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Offline bobfog

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2016, 10:44 AM »
Just a little update to round off the thread:

As I stated earlier in this thread, I recently bought the Bosch 160 BCE (in the UK) or as stated above the Bosch JS572EBL in the US. I sought information on the Carvex here before the purchase, but didn't have time to try both before, due to needing a Jigsaw for a job ASAP. So I mentally flipped a coin and made my decision to go with the Bosch.

So, a few days on I went to a local store that stocks Festool to see how the Carvex performed for myself and check if I'd made the right decision or not within the returns policy time for my Bosch.

I took a bit of 2x2 softwood and set about emulating some cuts that I'd also made with the Bosch to compare. I made sure the pendulum setting and speed on the Carvex matched the cuts I made with the Bosch and under the instruction of the assistant in the store correctly set the blade guide.

In the interest of fairplay I also took the same blade I used to cut the test pieces with the Bosch with me (a Bosch T308BP Precision for wood).

The results:

Carvex 420:

The Festool was almost perfectly square through most of the cut, apart from at the end of the cut where the blade broke out of the material. The assistant also tried and even with his technique the blade still wandered a little. The assistant and I came to the conclusion that the release of tension on the blade at the end of the cut caused a bit of wander. Though it was probably less than 1 degree, so I imagine in fairness to the Carvex this would be an acceptable tolerance for most jigsaw users.

Bosch 160 BCE:

The Bosch was perfectly square through out the entire cut with no wander of any kind. The assistant thought that the Bosch's blade guide sits slightly lower down the blade and closer to the material and therefore kept the blade slightly more rigid.

So in terms of cutting accuracy they were both on par with each other, save for a slight advantage for the Bosch. Though this was only 2" material the gap may have widened if it was thicker material.

However what was most surprising was that using the same blade, cutting speed and pendulum setting, the Bosch produced a far cleaner cut with less apparent tearing of the material. Picture below to illustrate.


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Offline SHJ NH

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2016, 03:33 PM »
A couple weeks ago, I worked with a Carvex barrel grip. In my opinion this Festool machine works smoother than my Metabo jigsaw (also barrel grip). Only thing for me was to switch the Carvex on/off. Or the button are too low or my fingers are too short.

I think to buy a Festool jigsaw, but I can't deside which one. Should a D grip a better choice for me?
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Offline bobfog

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2016, 04:24 PM »
A couple weeks ago, I worked with a Carvex barrel grip. In my opinion this Festool machine works smoother than my Metabo jigsaw (also barrel grip). Only thing for me was to switch the Carvex on/off. Or the button are too low or my fingers are too short.

I think to buy a Festool jigsaw, but I can't deside which one. Should a D grip a better choice for me?

I had the same dilemma, only with the fantastic Bosch.

I came to the conclusion that the barrel/body grip felt a bit alien to me. Also you can kind of adopt a barrel grip style on a D handle by gripping the body underneath the handle, but on a barrel grip there's no option to hold it in a D handle style, as the handle simply isn't there.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2016, 04:26 PM by bobfog »

Offline mandatory66

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #33 on: February 16, 2016, 12:50 AM »
Bought the Carvex and was disappointed, build quality not as good as my old Bosch 1590, too much vibration,on/off switch in poor position. Returned the Carvex and did more research, bought Trion and  was pleasantly surprized. Solid build, low vibration,good switch position and square cuts. Kept the Trion.

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2016, 10:07 AM »
Bought the Carvex and was disappointed, build quality not as good as my old Bosch 1590, too much vibration,on/off switch in poor position. Returned the Carvex and did more research, bought Trion and  was pleasantly surprized. Solid build, low vibration,good switch position and square cuts. Kept the Trion.

I've kept my Trion and been very happy with it.  In fact, one of the reasons I haven't upgraded to the Carvex is that Festool has not discontinued the Trion.  I'm genuinely curious about that--there isn't a single advantage (on paper) that the "old" Trion has over the Carvex, yet for some reason Festool keeps it around.  Is it that there are thousands of unsold units they are trying to clear out?  Or is there actually still more demand for the Trion than the Carvex?  I can't think of too many other Festool tools that have remained in the product lineup when a new, improved model was introduced--especially years later.

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2016, 06:33 PM »
Possibly they have kept the Trion because there is a module for it for the CMS (although correct me if I'm wrong, not available in North America). Not sure if the cms module can take the newer Carvex models so perhaps thats a reason.
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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2016, 06:43 PM »
Regarding keeping the Trion despite the introduction of the Carvex, the Trion has had a very good reputation and its cost was less than the Carvex.  The Carvex brought new features - loved or hated - and the Trion continues to fill a need.

When Shane was an administrator here he posted along those lines except for my comment "loved or hated">

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #37 on: February 16, 2016, 07:10 PM »
Several years ago I replaced my Craftsman Jig saw with the Trion but, aside from cutting profiles on pieces too large to get up on my bandsaw I don't use it very often.

Think about your needs for a jig saw before looking at all those assessories and try to decide if you really need this things - it might make your selection a bit easier.

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2016, 08:57 AM »
I've had three dewalt jigsaws and I had a Bosch years ago.  Now I use the cordless d handle carvex and I like it a lot.  It does everything I expect a jigsaw to do which is almost never anything really requiring cnc precision. I really like the strobe light and the fact you can set the light to different settings, that's very handy. But the fact i can use all my other festool batteries in it is what makes it handier than anything.  I think losing the cord is a necessity for me when using a jigsaw.  So my opinion is I really like it.  To me though, a jigsaw is a rare thing I whip out to finish a circular saw cut corner or something, so a jigsaw to me isn't something I scrutinise like I would another precision tool.  Many folks may use their jigsaws a ton and be more picky about it which is understandable, but for my needs the carvex is great.
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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #39 on: February 27, 2016, 08:32 PM »
I wanted a carvex to match my other tools and I love their dust collection.  After reading so many mixed reviews I thought I'd get the trion.  Then after so many positive reviews in the Bosch 1591 I found one at a pawn shop.  I love it.  I bought the splitter and dust collection attachment and I'm surprised how well it works above the surface (below is a lost cause on any jigsaw).  My recommendation is a used Bosch 159x.   The blade support can't be beat. 
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Offline SHJ NH

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2016, 02:05 AM »
A couple weeks ago, I worked with a Carvex barrel grip. In my opinion this Festool machine works smoother than my Metabo jigsaw (also barrel grip). Only thing for me was to switch the Carvex on/off. Or the button are too low or my fingers are too short.

I think to buy a Festool jigsaw, but I can't deside which one. Should a D grip a better choice for me?
In the meanwhile I've purchased a Carvex with barrel grip. In practice I have my hand more to the side so I can handle with the buttons. I like the stroboscoop function so you can see where blade is.
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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #41 on: November 05, 2016, 05:15 AM »
I have both the corded and cordless Carvex saws as well as the Bosch corded saw. I reach for the cordless Carvex 90% of the time. If I use it inside, I use the dust collector attachment. Outside, no dust collection. Dust collection with the attachment and the vac turned up high is about 50%.

I learned to store the battery detached from the saw. It's very easy to grab the saw out of the Systainer and trigger the power switch. I put the battery on just before I am read to cut. When the cutting is over, the battery comes off.

I prefer the blade position on the Bosch to that of the Festool. It seems to be easier to see and, thus, guide.

I had trouble with the Festool blade guides at first getting too tight. After some experimenting, they work fine. My cuts are true 90 degree in up to 2" hardwood. To be honest, I use my Sawstop for the finish cuts, not the jigsaw.

I'm intrigued by the Mafell, but no one in my area carries them and I hate to buy an expensive tool without handling it.
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Offline SS Teach

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #42 on: November 05, 2016, 02:35 PM »
When it came time to replace my 25 year old jig saw I spent a lot of time on FOG reading the reviews and opinions concerning the Carvex. For my usage It would have been cost effective to purchase both the saw and the accessory kit. Since the Carvex has been somewhat problematic I went with the Bosch JS 572 in the L Boxx. It's great.
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Offline Dovetail65

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #43 on: November 05, 2016, 02:46 PM »
I have both the corded and cordless Carvex saws as well as the Bosch corded saw. I reach for the cordless Carvex 90% of the time. If I use it inside, I use the dust collector attachment. Outside, no dust collection. Dust collection with the attachment and the vac turned up high is about 50%.

I learned to store the battery detached from the saw. It's very easy to grab the saw out of the Systainer and trigger the power switch. I put the battery on just before I am read to cut. When the cutting is over, the battery comes off.

I prefer the blade position on the Bosch to that of the Festool. It seems to be easier to see and, thus, guide.

I had trouble with the Festool blade guides at first getting too tight. After some experimenting, they work fine. My cuts are true 90 degree in up to 2" hardwood. To be honest, I use my Sawstop for the finish cuts, not the jigsaw.

I'm intrigued by the Mafell, but no one in my area carries them and I hate to buy an expensive tool without handling it.

I am struggling to go cordless on the jig an track saws. Since I use a dust collection hose 100% of the time and all my hoses have a plug it in the sleeve of the hose I just dont see the need for the Cordless. I would just have a plug it flopping around the end of the hose anyhow.

My question is why do you grab the Carvex cordless the times you are inside when you are attaching a hose?
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Offline Holmz

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #44 on: November 05, 2016, 08:02 PM »
Probably because the dust collection is only 50% anyhow (from para 1)...

So once it is 1/2 a pig sty, then committing to a mess "all the way" is easy.

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #45 on: November 05, 2016, 09:21 PM »
Since my first post I did indeed sell my Carvex. I replaced it with a Bosch JS470EB, which I haven't used yet. The dust blower sold me, I don't much care how much of a mess it makes as long as I can see my cut line.

I'll miss the strobe lights and the lightness of the Carvex (Bosch is noticeably heavier), and the blade break.

If I can manage to talk myself into Festool's 18v platform I might get a cordless one.
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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #46 on: November 05, 2016, 09:28 PM »
Probably because the dust collection is only 50% anyhow (from para 1)...

So once it is 1/2 a pig sty, then committing to a mess "all the way" is easy.

He is saying he USES the dust collection on the cordless. That's what I dont get, may as well use  a corded tool if a hose is connected to the tool.
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Offline Holmz

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #47 on: November 05, 2016, 09:40 PM »
After another cup of coffee, and I now am with you on understanding your question.

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #48 on: November 06, 2016, 02:22 PM »
It's ok... dont care too much for it though. At the same token
not enough time to get know it better. Maybe. No Mafell for me.

Aside from that, what is that metal wire for behind the clear shield?
Can it be removed? Blocks cutline/view sometimes.

I just turned on the jiggie before and I must have spun
the speed down to 2 and the CT26 was going on/off. Pulsing.
Practically off at speed 1. Almost the same for setting A until
cut started. 3 to 5 works fine. This is normal no? Other than that
runs fine.

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #49 on: November 06, 2016, 08:43 PM »
I use my cordless Carvex and not the corded model because I just don't like to keep track of where the cord is re the cut. The cord is a nuisance. I use dust collection inside with the Carvex because it seems to capture the airborne dust. The heavier dust seems to fall off the underside of the cut. If I'm cutting outside with the Carvex or TS55, I rarely use the dust collection system.
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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #50 on: November 06, 2016, 09:02 PM »
The metal wire is a safety thing i think, if you are using the saw with the shield up. I never use the saw with the shield up so the "guard wire" is somewhere collecting dust. Its very easy to remove. I refuse to saw mdf or birch plywood without dust collection as I despise breathing the dust.

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #51 on: November 06, 2016, 09:25 PM »
I use my cordless Carvex and not the corded model because I just don't like to keep track of where the cord is re the cut. The cord is a nuisance. I use dust collection inside with the Carvex because it seems to capture the airborne dust. The heavier dust seems to fall off the underside of the cut. If I'm cutting outside with the Carvex or TS55, I rarely use the dust collection system.

I see, I wasn't thinking your  extension cord was something separate from the dust collection hose.

I think  most guys here long ago have attached their cords to their hoses with a sock and shrink (or just zip ties) as one unit. If people haven't they should do that, especially if they are in the Festool system already. That's why I said in my case I would just have a plug it hanging off the dust collection hose flopping around. All my hoses and extensions are one single unit and it just didn't sink in to me your issue. I get it, all your hoses and extension two separate entities.

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #52 on: November 09, 2016, 03:54 PM »
I still loathe my Carvex 420 (cordless). Blade change is a nuisance. It sometimes does not eject the blade. It sometimes does not retract the head so that the blade release can be engaged. And when I have switched it on/off a few times to have it return to the proper position it still often fails to eject the blade.

After a blade release, if I can manage without a pair of pliers, fitting a blade sometimes takes a while and that pair of pliers still come in handy. "Quick release" - I don't think so.  BTW this is my second Carvex, I thought my first was a lemon but it seems they all stem from the lemon tree.

It cuts well enough, but not in thicker materials - regardless of blade brand.

My Carvex now resides in the woodworking shop, relegated to chopping down scraps. It does not even to a proper job cutting down thicker scraps.  I resisted the urge to throw it into the bin.

It has been replaced by a Metabo STA 18 LTX, barrelgrip. Since I run a Mafell KS40/18V it made sense. 
It is nice to have a "simple" jigsaw that is powerful and which does not require a separate base to cut angled cuts.
The Metabo has a proper blade release which works a charm. It is a really good jig saw, arguably better than the Carvex though it does not feel as refined as the Carvex.

I also have the corded Mafell P1cc and in my opinion it is the best jigsaw out there.
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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #53 on: November 10, 2016, 07:04 PM »
I still loathe my Carvex 420 (cordless). Blade change is a nuisance. It sometimes does not eject the blade. It sometimes does not retract the head so that the blade release can be engaged. And when I have switched it on/off a few times to have it return to the proper position it still often fails to eject the blade.

After a blade release, if I can manage without a pair of pliers, fitting a blade sometimes takes a while and that pair of pliers still come in handy. "Quick release" - I don't think so.  BTW this is my second Carvex, I thought my first was a lemon but it seems they all stem from the lemon tree.

It cuts well enough, but not in thicker materials - regardless of blade brand.

My Carvex now resides in the woodworking shop, relegated to chopping down scraps. It does not even to a proper job cutting down thicker scraps.  I resisted the urge to throw it into the bin.

It has been replaced by a Metabo STA 18 LTX, barrelgrip. Since I run a Mafell KS40/18V it made sense. 
It is nice to have a "simple" jigsaw that is powerful and which does not require a separate base to cut angled cuts.
The Metabo has a proper blade release which works a charm. It is a really good jig saw, arguably better than the Carvex though it does not feel as refined as the Carvex.

I also have the corded Mafell P1cc and in my opinion it is the best jigsaw out there.

Agree about the Mafell. No question and worth every penny in my opinion.

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #54 on: February 06, 2018, 05:59 PM »
i have a carved, barrel grip. used it once having blade load and un load problems. once going it had plenty of power, except the blade holding broke and the small parts fell into the water. used it once, in storage and bought a dewalt. im unsatisfied with the carvex quality. i was cutting tough material, but the dewalt cuts the same material.

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #55 on: February 06, 2018, 08:35 PM »
Similar to the others, I've been having problems with the retraction that allows the blade to be ejected, and the cut not being 90 degrees - even in 1.75" thick stock. Use has been minimal and I treat my stuff well, so I can't understand why the issues. I've changed the blades (manually rotate to get 'em to eject...), checked the table for square with the longest blade I have, but no cigar. It's enough for me to want to send it back to have it looked at, but I can't recall my purchase date and don't want to poke the tool registration bear again.

I'm okay with the Carvex for non-critical cuts, but definitely feeling like I'm not getting the quality that I paid for.

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #56 on: February 07, 2018, 02:17 AM »
Hi All,
I have the same issues but I must say I do not you a jigsaw a lot.  I would love to use mine like som guy I saw in a video.   the saw is very capable in watching that video.  Does anyone live near San Jose who can show me the finer points on how to use it?  or does anyone live in SJ just want to hook up?  I have a nice shop, little crowded but FUN?
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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #57 on: February 07, 2018, 10:15 AM »
The non-carved jigsaws are better and the Mafell P1cc is the best (though pricey). I have had/have all (3). Moving from the PS series to the Carvex was a let down so much so that I moved to the Mafell and have not looked back.

Don't be sucked into the Carvex because of the accessory kit, stick the PS series or look at other jigsaws.

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #58 on: February 07, 2018, 11:58 AM »