Author Topic: Choosing my next Festool drill(s) drives me mad! Help, please!  (Read 4967 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline grobkuschelig

  • Posts: 427
Hi there,

I know, this is the "umpteenth" drill choosing thread...
BUT: I need your help, fellow FOGers!

Over the last couple of years I have slowly build up my Festool-Collection and I am very happy with every one of them.
I have a CXS (my 2nd Festool, after the OF1010..) and I love it immensly!

But I found that with my projects moving further and gaining more experience, I need something a little bit more powerful.
The contenders for the next step are clearly lined up. I want to stay in Festool-Land to be able to make use of the interchanging bits and pieces (Centrotec, chucks etc...)
So. Here is my maddening plus/minus sheet that keeps me up at night:

C18 (I am more of a C-guy, handled both at the dealer and feel that the C18 is more the "extension to my hand" like the CXS)
+ extension to my hand, tremendous feeling of control/precision
+ a little more power than CXS
+ Off-Center chuck
+ nice and light with a 3.1 battery
+ C-Style with big bit-garage/magnets
+ auto-light
- not very fast (Rpm)
- plain drilling

PDC/DRC 18+4
+ lots and lots of power
+ high 3800 rpm
+ 4 gears etc.
- feels less precise
- manual light (since I don't work on a roof everyday, I don't need to conserve the power... and auto would be nice for me)
- little on the heavy side

BHC 18
+ hammer-action
+ SDS
+ hole-saw capable
- mostly only stone-work focused
- no fast rpm mode

I know, those don't into one basket.   [dead horse]
But, Festool have a great "get a battery for free"-deal running until the end of the month and so I would be willing to get two tools

(one in some kind of a set, the other as "basic") which should enable me to comfortably run both on the 4 batteries (in total, 2 with the set, 1 free with each tool).
My goal would be to opt for a "compact" set, to have a couple 3.1 amps and a couple 5.2 amps.

My biggest decision hangups are based on these topics:
- I know I need something more powerful than the CXS, since I reach it's limits more often (big Forstners, speed, occasional hole in metal)
- I want the drill to be as light as possible for the majority of the tasks (don't like to carry the weight if I don't need it)
- I am all in Systainers, since I have no workshop space. I pack whatever I need and move to the place where the work is. Festool is great for that, but it need to be able to not have to pack everything I own and still get the job done.
- How useful will the rpm increase of the PDC/DRC be? (Have not experienced it during my work)
- Would the BHC be usable for wood at all, or just a plain concrete/masonry drill?


For my scope of work:
- I mostly build furniture, anything that might be used around the house
- The odd renovation and home improvement in between
- There might be a house to build, sometime in the next years

So, if you would be so kind to hit me with your thoughts, I am sure it will help me decide!  [poke]  [thanks]

Festool USA does not pre-approve the contents of this website nor endorse the application or use of any Festool product in any way other than in the manner described in the Festool Instruction Manual. To reduce the risk of serious injury and/or damage to your Festool product, always read, understand and follow all warnings and instructions in your Festool product's Instruction Manual. Although Festool strives for accuracy in the website material, the website may contain inaccuracies. Festool makes no representations about the accuracy, reliability, completeness or timeliness of the material on this website or about the results to be obtained from using the website. Festool and its affiliates cannot be responsible for improper postings or your reliance on the website's material. Your use of any material contained on this website is entirely at your own risk. The content contained on this site is provided for informational purposes only and does not constitute professional advice.


Offline T. Ernsberger

  • Posts: 860
I own the txs and the pdc.  I owned a t15 and sold it when the pdc came out.  The PDC is an amazing drill.  Never felt that it wasn't precise.  The added speed is amazing with pocket hole jigs.  I do everything from framing to building cabinets and use it almost everyday in a professional environment.  The only flaw in my eyes with the PDC is drilling concrete,  is gets too hot and the drill starts acting weird from the heat.  Works great for drilling brick.  I wouldnt hesitate getting the pdc.  It's a great all around drill that has a great balance to it. 

Offline ScotF

  • Posts: 2503
I really like the PDC and the speed and power have come in handy for my building furniture. I have the TXS for smaller stuff and a C12 too. The chuck options with the C18 make it very versatile for furniture and home projects and the offset chuck is great. The say you do not need it with the CXS or TXS but I find it handy to have. That option is not available on the PDC. I use a right angle more, though, and the PDC right angle is nice. I like being able to turn the light on and off and the attic systainer is great. Works for limited drilling in concrete, but the BHC is better suited to that. If you can get two tools, the the PDC and C18 would be the ideal set-up, but you need full sets on each for all the chucks.

Offline grobkuschelig

  • Posts: 427
...the new Makitas LXT sub-compact brushless...

I don't see being locked into the Festool battery system as a healthy financial choice.

Thank you for your input. I will take a glance at those, but I generally do not see myself branching too much into cordless.
I use dust collection a lot and mostly do thus like using corded tools.

I want to get the Carvex (cordless) to be able to have a quick, transportable saw to cut the odd part. So I'll have some cordless 18V Fetsool anyway. So the Drill just adds more Batteries.

You are right about the "limited" possibilities, but on the other hand, there are also great ones like DWC etc...

Offline grobkuschelig

  • Posts: 427
I own the txs and the pdc.  I owned a t15...

The added speed is amazing with pocket hole jigs....It's a great all around drill that has a great balance to it.

Thanks!
Would you be able to draw a quick comparison of the C15/TXS?
Since I have not used the C/T on a daily basis, I would really like to get a better idea of how big the difference is to the CXS/TXS.

On the PDC: Anything you really dislike?
Do you use the "belt hooks" much? How do they perform?
I use the hook on the CXS almost everytime I handle the drill. Form and placement of the PDC hooks look to me, like they would not keep the drill safe while mounting ladders etc..

Offline grobkuschelig

  • Posts: 427
I really like the PDC and the speed and power have come in handy...
I have the TXS for smaller stuff and a C12 too...
The chuck options with the C18 make it very versatile for furniture and home projects and the offset chuck is great...
Works for limited drilling in concrete, but the BHC is better suited to that...

ScotF! You are killing me!  [eek]
So basically I need the complete range? Is that what you are saying?  [poke]

Besides the offset-chuck what do you use the C12 for and would the TXS be able to handle those tasks?
For "offset-use" I have been using one of these flexible-long-bit-holders, which has worked out quite nice so far.
Since I have the right-angle chuck on the CXS already, I think I'd go for one set and a bare tool to not have every option on every tool.

Mainly I am looking for a drill that adds a lot of possibilities to my CXS.
If this is best served by two tools, I can buy two.
But there is always another tool to spend the money on, or clamps, or...  [big grin]

Offline geoffshep

  • Posts: 154
Same dilemma here - had the CXS and wanted something bigger. I got the PDC set, plus a free battery, and later the HKC basic, plus another free battery - so now have 2 battery tools and 4 batteries. 

The PDC is great for the extra power and also does masonry well. I do find the gear selection switch difficult to set - it always seems to overshoot whatever position I want to set it at but it is a nice drill. Not the cheapest for what I need but it fits well into my expanding Festool collection.

Offline Birdhunter

  • Posts: 2358
  • Woodworker, Sportsman, Retired
I do mostly small stuff like jewelry boxes, but sometimes do furniture and outdoor benches, gun racks, and indoor built in bookcases.

I confess to be a tool junkie with more money than restraint. I have the following Festool drills. CXS, TSX, C12, TI15, T18 and a Bosch SDS.

I use either the CXS or the TSX 90% of the time. The T18 comes out when I need lots of power. The TI15 comes out when I have to drive lag bolts. The SDS comes out to drill concrete. I looked at the newer bigger drills and concluded that I don't need them.

I think Festool made a mistake in not offering an 18v true SDS hammer drill. When they discontinued the TI15, they had no true hammer drill in the line up.
Birdhunter

Offline six-point socket II

  • Posts: 743
  • aka @the_black_tie_diyer
Hi!

I start with the one that, in it's currently offered configuration, would be the last Festool drill I'd get: The BHC.

It's really a neat rotary hammer, it fits Festool's orientation speaking of the trades they mainly cater to and has more than enough power to drill small to well above your average medium diameter holes in concrete. BUT it lacks the "hammer only" function which in my eyes is pretty much unforgivable speaking of versatility. Speaking of 18V rotary hammers and (hammering) hole saws in masonry/concrete - don't do it. (Especially never in reinforced concrete) If you need to do this once or twice - no problem. But more often than that - no way. This type of use tends to wear out slip clutches rather fast and there are way better suited tools for this type of work. You're going to invest in a way more potent rotary hammer / drill anyway once you start to build your house.

Now for the C/T 18+3. The most important feature (which I in fact do miss on my PDC) to me would be the selector on top to choose between drilling and driving screws. If you do a lot of assembly type stuff this is great because it allows you to keep your preset torque for driving screws but overrides it to full speed/torque when switched to drilling mode. This is amazing!

Other than that, 1500 rpm aren't 3800 - that is true. Question is: if you really like the C-shape, are you willing to substitute that for the 3800 rpm of the PDC/DRC? Basically a question of how many times you're really going to (need) use top speed.

Speaking of the PDC - it's hands down the drill I'd get. I love it. It's an unbelievable versatile drill/driver but again, a percussion drill is NOT for drilling concrete and surely not reinforced concrete. Masonry on the other hand, yes. And I can tell you, with the Centrotec stone drill bits and at 3800 rpm - the PDC cuts in masonry like it's butter - you don't even need to switch to percussion mode. It's like a miracle. Especially compared to using your typical 2 kg type rotary hammer in drill only mode, that will only do about 900 rpm under load. Different world, entirely! The gearbox can be a little tricky at times. Another great thing: it reduces/increases speed depending on torque setting. This makes it very easy to drive a screw even in delicate materials - it's an amazing feature. Example: You're in 2nd gear with a top speed of 850 rpm in drilling setting. Once you set torque it also adjusts speed accordingly and will not go above a certain rpm. The PDC is a fantastic drill/driver and would be ( IS ;) ) my #1 choice. Just take your time to get to know it if you should buy it.

The hooks on the PDC might seem strange at first, I had my doubts - but they do work.

So my recommendation would be to get the PDC - and if you need to drill up to medium diameter holes in concrete and want to stay in the system, get the BHC, too. On the other hand - if you don't need it immediately, and can take pass on the free battery I'd wait and see if Festool updates the BHC. As far as I know, a hammer-only mode is wanted by a lot of people. Can't beat a light-weight, versatile rotary hammer that can hammer-only, too - and almost all competitors have this. Like I said in the beginning, pretty much unforgivable to not have it in todays market.

Kind regards,
Oliver
« Last Edit: June 14, 2017, 06:12 AM by six-point socket II »
Kind regards,
Oliver

Offline grobkuschelig

  • Posts: 427
Same dilemma here - had the CXS and wanted something bigger. I got the PDC set, plus a free battery, and later the HKC basic, plus another free battery - so now have 2 battery tools and 4 batteries. 

The PDC is great for the extra power and also does masonry well...

For masonry I could always use my old corded Metabo, which does not really see any use at all.

I think the free batteries are what makes it so appealing. [emoji846] the PSC 420 would be very welcome for the "quick cut outside" and since I am working on my own most of the time, 4-5 batteries should be more than enough to keep me up and running..

Offline batau

  • Posts: 2
Re: Choosing my next Festool drill(s) drives me mad! Help, please!
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2017, 06:29 AM »
I was in the market for a powerful drill ever since my Makita cordless became sick and gets stuck in hammer/impact mode (only way I found to get it back into drill/driver mode was take it apart each time so not exactly convenient).

I already have a Festool CXS for the lighter tasks, and it is great, but i didn't really want another battery platform as i can't see myself getting any other Festool cordless tools.

Festool had a special recently on the DR 18 QuaDrill (corded), so i ended up getting that. Plenty of power, cord wasn't that inconvenient, and then can leave my Makita drill permanently in impact mode for the odd occasion i need to drill into bricks.

Offline grobkuschelig

  • Posts: 427
Re: Choosing my next Festool drill(s) drives me mad! Help, please!
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2017, 06:32 AM »
I confess to be a tool junkie with more money than restraint. I have the following Festool drills. CXS, TSX, C12, TI15, T18 and a Bosch SDS.

I use either the CXS or the TSX 90% of the time. The T18 comes out when I need lots of power...

I know what you mean with "tool junkie", but I need to take it slow. [emoji6]

What kind of applications make you switch from the XSs to the T18?
Just to get a better picture, if this reflects my use cases as well.

I find that especially in soft woods, I'd like to have higher rpms than what my CXS (1.5amp) is capable of.
The holes sometimes are just not clean enough, especially when I'm not on a fresh battery.
And also with the forstners the CXS struggles too much.

So far, I've built beds, wardrobes, tables, etc. All with the CXS and the occasional help of the old Metabo...

Offline grobkuschelig

  • Posts: 427
Re: Choosing my next Festool drill(s) drives me mad! Help, please!
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2017, 06:44 AM »
Hi!

I start with the one that, in it's currently offered configuration, would be the last Festool drill I'd get: The BHC.

Now for the C/T 18+3. The most important feature (which I in fact do miss on my PDC) to me would be the selector on top to choose between drilling and driving screws... This is amazing!

Other than that, 1500 rpm aren't 3800 - that is true. Question is: if you really like the C-shape, are you willing to substitute that for the 3800 rpm of the PDC/DRC? Basically a question of how many times you're really going to (need) use top speed.

Speaking of the PDC - it's hands down the drill I'd get. I love it. It's an unbelievable versatile drill/driver...

The hooks on the PDC might seem strange at first, I had my doubts - but they do work.

Hi Oliver, thanks for the elaboration!

Especially on the BHC. I was fearing that it might be a little underpowered for an SDS drill. As you stated, I currently do not really have a use for it. It would be a "just in case" purchase, which makes limited sense... (the tool junkie came through..;)

Yes. I really like the C-type. It just feels that much more precise and weighted.
The 3800 rpm just sound so good! [emoji51]
I don't know if they will really be needed/used. Although I might use them all the time, once I have them. ;)
The rpm and the sheer power and the tremendous versatility are the things that make the PDC interesting to me at the moment.

I was hoping for a PDC upgrade with new hooks and some new features, but it does not seem to happen...

Offline grobkuschelig

  • Posts: 427
Re: Choosing my next Festool drill(s) drives me mad! Help, please!
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2017, 06:46 AM »
I was in the market for a powerful drill ever since my Makita cordless became sick and gets stuck in hammer/impact mode (only way I found to get it back into drill/driver mode was take it apart each time so not exactly convenient).

I already have a Festool CXS for the lighter tasks, and it is great, but i didn't really want another battery platform as i can't see myself getting any other Festool cordless tools.

Festool had a special recently on the DR 18 QuaDrill (corded), so i ended up getting that. Plenty of power, cord wasn't that inconvenient, and then can leave my Makita drill permanently in impact mode for the odd occasion i need to drill into bricks.

Thanks @batau
But I definitely want to go cordless.
The corded quadrill is nice, a friend of mine owns the 20/4, but it is too close to the old Metabo that is still in good shape...

Offline Birdhunter

  • Posts: 2358
  • Woodworker, Sportsman, Retired
Re: Choosing my next Festool drill(s) drives me mad! Help, please!
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2017, 07:21 AM »
I pull out the T18 when I am drilling into extremely hard woods with anything over a 1/4" bit. I also use the T18 when driving larger screws even with predrilled holes. I usually wax screws before setting them in. I use a lot of exotics in my work and they are usually very hard and very brittle. Switching back and forth between C and T handles doesn't bother me. Both fit my hands.
« Last Edit: June 14, 2017, 08:37 AM by Birdhunter »
Birdhunter

Offline Brice Burrell

  • Posts: 7355
  • Remodeling Contractor
    • The Green and Dark Blue blog
Re: Choosing my next Festool drill(s) drives me mad! Help, please!
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2017, 07:35 AM »
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that the C18/C12 fit the hand much differently than the CXS.  The small size of the CXS fits the hand perfectly while I find the full size C drills don't feel good in my hands.  I'd suggest if you think you want go the rout of the C18 that try one on your hands first.

I have the PDC and its a fine drill but there are other drills out there that will do as good or a better job for much less money.  I think Festool cordless drill are top notch and the batteries are hands down the best I've ever used (I can't vouch for the new air stream version).  That said, there are a lot of good choices out there that might fit your needs just as well. If you use cordless drills nearly everyday then Festool can be a very wise choice.  If you don't use your drills regularly then saving some money on another brand might make sense, and you can put the savings towards another Festool purchase.
Check out my new blog, The Green and Dark Blue Blog.

Offline ScotF

  • Posts: 2503
Re: Choosing my next Festool drill(s) drives me mad! Help, please!
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2017, 07:39 AM »
I pull out the T18 when I am drilling into extremely hard woods with anything over a 1/4" bit. I also use the T18 when driving larger screws even with predrilled holes. I usually wax screws before setting them in. I use a lot of exotics in my work and they are usually very hand and very brittle. Switching back and forth between C and T handles doesn't bother me. Both fit my hands.

I agree with what Bird hunter says. Larger drilling and screw tasks max out the TXS, but my C12 powers through with ease. The C18 would be even better. For furniture, I think the C and T style might be better suited to the task over the PDC. Oliver brings up great points on the switching between drill and drive on the C drill and also his points on how the PDC works. For me I needed something with more torque than the C or T provided and the PDC fit nicely. I really like the drill as a good all around drill/driver. I have debated selling the C12 and getting a C18 or T18 to keep the same battery size across all tools, but that is an extra cost that I am not sure would gain me much over my current set-up. The c and T style are lighter weight, but the PDC is not overly large and it is very well balanced. Nothing is close to the TXS or CXS, but you have that covered for those times anyway.

Offline Birdhunter

  • Posts: 2358
  • Woodworker, Sportsman, Retired
Re: Choosing my next Festool drill(s) drives me mad! Help, please!
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2017, 08:40 AM »
One more thought.... if I had to keep two drills, they would be either the CSX or TSX and the T18. If only one drill, it would be the T18.

Im struck about the comment of needing more torque. My T18 can hurt you with its torque if you are not braced. More than that, I cannot use.
Birdhunter

Offline JimH2

  • Posts: 618
Re: Choosing my next Festool drill(s) drives me mad! Help, please!
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2017, 10:34 AM »
If you like the 'C' drill then get that. No need to second guess the other drills unless you have a legitimate need for their capabilities. Weight should be a consideration if you are going to use it for long periods of time, especially if the other drills weigh which I am certain they do.

Looking at what you will use it for you can rule out the other two.

Offline ScotF

  • Posts: 2503
Re: Choosing my next Festool drill(s) drives me mad! Help, please!
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2017, 10:42 PM »
One more thought.... if I had to keep two drills, they would be either the CSX or TSX and the T18. If only one drill, it would be the T18.

Im struck about the comment of needing more torque. My T18 can hurt you with its torque if you are not braced. More than that, I cannot use.

I bought mine with the intent to screw wood through a dowel cutter and that requires lots of power and torque. Somewhat of an extreme use-case...and something probably better suited to a corded drill.

Offline yetihunter

  • Posts: 570
Re: Choosing my next Festool drill(s) drives me mad! Help, please!
« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2017, 02:43 AM »
Used to have the CXS, gave it to my sister.
Bought another CXS, returned it.
I like my T18...  a lot.
I like my PDC...  a lot.

The PDC can do anything the T18 can do, and then so much more.
I really like the padded back.
I don't like the right angle chuck for it.   Clunky/cumbersome.
Gear switches are hard (but, to be expected) to change.
LED light is manual.   
Gears can be grating, "clangy" sounding.
Electronic clutch seems to be more accurate than the T18.
Small bits into metal, the PDC is a must over the T18 (speed).

The T18 wins the edge in fitting like a glove.  Overall, easier and quicker to use (just two gears, on/off switch for clutch).
Light is automated.   Battery meter is separate and not integrated into LED lighting.   
Can handle most drilling/screwing with wood.  The right angle chuck takes milliseconds to attach and remove (same for offset).
Has an offset chuck (ball detent..requires power-bits).    Gears are more pleasant sounding.   

PDC is like a race car, T18 is like a luxury sedan. 

PDC goes "beep", T18 goes "bee doop".   

EDIT - In addition, I tend to use the T18 for common indoors tasks, woodworking and etcetera.
          The PDC gets yanked out for outdoors stuff.  Especially when I'm helping friends with fixing things on a time limit.
          GRK or Spax screws + PDC in 3 or 4 + Electronic Clutch = quicker than an Impact Driver.   YMMV

JUST BUY BOTH  [big grin]

« Last Edit: June 15, 2017, 02:47 AM by yetihunter »

Offline rdr

  • Posts: 73
Re: Choosing my next Festool drill(s) drives me mad! Help, please!
« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2017, 05:16 AM »
I've just purchase both the PDC and T18 to take advantage of the free battery offer in the UK and replace my old Dewalt Nicad's. Really like them both and they are different, The T18 seems to have better control for driving. The PDC is a definite allrounder, a jack of all trades. It feels heavy in the hand with the 5.2Ah battery but in a good balanced way and has good controllable power. I had over 100 kreg pocket holes to drill and screw yesterday which was a good introductory test, I ended up using the PDC to Drill and the T18 to screw and all I can say is that it was a pleasure compared to the dewalts - absolute night and day.

If you have the means the T/C18 and PDC make a great tag team. I have just ordered a BHC and Carvex too whilst the battery offer is still running so will have all 3 drills and 4 free batteries for them [big grin]

Offline grobkuschelig

  • Posts: 427
Re: Choosing my next Festool drill(s) drives me mad! Help, please!
« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2017, 05:19 AM »
Used to have the CXS, gave it to my sister.
Bought another CXS, returned it.
I like my T18...  a lot.
I like my PDC...  a lot.
...
JUST BUY BOTH  [big grin]

Yes, that's the problem. I seem to be drawn to acquire the complete range.. ;)

Thank you all for your feedback so far it is tremendously appreciated!

For now, I am contemplating getting the C18 for a start.
I will visit my dealer on Monday with a big piece of wood and some screws and forstners.
I have "dry handled" all of the drills numerous times now, but never really "worked" them.

The mentioned switch between drilling and screwing in the T/C with the torque to be fixed on a different switch is a huge plus.
If the drill would only go up to 3800 rpm... ;)

Keep your input coming. I'll update my findings after the try out and give a review after purchase. :)

Offline grobkuschelig

  • Posts: 427
Re: Choosing my next Festool drill(s) drives me mad! Help, please!
« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2017, 05:24 AM »
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that the C18/C12 fit the hand much differently than the CXS.  The small size of the CXS fits the hand perfectly while I find the full size C drills don't feel good in my hands.  I'd suggest if you think you want go the rout of the C18 that try one on your hands first.

Good point, as mentioned I dry-handled the C18 numerous times and keep coming back to it, because it feels so well balanced and controllable in my hand.
I know, at first it is a little less so, because the T-handle gives the feeling of a firmer grip, but I always find myself aligning my index finger with the drill axis, even on a T, as far as possible. And this just makes the C18 feel like an robot-extension to my hand.  [cool]

Offline grobkuschelig

  • Posts: 427
Re: Choosing my next Festool drill(s) drives me mad! Help, please!
« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2017, 04:31 PM »
I've just purchase both the PDC and T18 to take advantage of the free battery offer in the UK and replace my old Dewalt Nicad's. Really like them both and they are different, The T18 seems to have better control for driving. The PDC is a definite allrounder, a jack of all trades. It feels heavy in the hand with the 5.2Ah battery but in a good balanced way and has good controllable power. I had over 100 kreg pocket holes to drill and screw yesterday which was a good introductory test, I ended up using the PDC to Drill and the T18 to screw and all I can say is that it was a pleasure compared to the dewalts - absolute night and day.

If you have the means the T/C18 and PDC make a great tag team. I have just ordered a BHC and Carvex too whilst the battery offer is still running so will have all 3 drills and 4 free batteries for them [big grin]

Hi @rdr , you seem to be stumbling in the trap I'm still trying to evade.. ;)

The Carvex is on the purchase list as well, but thanks to the recommendations here, I'll push the BHC, at least until I really have a need for it.
I'm contemplating if I should get just one of the contenders (PDC, C18) or both. And also in what package/set version.
It is truly baffling how those sets are put together..  [scratch chin]

I'd like to have the SCA 8 charger but that only comes in the big sets.

The Fast-Fix attachments are available on quite good deals separately, if I shop around the web.

Are you using the attachments much? And for which purpose?
- Right Angle?
- Depth Stop?

For small screws and such, I have a right-angle on the CXS.
If I get a C18, I will definitely get the off-center-chuck, because it is purely awesome. ;)

Offline rdr

  • Posts: 73
Re: Choosing my next Festool drill(s) drives me mad! Help, please!
« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2017, 04:51 PM »
It is a trap and I have total fallen for it hook line and sinker  [big grin] Up until 2 months ago I didn't own any Festool gear and now I seem to have a bank of sys ports housing 9 tools!

For the drills I went with the Basic sets so no angle or off-centre gadgets, I did think about getting one of the Sets just to get them as they would work with both drills but found some cracking deals on the basic sets so went with them.  I bought the SCA 8 charger seperate using a £50 Festool voucher I had which made my "man math" strategy even better! I ordered the Carvex on FFX Festool promo day and the full accessory set for it too, still waiting for it to be delivered.

 My first battery only turned up this week (took 3 weeks) so until now couldn't try the drills, I have bought some centrotec bits   which I'm getting used to and using the Bit adapter for my Kreg Bits which I need to look into as it ends up too long and wobbles too much for my liking, there has to be a neat solution for Kreg and these drills.

Offline grobkuschelig

  • Posts: 427
Re: Choosing my next Festool drill(s) drives me mad! Help, please!
« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2017, 10:37 AM »
Dear all, thank you again for your very valuable input!  [thanks]

Based on your feedback I finally went on with my decision:
Purchased:
- C 18 basic
- PSC 420 basic
- SCA 8 charger
- 2x BP 3.1 A batteries
- DD-ES off-center chuck (eBay classifieds with a great deal!)

I found real good deals on all this, so after numerous comparisons of all the different set-prices, it turned out to be cheaper to get everything separately and this allowed me to get the quick charger (SCA 8) which would not have been included with one of the "compact"-sets with the 3.1 amp batteries (TCL 6 is included in anything but the highest configs, or SCA-labeled sets).

If there are sufficient funds around, I will add the PDC 18/4 basic by the end of the month to take advantage of the battery-for-free deal festool currently offers here.  [cool]

Thanks again! I'll quickly make a post, once the stuff arrived and give feedback, it I still stand by my decision.  [popcorn] [scratch chin]

Offline waho6o9

  • Posts: 1402
    • Garage Door Handyman.com
Re: Choosing my next Festool drill(s) drives me mad! Help, please!
« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2017, 10:47 AM »
Great thread, I too appreciate all comments and experiences.

Offline ScotF

  • Posts: 2503
Re: Choosing my next Festool drill(s) drives me mad! Help, please!
« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2017, 05:48 PM »
Excellent choices! Looking forward to hearing how it all works for you.

Offline rdr

  • Posts: 73
Re: Choosing my next Festool drill(s) drives me mad! Help, please!
« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2017, 02:10 PM »
@grobkuschelig

Great decisions and wise move ordering the smaller batteries too, the one thing i have found is the T18 in particular is a tad heavy with the 5A batteries you will receive from the Festool promotion or at least it is when your using it for hours on end. I will be looking at purchasing smaller batteries for it I think.