Dogwood
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« on: May 20, 2012, 12:26 AM » |
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I'm talking about the RAS 115. This isn't a review but just some observations of mine and i believe some misconceptions of others and previously myself.
I had a stair and landing which needed the paint and deck coating removed altogether or at least to a level that would reliably take new paint or coatings. I needed some new abrasives and looked on the FOG abrasives thread and it says I think cristal, Titan, and saphir are best for this and rubin for bare wood (for a RAS). Here are some point for things I found:
-My dealer said they only had saphir and that he didn't know if the others would be good anyways. With the ras only doing one thing, removing stuff aggressively, you think you'd know and stock the couple types.
-I asked for extremely aggressive grit because it was going to be very tough and slow, they suggested 36 max otherwise it would tear apart the wood below and take forever to get rid of the marks.
-They said producing a flat surface would be tough as the ras is used with half the pad in a tilted manner.
-I mentioned that I had surprisingly good results with higher grits that I had with my ras. The dealer said that was not what it was intended for.
I'm not trying to sound negative about my dealer, in fact I say these things only because I pretty much agreed with or expected all the things above.
So, -The saphir seemed great. Don't think I could expect any better from an abrasive. Even the used and clogged papers I was throwing away still could be used if you wanted but they didn't "cut" the same way as new and so I needed to move onto new ones. -The first day I quickly realized the 36 grit was not aggressive enough. I had to use a speed of 6 for proper results and focus on not putting much pressure on otherwise the papers would gunk up and be so slow they were garbage. I got 24 the next day and it was much better. If there was a 10 I would have got that. The surprising thing was for example when I sanded the soft red cedar hand rails the ras didn't tear, cut, or leave any marks. In fact my rotex with twice the grit leaves terrible swirl marks without taking off much coating either. -while using it for 15 hrs in two days I realized that the ras is fine used flat to the workpiece. Just like the rotexes it takes time and a technique and once again the surprise was that it was even easier to control than my RO90. -I don't think festool accidentally made higher grit abrasives for the ras. Both here and elsewhere guys have said they use their rotex only in rotary mode unless above 120g or so and then only if using stain. The shinex is rotary and used to polish at a super fine level. Why is rotary only suitable to super coarse or super fine? I don't think it is. Using my ras with 24g on red cedar left a smooth surface ready for paint! I'm not joking.
Many people love the ras myself included. But I was surprised how many things I thought I knew about it that proved to be wrong after these two long days of sanding. Now this is absolutely my favorite sander and not the one trick pony I thought it was! PS- some parts of the stair had 12 coatings!
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MrMac
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« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2012, 10:58 AM » |
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Dogwood I hope you are using some sort of dust mask! all that old paint? who know's what it's made of.
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« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2012, 11:04 PM » |
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Dogwood,
I couldn't agree more with you. My dealer was no help when it came to the RAS115. After 15 hours of work with it on clear fir paneling with at least 8 coats of latex I came to appreciate this sander. I finished the wood with a quick pass with the ETS 150/5 with 120 and 180 grit and was done. Like all festool it takes time to fully appreciate the potential of each of their tools.
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Dogwood
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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2012, 04:59 PM » |
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I just used it again yesterday.
Put some 40g Granat on my RO90 and it was slow and left a lot of deep scratch patterns. Put a 24g Saphir on my rotex and boom- off came the deck coating with almost no scratches, then a 50g rubin i think and an 80g and it is incredibly smooth.
Whats also funny is I can keep it flat and float it along with less effort than my RO90!
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2012, 10:02 PM » |
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It is an awesome tool...love mine!
Scot
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MrMac
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2012, 10:29 PM » |
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I am currently scribing baseboards with my RAS. It does have a learning curve but it's a small one. you can get so darned close with this thing  I slow it down a little bit on the final pass, and roll the RAS a little bit. It's so darned fast compared to other methods. I don't know the brand of sandpaper, it's either 50 grit or 80 grit. They both work 
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Chris Hughes
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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2012, 11:31 PM » |
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The ras is the whip. My coworkers scribe with grinders a dust mask while I work pretty much dust free. I love how aggressive it is even compared to the rotex. Definitely a must have in the field.
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Chris Has Flair
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« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2012, 03:28 AM » |
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Aw, crap. Now you've got me thinking about getting a RAS again.
By the way, neither mode of the Rotex sanders is purely rotational like the RAS 115.
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Michael1960
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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2012, 10:15 PM » |
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Stop it!  I just bought a RS200 on Friday... How many more sanders do I 'need'!!!
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Tim Raleigh
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« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2012, 10:30 PM » |
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Aw, crap. Now you've got me thinking about getting a RAS again.
Nothing compliments the RAS and a Rotex like an RO 90.  Tim
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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2012, 03:26 AM » |
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Aw, crap. Now you've got me thinking about getting a RAS again.
Nothing compliments the RAS and a Rotex like an RO 90.  Tim I'm thinking RS-2e. Yup, that's what I'm thinking 
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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2012, 03:45 PM » |
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Aw, crap. Now you've got me thinking about getting a RAS again.
Nothing compliments the RAS and a Rotex like an RO 90.  Tim I'm thinking RS-2e. Yup, that's what I'm thinking  Like he said, Get 'em both! Ah what the heck get 'em all.
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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2012, 05:31 PM » |
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Aw, crap. Now you've got me thinking about getting a RAS again.
Nothing compliments the RAS and a Rotex like an RO 90.  Tim How about an angle grinder with an Arbortech cutter?
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« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2012, 03:11 AM » |
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Aw, crap. Now you've got me thinking about getting a RAS again.
Nothing compliments the RAS and a Rotex like an RO 90.  Tim How about an angle grinder with an Arbortech cutter? Not my favorite combo (had one a few years back). Just looked ... Actually still have one a Hitachi angle grinder 
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« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2012, 12:20 AM » |
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darn, darn, darn and double dog darn !!!
Walked into my dealer this morning to talk about compressors and walked out with a RAS 115 and boxes of P36 and P50 Saphir.
Of all the sanders I went for next, I thought fate would put the LS130 in my hands, but when you really look at the RAS115 you see it's virtues.
Nope - still no further down the track on a new compressor ...
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« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2012, 01:43 AM » |
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darn, darn, darn and double dog darn !!!
Walked into my dealer this morning to talk about compressors and walked out with a RAS 115 and boxes of P36 and P50 Saphir.
Of all the sanders I went for next, I thought fate would put the LS130 in my hands, but when you really look at the RAS115 you see it's virtues.
Nope - still no further down the track on a new compressor ...
Slopes don't have rest stops 
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« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2012, 02:33 AM » |
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darn, darn, darn and double dog darn !!!
Walked into my dealer this morning to talk about compressors and walked out with a RAS 115 and boxes of P36 and P50 Saphir.
Of all the sanders I went for next, I thought fate would put the LS130 in my hands, but when you really look at the RAS115 you see it's virtues.
Nope - still no further down the track on a new compressor ...
Slopes don't have rest stops  Tell me about it ... the only thing that's saving me from going all in on Precisio and CMS is my leaning towards Powermatic, Jet and Hammer gear in terms of table saw, band saw, thicknesser and jointer planer. Though I also feel that a CMS update is overdue in light of the interchangeable bases of the CARVEX and OF2200. Hopefully the CMS of the future will have provision for base clip in OF2200 new-OF1400, CARVEX and drop in new-TS75 ... and for bonus points - smart plug-it cables with remote speed control from the CMS mains switch. All of this still leaves me hanging for a router table option though. Decisions ... decisions ... decisions. $3K for an OF2200 in a CMS setup takes me a long way down the CMS investment path.
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« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2012, 10:01 AM » |
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Wow, after reading all this I'm no longer on the fence about getting the RAS. But know I wish I didn't get the R150. I knew I should have bought a RAS and ETS150. I'm still within my 30 days but I have never sent a tool back and wouldn't want to upset the online dealer I used. Anyway I bought the hard pad, and grits from 24-220, and the abrasive systainer for all the paper. I know I could use most of the paper on the ETS150. I got the RO150 thinking it could strip the 80yrs worth of paint off my cedar garage but it's extremely slow! Has anyone used the silent paint remover or the Speedheater? On my house I used a Warner heating element that my neighbor let me borrow. It was pretty dangerous and if you weren't careful you could easily burn your house down. I tried to find one on the Internet but I guess no one sells them anymore because of how dangerous they are, too bad because they were under $30 and above are over $400 
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« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2012, 11:07 AM » |
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I'm quite impressed with my RAS115 for general hogging away wood to fine scribing work. Best way to scribe ANY trim. But loose the Festool Fastfix pad (defined as velcro that don't last!) and get the hard backup pad that allows you to use generic fiber grit discs.
No worries about burning up your velcro pad.
JT
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« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2012, 11:58 AM » |
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Julian, im pretty sure they have what you are looking for. You can just buy grinding discs from HD that fit. Dave Reinhold? Are you out there? Hes the one who showed me, Eric
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« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2012, 12:31 PM » |
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I'm quite impressed with my RAS115 for general hogging away wood to fine scribing work. Best way to scribe ANY trim. But loose the Festool Fastfix pad (defined as velcro that don't last!) and get the hard backup pad that allows you to use generic fiber grit discs.
No worries about burning up your velcro pad.
JT
The RAS has never been intended for scribing, originally it is meant for removing paint. That's what the standard velcro FastFix pad is for. Scribing is an American thing, it's not so much done in Europe. When you are going to remove wood instead of paint, then of course you gonna break the velcro pad. Wood is a much harder material.
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« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2012, 01:49 PM » |
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Alex, what do you do, if you dont scribe? Eric
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« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2012, 04:10 PM » |
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We make sure we don't have to scribe to start with in the beginning. Walls are plastered level. Whenever small gaps exist, we don't scribe but we use caulk to fill them up. Or don't fill them up at all. On this board, I have seen Americans who scribe a piece of wood to every brick in a wall. We would never do that over here. In most cases we plaster the walls completely, having the bricks exposed inside is quite rare here.
Crown moulding is also a rarity here so there's no reason to scribe that either.
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« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2012, 05:34 PM » |
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We make sure we don't have to scribe to start with in the beginning. Walls are plastered level. Whenever small gaps exist, we don't scribe but we use caulk to fill them up. Or don't fill them up at all. On this board, I have seen Americans who scribe a piece of wood to every brick in a wall. We would never do that over here. In most cases we plaster the walls completely, having the bricks exposed inside is quite rare here.
Crown moulding is also a rarity here so there's no reason to scribe that either.
If joinery/carpentry needs caulking here in the uk it's considered bad poor work. Funny this has come up because just yesterday on this job I had to fill a large gap from previous joiners. The client is doing all the caulking and painting she kept saying why don't you get it all over your hands when you caulk up. So I decided to show her how I do it around this fire place which like I said previous joiners fitted. I laughed when I saw the gap massive was a joke! Any anyway! I have been working on the job for few months now but when I first started I did couple weeks work. The client came up to me saying why does your work not require any caulking like the work the other 3 joiners do. I just smiled. Well them 3 joiners do not work there any more. Which put me in a bit of problem as I had work which was enough work for 3 joiners. She has found 2 more joiners and asked for my permision if they can do certain jobs to take the work load of me abit help me out. I said its fine we will see if their work needs caulking to see if they can stay lol Jmb I disagree. Chaulking huge gaps is poor but chauking on paint grade stuff prevents hairline cracks between 2 differant materials like wood and plaster and some times it is unavoidable unless the plasterer comes back and sorts his stuff out
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« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2012, 06:34 PM » |
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Caulk rule the roost in cheap apartment/ rental property around my area. I've heard it called " Half inch molding" on more than one occasion. Scribing is a word missing from their vocabulary but they are mainly pushing for speed and low price. My RAS is my black sheep in shining armor for so many task, but I guess time is money and caulk is cheap! LOL.
Making a wall straight is something I believe passed away in a previous generation so scribing is a very common task for me.
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« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2012, 07:30 PM » |
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darn, darn, darn and double dog darn !!!
Walked into my dealer this morning to talk about compressors and walked out with a RAS 115 and boxes of P36 and P50 Saphir.
Of all the sanders I went for next, I thought fate would put the LS130 in my hands, but when you really look at the RAS115 you see it's virtues.
Nope - still no further down the track on a new compressor ...
Slopes don't have rest stops  Those are called moguls -- the speed down the (slippery) slope is increased because of the air borne free falls... 
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« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2012, 03:26 AM » |
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I would never caulk large gaps between wood. However, I think it's a grand idea to fill large areas between caulk with wood. 
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« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2012, 03:27 AM » |
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You know full well what I meant. Even tight joints should be "caulked" for the very reason you said but that's not what I was on about any way if you want to b picky you shouldnt use caulk as its crap! Should use something like fix all never use caulk.
I edited above post Deano
Jmb
So why is caulk crap
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« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2012, 10:06 AM » |
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caulk is right grand I think.
I'm just finishing off refurbishing a 1900's terrace house. We've left on all the old skirts & architraves, some places new plasterboard where lathe and plaster has fallen off.
You HAVE to caulk the gaps, because, well, that's just the way you do it !! I'm going to end up using 12-18 tubs of the stuff !! It's quite a big place. The larger gaps, shove a bit of paper behind them, so you don't fill the thing with your expensive (smirk) caulk. Let it go off for a day, then it will shrink into the gap, then come and put a little 'top-up' onto it.
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« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2012, 10:24 AM » |
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You know full well what I meant. Even tight joints should be "caulked" for the very reason you said but that's not what I was on about any way if you want to b picky you shouldnt use caulk as its crap! Should use something like fix all never use caulk.
I edited above post Deano
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So why is caulk crap Deleted my message cus going way off topic and Ill get a telling off. Just going to say if you think Caulk is good then you carry on using it but I think its crap and wont touch the stuff as it doesn't stay flexible and it shrinks. Fix all, all the way it stays flexible and increases your fixing strength it actually holds so well it can hold skirting back so it wont cup round at the top caulk cant do that and will just crack requiring you to re caulk it again. JMB Oh I know it costs alot more than caulk but its alot better so! I gotta get another 12 tubes 2 moro for a client whos decided to use it for ''caulking'' up
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