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Offline josephny

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Best way to buy new tools?
« on: December 15, 2017, 07:28 AM »

I don't own any Festool products, but I'm ready to take the leap.

I'm looking at the Domino XL 700 with Seneca adapters and the TS75.

Can anyone recommend the best (online) source? 

Thank you!

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Re: Best way to buy new tools?
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2017, 07:50 AM »
U. S. Tool and Fastener ships from MA to other states with no sales tax.

The Domino is an excellent machine. I've been a woodworker for a long time but always used biscuits or hand / machine cut tenons for cabinets and furniture. The Domino adds a new dimension to your possibilities. Enjoy!

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Offline RobNJ

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Re: Best way to buy new tools?
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2017, 07:54 AM »
A lot of dealers are on the forum to help out with any questions.  I've bought from US Tool before and had a good experience.  I'll also recommend Tool Nut and Bob Marino.  Free, quick shipping should be a must on all Festool.  Any of those three provide good service after the sale as well.  I  would recommend a dealer as close to you as possible, if only to make shipping a touch  quicker.


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Re: Best way to buy new tools?
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2017, 03:36 PM »
Buy mine from the local B&M. The are very knowledgable about festools and stock a wide variety of them
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Re: Best way to buy new tools?
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Offline rumble-chicken

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Re: Best way to buy new tools?
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2017, 04:29 PM »
I went with https://beavertools.com/ due to rewards program and free hat for my domino:)
Also went to local brick and mortar store for other tools (woodcraft) to benefit from their knowledge and get some hands on with their setup. The had a class that incorporated a couple of festool products that really sold me on my purchase.  It was abit more expensive due to tax but their knowledge has been useful and friendly.

Offline Jim_in_PA

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Re: Best way to buy new tools?
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2017, 04:40 PM »
http://www.bobmarinosbesttools.com

^ One of the Best

Agree...and I've been a customer of Bob's for many years now....from my very first Festool purchase, as a matter of fact. That said, there are any number of great Festool resellers in the US, some of which you may already do business with. That sometimes counts favorably if you have and established relationship with them.
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Offline josephny

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Re: Best way to buy new tools?
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2017, 05:21 PM »

Thank you all very much!

Now I have so many choices of where to buy the tools, in addition to the details of exactly what to get.

I'm thinking:

DF700 XL EQ
Seneca Small Mortise Adapter Kit
4mm & 6mm cutter in 500 size
8mm, 10mm and 14mm cutter in 700 size
TS75 EQ w/75" track
118" track (for 8' cuts?)

Total $2,834 (no tax, no shipping).

Heck of a large xmas present for myself.

Would very much appreciate any suggestions.

Offline SS Teach

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Re: Best way to buy new tools?
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2017, 05:39 PM »
Welcome to FOG. It doesn’t matter who you buy from the price of the tools will be the same. It’s great if you have a good knowledgeable dealer nearby. If not go online. With Amazon you pay shipping unless you have Prime. With others you might not pay shipping or sales tax. With a Domino 700 XL that can add a bit more coin. Bob Marino has been my dealer of choice for the majority of purchases.
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Offline ericvancronk

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Re: Best way to buy new tools?
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2017, 06:14 PM »
Personally, I prefer to buy from local brick and mortar.

In my neck of the woods that’s Anderson Plywood (Don) and Eagle Tool (Jesse)

The value of helping the local economy, and the hands on knowledge that a mom and pop shop can offer, is greater than the 9% sales tax IMHO.


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Re: Best way to buy new tools?
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2017, 08:32 PM »
Yes, go with the 118" track for the TS75. I like for the TS55 too, just makes life a little easier over the 106". Handy for rough length "eight foot" boards too.


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Re: Best way to buy new tools?
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2017, 08:40 PM »
Both the 700 and the TS75 are heavy tools excellent for big projects. Are you sure these are appropriate for your work?
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Re: Best way to buy new tools?
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2017, 09:15 PM »
Personally, I prefer to buy from local brick and mortar.

In my neck of the woods that’s Anderson Plywood (Don) and Eagle Tool (Jesse)

The value of helping the local economy, and the hands on knowledge that a mom and pop shop can offer, is greater than the 9% sales tax IMHO.

I met Don Ware a couple of months ago.  The Festool display they have is the best Ive seen at any suppliers everything set up and  yer able to handle / fondle before you buy and can help you sort whatever issue you are having with the tool. 

Don is one of the most knowledgable people of festool products around.

Hes who I call now when I have questions about the tools, set up and usage. he gives me the straight scoop on them.
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Offline SoonerFan

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Re: Best way to buy new tools?
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2017, 10:53 PM »
Price is the same so picking an online dealer is really about service, in stock selection and knowledge.  I purchase my Festool kit from festoolproducts.com (part of Tool Nut).  As for the service.....the shipping is free, I have never received anything broken and it typically arrives in three days unless UPS is clogged with Cyber Monday packages.  And for me they have always gotten the kit out the door the day I order.  As for selection.....never wanted something they did not have in stock and ready to ship the day I placed the order.  Finally knowledge.....very well informed group of people.  They have answered many questions for me both before and after the sale.  If you ever need something it is always pretty easy to find @Shane Holland around here on FOG.

Final bonus.....most states have no sales tax (gotta love the internet).

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Re: Best way to buy new tools?
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2017, 11:03 PM »
Thanks for the shout out, @SoonerFan.

Yup, always glad to help and answer questions. Feel free to PM on here or shoot me an email at shane@toolnut.com. I've personally been involved with Festool for about 13-14 years, including about 8 years working for Festool USA. My colleagues at The Tool Nut are tool geeks and many of them use Festool tools.

We have all of the goodies on your list and would appreciate your order at https://www.festoolproducts.com.

I answer questions and respond to emails virtually all hours of the day, night, and weekends.

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Offline Kevin Stricker

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Re: Best way to buy new tools?
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2017, 11:53 PM »
I don't think you could go wrong with any of the suppliers listed.  Toolnut has been earning my business for 8+ years and seem to have the online ordering dialed in to a science.

Regarding your purchases, I might consider picking up a shorter rail than the 75" if you are going to get the 118".  Many dealers allow you to customize your rail selection with the TS75.  I might also suggest spending a bit less on the domino cutters and instead supplement with a few extra blades( crosscut and panther).  You can do a lot with just a few sizes of domino's ( 6 and 12) then add others as the needs arise.

Make sure you have your dust collection figured out, Dominoes don't work well without some extraction.

Offline josephny

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Re: Best way to buy new tools?
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2017, 05:35 AM »

Thank you again everyone for your help.

I didn’t realize the pricing was controlled until I started searching.  Now I understand that the selection of vendor is about reputation, helpfulness, stock, selection, shipping and tax charges.  And, US Tool and Fastener, Tool Nut/Festoolproducts, Bob Marinos Best Tools, Beavertools all come highly recommended.  Amazon also has availability.  And there’s plenty of support for local brick and mortar for the service value and the importance of supporting the community.

@SRSemenza:  Thank for the support of the 118” track decision.

@Birdhunter:  When I was 18, I was certain about everything.  Several decades later, I’m not certain of much.  These tools will be used in my hobby workshop, where I sometimes use ½” ply and sometime use 12/4 Maple.  I have lots of rough wood and the idea of a TS75 making long, deep cuts that are glue-up ready (something I’ve read repeatedly online) is crazy exciting.  So that’s my thinking on these larger/heavier models. 

@SoonerFan:  That’s the recommendation.  Very nice to hear that there’s a source of knowledge available from an online vendor.  And sales tax is no joke at these prices.

@Shane Holland:  I will email shortly.  Thank you!

@Kevin Stricker:  That’s a great suggestion about getting a shorter rail.  Maybe the 55”, and use the 118 for anything in between.  And another great suggestion about a crosscut and Panther blade.  I’ve never used a Domino.  I thought I’d need a very small one (like a 4 or 5) for plywood, and large one for the 8/4 and up stuff, but I can always get them as needed.  I’m working on a dust collection solution, but for now it’s just shop vacs.  Is there a fitting/adapter that will make that easier?

Thank you!



Offline Gregor

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Re: Best way to buy new tools?
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2017, 06:28 AM »
I didn’t realize the pricing was controlled until I started searching.
I'm extremely happy that there are laws in my country that forbid manufacturers setting (or influencing) retail prices.

Offline RobBob

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Re: Best way to buy new tools?
« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2017, 07:18 AM »
LeeValley.com has started carrying Festool for the US market and they have an impeccable reputation.

Offline pixelated

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Re: Best way to buy new tools?
« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2017, 09:26 AM »
All good choices above, I bought my Saw from a small local shop, consider that a plug for whatever indie brick and mortar place you might have locally.

As for bigger shops, I've found Woodcraft to be a good source, one advantage they have is that you can try the stuff out, and I've found their sales folks to be very knowledgeable. Woodcraft has stores all over the country + a large mail order operation.


Offline Naildrivingman

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Re: Best way to buy new tools?
« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2017, 09:42 AM »
I buy on the internet if I’m relatively certain that I won’t need service.  Life is too busy for me to be packing up tools to be returned for service. I’d rather just carry them in to my vendor, set them on the counter and walk away.  If I don’t expect to need service, I will buy from the most convenient expeditious service.  I am fortunate to live within 30 miles of several major tool vendors, so my needs for support are bountiful.  It would be much more difficult for me if I were extremely rural.  I’m sure my buying model would be radically different.
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Offline SoonerFan

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Re: Best way to buy new tools?
« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2017, 09:44 AM »
@josephny when you get the new kit check out "The Poplar Shop" on Youtube if you have not already.  Eric has many good videos about Festool equipment.  Many of us around here have found him to be a terrific source when we started down the Festool path.

With that order you are planning it will be a Merry Christmas for sure.

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Best way to buy new tools?
« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2017, 12:47 PM »
I hope you will not be disappointed re the glue up ready TS cuts. I have the TS55 and always use a jointer to finish the cut. I use both Festool and Fein dust collectors. Never tried a Big Box dust collector. They tend to be shrill and loud.

Both Halfinchshy and New Brit Workshop have excellent videos on the Domino units. There is a lot of technique involved in getting good Domino results. The videos plus practice on scrap are helpful. Grip, stance, feed rate, etc all come into play.

I have both Domino units. The 500 gets most of the work. The kits with all the cutters and an assortment of tenons are a good buy. I have the Seneca adaptors but have never used them.

You are on a slippery slope buying into Festool. Very addictive. Wait until you start buying the drills.

Enjoy.
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Re: Best way to buy new tools?
« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2017, 08:52 AM »
LeeValley.com has started carrying Festool for the US market and they have an impeccable reputation.

Lee Valley now offers free shipping in the US (only) for Festool orders over $40.

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Re: Best way to buy new tools?
« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2017, 08:02 PM »
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Re: Best way to buy new tools?
« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2017, 08:41 PM »
Bob Marino and Toolnut...only real dif is that Toolnut carries most other brands that contractors use.  I buy from both regularly.

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Re: Best way to buy new tools?
« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2017, 09:50 PM »
Do yourself a favor and take a pass on Amazon. Festool doesn’t package these tools to handle the abuse shipping companies put them through.  Bob, Toolnut and some others will add packing materials inside and outside the systainer and use an appropriate cardboard box.  You know how amazon packs their orders.  At least amazon’s return/exchange process is simple, because you will need it.  I am a long time Amazon fan, but not when it comes to Festool tools.
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Re: Best way to buy new tools?
« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2017, 10:42 PM »
As others have said, Bob Marino and ToolNut are in a class of their own. I usually alternate my orders with both of them but I do buy more Festool through Bob and most of my non-Festool with ToolNut. I usually use Amazon for things like Wera, Wiha, and other quality hand tools.
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Re: Best way to buy new tools?
« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2017, 04:04 AM »
I'm extremely happy that there are laws in my country that forbid manufacturers setting (or influencing) retail prices.

I’m very unhappy that Festool prices are fixed in Australia.  No other retailer / supplier is allowed to fix prices.  Not one

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Re: Best way to buy new tools?
« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2017, 09:10 AM »
I think you will find there are many considerations for where you purchase your tools.  Certain items I want the same day (mostly consumables), come from my local WoodCraft.  While there, I will have the opportunity to "touch and feel" items I would otherwise only see in pictures, or You Tube videos.  I also enjoy the human interaction with certain knowledgeable employees. 

As for Internet sales, my main consideration has become the shipping company used.  My personal preference is Fed Ex for multiple reasons (those guys hustle like they own stock options in the company), but primarily because they tend to deliver earlier in the day than UPS (This is based on my location).

  Business location is also another consideration.  My most recent purchase came from Beaver Industrial Supply, located in St. Louis.  Not only do they use Fed Ex, but I ordered early one day, and the package arrived the next (I am in Middle Tennessee).  Can't beat that delivery time.

And finally, sometimes my purchase decision is based on who has the product I want.  My Festool OF1400 Router purchase led me to a dealer in California, because it was the only dealer that I could find that still had the metric version of the router still in stock.

I guess there is no one perfect answer for where to purchase your tools.  Over time, you will develop a comfort level with various outlets that will be specific to your needs.       
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