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Offline bobfog

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Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« on: February 07, 2016, 06:52 PM »
I am in the market for a new jigsaw and I've narrowed it down to either the Bosch BCE 160 or the Carvex.

Whilst I would like the Carvex as a first option, I've read a lot of noise regarding blade wander and out of square cutting with the Carvex 420. The Bosch on the other hand doesn't seem to have such complaints, however it also doesn't seem to have quite the same level of accessories.

I know there might be some bias, but if possible I'd be hugely appreciative of some honest opinions on the issues with the Carvex and also opinions from those who have used both saws.

Many thanks in advance!

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Offline TheSergeant

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2016, 07:18 PM »
Have you considered the Trion?  When I got into Festool I bought a package deal from a retiring finish contractor.  Included with it was a 13 year old Trion as well as other tools.  I used it, and was really impressed with it but when the opportunity arose to purchase a barely used 420 Carvex with the accessory systainer I couldn't pass it up.  I mean, come on, all those sexy interchangeable bases, photostrobic LEDs, and super cool circle cutter, how could I pass it up?  I didn't. 

So I started cleaning up my Trion in preparation of selling it but before I did I thought I'd cute both jig saws, back to back with the same blade and see 'how much better' the Carvex was.  Well.... it wasn't.  The Carvex doesn't feel as smooth as the Trion, just a greater amount of vibration.  The cuts on the Trion were dead square for the most part, the Carvex -- not so much.   The Trion also has a much better grab on the blade and there's a strong spring forcing the blade/shaft backwards.  There's basically no spring pressure on the blade/shaft on the Carvex and I think it's what contributes to the blade wander. 

Not only that but the freaking blade on the Carvex literally dislodged two separate times (???!!!) and got stuck in the wood.  Literally the blade came out of the saw, and just was stuck in the wood.  Happened twice, both on slight curves.  Not cool and not safe. 

So now I'm questioning whether or not I want to keep the Carvex.  For the price of the jig saw + accessories you're $560 deep.  That's a lot of money, twice that of the Trion.  Is it twice as good as the Trion?  No way.   

The Bosch looks pretty good but I've heard mixed reviews about it.   

Offline Nat X

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2016, 07:23 PM »
If you use the extra-thick FSG blades and adjust it correctly I think you'll have a very difficult time producing a non-square cut with the Carvex. If you use other blades, then they can and will flex, but this is hardly a Festool specific problem. I've never had one fall out or get stuck in anything, and I've made some pretty long cuts.

My biggest complaint from the past year of using the thing is the angled base plate (which doesn't actually come with the saw). There's no way to lock the angle down, so it tends to drift in use, there's not enough surface area to the thing to get a really stable purchase on anything, so I always wind up ATG-ing some phenolic or sheet HDPE to it, and it doesn't let you connect any dust extraction at all.

That said, I've still been able to cut nearly perfect 10 degree chamfers in 6/4 walnut freehand with the thing thanks to the strobe light, so I've never actually regretted the purchase. That particular Bosch does not appear to be sold here, so I can't comment on how it compares in use. Looks nice in pictures.

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2016, 08:27 PM »
Hi, For what its worth to you.  I own the Bosch and the Carvex. Simply put I strongly suggest you buy the offering from Mafell. It is the most simple cut thick thin material dead on jig saw you could own. By far my favorite of the 3 mentioned above. I own most of everything Festool offers. I also own a lot of Mafell tools. I own a lot of different tools. If Mafell made a toaster I would buy it. Good luck in your decision.
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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2016, 08:31 PM »
I have the corded and cordless Carvex. The cordless outperforms the corded. I should send the corded in to be checked but I know I'll never get around to it.

The cordless is a very nice saw.

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Offline TheSergeant

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2016, 10:00 PM »
If you use the extra-thick FSG blades and adjust it correctly I think you'll have a very difficult time producing a non-square cut with the Carvex. If you use other blades, then they can and will flex, but this is hardly a Festool specific problem. I've never had one fall out or get stuck in anything, and I've made some pretty long cuts.

Just to add an extra data point here.  The cuts that I were making were with Festool's FSG blades.  Both the Carvex and the Trion were properly adjusted using the same method to tension the carbide guides.  I let wasn't rushing the cuts,  both were on "3" pendulum setting, same blades, etc.  Material was 1.5" plywood lamination.  Trion came out perfect, Carvex was out of square in several places.  Visibility is better on the Carvex but the Trion feels smoother.  Obviously I really want to like the Carvex, especially after spending the money on it, but I'm uncertain.  I'm going to put it to use on some more projects and see how it preforms.  Fingers crossed.

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2016, 10:21 PM »
I have had the Carvex for a few months now. I have had zero issues making 90 deg cuts with the fsg blades. I have found making the blade adjustments fairly easy.  Overall I am very pleased with it. The strobe light is nice. Only thing I'm still getting used to is looking thru splinter guard and chip shield to see the cut line.

Big thing is to make sure the blade matches the application in my opinion.
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Offline Staniam

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2016, 11:09 PM »
The Carvex was my very first Festool (I now own 6 and counting) and with that, my longest tenured. I just sold it a few weeks ago to purchase the Bosch JS572EBL jigsaw. I really, really liked the Carvex but I'm absolutely, head over heels in love with the Bosch. No need to adjust the blade guard for each new blade, no need for a separate tilt/beveling base and the blade insertion is far easier.

The JS572EBL has an LED light, 4 pendulum/orbital settings, a blower on/off function, FAR FAR FAR better dust collection capabilities complete with a rotating dust spout to keep the hose from stiffening up the saw. It has a 7.2amp motor that I just used to scroll cut through a three month old 4×6 that's been laying outside in the rain, like butter (with a Festool blade). The on/off switch is also far easier to use on the Bosch but it's only on the left side of the saw which isn't kind to lefties.

As far as accessories, the dust extraction kit supplied with the Bosch JS572EBL allows the saw to simply trump the extraction capabilities of the Carvex. It comes with a steel base overshoe for heavy duty use and just as with the Carvex, you can purchase a guide rail base adapter (works on Bosch rails and Festool rails) and a circle cutting accessory which is very similar to the Carvex accessory.

The Bosch guide rail adapter base and circle cutting accessory are sold together as the KS 3000 kit. I just imported mine, should be here in a couple weeks  [big grin]

I love Festool and I love Bosch. I love both equally but in my first hand experience the Bosch JS572EBL jigsaw is superior to the Carvex. Since you aren't in North America you can also purchase the cordless version of the Bosch.

That's my opinion from first hand experience. Btw I still use Festool blades, they are incredible. I also use Bosch but 90% of the time I use Festool even though Bosch makes great blades too.
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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2016, 01:50 AM »
Hi, For what its worth to you.  I own the Bosch and the Carvex. Simply put I strongly suggest you buy the offering from Mafell. It is the most simple cut thick thin material dead on jig saw you could own. By far my favorite of the 3 mentioned above. I own most of everything Festool offers. I also own a lot of Mafell tools. I own a lot of different tools. If Mafell made a toaster I would buy it. Good luck in your decision.

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Offline bobfog

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2016, 06:53 AM »
Thanks for the feedback! Really appreciate the honesty and views.

To go over a few points:

1) For some reason I ruled the Trion out early on. I think it might have been to do with it not being compatible with the tape measure style circle guide.

2) I didn't realise Bosch did a similar tape measure style circle cutting guide, this makes the Bosch more appealing.

3) I looked long and hard at the Mafell and wanted to like it, but unfortunately I just don't get on with barrel grip jigsaws and from what I can see Mafell don't do a D handle version. :(

I think what is most often the hardest thing when listening to opinions on the internet is often those who haven't bought a product will "hate on it" the most and those who have bought a product will defend it to the hilt. Therefore what speaks most loudly to me about the Carvex is people who have actually bought it with their own hard-earned cash are saying they've sold it because they thought it wasn't a good tool.

I currently own about half a dozen Festool tools and about 10 Bosch blue tools; but I think on this particular occasion, it's going to be a blue L-Boxx that gets added to my collection, not a green and white Systainer, which is a shame as my slight OCD side would have liked to see a bit of symmetry between the quantity of the two brands in my collection [big grin]

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2016, 07:25 AM »
I own a Bosch 1582 barrel grip seemingly forever and it has always worked well for me, even cutting glass and tile.  I recently bought the Carvex and have cut plastic, wood, aluminum and steel with it.  There was an initial learning curve with the soft start that took some getting used to, but as long as the jaw was adjusted properly I have had no issues to make me regret my purchase.

Offline JD2720

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2016, 07:48 AM »
Thanks for the feedback! Really appreciate the honesty and views.

To go over a few points:



2) I didn't realise Bosch did a similar tape measure style circle cutting guide, this makes the Bosch more appealing.


I currently own about half a dozen Festool tools and about 10 Bosch blue tools; but I think on this particular occasion, it's going to be a blue L-Boxx that gets added to my collection, not a green and white Systainer, which is a shame as my slight OCD side would have liked to see a bit of symmetry between the quantity of the two brands in my collection [big grin]

Make sure you can buy the tape measure circle guide before buying the a Bosch saw. One of the problems I have had with Bosch over the years is that all of their accessories are not readily available. I have never run into that with Festool.

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2016, 09:54 AM »
I have no problem with the CARVEX, but I haven't used it heavily.

The 30 day trial option is something I'd take up if I was in the US and I had a doubt.

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2016, 11:32 AM »
Thanks for the feedback! Really appreciate the honesty and views.

To go over a few points:

1) For some reason I ruled the Trion out early on. I think it might have been to do with it not being compatible with the tape measure style circle guide.

2) I didn't realise Bosch did a similar tape measure style circle cutting guide, this makes the Bosch more appealing.

3) I looked long and hard at the Mafell and wanted to like it, but unfortunately I just don't get on with barrel grip jigsaws and from what I can see Mafell don't do a D handle version. :(

I think what is most often the hardest thing when listening to opinions on the internet is often those who haven't bought a product will "hate on it" the most and those who have bought a product will defend it to the hilt. Therefore what speaks most loudly to me about the Carvex is people who have actually bought it with their own hard-earned cash are saying they've sold it because they thought it wasn't a good tool.

I currently own about half a dozen Festool tools and about 10 Bosch blue tools; but I think on this particular occasion, it's going to be a blue L-Boxx that gets added to my collection, not a green and white Systainer, which is a shame as my slight OCD side would have liked to see a bit of symmetry between the quantity of the two brands in my collection [big grin]

If you are a heavy jig saw user it might help to buy the carvex and use it heavily within the 30 day return policy.  I had a carvex and accessory kit that i used and sold.  I was seduced by the sexy features and accessories available.  I enjoyed the saw and the accessories but i did not use the saw as often to rationalize the 567 bucks i dropped for the saw and accessory kit.   

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2016, 12:03 PM »
I dunno, if I had it to do over again I'd probably get something else. For me it was between a Carvex and something more utilitarian like a DeWalt or Milwaukee.

All the whiz-bang features were what sold me, but I find I either don't use them or they aren't enough to justify the extra cost. The strobe lights are cool, but only work on the highest speed. I don't use the zero clearance inserts because, at least for me, you have to take them out every time you change blades. Dust collection isn't that great, except cutting insulation.

I didn't get the accessory kit because I thought $350 was plenty, thank you. But I don't have any guide rails, so that base wouldn't be needed. The other ones I might use but not that much, so I'd be paying $200 for a bevel base, which is enough to buy a DeWalt saw that has one already.

Adjusting the blade guide all the time is annoying, you have to take the base off to do it.

Mine cuts fairly square if you enter the cut at something close to perpendicular, I've had it drift a little when trying to make curvy cuts.

I'd probably sell it if I could find one cheaper that cuts through a 4x4.
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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2016, 05:39 PM »
So, I bought the Bosch. Handled both and in addition to my previous reservations I just didn't like the feel of the Carved D handle in the hand.

Not truly put it through its paces in any proper manner, but cut some 4x4 pressure treated posts, as well as some curves in a piece of 40mm worktop off cut.

In short based on initial impressions from half an hour playing about with it, I think I'm going to be very pleased with the saw. Also did a few 45 degree cuts in 18mm ply and they were bang on.

Oh and I bought some Carvex FSG blades just to restore the balance a little.  [big grin]
« Last Edit: February 08, 2016, 05:53 PM by bobfog »

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2016, 07:05 PM »
Have you considered the Trion?  When I got into Festool I bought a package deal from a retiring finish contractor.  Included with it was a 13 year old Trion as well as other tools.  I used it, and was really impressed with it but when the opportunity arose to purchase a barely used 420 Carvex with the accessory systainer I couldn't pass it up.  I mean, come on, all those sexy interchangeable bases, photostrobic LEDs, and super cool circle cutter, how could I pass it up?  I didn't. 

So I started cleaning up my Trion in preparation of selling it but before I did I thought I'd cute both jig saws, back to back with the same blade and see 'how much better' the Carvex was.  Well.... it wasn't.  The Carvex doesn't feel as smooth as the Trion, just a greater amount of vibration.  The cuts on the Trion were dead square for the most part, the Carvex -- not so much.   The Trion also has a much better grab on the blade and there's a strong spring forcing the blade/shaft backwards.  There's basically no spring pressure on the blade/shaft on the Carvex and I think it's what contributes to the blade wander. 

Not only that but the freaking blade on the Carvex literally dislodged two separate times (???!!!) and got stuck in the wood.  Literally the blade came out of the saw, and just was stuck in the wood.  Happened twice, both on slight curves.  Not cool and not safe. 

So now I'm questioning whether or not I want to keep the Carvex.  For the price of the jig saw + accessories you're $560 deep.  That's a lot of money, twice that of the Trion.  Is it twice as good as the Trion?  No way. 
The Bosch looks pretty good but I've heard mixed reviews about it.
It sounds like somebody bought a Carvex that was a lemon and instead of working with Festool to fix it they pawned it off on you.  That is why I don't buy used, especially Festool, since you don't really save much.  I think the warranty transfers.  You should call Festool.

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2016, 07:29 PM »
Have you considered the Trion?  When I got into Festool I bought a package deal from a retiring finish contractor.  Included with it was a 13 year old Trion as well as other tools.  I used it, and was really impressed with it but when the opportunity arose to purchase a barely used 420 Carvex with the accessory systainer I couldn't pass it up.  I mean, come on, all those sexy interchangeable bases, photostrobic LEDs, and super cool circle cutter, how could I pass it up?  I didn't. 

So I started cleaning up my Trion in preparation of selling it but before I did I thought I'd cute both jig saws, back to back with the same blade and see 'how much better' the Carvex was.  Well.... it wasn't.  The Carvex doesn't feel as smooth as the Trion, just a greater amount of vibration.  The cuts on the Trion were dead square for the most part, the Carvex -- not so much.   The Trion also has a much better grab on the blade and there's a strong spring forcing the blade/shaft backwards.  There's basically no spring pressure on the blade/shaft on the Carvex and I think it's what contributes to the blade wander. 

Not only that but the freaking blade on the Carvex literally dislodged two separate times (???!!!) and got stuck in the wood.  Literally the blade came out of the saw, and just was stuck in the wood.  Happened twice, both on slight curves.  Not cool and not safe. 

So now I'm questioning whether or not I want to keep the Carvex.  For the price of the jig saw + accessories you're $560 deep.  That's a lot of money, twice that of the Trion.  Is it twice as good as the Trion?  No way. 
The Bosch looks pretty good but I've heard mixed reviews about it.
It sounds like somebody bought a Carvex that was a lemon and instead of working with Festool to fix it they pawned it off on you.  That is why I don't buy used, especially Festool, since you don't really save much.  I think the warranty transfers.  You should call Festool.

According to the sales guy in th tool shop, it's a case of the Carvex is just flawed. Apparently the 420 is a redesign of an earlier model without blade roller which was added as a quick fix to blade wander, that only reduced but didn't solve the problem. In his opinion the Carvex 420 is a flawed design that is due for replacement.

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2016, 07:41 PM »
Bob,

Glad to see you made a decision and I honestly hope you love your new saw and that it meets your needs and expectations.

That being said jigsaws are definitely a tool that people need to learn, learn how to push thru curves, and dealers need to do the same.  People who sell tools also need to do the same.

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2016, 07:50 PM »
I think a high end bosch jigsaw is never a bad choice. I've had a 1590 barrel grip for a decade, it runs as smooth as the day I bought it. Not one single issue either, more powerful than the carvex and smoother.

The reason I retired it, is because the thing is a beast. I practically always cut upside down, and after I handled the 5.5 lbs carvex I was instantly sold.

Would I buy another? Yes, but I will say I don't like the lack of pressure on the pendulum shaft. You can grab the blade and flop it around too much for a high end jigsaw. I've learned to deal with it.

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2016, 09:56 PM »
This may be the least typical response you're gonna get -

I like my Carvex because it was expensive.  Simplified, I never used my Dewalt but when I had no other way.  Never got comfortable with it or practiced.  Cut maybe half a foot the dozen or so years I ended it.  Then I got the cordless version and used it equally as much.  Then got the Carvex and started making it part of my workflow.  Now I use it all the time and love it.  Truth is, never looked into buying the right blades until I got the Carvex.  Never had useful accessories to help in complex ops.  Never had dust collection.  Now I do and there are less reasons to not use it.

Only downside is I nicked the side of my MFT.  What can you do?


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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2016, 10:33 PM »
Oh I did actually nick my MFT.
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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2016, 11:48 PM »
... it's going to be a blue L-Boxx that gets added to my collection, not a green and white Systainer, which is a shame as my slight OCD side would have liked to see a bit of symmetry between the quantity of the two brands in my collection [big grin]

There is also some symmetry with Bosch and Mafell as they share rails. So a Bosch jig saw can go on a red rail, or a red saw on a blue rail.

While I like my p1cc, you may want to consider use on the rail??
So if you have FT rails already then maybe the Trion or Carvex would work on your existing rail.
Or buy a Bosch rail if you want to use the Bosch on a rail.
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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2016, 11:39 AM »
... it's going to be a blue L-Boxx that gets added to my collection, not a green and white Systainer, which is a shame as my slight OCD side would have liked to see a bit of symmetry between the quantity of the two brands in my collection [big grin]

There is also some symmetry with Bosch and Mafell as they share rails. So a Bosch jig saw can go on a red rail, or a red saw on a blue rail.

While I like my p1cc, you may want to consider use on the rail??
So if you have FT rails already then maybe the Trion or Carvex would work on your existing rail.
Or buy a Bosch rail if you want to use the Bosch on a rail.

He can use his Bosch jigsaw on the Festool rail like I do with the Bosch KS 3000 rail adapter and circle cutter.
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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2016, 03:02 PM »
Well...
In that case.

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2016, 04:37 PM »
Not sure what's been covered but here's my two cents worth.

I got his tool during the recon sale so for the price I have been very pleased. I have had no mechanical issues to speak of either.

I went ahead and got the D Handle only because I was used to that. Now that I have been using it I probably should have picked up the barrel grip. My old Bosch was twice as heavy and the way it directed its power during cutting lead to drift. I find myself holding the Carvex more around the body and using my left hand as a stabilizer / guide where I then use my forefinger to control the power on the left side of the unit. I like this position very much. And because the jigsaw cuts so smoothly without much resistance it is really easy to follow your scribe line.

In fact, this is the single best feature of the saw in my book. I've never had a jigsaw that was so easy to follow a path. The lack of weight and the added reciprocating speed of the blade are probably the two biggest factors with making this happen.

As for drawbacks. Well, I am not crazy about the dust extraction on the unit. Having a "tail" to the jigsaw that is rigid really gets in the way in tight spots or doing complex cuts. A flexible end or an end you can adjust to various angles would be a huge improvement. I also don't use the LED strobe feature. Not sure why actually. But it has something to do with staring at the blade or the "cut marker" on the outside of the unit. I find focusing on the marker is the way to go. So I normally just leave the strobe off. I am grateful it has a light though! Something I wish my OF 1400 had. One last very minor flaw but it is present in many Festool tools is the logic behind where they include and don't include gripped handles. I wish the jigsaw had one on the D handle. It's a bit like the OF 1400 not having a grip on the handle at all which really makes picking that thing up and walking with it quickly a slight question mark. Same goes for the DF 500 which is lacking a grip on its barrel and for that matter the TS 55 not having one on the protruding bar handle etc.

Anyhow, aside from those minor issues I have had good luck with it. And as far as no or very little blade deflection in cuts of 8/4 hardwood, well, it has no problem doing that either. I've also used it in place of a band saw at times.

Hope this helps.


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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2016, 04:31 PM »
http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tool-problems/my-carvex-420-is-now-worse-than-ever/msg434707/?topicseen#new

Well, since I've already bought the Bosch, this only makes me more happy with my choice. They say there's no smoke without fire and the Carvex really seems like a real lemon.

I love my Festool's, especially my Domino machines, but I'm really glad I wasn't seduced by the Festool is always superior mindset.


« Last Edit: February 10, 2016, 04:42 PM by bobfog »

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2016, 07:02 PM »
The Carvex is the only Festool I bought and returned within 30 days. Just didn't like it. I found it awkward to push that button before you can use the trigger switch.  The line of sight poor. Found the strobe to be distracting. Replaced it with a Bosch 572 and like it much better. The Bosch is smoother and more powerful.

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2016, 08:14 PM »
My Carvex cordless model keeps getting the tiny grub screw falling out and going missing. I can no longer adjust the fit to prevent saw blade wander. I took it back to the store previously to get fixed and it still happened. Maybe it's just my saw but if there is another choice out there I would certainly look at it instead.
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Offline bobfog

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2016, 10:44 AM »
Just a little update to round off the thread:

As I stated earlier in this thread, I recently bought the Bosch 160 BCE (in the UK) or as stated above the Bosch JS572EBL in the US. I sought information on the Carvex here before the purchase, but didn't have time to try both before, due to needing a Jigsaw for a job ASAP. So I mentally flipped a coin and made my decision to go with the Bosch.

So, a few days on I went to a local store that stocks Festool to see how the Carvex performed for myself and check if I'd made the right decision or not within the returns policy time for my Bosch.

I took a bit of 2x2 softwood and set about emulating some cuts that I'd also made with the Bosch to compare. I made sure the pendulum setting and speed on the Carvex matched the cuts I made with the Bosch and under the instruction of the assistant in the store correctly set the blade guide.

In the interest of fairplay I also took the same blade I used to cut the test pieces with the Bosch with me (a Bosch T308BP Precision for wood).

The results:

Carvex 420:

The Festool was almost perfectly square through most of the cut, apart from at the end of the cut where the blade broke out of the material. The assistant also tried and even with his technique the blade still wandered a little. The assistant and I came to the conclusion that the release of tension on the blade at the end of the cut caused a bit of wander. Though it was probably less than 1 degree, so I imagine in fairness to the Carvex this would be an acceptable tolerance for most jigsaw users.

Bosch 160 BCE:

The Bosch was perfectly square through out the entire cut with no wander of any kind. The assistant thought that the Bosch's blade guide sits slightly lower down the blade and closer to the material and therefore kept the blade slightly more rigid.

So in terms of cutting accuracy they were both on par with each other, save for a slight advantage for the Bosch. Though this was only 2" material the gap may have widened if it was thicker material.

However what was most surprising was that using the same blade, cutting speed and pendulum setting, the Bosch produced a far cleaner cut with less apparent tearing of the material. Picture below to illustrate.


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Offline SHJ NH

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2016, 03:33 PM »
A couple weeks ago, I worked with a Carvex barrel grip. In my opinion this Festool machine works smoother than my Metabo jigsaw (also barrel grip). Only thing for me was to switch the Carvex on/off. Or the button are too low or my fingers are too short.

I think to buy a Festool jigsaw, but I can't deside which one. Should a D grip a better choice for me?
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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2016, 04:24 PM »
A couple weeks ago, I worked with a Carvex barrel grip. In my opinion this Festool machine works smoother than my Metabo jigsaw (also barrel grip). Only thing for me was to switch the Carvex on/off. Or the button are too low or my fingers are too short.

I think to buy a Festool jigsaw, but I can't deside which one. Should a D grip a better choice for me?

I had the same dilemma, only with the fantastic Bosch.

I came to the conclusion that the barrel/body grip felt a bit alien to me. Also you can kind of adopt a barrel grip style on a D handle by gripping the body underneath the handle, but on a barrel grip there's no option to hold it in a D handle style, as the handle simply isn't there.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2016, 04:26 PM by bobfog »

Offline mandatory66

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #33 on: February 16, 2016, 12:50 AM »
Bought the Carvex and was disappointed, build quality not as good as my old Bosch 1590, too much vibration,on/off switch in poor position. Returned the Carvex and did more research, bought Trion and  was pleasantly surprized. Solid build, low vibration,good switch position and square cuts. Kept the Trion.

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2016, 10:07 AM »
Bought the Carvex and was disappointed, build quality not as good as my old Bosch 1590, too much vibration,on/off switch in poor position. Returned the Carvex and did more research, bought Trion and  was pleasantly surprized. Solid build, low vibration,good switch position and square cuts. Kept the Trion.

I've kept my Trion and been very happy with it.  In fact, one of the reasons I haven't upgraded to the Carvex is that Festool has not discontinued the Trion.  I'm genuinely curious about that--there isn't a single advantage (on paper) that the "old" Trion has over the Carvex, yet for some reason Festool keeps it around.  Is it that there are thousands of unsold units they are trying to clear out?  Or is there actually still more demand for the Trion than the Carvex?  I can't think of too many other Festool tools that have remained in the product lineup when a new, improved model was introduced--especially years later.

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2016, 06:33 PM »
Possibly they have kept the Trion because there is a module for it for the CMS (although correct me if I'm wrong, not available in North America). Not sure if the cms module can take the newer Carvex models so perhaps thats a reason.
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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2016, 06:43 PM »
Regarding keeping the Trion despite the introduction of the Carvex, the Trion has had a very good reputation and its cost was less than the Carvex.  The Carvex brought new features - loved or hated - and the Trion continues to fill a need.

When Shane was an administrator here he posted along those lines except for my comment "loved or hated">

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #37 on: February 16, 2016, 07:10 PM »
Several years ago I replaced my Craftsman Jig saw with the Trion but, aside from cutting profiles on pieces too large to get up on my bandsaw I don't use it very often.

Think about your needs for a jig saw before looking at all those assessories and try to decide if you really need this things - it might make your selection a bit easier.

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2016, 08:57 AM »
I've had three dewalt jigsaws and I had a Bosch years ago.  Now I use the cordless d handle carvex and I like it a lot.  It does everything I expect a jigsaw to do which is almost never anything really requiring cnc precision. I really like the strobe light and the fact you can set the light to different settings, that's very handy. But the fact i can use all my other festool batteries in it is what makes it handier than anything.  I think losing the cord is a necessity for me when using a jigsaw.  So my opinion is I really like it.  To me though, a jigsaw is a rare thing I whip out to finish a circular saw cut corner or something, so a jigsaw to me isn't something I scrutinise like I would another precision tool.  Many folks may use their jigsaws a ton and be more picky about it which is understandable, but for my needs the carvex is great.
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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #39 on: February 27, 2016, 08:32 PM »
I wanted a carvex to match my other tools and I love their dust collection.  After reading so many mixed reviews I thought I'd get the trion.  Then after so many positive reviews in the Bosch 1591 I found one at a pawn shop.  I love it.  I bought the splitter and dust collection attachment and I'm surprised how well it works above the surface (below is a lost cause on any jigsaw).  My recommendation is a used Bosch 159x.   The blade support can't be beat. 
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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2016, 02:05 AM »
A couple weeks ago, I worked with a Carvex barrel grip. In my opinion this Festool machine works smoother than my Metabo jigsaw (also barrel grip). Only thing for me was to switch the Carvex on/off. Or the button are too low or my fingers are too short.

I think to buy a Festool jigsaw, but I can't deside which one. Should a D grip a better choice for me?
In the meanwhile I've purchased a Carvex with barrel grip. In practice I have my hand more to the side so I can handle with the buttons. I like the stroboscoop function so you can see where blade is.
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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #41 on: November 05, 2016, 05:15 AM »
I have both the corded and cordless Carvex saws as well as the Bosch corded saw. I reach for the cordless Carvex 90% of the time. If I use it inside, I use the dust collector attachment. Outside, no dust collection. Dust collection with the attachment and the vac turned up high is about 50%.

I learned to store the battery detached from the saw. It's very easy to grab the saw out of the Systainer and trigger the power switch. I put the battery on just before I am read to cut. When the cutting is over, the battery comes off.

I prefer the blade position on the Bosch to that of the Festool. It seems to be easier to see and, thus, guide.

I had trouble with the Festool blade guides at first getting too tight. After some experimenting, they work fine. My cuts are true 90 degree in up to 2" hardwood. To be honest, I use my Sawstop for the finish cuts, not the jigsaw.

I'm intrigued by the Mafell, but no one in my area carries them and I hate to buy an expensive tool without handling it.
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Offline SS Teach

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #42 on: November 05, 2016, 02:35 PM »
When it came time to replace my 25 year old jig saw I spent a lot of time on FOG reading the reviews and opinions concerning the Carvex. For my usage It would have been cost effective to purchase both the saw and the accessory kit. Since the Carvex has been somewhat problematic I went with the Bosch JS 572 in the L Boxx. It's great.
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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #43 on: November 05, 2016, 02:46 PM »
I have both the corded and cordless Carvex saws as well as the Bosch corded saw. I reach for the cordless Carvex 90% of the time. If I use it inside, I use the dust collector attachment. Outside, no dust collection. Dust collection with the attachment and the vac turned up high is about 50%.

I learned to store the battery detached from the saw. It's very easy to grab the saw out of the Systainer and trigger the power switch. I put the battery on just before I am read to cut. When the cutting is over, the battery comes off.

I prefer the blade position on the Bosch to that of the Festool. It seems to be easier to see and, thus, guide.

I had trouble with the Festool blade guides at first getting too tight. After some experimenting, they work fine. My cuts are true 90 degree in up to 2" hardwood. To be honest, I use my Sawstop for the finish cuts, not the jigsaw.

I'm intrigued by the Mafell, but no one in my area carries them and I hate to buy an expensive tool without handling it.

I am struggling to go cordless on the jig an track saws. Since I use a dust collection hose 100% of the time and all my hoses have a plug it in the sleeve of the hose I just dont see the need for the Cordless. I would just have a plug it flopping around the end of the hose anyhow.

My question is why do you grab the Carvex cordless the times you are inside when you are attaching a hose?
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Offline Holmz

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #44 on: November 05, 2016, 08:02 PM »
Probably because the dust collection is only 50% anyhow (from para 1)...

So once it is 1/2 a pig sty, then committing to a mess "all the way" is easy.

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #45 on: November 05, 2016, 09:21 PM »
Since my first post I did indeed sell my Carvex. I replaced it with a Bosch JS470EB, which I haven't used yet. The dust blower sold me, I don't much care how much of a mess it makes as long as I can see my cut line.

I'll miss the strobe lights and the lightness of the Carvex (Bosch is noticeably heavier), and the blade break.

If I can manage to talk myself into Festool's 18v platform I might get a cordless one.
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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #46 on: November 05, 2016, 09:28 PM »
Probably because the dust collection is only 50% anyhow (from para 1)...

So once it is 1/2 a pig sty, then committing to a mess "all the way" is easy.

He is saying he USES the dust collection on the cordless. That's what I dont get, may as well use  a corded tool if a hose is connected to the tool.
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Offline Holmz

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #47 on: November 05, 2016, 09:40 PM »
After another cup of coffee, and I now am with you on understanding your question.

Offline Picktool

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #48 on: November 06, 2016, 02:22 PM »
It's ok... dont care too much for it though. At the same token
not enough time to get know it better. Maybe. No Mafell for me.

Aside from that, what is that metal wire for behind the clear shield?
Can it be removed? Blocks cutline/view sometimes.

I just turned on the jiggie before and I must have spun
the speed down to 2 and the CT26 was going on/off. Pulsing.
Practically off at speed 1. Almost the same for setting A until
cut started. 3 to 5 works fine. This is normal no? Other than that
runs fine.

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #49 on: November 06, 2016, 08:43 PM »
I use my cordless Carvex and not the corded model because I just don't like to keep track of where the cord is re the cut. The cord is a nuisance. I use dust collection inside with the Carvex because it seems to capture the airborne dust. The heavier dust seems to fall off the underside of the cut. If I'm cutting outside with the Carvex or TS55, I rarely use the dust collection system.
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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #50 on: November 06, 2016, 09:02 PM »
The metal wire is a safety thing i think, if you are using the saw with the shield up. I never use the saw with the shield up so the "guard wire" is somewhere collecting dust. Its very easy to remove. I refuse to saw mdf or birch plywood without dust collection as I despise breathing the dust.

Offline Dovetail65

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #51 on: November 06, 2016, 09:25 PM »
I use my cordless Carvex and not the corded model because I just don't like to keep track of where the cord is re the cut. The cord is a nuisance. I use dust collection inside with the Carvex because it seems to capture the airborne dust. The heavier dust seems to fall off the underside of the cut. If I'm cutting outside with the Carvex or TS55, I rarely use the dust collection system.

I see, I wasn't thinking your  extension cord was something separate from the dust collection hose.

I think  most guys here long ago have attached their cords to their hoses with a sock and shrink (or just zip ties) as one unit. If people haven't they should do that, especially if they are in the Festool system already. That's why I said in my case I would just have a plug it hanging off the dust collection hose flopping around. All my hoses and extensions are one single unit and it just didn't sink in to me your issue. I get it, all your hoses and extension two separate entities.

The one who says it can't be done should avoid interrupting the person doing it.

Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #52 on: November 09, 2016, 03:54 PM »
I still loathe my Carvex 420 (cordless). Blade change is a nuisance. It sometimes does not eject the blade. It sometimes does not retract the head so that the blade release can be engaged. And when I have switched it on/off a few times to have it return to the proper position it still often fails to eject the blade.

After a blade release, if I can manage without a pair of pliers, fitting a blade sometimes takes a while and that pair of pliers still come in handy. "Quick release" - I don't think so.  BTW this is my second Carvex, I thought my first was a lemon but it seems they all stem from the lemon tree.

It cuts well enough, but not in thicker materials - regardless of blade brand.

My Carvex now resides in the woodworking shop, relegated to chopping down scraps. It does not even to a proper job cutting down thicker scraps.  I resisted the urge to throw it into the bin.

It has been replaced by a Metabo STA 18 LTX, barrelgrip. Since I run a Mafell KS40/18V it made sense. 
It is nice to have a "simple" jigsaw that is powerful and which does not require a separate base to cut angled cuts.
The Metabo has a proper blade release which works a charm. It is a really good jig saw, arguably better than the Carvex though it does not feel as refined as the Carvex.

I also have the corded Mafell P1cc and in my opinion it is the best jigsaw out there.
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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #53 on: November 10, 2016, 07:04 PM »
I still loathe my Carvex 420 (cordless). Blade change is a nuisance. It sometimes does not eject the blade. It sometimes does not retract the head so that the blade release can be engaged. And when I have switched it on/off a few times to have it return to the proper position it still often fails to eject the blade.

After a blade release, if I can manage without a pair of pliers, fitting a blade sometimes takes a while and that pair of pliers still come in handy. "Quick release" - I don't think so.  BTW this is my second Carvex, I thought my first was a lemon but it seems they all stem from the lemon tree.

It cuts well enough, but not in thicker materials - regardless of blade brand.

My Carvex now resides in the woodworking shop, relegated to chopping down scraps. It does not even to a proper job cutting down thicker scraps.  I resisted the urge to throw it into the bin.

It has been replaced by a Metabo STA 18 LTX, barrelgrip. Since I run a Mafell KS40/18V it made sense. 
It is nice to have a "simple" jigsaw that is powerful and which does not require a separate base to cut angled cuts.
The Metabo has a proper blade release which works a charm. It is a really good jig saw, arguably better than the Carvex though it does not feel as refined as the Carvex.

I also have the corded Mafell P1cc and in my opinion it is the best jigsaw out there.

Agree about the Mafell. No question and worth every penny in my opinion.

Offline Papajoe

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #54 on: February 06, 2018, 05:59 PM »
i have a carved, barrel grip. used it once having blade load and un load problems. once going it had plenty of power, except the blade holding broke and the small parts fell into the water. used it once, in storage and bought a dewalt. im unsatisfied with the carvex quality. i was cutting tough material, but the dewalt cuts the same material.

Offline c_dwyer

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #55 on: February 06, 2018, 08:35 PM »
Similar to the others, I've been having problems with the retraction that allows the blade to be ejected, and the cut not being 90 degrees - even in 1.75" thick stock. Use has been minimal and I treat my stuff well, so I can't understand why the issues. I've changed the blades (manually rotate to get 'em to eject...), checked the table for square with the longest blade I have, but no cigar. It's enough for me to want to send it back to have it looked at, but I can't recall my purchase date and don't want to poke the tool registration bear again.

I'm okay with the Carvex for non-critical cuts, but definitely feeling like I'm not getting the quality that I paid for.

Offline Trevin

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #56 on: February 07, 2018, 02:17 AM »
Hi All,
I have the same issues but I must say I do not you a jigsaw a lot.  I would love to use mine like som guy I saw in a video.   the saw is very capable in watching that video.  Does anyone live near San Jose who can show me the finer points on how to use it?  or does anyone live in SJ just want to hook up?  I have a nice shop, little crowded but FUN?
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Offline JimH2

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #57 on: February 07, 2018, 10:15 AM »
The non-carved jigsaws are better and the Mafell P1cc is the best (though pricey). I have had/have all (3). Moving from the PS series to the Carvex was a let down so much so that I moved to the Mafell and have not looked back.

Don't be sucked into the Carvex because of the accessory kit, stick the PS series or look at other jigsaws.

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Re: Carvex Jigsaw Honest Opinion?
« Reply #58 on: February 07, 2018, 11:58 AM »