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Offline Woodmatt

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Cleantec conneting system
« on: May 03, 2016, 06:48 AM »
Hi All,

I have today received through the post a leaflet about "The new Cleantec connecting system with integrated Bayonet catch". can anyone enlighten me as to what this is.The leaflet description does not seem to help.

Thanks

Matthew
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Offline GarryMartin

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Re: Cleantec conneting system
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2016, 07:03 AM »
It's a new hose end with a twist lock to stop the hose coming off the tool inadvertently.

The new hose ends seem to be available, but I still haven't seen details of the replacement tool dust connectors for things like the TS 55, RO 150 etc. I assume at some point, as the connection is backwards compatible, that tools will start to have the new connection format as standard.

Offline DJW

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Re: Cleantec conneting system
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2016, 01:26 PM »
I just bought the hk85 and the new hose end was thrown in. As well as working with the new tool nozzles with a twist and lock, it has the ribs on the inside to fit domino and rotex etc
It  also fits inside the standard ts nozzle with a friction fit. So even if they don't release updated nozzles for old tools it will still work. 

Offline Woodmatt

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Re: Cleantec conneting system
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2016, 03:21 PM »
Thanks guys, I wonder how well that will work with the oval dust port on say the OF1010.
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Re: Cleantec conneting system
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2016, 03:23 PM »
Thanks guys, I wonder how well that will work with the oval dust port on say the OF1010.

....will still fit but will not 'lock' on.
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Re: Cleantec conneting system
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2016, 03:24 PM »
Hi
I have the part numbers for the fittings and will post tomorrow
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Offline Paul G

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Re: Cleantec conneting system
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2016, 03:28 PM »
hmmm, so when is this stuff coming to the US?
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Re: Cleantec conneting system
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2016, 03:31 PM »
hmmm, so when is this stuff coming to the US?

......will step aside and bow to my colleagues from the U.S on this question  [wink]  @TylerC
rg
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Offline Woodmatt

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Re: Cleantec conneting system
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2016, 04:36 PM »
Thanks Phil but you don't have my address  ;)
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Re: Cleantec conneting system
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2016, 05:00 PM »
Thanks Phil but you don't have my address  ;)

.....use of English language was never a strong point at school  [wink].......'will post on the forum'
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Offline Paul G

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Re: Cleantec conneting system
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2016, 07:25 PM »
hmmm, so when is this stuff coming to the US?

......will step aside and bow to my colleagues from the U.S on this question  [wink] @Tyler
rg
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Re: Cleantec conneting system
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2018, 06:57 PM »
hmmm, so when is this stuff coming to the US?

......will step aside and bow to my colleagues from the U.S on this question  [wink] @Tyler
rg
Phil

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Offline Sanderxpander

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Re: Cleantec conneting system
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2018, 08:01 AM »
The most annoying thing about it is that there's always dust left inside the grooves when you disconnect. And they obsoleted the old "regular" 27mm connector.

Offline sdes

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Re: Cleantec conneting system
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2018, 05:09 AM »
Hi All,

I have today received through the post a leaflet about "The new Cleantec connecting system with integrated Bayonet catch". can anyone enlighten me as to what this is.The leaflet description does not seem to help.

Thanks

Matthew

The other thing to be wary of is that the new design on non-snagging hose comes with the Cleantec bayonet at the tool end on some models but not others.

Confusion is not helped by the fact that some of the product info on Festool's own website (in the UK anyhow) is incorrect.

I recieved a flyer about the new hoses just after Xmas and, frustrated with the old hose fallying off my Festool router that does have the bayonet, I found the 36-32mm tapered hose - Suction hose D 36/32x3,5m-AS - was available in the new format and descibed in the features list as:

"the CLEANTEC extraction sleeve securely connects the suction hose and power tool with bayonet fitting"


When it arrived, the packaging illustrated a bayonet end, but although the hose was the new woven sleeved non-snag great improvement, the end was without bayonet.

I contacted my reseller, they told me it must be a mistake on their website, I checked the Festool.co.uk website, same wrong info. My reseller told me that hose had no bayonet end, and no retrofit bayonet end was available.

Before I sent it back, I thought I would contact Festool UK tech help to double check. They told me there was actually and end available, and because it had been miss-described, they would send one to me free of charge. At that point I started using the hose I was otherwise have going to return.

When the end arrived it was for a 36mm non tapered hose of the old style - impossible to fit on the new hose. I called Festool UK tech again, this time I was told there was no availableend for the tapered hose. They then queried which tools I wanted to use it with as to why I would want the bayonet features anyway? Well, for all the reasons you market it.

Anyhow, it turned out the reseller was correct all along. Thankfully they (powertool-supplies.co.uk) are a very helpful lot, and agreed to exchange the now used hose for a 36mm non tapered version with the bayonet end - yes, I did get them to check before sending!

Well over 3 weeks after I raised the issue, the Festool UK website is still listing it as a feature of that hose.



The bayonet system is great by the way with bayonet tools, but worse than the plain sleeve with non bayonet as it allows some air into the junction because of the bayonet "lumps" creating gaps onto a plain tube. What doesn't seem to exist that I can find is retrofit connectors for the tools to enable them to be upgraded. For example I have and older Circular saw TS 75 EQ, it is now shown on the Festool website with a Cleantec bayonet connector - (although oddly, unlike the hose that lists it as a feature when it isn't there, the saw description doesn't seem to mention it) - but there is no "accessory" / "spare" listed to upgrade.

So, summay, a worthwhile upgrade if the model you want is both snag free and has the bayonet end.

Stick with your old hose if the only change on the model you want is the snag free sleeve and its "bayonetless" and buy a much cheaper cable / hose guide for the ends of the cutting guides.

Cheers

Stephen.




Offline Corwin

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Re: Cleantec conneting system
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2018, 05:07 PM »
Do these different sized hoses all attach to a single size bayonet -- in other words, all [new] tools have the same size dust port?
Looks like your rabbit joint is a hare off! ;)

Offline Sanderxpander

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Re: Cleantec conneting system
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2018, 05:54 PM »
The sanders all use 27mm connectors and the recent ones all have bayonet connectors. The other tools don't, e.g. the TS55 still has a "smooth" dust port that fits a 27mm hose end (inside) or a 36mm hose end (over it). I honestly haven't noticed "worse suction" with the 27mm bayonet hose in my TS55 dust port. I dislike it because dust gets caught in it, and because it doesn't fit my Mirka Deros as well as the old connector would have (which is now unavailable).

Offline Corwin

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Re: Cleantec conneting system
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2018, 10:19 PM »
No, I was asking about the new bayonet fittings. I already have and know about the [now] 'old' stuff.

I have to think that the bayonet on a D36 is the same as on the D27, as far as the bayonet size goes. So, these new fittings either are a limiting (restricting) factor on the larger hose, or a little bulkier than they could be for the smaller hoses and, thus, a bulkier than optimal dust port on many of the tools.

Maybe I just haven't warmed up to this new hose-end change. It seems that it will make the Festool equipment all work together a little better in some respects. And, easier for those new to the Festool lineup. Yet, this change doesn't look like it will play as well with non-Festool items. I do wish that Festool would continue to offer their old tool-end fittings for all of us that have a lot of their old tools that don't, and won't, have the bayonet-style port.

And finally, this latest change almost begs the question; why didn't they also incorporate a locking ring on the vacuum-end fittings, and the corresponding threaded ring on both the new extractors and the new tool-end fittings? Heck, my 13 year old ShopVac has this at the vacuum's intake port and accepts hoses with or without this feature.
Looks like your rabbit joint is a hare off! ;)