogue. All websites list the T15 as 1,5 Kg. Here's my take on why the C ergonomics are better:
If I gave you a relatively thin stick with a heavy weight on each end and asked you to precisely place one of the weights on an exact spot, you would be able to do that better if you held the weight in your hand instead of holding the middle of the stick.
I'm sorry, but your theory defies logic. A simple calculation using physics laws could prove this. The task you mention would be far simpler by holding the stick in the middle. You don't even say which of the two weights you hold in your hand and which one you place on the wall. Of course, with the C15 you hold the back of the drill in your hand and put the front of it on the wall. This makes the distance between both weights the maximum distance and this situation would require the most force exerted to the back to move the front. But this counts only when we're talking about balance. Balance is not the only deciding factor in this case. A second factor to consider is force needed when driving/drilling. When balance is at stake, the T15 clearly wins, but when the pushing force during driving/drilling is considered, the C15 is more optimal, because your hand is better aligned with the direction of the force. With a very heavy drill, which the C15 is not, I think the T would indeed be less fatiguing over a period of time.
Of course this is the point where it doesn't really matter anymore. Listen, we can talk theoretical physics all day, but in the end the difference in used force is so small it makes no difference. So personally, I think it is big BS to talk about which ergonomics is really better or not from an absolute view, it just depends on personal preference. I think everybody could work just as well with either model. Sorry, I'm not a physicist, I presume you are. Anyway, I'll stick to my position. Do you think you could more accurately touch a spot with your finger or a right angled stick? If you'd like to make a wager on that, let me know. The further your hand gets from the plane of the 2 contact points, the less accurate you will be. The longer the stick, the less accurate, the further from the aiming line your hand is, the less accurate, etc. etc.. I don't think I was talking about absolute terms. Actually, it's BS that everybody could work exactly as well with either model but this is not a big deal. Anyone who is a long time user of T handles drills at a high rate of frequency will most likely prefer them, it's a no brainer. That doesn't mean that a less experienced, less frequent user will not find the C somewhat easier to line up and push straight. BTW, the drill body is far heavier than the battery so, having your hand equidistant between the 2 will definitely not result in better operational balance in terms of accuracy but because the weight is held closer to the body's larger muscles - arm and shoulder, the reduction in leverage, would, like I said make a heavy drill somewhat more comfortable in the T configuration for extended use. If you read my first post, I did say it's just personal preference as to which ergonomic model the OP prefers. . |
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« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2012, 04:02 PM » |
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Guys, I really don't care how the universe will align when you grab a T or C. I was just wondering if the T's were cooler or something.
I drill holes and put screws in things, I like how I can hold the C in a bunch of ways.
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« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2012, 05:16 PM » |
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Sorry for getting wound up in the "physics"  . The T is not "cooler", it's just a drill as is the C. If you like your C and don't want to try out the T, just get the C and you'll be happy. |
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