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« Reply #30 on: August 04, 2012, 11:55 AM » |
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Whoops sorry, I just found the faq on the cms.
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« Reply #31 on: August 04, 2012, 12:11 PM » |
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I heard through the grapevine that the switch on the table only passed for the 1010 and 1400 and that the 2200 had different electronics that did not pass for that switch? Just a rumor, but sounds plausible. I just dont see how you would want this set up without the 2200. With it, it sounds great. For someone like the King, who brings everything to your driveway it would be ideal. How many HP is the 2200? and the 1400 for that matter? Probably wont be able to see one in action until Woodfest? Eric
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« Reply #32 on: August 04, 2012, 12:24 PM » |
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You'll see one in action at my house bro!
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« Reply #33 on: August 04, 2012, 12:38 PM » |
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I heard through the grapevine that the switch on the table only passed for the 1010 and 1400 and that the 2200 had different electronics that did not pass for that switch? Just a rumor, but sounds plausible. I just dont see how you would want this set up without the 2200. With it, it sounds great. For someone like the King, who brings everything to your driveway it would be ideal. How many HP is the 2200? and the 1400 for that matter? Probably wont be able to see one in action until Woodfest? Eric
The 2,200 watt 2200 would be just under 3hp. The 1,400 watt 1400 would be ~1.9hp.
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« Reply #34 on: August 04, 2012, 12:43 PM » |
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Seems to me the table is the hard part. Smuggling in the rest from Europe or getting aftermarket solutions to expand the functionality shouldn't be too bad.
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Bob, as your close friend, im telling you now that if you do this I am contacting your wife and parents and we are having an intervention. You already have way too many router tables, two of which are probably just as nice as the CMS. In the five years ive known you, you have probably had five different router tables set ups. At least promise me you will wait for the 2200? Admitting you have a problem is the first step. Eric
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« Reply #36 on: August 04, 2012, 01:15 PM » |
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I think that I will just keep my Kreg Precision Router Table with the Kreg lift and PC7518 which was $1100 total. Especially since there will not be anymore modules available. Without the other modules the CMS is way over priced and almost silly to even sell. The CMS is designed for how many tools?... 3 routers, jigsaws, track saws, belt sander,... and they are only offering it to use with 2 of the routers, one of which (OF1010) is almost pointless in a table and the one which would be most beneficial (OF2200) isn't even offered. Come on! I'll probably regret posting this but it's how I feel. I thought a $1250 mitre saw was crazy, but I bought it anyway. $425 for the 98 piece installers kit, you got to be kidding me, bought it. I'm not buying the CMS! If anyone does buy it please let me know how it is working out for ya.
I'm jogging along beside you. Once the ts module is released , we will see. It does look awesome, just not that awesome as a router table. 
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« Reply #37 on: August 04, 2012, 01:33 PM » |
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Runhard, i feel exactly the way you do and its unfortunate that you have to feel the way you do. This forum to my understanding is about open discussion. Festool is not perfect, just like i am not perfect and no one on this forum is perfect. You shouldnt agree with every tool Festool comes out with and the best way to show them is by not buying it. You should be able to come on here and express your opinion that you think it is overpriced compared to other models on the market. Just bc this site is run by Festool doesnt mean you always have to be pro Festool. I am 90% pro Festool and about 10% not. There are just a few products that I cant get behind, most of them recent. It also worries me that while Festool wants to move into different industries now, they will forget about the woodworkers that helped make them great. If the FOG turns into discussions about the automotive industry i probably wouldnt check in anymore, Eric
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« Reply #38 on: August 04, 2012, 03:58 PM » |
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I heard through the grapevine that the switch on the table only passed for the 1010 and 1400 and that the 2200 had different electronics that did not pass for that switch? Just a rumor, but sounds plausible. I just dont see how you would want this set up without the 2200. With it, it sounds great. For someone like the King, who brings everything to your driveway it would be ideal. How many HP is the 2200? and the 1400 for that matter? Probably wont be able to see one in action until Woodfest? Eric
Eric We used the CMS w/ the 2200 router in the advance router class that I went to earlier this year. Fred
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« Reply #39 on: August 04, 2012, 04:34 PM » |
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The TS is what I really would like to see as well. I understand the safety concerns, but to only offer the router module, and that without being able to use the OF2200, is almost insulting.
Insulting? Hm..... maybe you should think twice about where that 'insulting' part comes from before you utter the words. Because it sure ain't Festool who's doing the insulting here, I mean, over here in Europe we can have their stuff. In Australia they can have their stuff. In Africa they can have their stuff. And the rest of the world. They would happily sell it to you Americans too. It is not Festool who are keeping you from getting these goodies. Sure, it's Festool who decide whether or not to sell them to you, but apparently some other factors, and one might say, NORTH AMERICAN factors, to be specific, influence their decisions heavily in this case. I mean, if the rest of the world can have Festool's products without limitations, but not North America, then, instead of blaming Festool, shouldn't you better point your finger at North America? 
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« Reply #40 on: August 04, 2012, 05:02 PM » |
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Totally agree with Alex. I'm sure run hard and Eric agree. There's lots of misplaced anger in this country right now.
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« Reply #41 on: August 04, 2012, 05:05 PM » |
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I don't know why people are so angry over the CMS features or lack there of... just don't buy it if you don't like it!
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« Reply #42 on: August 04, 2012, 05:21 PM » |
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I was just offering a non popular viewpoint on a tool. You are still aloud to do that right? Eric
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« Reply #44 on: August 04, 2012, 07:02 PM » |
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Because it sure ain't Festool who's doing the insulting here, I mean, over here in Europe we can have their stuff. In Australia they can have their stuff. In Africa they can have their stuff. And the rest of the world. They would happily sell it to you Americans too. It is not Festool who are keeping you from getting these goodies. Sure, it's Festool who decide whether or not to sell them to you, but apparently some other factors, and one might say, NORTH AMERICAN factors, to be specific, influence their decisions heavily in this case. I mean, if the rest of the world can have Festool's products without limitations, but not North America, then, instead of blaming Festool, shouldn't you better point your finger at North America?  I am sure that Festool is going through the same growing pains that a lot of manufacturers do when they decide to go into new markets. They first think to sell their existing product line, and then find there are some local idiosyncrasies that weren't considered in the original design. As time goes on an understanding of these differences is built up and when new tools are designed they are built from the start to comply with requirements for the new markets as well as the old ones. LOTS of companies sell into NA from all over the world. More so than Africa, Australia, etc. It's clearly a Festool issue. These issues will slowly go away as Festool becomes more acclimated to NA.
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« Reply #45 on: August 04, 2012, 10:03 PM » |
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Alex, Maybe you should think twice before you utter your words, because my intent wasn't a bash against Festool as a company, but it was against the NA limitations on the tools!
Surely a foreigner doesn't need to explain your own language to you?  The TS is what I really would like to see as well. I understand the safety concerns, but to only offer the router module, and that without being able to use the OF2200, is almost insulting.
But lets do it anyway. The verb "to offer" requires a subject, which in this context can only be Festool, as router modules aren't generally offered by NA limitations. Now if you mean something else then what you've written, that's possible, but your readers, like me, only have your written words to go on, and your written words were quite clear, leaving little room for interpretation.
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« Reply #46 on: August 04, 2012, 10:59 PM » |
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Alex, Maybe you should think twice before you utter your words, because my intent wasn't a bash against Festool as a company, but it was against the NA limitations on the tools!
Surely a foreigner doesn't need to explain your own language to you?  The TS is what I really would like to see as well. I understand the safety concerns, but to only offer the router module, and that without being able to use the OF2200, is almost insulting.
But lets do it anyway. The verb "to offer" requires a subject, which in this context can only be Festool, as router modules aren't generally offered by NA limitations. Now if you mean something else then what you've written, that's possible, but your readers, like me, only have your written words to go on, and your written words were quite clear, leaving little room for interpretation. Actually "to offer" is an infinitive phrase which does not require a subject. I will not waste anymore of my time explaining myself to someone who is clearly trying to attack me personally. You misunderstood, and I tried to make it clear that I wasn't bashing Festool.
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« Reply #47 on: August 05, 2012, 12:25 AM » |
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Lets put the language class and picking at each other to rest guys.
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Lets put the language class and picking at each other to rest guys.
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Well done Seth... I used to work for a German general who every now and again would correct my English. At first I resented his 'intrusion' into the domain of my mother tongue but then I realised that he was right. He had been educated in the old fashioned way, perhaps did Latin as well, and so I discovered that he, like Alex, was always spot on. Peter
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Let's leave it alone as Seth suggested just a couple posts and move back to talking about the tools.
If you wish to discuss other things do it via a PM.
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« Reply #50 on: August 05, 2012, 10:06 AM » |
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Thank you Seth & Peter Tinker
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« Reply #51 on: August 05, 2012, 01:29 PM » |
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The CMS looks like a great router table....although I would only be interested if it had the 2200.
I'm desiring a new table. My Kreg system is a good unit but I like the idea of the Jessem or CMS. The 2200 has been on my list for a long time as its by far the most innovative. Perhaps the CMS and 2200 would be a good addition....or eliminate the Kreg and go to the Jessem? Remember when there wasn't nearly the options and everyone made there own systems?
Decisions are getting harder with all the options!
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Its a little bit like the Olympics...
Athletes are getting better, competition is driving standards and we are all reaping the benefits. The top manufacturers (like Mafell, Festool and so on) are now having to work harder to try and stay one step ahead - guess who benefits - you and me!
As an aside - there is one advantage that Festool have above all of the competition, it is the FOG which, as I have said before, is greater than the sum of its parts, thanks to the dedication and enthusiasm of its members.
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« Reply #53 on: August 05, 2012, 02:26 PM » |
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The CMS with 2200 and TS modules and I'm a new owner for sure.  Me too
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At the end of the day you will have the cms in the states and any serious users will be able to obtain any of the various inserts they desire with little difficulty,and this must be pretty obvious to all and festool are not exposed to any litigation due to misuse of any modules not officially available in the states 
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Ive been eargerly chomping at the bit for the CMS to be released in the states.
But now looking at it soberly,
The unit I would want would be roughly $1200, Plus the cost of a 2200,( which I would figure out a way to install it).
That would be close to $2K for a router table and router.
So unless the other modules are released such as the TS, I can see where it would be cost prohibited.
I could literlaly sell my free standing cast iron router table , buy me a router table top insert ect use my PC 7815 router and just clamp it between my 2 MFTs or make me a router table like Guidos that will attach to the MFT and I will have a portable unit wich will save me space.
Plus I will have saved enough $$ to pick up the domino XL & kit.
I figure I would be money ahead this way.
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I used to work for a German general who every now and again would correct my English. At first I resented his 'intrusion' into the domain of my mother tongue but then I realised that he was right. He had been educated in the old fashioned way, perhaps did Latin as well, and so I discovered that he, like Alex, was always spot on.
Peter
I have had the same experience with my wife, who is from Santiago, Chile. Her English is significantly better than mine, due in large part to the depth of her education and life experience. It really became an issue when one of the schools I sent my children to automatically thought my sons would be weak in English because their mother is a Hispanic immigrant. They got read the riot act which included the details of my wife's background. I don't think the school administration liked that experience but they brought it on themselves by stereotyping and profiling people without actually doing an evaluation.
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I have two home made router tables - my original is a stand alone bench (on large castor wheels) and the second fits on the end of my MFT. I have the CMS unit but have to save to get the router insert. My very first look at the CMS-OF made me feel that the whole thing was too small but since building my MFT add on router table, which is about the same size as the CMS, I have changed my mind. I rarely throw big bits of wood at a router these days but know that my MFT can act as an in-feed or out-feed table if required. I have other moveable benches which have been made to the same (90cm) height as the MFT if things get desperate.
Oh, Andvari...I used to hate getting the telephone call from my general 'Peter, please pop up to my office' - it often meant another English lesson, more swallowing of pride and a little extra work. Never mind - he was always right, of course, he was German.
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I have two home made router tables - my original is a stand alone bench (on large castor wheels) and the second fits on the end of my MFT. I have the CMS unit but have to save to get the router insert. My very first look at the CMS-OF made me feel that the whole thing was too small but since building my MFT add on router table, which is about the same size as the CMS, I have changed my mind. I rarely throw big bits of wood at a router these days but know that my MFT can act as an in-feed or out-feed table if required. I have other moveable benches which have been made to the same (90cm) height as the MFT if things get desperate.
Oh, Andvari...I used to hate getting the telephone call from my general 'Peter, please pop up to my office' - it often meant another English lesson, more swallowing of pride and a little extra work. Never mind - he was always right, of course, he was German.
Peter
For my small workspace, i am thinking the CMS wood be perfect. A lot of machinery to be set up as needed but stored away as not needed. I won't jump right on to it until i get a chance to play with it or see a demo or two. About those Germans always being right, has anybody ever driven a car in Germany. It seems all drivers are always correct, no matter what the situation. They just know that. They all know that the other guy will always do the right thing. ALWAYS.  The second or third time my wife and I, along with both children, visited her family, we decided to get away from everybody and go off on our own for a few days. we had rented a small car (VW Golf 2 dr) and headed for the Black Forest area. For the most part, the drive was very relaxing and we enjoyed the scenery and the occasional stops and food adventures. We were moving along a particularly curvy section of road with many small hilly sections. As we came around a tight corner, i saw a large truckload of logs coming towards the intersection. The truck was moving a bit faster than i felt he could make the stop. I realized i had a couple of choices and decided i could be of most assistance to the trucker's problem by slowing down to give him room to make his turn without burning up brakes. In US, a slowing down in a tight spot and blinking headlites would be a signal for the oncoming vehicle to keep moving. there were no stop signs in any direction at the intersection. It was not a cross roads and I knew the trucker could probably not stop no matter how much weight he might apply with his foot to brake. I just blinked my lights and hoped he could make the turn. The truckdriver just leaned on his air horn and only slowed a little. As we got closer, i realized he was actually trying to make the stop. He was blasting on his horn and appeared to be standing. He must have really been pushing on the brakes. He then started waving his fists at the windshield and i could see he was yelling. I didn't think he was trying to start a friendly conversation and if i were to actually come to a stop, the disadvantage would be mine as his truck would be totally blocking the highway. I did not think his next action would have been to shake hands and pat me on the back as if i were a long lost friend. I floorboarded the Golf and got past the truck. Fro the next four or five miles, all i could see in my rearview was truck bumper. That guy was parking in my backseat. My wife and kids were getting more then nervous. my wife was telling me to slow down and let him pass. there was no way he could have gotten past me with all of the corners. I could not get much more out of the Golf. The only advantage I had was that i was an experienced truck driver. I knew how he needed to negotiate both hills and corners. Not too many corners in that stretch, but lots of low hills. I knew i should not slow down on the downgrades. i had to give him plenty of space at the bottom of hills so he could build up speed for the upgrade. With his load of logs, he could still practically push me up the hills. I was probably closer to over load with the small car and four people than he was with several tons of logs. At some point, the trucker must have realized i was trying hard to not hinder his travels and he backed off a little. A few miles down the road, i noticed in my mirror that he was blinking his lights at me and then he turned off. I think he might have realized that had i not slowed down at the beginning, i probably would not have realized he was in a hurry  and I might not have speeded up in places where he had needed extra speed. Tinker
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« Reply #59 on: August 06, 2012, 08:31 AM » |
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In Germany, atleast on the autobahn, flashing headlight means 'give way, I'm going significantly faster than you' especially if combined with a blinker to the left on the leftmost lane... That could be the reason the truck driver misinterpreted your well meaning signal to go ahead. Don't know what would be the local signal to give way thou. In Finland you would wave your hand from right to left to signal that he can go first. What always amazes me in Germany is the traffic culture that has developed there - people actually understand that to make traffic work you need to work with your companions on the road and not just selfishly go about your driving with a 'me, myself and I' attitude. There is about 10x the amount of vehicles in Germany compared to Finland and traffic just works, road works or not vs. here if there's a shower of rain everything grinds to a halt... I always joke that the Finnish population suffers from total driving capability loss when the first snow flake touches ground 
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