Author Topic: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander  (Read 70352 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Festool USA

  • Festool USA Employee
    FOG Administrator
  • *
  • Posts: 8280
    • Festool USA
Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« on: February 16, 2015, 03:46 PM »
Ask your questions here about the CONTURO and related items. Keeping them in a single thread will help everyone.

Shane

Festool USA does not pre-approve the contents of this website nor endorse the application or use of any Festool product in any way other than in the manner described in the Festool Instruction Manual. To reduce the risk of serious injury and/or damage to your Festool product, always read, understand and follow all warnings and instructions in your Festool product's Instruction Manual. Although Festool strives for accuracy in the website material, the website may contain inaccuracies. Festool makes no representations about the accuracy, reliability, completeness or timeliness of the material on this website or about the results to be obtained from using the website. Festool and its affiliates cannot be responsible for improper postings or your reliance on the website's material. Your use of any material contained on this website is entirely at your own risk. The content contained on this site is provided for informational purposes only and does not constitute professional advice.


Offline Festool USA

  • Festool USA Employee
    FOG Administrator
  • *
  • Posts: 8280
    • Festool USA
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2015, 03:47 PM »
How does the Conturo MFK differ from the current MFK router? If it's just the base, is the Conturo MFK base available on its own so I can use the MFK I already have?

Yes, the base is designed specifically for edgebanding applications and has an integrated bearing brake. This version of the MFK will only come with the vertical base, but it capable of accepting the other MFK bases, sold separarely.

http://www.edgebander.com/edge-bander-trim-router/#BearingBrake
« Last Edit: February 16, 2015, 03:51 PM by Shane Holland »

Offline copcarcollector

  • Posts: 1359
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2015, 03:50 PM »
This version of the MFK will only come with the vertical base, but it capable of accepting the other MFK bases, sold separarely.

But not the other way around, correct? The Conturo MFK base is not available as an add on part for current MFK owners?

Offline Festool USA

  • Festool USA Employee
    FOG Administrator
  • *
  • Posts: 8280
    • Festool USA
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2015, 03:54 PM »
Sorry, yes, you can get the edging base as a spare part.

Item# 500590, $137.54 USD

Offline CMortz

  • Posts: 7
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2015, 05:47 AM »
Ok so now I'm a little confused. I'm about to purchase the MFK predominantly for trimming edge banding. Does this mean I should buy this version. I still want to do all the other things that a mfk can do. Should I buy this model and add the other bases and edge guide. Or will I get away with the standard MFK (I'm in New Zealand so not sure it's available here yet)

Regards

Chris
CS70,CT33, Domino 500, MFT3, OF1010,TS55, T15,ti15, RO150,ETS150,lr32

Offline Woodkrafts

  • Posts: 61
    • Woodkrafts
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2015, 06:21 AM »
Ok, whats the price going to be on this baby?
Is it worth it or I still have to sweet talk my wife to give up her iron hiding place.. Then I occasionally do some edge banding.

Regards Woodkrafts

Offline tjbnwi

  • Posts: 5149
  • Cedar Tucky Indiana
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2015, 07:27 AM »
Ok, whats the price going to be on this baby?
Is it worth it or I still have to sweet talk my wife to give up her iron hiding place.. Then I occasionally do some edge banding.

Regards Woodkrafts

Shane may get mad about this but------

Unless you plan on doing more than the occasional edge banding the Conturo would not be worth the investment. Edge banding 2 to 3 times a week or a lot of curved work, no doubt the Conturo would be the way to go.

If this was available this time last year I would already own one. Right now with the current volume not sure if I'll invest in one.

Buy your own iron, you can get a modeling seaming iron or a cheep dry iron (you don't need the steam model).

Tom

Offline JNComplete

  • Posts: 10
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2015, 08:39 AM »
This tool looks much more handy than the larger, more stationary models---obviously.
Any idea what it will cost?
I use a lot of pre glued edgebanding, where you just iron it on.  Will this tool still work? 
Can I use my own edgebanding with it?

Thanks in advance!

Jon
Jonathan
Kapex, Domino 500, CT 26, 1400 series, LR 32, ETS 125(2)

Offline SittingElf

  • Posts: 1374
  • 66 Systainers and rising! YIKES!
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2015, 08:49 AM »
This tool looks much more handy than the larger, more stationary models---obviously.
Any idea what it will cost?
I use a lot of pre glued edgebanding, where you just iron it on.  Will this tool still work? 
Can I use my own edgebanding with it?

Thanks in advance!

Jon

It is not designed to be used with pre-glued banding. It uses glue pucks which are melted in the machine and then applied to the banding as it is being installed.  Price starts at See Here plus accessories.

Nice that Festool added two more colors for the glues.  When I bought mine in Germany, there was only white and natural. The new colors are great to have access to! (Black and Brown)

Cheers,

Frank
Woodworking is 3% talent and 97% paying attention to the FOG! 

hammerfelderowners.com

Offline Sean Ackerman

  • Festool Dealer
  • *
  • Posts: 1638
  • Festool Dealer near NYC - 10,000 sq feet!
    • Festoolproducts.com
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2015, 01:02 PM »
Ok, whats the price going to be on this baby?
Is it worth it or I still have to sweet talk my wife to give up her iron hiding place.. Then I occasionally do some edge banding.

Regards Woodkrafts

Woodkrafts, it'll be about $3200 for the set and $2800 for the "bare bones" version.  See the micro site below for ALL the info.

Conturo Micro Site
Buy Festool Online" class="bbc_img

Offline Steve Rowe

  • Posts: 821
  • Teach them safety when they are young.
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2015, 07:00 PM »
Do the radius edgebanding router bits all use the same body with just a change in cutters?  In other words, can you just have one body and interchange cutters to get the desired radius?

Offline madera

  • Posts: 36
  • Madera Kitchen & Bath
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2015, 01:56 PM »
Shane, does this mean we can finally have the sys-vac and clamps now? They work so well with the conturo it would only make sense......please!!!
Ts 55, 3 - MFT/3, Domino DF 500 Set, Domino 700 XL, Ti15, T15, C12, CXS, 2- ETS 150, RO 90, MFK 700 Set, 2-OF 1400, OF2200, CMS, CT26, CT 36 AC, Planex, Vecturo OS 400 set, EHL 65,          2-Kapex, Kapex MFT and SYS Cooltainer!

Offline Steve Rowe

  • Posts: 821
  • Teach them safety when they are young.
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2015, 07:34 PM »
Shane, does this mean we can finally have the sys-vac and clamps now? They work so well with the conturo it would only make sense......please!!!

I wish there was a way to like this post.   ;)

Offline Festool USA

  • Festool USA Employee
    FOG Administrator
  • *
  • Posts: 8280
    • Festool USA
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2015, 07:53 PM »
Ok so now I'm a little confused. I'm about to purchase the MFK predominantly for trimming edge banding. Does this mean I should buy this version. I still want to do all the other things that a mfk can do. Should I buy this model and add the other bases and edge guide. Or will I get away with the standard MFK (I'm in New Zealand so not sure it's available here yet)

Chris, sorry I somehow missed the new posts in this thread. The "original" for lack of a better word MFK 700 is fully capable of trimming edge banding. In fact, that's what the MFK excels at. This new version of the MFK has a slightly modified vertical (only) base with a bearing brake on it. Otherwise, it's the same MFK as before. It will accept all MFK accessories, including optional bases.

Any idea what it will cost?
I use a lot of pre glued edgebanding, where you just iron it on.  Will this tool still work? 
Can I use my own edgebanding with it?

John, the price in the U.S. is $2800, or $3200 if you buy it with the optional Trimming Set which has a lot of nice accessories. You need to use edge banding that's not got glue on it (non-glued). Yes, you can use your own edge banding.

Do the radius edgebanding router bits all use the same body with just a change in cutters?  In other words, can you just have one body and interchange cutters to get the desired radius?

No, you cannot buy just the cutters and they aren't interchangeable. However, you can rotate the cutters four times to extend the life of the cutter.

Shane, does this mean we can finally have the sys-vac and clamps now? They work so well with the conturo it would only make sense......please!!!

As you can see, there was no mention of the Vac-Sys on the website or in any of our announcements. We're very aware that the Vac-Sys would be well suited for this application in particularly and would definitely like to add it to the product offerings. But, no information to share about it being available at this time.

Shane

Offline CMortz

  • Posts: 7
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2015, 03:50 AM »
 Thanks  for the response Shane.
I've been researching the MFK for some time. unfortunately it's not that well known down here so  although I have made the decision to purchase (funds permitting) I haven't  been able to "play" with one to confirm exactly what accessories I need.

Am I correct in assuming this model is the MFK 700 EQ/B

Chris
CS70,CT33, Domino 500, MFT3, OF1010,TS55, T15,ti15, RO150,ETS150,lr32

Offline Festool USA

  • Festool USA Employee
    FOG Administrator
  • *
  • Posts: 8280
    • Festool USA
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2015, 08:27 AM »
Am I correct in assuming this model is the MFK 700 EQ/B

Yes, the "B" is for the bearing brake.

Offline CMortz

  • Posts: 7
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2015, 09:51 PM »
Thanks
CS70,CT33, Domino 500, MFT3, OF1010,TS55, T15,ti15, RO150,ETS150,lr32

Offline Tim Morris

  • Posts: 318
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2015, 10:28 PM »
Shane I've glanced over the micro sites and maybe I've missed this somewhere. Will this bander apply 3mm banding commonly used on commercial work? Will it apply plastic laminate strips? Will it apply wood strips?  THANKS TIM

Offline Festool USA

  • Festool USA Employee
    FOG Administrator
  • *
  • Posts: 8280
    • Festool USA
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2015, 12:41 AM »
Tim,

The Conturo edge bander can work with banding up to 3mm thick. For real wood banding, it takes practice and good technique to do anything thicker than 2mm. Real wood banding that's 3mm can be more prone to crack depending on the angle its applied at.

Plastic, wood, laminate edge banding will work.

Shane

Offline EV

  • Posts: 171
  • Reception Desk Installed in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2015, 01:04 PM »
This version of the MFK will only come with the vertical base, but it capable of accepting the other MFK bases, sold separarely.

But not the other way around, correct? The Conturo MFK base is not available as an add on part for current MFK owners?

I believe it does, as it has been mentioned by the festool rep to me and cost I believe around £100 in the UK. In fact it is same as standard vertical base just got extra bakelite with a pointed end towards cutter, similar shape to the one on a horizontal bases) fixed to it and a bearing brake housing fixed to the other side using same holes as per standard vertical base, It just secured using longer screws.

Here is the link to spare parts catalogue http://ekat.festool.de/login/jsp/main.jsp?doAction=start&autologin=true&userId=Kunde-FT_GB&password=Customer&design=festool

You would need to import parts labeled 76, 82, 83, 84 and 85. Total cost excluding shipping £42.58 ($65.56)

Hope this helps

Regards

EV


--------------- " If you need to borrow a tool, means you need it, if you need it, go and BUY IT!!! " ---------------

Offline Steve Rowe

  • Posts: 821
  • Teach them safety when they are young.
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2015, 05:03 PM »

Do the radius edgebanding router bits all use the same body with just a change in cutters?  In other words, can you just have one body and interchange cutters to get the desired radius?

No, you cannot buy just the cutters and they aren't interchangeable. However, you can rotate the cutters four times to extend the life of the cutter.


This just doesn't make a lot of sense to me since it defeats the purpose of an insert cutter to begin with.  Perhaps I am misunderstanding the response but, did you really mean that replacement cutters are not or will not be available for a replaceable insert cutter? 

Offline Tom Bellemare

  • Inactive Member
  • *
  • Posts: 5148
  • Festool demo's & personal service in Central Texas
    • Tool Home LLC
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2015, 06:58 PM »
I think he meant that the mandrels are different for different radii. I'm not certain but that's how I read that.


Tom
Tom Bellemare
Customer Svc
Tool Home LLC
www.tool-home.com
512-428-9140

Offline EV

  • Posts: 171
  • Reception Desk Installed in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2015, 07:00 PM »
I think if you were to buy 1mm rad complete cutter, then nothing stopping you from buying only replacement tips in 2 and 3 mm rad.
--------------- " If you need to borrow a tool, means you need it, if you need it, go and BUY IT!!! " ---------------

Offline Festool USA

  • Festool USA Employee
    FOG Administrator
  • *
  • Posts: 8280
    • Festool USA
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2015, 08:44 AM »
The cutters will not be interchangeable. The profiles are on the bit as well as the cutter.

Offline Steve Rowe

  • Posts: 821
  • Teach them safety when they are young.
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2015, 12:41 PM »
The cutters will not be interchangeable. The profiles are on the bit as well as the cutter.

Let me rephrase my question.  I purchase a 1.5mm bit.  I have gone thru all 4 cutting edges on that bit.  Can I purchase new 1.5mm knives or do I have to purchase a complete new bit?

Offline Festool USA

  • Festool USA Employee
    FOG Administrator
  • *
  • Posts: 8280
    • Festool USA
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2015, 12:45 PM »
The cutters will not be interchangeable. The profiles are on the bit as well as the cutter.

Let me rephrase my question.  I purchase a 1.5mm bit.  I have gone thru all 4 cutting edges on that bit.  Can I purchase new 1.5mm knives or do I have to purchase a complete new bit?

Sorry, Steve. I guess I was misinterpreting your question.

Yes, we will have replacement cutters as spare parts.

Offline Steve Rowe

  • Posts: 821
  • Teach them safety when they are young.
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2015, 12:54 PM »
Thanks Shane

Offline Peter Halle

  • Global Moderator
  • *
  • Posts: 10774
  • Let's Redux / Revive / Rewind / Rollback the FOG!
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2015, 06:44 AM »
Tools of the Trade didn't waste any time getting this video out the door.  Brian demonstrating the Conturo at JLCLive! last week:



Peter
Disclaimer:  I have been involved with the development of some TSO Products.  I have offered thoughts and ideas freely.  I am not paid but I may receive products during the development process or afterwards.

Offline Peter Halle

  • Global Moderator
  • *
  • Posts: 10774
  • Let's Redux / Revive / Rewind / Rollback the FOG!
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #28 on: March 28, 2015, 06:45 PM »
Another video out there on the web:



Peter
Disclaimer:  I have been involved with the development of some TSO Products.  I have offered thoughts and ideas freely.  I am not paid but I may receive products during the development process or afterwards.

Offline copcarcollector

  • Posts: 1359
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2015, 09:57 PM »
Does the Conturo itself, or the Edge Bander Trimming Set (500177) come with any glue pucks?

Offline Chip S.

  • Festool Dealer
  • *
  • Posts: 31
    • FestoolNirvana.com
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #30 on: March 29, 2015, 10:01 PM »
The Conturo tool systainer includes 4 Natural color glue pucks.

Chip
http://www.FestoolNirvana.com  |  1-844-FESTOOL

Festool USA does not pre-approve the contents of this website nor endorse the application or use of any Festool product in any way other than in the manner described in the Festool Instruction Manual. To reduce the risk of serious injury and/or damage to your Festool product, always read, understand and follow all warnings and instructions in your Festool product's Instruction Manual. Although Festool strives for accuracy in the website material, the website may contain inaccuracies. Festool makes no representations about the accuracy, reliability, completeness or timeliness of the material on this website or about the results to be obtained from using the website. Festool and its affiliates cannot be responsible for improper postings or your reliance on the website's material. Your use of any material contained on this website is entirely at your own risk. The content contained on this site is provided for informational purposes only and does not constitute professional advice.


Offline Brice_Arnold

  • Posts: 105
  • Mechanical Engineer, Machinist, Tool Addict
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #31 on: April 02, 2015, 11:34 AM »
What is the smallest internal cutout that the Conturo can be maneuvered into?
"A person is not wise simply because one talks a lot."

"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you through experience."

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

Online Shane Holland

  • Festool Dealer
  • *
  • Posts: 10109
    • The Tool Nut's Festool Store
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #32 on: April 02, 2015, 11:57 AM »
What is the smallest internal cutout that the Conturo can be maneuvered into?

Minimum of 2" (50mm) radius.
Buy Festool Online" class="bbc_img
Fast, Free Shipping - Festool Trained Experts - Unparalleled Customer Service - No Sales Tax Collected (Outside NY/VA/KY)
Toolnut.com and FestoolProducts.com

Offline Phil Beckley

  • Festool Employee
  • *
  • Posts: 1402
  • Ask the question, and get the discussion going...
    • youtube - Festool U.K
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #33 on: April 02, 2015, 12:10 PM »
......and best to use the secondary roller from the accessory set to aid access, view and pressure.
rg
Phil
Festool U.K Employee | Festool UK Website


Offline Brice_Arnold

  • Posts: 105
  • Mechanical Engineer, Machinist, Tool Addict
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2015, 10:39 PM »
What is the smallest internal cutout that the Conturo can be maneuvered into?

Minimum of 2" (50mm) radius.

Thanks for the minimum radius, but I am looking for the minimum continuos internal profile. To simplify, the smallest ID hole that Conturo will drop into and be able to move around to edge band the internal profile. I hope that makes sense.

Thanks in advance
"A person is not wise simply because one talks a lot."

"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you through experience."

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

Offline tjbnwi

  • Posts: 5149
  • Cedar Tucky Indiana
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2015, 11:05 PM »
What is the smallest internal cutout that the Conturo can be maneuvered into?

Minimum of 2" (50mm) radius.

Thanks for the minimum radius, but I am looking for the minimum continuos internal profile. To simplify, the smallest ID hole that Conturo will drop into and be able to move around to edge band the internal profile. I hope that makes sense.

Thanks in advance

I have only seen the tool, if you want to run the tool around the inside of a circle my guess would be 16".

Tom

Offline Steve Rowe

  • Posts: 821
  • Teach them safety when they are young.
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #36 on: April 07, 2015, 06:15 PM »
When using the roundover bit to trim edgebanding, what is the best way to not have a gap when two edgebanded components meet at right angles.  So far, using the MFK with the 2mm and 3mm roundovers, there is a very visible gap where the two components meet.  I have tried using the straight bit with the 1.5 degree base which nearly eliminates the gap but this leaves a much sharper edge on the inside vertical edges and does require two router setups. 

Before the Conturo, I was only able to apply 0.5mm thick edgebanding and didn't have this problem to deal with since any gap at the interface was virtually invisible.  Perhaps the experts at Festool or someone with much more experience in dealing with thick edgebanding can weigh in on this with some suggestions. 

Thanks,
Steve

Offline Brent Shively

  • Festool USA Employee
    FOG Administrator
  • *
  • Posts: 156
    • Festool USA
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #37 on: April 08, 2015, 09:13 PM »
@Steve Rowe

If i'm understanding your correctly,  you should be able to use the 1.5 degree base with a straight bit to  rout the banding on the piece that runs long.  Then  use the round over bit on the piece that will be butting into the long piece. Once you've done so you can then join the two pieces  and then rout the long piece with the round over bit.  This should leave a minimal square joint at the inner-section and round-overs at the other edges.

Offline Charlie Mac

  • Posts: 359
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #38 on: June 19, 2015, 02:12 AM »
Regarding operating cost, so does anyone have a guess on linear feet per puck for say 19mm material?
Thanks

Offline linnlp12

  • Posts: 61
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #39 on: June 21, 2015, 07:16 PM »
For those of you who have used the Conturo, would you recommend the table if you are not doing bevels? I guess I am looking at hand held verse table use.  is it worth it (not a financial question) for helping with use of the unit.As i age gracefully, looking at ease of use, not speed.

Online Shane Holland

  • Festool Dealer
  • *
  • Posts: 10109
    • The Tool Nut's Festool Store
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #40 on: June 21, 2015, 07:37 PM »
For those of you who have used the Conturo, would you recommend the table if you are not doing bevels? I guess I am looking at hand held verse table use.  is it worth it (not a financial question) for helping with use of the unit.As i age gracefully, looking at ease of use, not speed.

If you're working with small pieces, the table is good to have. It's easier to push a small piece along the table than to try to balance the machine on it.  [wink]
Buy Festool Online" class="bbc_img
Fast, Free Shipping - Festool Trained Experts - Unparalleled Customer Service - No Sales Tax Collected (Outside NY/VA/KY)
Toolnut.com and FestoolProducts.com

Offline ccarrolladams

  • Posts: 1466
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #41 on: June 21, 2015, 08:24 PM »
Although my custom cabinet shop has a very fine automatic edge bander, it requires a lot of time to change setups. Therefore I pre-ordered two Conturo and one of the tables.

Sure enough the Conturo earn their keep doing short-run jobs reducing lost time re-setting the auto machine. Since all of us are used to bringing work to the large auto bander, we simply built an extension out and in feed support for the Conturo's table.

All of the curve and bevel jobs we do with the unmounted Conturo.

Trust me, for us the Conturo system is a great investment. Of course we do a lot of edge banding. Your mileage will vary, so I do not promise an investment in a Conturo is right for every shop. On the other hand you need to do a lot of banding to justify an auto machine. Had the Conturo been available in 2010 I never would have dedicated the space and spent the money on the auto bander!

Offline tjbnwi

  • Posts: 5149
  • Cedar Tucky Indiana
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #42 on: June 21, 2015, 10:22 PM »
Steve, I recall the trimmer being able to cut the edge band corners at 45º. That should solve the round over issue.

Tom

Offline Charlie Mac

  • Posts: 359
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2015, 02:46 PM »
To answer my own question, I've drawn inferences from the review by @Peter Parfitt ,* that 2 pucks show 17.1 meters of adhesive application on the tool's info screen. The banding width setting looks like about 20 mm.
  That equates to 28' per puck.
  $2.81 per puck including tax = approx. $.10 a foot for adhesive.

* If Peter did any significant editing of his video, well then this whole calculation goes out the window.

Online Shane Holland

  • Festool Dealer
  • *
  • Posts: 10109
    • The Tool Nut's Festool Store
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2015, 03:04 PM »
I seem to recall it about 8 meters, give or take, per puck or around 26½ feet on 3/4".
Buy Festool Online" class="bbc_img
Fast, Free Shipping - Festool Trained Experts - Unparalleled Customer Service - No Sales Tax Collected (Outside NY/VA/KY)
Toolnut.com and FestoolProducts.com

Offline Charlie Mac

  • Posts: 359
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #45 on: June 22, 2015, 04:52 PM »
Thanks Shane. That's closer than I thought I'd be peering over Peter's shoulder at his demo machine [eek]

Offline Peter Parfitt

  • Magazine/Blog Author
  • *
  • Posts: 3694
    • New Brit Workshop on YouTube
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #46 on: June 23, 2015, 05:27 AM »
Hi Charlie and Shane

I did not measure the glue usage as I think that it is documented in the Festool marketing info. As far as the film goes, there was no editing that gives any false impression of glue usage (forgive me - I know that you do not mean that there might be). I did not use a huge amount as the length of edging that Festool sent to me was only just enough to do the work shown in the video. I did have a quick go at a 2" wide bit of edging using some old Formica work top but the edging I had was brittle Formica and not designed for an edge bander. That used about 24 sq inches of glue.

Peter

Offline Charlie Mac

  • Posts: 359
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #47 on: June 24, 2015, 12:59 AM »
Hi Charlie and Shane

I did not measure the glue usage as I think that it is documented in the Festool marketing info. As far as the film goes, there was no editing that gives any false impression of glue usage (forgive me - I know that you do not mean that there might be).
Peter

Hi Peter,
  If they give any details on glue usage, its well hidden. I'd like to think I do SOME research before asking a question. That being said, there's always a chance I missed this info. Anyways, my reference to editing wasn't meant to imply any deceptiveness on your part. I only meant to say it was a stretch for me to make the many assumptions I did in making my calculations.
Best regards,
Charlie 

Offline Peter Parfitt

  • Magazine/Blog Author
  • *
  • Posts: 3694
    • New Brit Workshop on YouTube
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #48 on: June 24, 2015, 03:03 AM »

Hi Peter,
  If they give any details on glue usage, its well hidden. I'd like to think I do SOME research before asking a question. That being said, there's always a chance I missed this info. Anyways, my reference to editing wasn't meant to imply any deceptiveness on your part. I only meant to say it was a stretch for me to make the many assumptions I did in making my calculations.
Best regards,
Charlie

Hi Charlie,

I know what you meant in the original comment and realise completely that you were not questioning the veracity etc.

There is a chance that the figures that I am referring to came from the FOG or another forum as I am sure that I have seen them before. I could not really comment on them as I had nothing to compare them with as it was quite a while ago that I had been edge banding with one of the old fashioned designed machines.

Cheers.

Peter

Offline linnlp12

  • Posts: 61
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #49 on: July 03, 2015, 12:15 PM »
A few days ago I discovered the conturo is only recommended for wood to 1 mm.  So the primary use with thick edgebanding is pvc .  I think the advertising for this unit needs to be more clear. I had hoped to do wood veneer 2mm and 3mm.  Maybe I should have known better. Trying decide now what I want to do.  I looked at 2mm veneer in Germany.  It seems pretty flexible so I am confused   

Offline tjbnwi

  • Posts: 5149
  • Cedar Tucky Indiana
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #50 on: July 03, 2015, 03:04 PM »
A few days ago I discovered the conturo is only recommended for wood to 1 mm.  So the primary use with thick edgebanding is pvc .  I think the advertising for this unit needs to be more clear. I had hoped to do wood veneer 2mm and 3mm.  Maybe I should have known better. Trying decide now what I want to do.  I looked at 2mm veneer in Germany.  It seems pretty flexible so I am confused

Depends on the wood, it will do 3mm wood.

Tom

Online Shane Holland

  • Festool Dealer
  • *
  • Posts: 10109
    • The Tool Nut's Festool Store
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #51 on: July 04, 2015, 10:47 AM »
Like Tom said, it depends on the banding. Some wood banding may work up to 3mm. The problem that exists is that the path the banding takes through the machine bends the banding. 3mm wood banding can be prone to snapping or cracking at those angles. I would suggest trying it on a piece of scrap.
Buy Festool Online" class="bbc_img
Fast, Free Shipping - Festool Trained Experts - Unparalleled Customer Service - No Sales Tax Collected (Outside NY/VA/KY)
Toolnut.com and FestoolProducts.com

Offline tjbnwi

  • Posts: 5149
  • Cedar Tucky Indiana
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #52 on: September 12, 2015, 08:47 PM »
I had an opportunity to use my Conturo today. Actually I got to watch someone use my Conturo today after I showed him how to use the unit one the first piece. I did get to do the trimming. This was the tools maiden voyage, it was a pleasant journey to say the least.

The panel being edge banded was particle board core melamine. The edge banding was 3 mm PVC, about 80' total.

The Conturo is easy to set up and adjust. It was used hand held, balance of the unit is superb.

When we set up for the first pieces, temp setting 2 was used, 200ºC, that is what was recommend and we stayed with that setting. For the first run I increase the amount of glue 2 units over center. I chose to do this because of the core. After a few pieces I did change the amount setting to 2 units below center, plenty of glue, less squeeze out.

The 3 mm is very stiff to run. The Conturo ran and feed it just fine, it was getting the memory from the roll out of the band that was an issue. On the second run I decided to place the edge band in an oven set on Warm, about 120ºF. After about 5 minutes in the oven the edge banding was much more flexible and easier to set to the board edge. Only issue was tack time of the adhesive. It went from a few seconds to about 20 seconds, this did not affect the application at all.

One issue we did have was banding slide at times. A few of the bands were drug along by to much pressure on the roller, this caused the band to shift off the corner. If you back off some of the pressure the band will slide back in place. Once that occurs continue to apply the banding.

Guillotine trimmer is an excellent tool. Cut this 3.0 mm banding effortlessly.

The bit I had to trim the banding was the 1.5 mm round over with rotatable cutters. I do not have the 700 EQ/B or B base for this bit so I had to modify my 700 with a spacer. After a few test cut I discovered the bit would not work properly on the 3.0 mm. The bit would round over the edge but the flat cutting edge did not reach the board edge of the banding. I ended up using the 700 in the horizontal position with a 0º base and a 19 mm straight bit.

The carbide scraper is a tool you don't know you needed until you used one. To use the scraper make sure you wrap the cord as shown in the picture on the back of the Systainer it comes in. The cord rides against the face of the board and places the cutting edge at the proper angle. Having the cord in this position makes it much easier to use than the scraper flat against the face of the board.

The Conturo is a tool that does what it claims to do and does it well.

The modification I made to the 700 base. The spacer is 1/4" plywood, screws to make it work are 4mm x 0.7 x 12mm

Tom






Offline Peter Halle

  • Global Moderator
  • *
  • Posts: 10774
  • Let's Redux / Revive / Rewind / Rollback the FOG!
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #53 on: September 12, 2015, 08:53 PM »
Tom,

Glad to read that you finally have one.  I wish you had one when you were doing the hotel job.

Peter
Disclaimer:  I have been involved with the development of some TSO Products.  I have offered thoughts and ideas freely.  I am not paid but I may receive products during the development process or afterwards.

Offline tjbnwi

  • Posts: 5149
  • Cedar Tucky Indiana
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #54 on: September 12, 2015, 08:58 PM »
Tom,

Glad to read that you finally have one.  I wish you had one when you were doing the hotel job.

Peter

I picked one up with the accessory kit for a good price. From what I was told by the previous owner this is the first edge banding it has run.

Tom

Offline Paul Franklin

  • Posts: 157
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #55 on: April 07, 2016, 05:14 PM »
Has anyone used the conturo to apply .5mm real wood veneer to plywood?

Thanks

Paul

Offline tjbnwi

  • Posts: 5149
  • Cedar Tucky Indiana
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #56 on: April 07, 2016, 08:49 PM »
Has anyone used the conturo to apply .5mm real wood veneer to plywood?

Thanks

Paul

Yes.

I have some preglued I've been running through mine until I use it up. I've also run some PSA type through the Conturo, just need to make sure it stays clean.

I've run up to 2mm solid wood through the Conturo.

Tom

Offline Paul Franklin

  • Posts: 157
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #57 on: April 08, 2016, 05:24 AM »
Tom

Thanks for the reply. But I am talking about using real veneer. I.e cut from sheets of veneer.
 
Anyone else tried this?

Regards

Paul

Offline tjbnwi

  • Posts: 5149
  • Cedar Tucky Indiana
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #58 on: April 08, 2016, 08:02 AM »
Are you asking about applying to the edge or face?

If it's the edge, I can't see a reason it would not work.

Tom

Offline Paul Franklin

  • Posts: 157
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #59 on: April 08, 2016, 02:20 PM »
Yes the edge.

Offline ecfd16

  • Posts: 1
Re:Non Glued Banding verses Pre Glued
« Reply #60 on: April 19, 2016, 05:53 PM »
Has anyone used pre-glued banding in the conturo?? I know it says not to but has anyone tried due to the heated glue warms up the PVC and does not preheat the banding due to it could stretch applying. just have a project that needs black PVC and i have a full roll and really don't wanna spend another $$ on unglued..Thanks Guys don't beat me up on this post please!!!!! LOL

Festool USA does not pre-approve the contents of this website nor endorse the application or use of any Festool product in any way other than in the manner described in the Festool Instruction Manual. To reduce the risk of serious injury and/or damage to your Festool product, always read, understand and follow all warnings and instructions in your Festool product's Instruction Manual. Although Festool strives for accuracy in the website material, the website may contain inaccuracies. Festool makes no representations about the accuracy, reliability, completeness or timeliness of the material on this website or about the results to be obtained from using the website. Festool and its affiliates cannot be responsible for improper postings or your reliance on the website's material. Your use of any material contained on this website is entirely at your own risk. The content contained on this site is provided for informational purposes only and does not constitute professional advice.


Offline tjbnwi

  • Posts: 5149
  • Cedar Tucky Indiana
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #61 on: April 19, 2016, 08:01 PM »
I've used some pre-glued wood edge banding in the Conturo, it worked fine. I also used a few piece of PSA adhesive in it, that was a little tricky.

I order unglued now.

Tom

Offline tim

  • Posts: 10
    • Tim Bowdin Custom Furniture & Cabinetry
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #62 on: June 29, 2016, 09:19 AM »
Can I get some clarification on the trimmer please. It says in the literature that it will cut up to 2mm but the machine is capable of running material up to 3mm.  Does that mean that if I am running 3mm PVC or ABS the trimmer isn't up to the job?

Thanks
Tim Bowdin Custom Furniture & Cabinetry

www.timbowdin.com

Offline Peter Parfitt

  • Magazine/Blog Author
  • *
  • Posts: 3694
    • New Brit Workshop on YouTube
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #63 on: June 29, 2016, 09:40 AM »
Can I get some clarification on the trimmer please. It says in the literature that it will cut up to 2mm but the machine is capable of running material up to 3mm.  Does that mean that if I am running 3mm PVC or ABS the trimmer isn't up to the job?

Thanks

The trimmer works really well but the thicker the material the more effort you need. I can see why Festool limit it to 2 mm.

An edge trimmer would be better for the thicker materials.

Peter

Offline tim

  • Posts: 10
    • Tim Bowdin Custom Furniture & Cabinetry
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #64 on: June 29, 2016, 10:49 AM »
Can I get some clarification on the trimmer please. It says in the literature that it will cut up to 2mm but the machine is capable of running material up to 3mm.  Does that mean that if I am running 3mm PVC or ABS the trimmer isn't up to the job?

Thanks

The trimmer works really well but the thicker the material the more effort you need. I can see why Festool limit it to 2 mm.

An edge trimmer would be better for the thicker materials.

Peter

Thank you
Tim Bowdin Custom Furniture & Cabinetry

www.timbowdin.com

Offline tim

  • Posts: 10
    • Tim Bowdin Custom Furniture & Cabinetry
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #65 on: August 04, 2016, 07:30 AM »
Loving this machine.  Really improves production and finish.  I am having a couple of teething problems though.  I'm running 3mm PVC on prefinished veneer core ply.  When loading the machine with the edgeband I find I have to push pretty firmly to get the machine to take it in and then when ready to apply it doesn't always move automatically without a helping hand. It is not being pinched by the height adjuster. 

I'm assuming its because it hangs up when feeding that I get an excess of adhesive applying to the very end of the edgeband.  This has the effect of smearing glue onto the good face as well as onto the roller.  Given that 3mm PVC is within the tolerances for the conturo (albeit at the top end) I shouldn't think this should happen and it adds clean up time that isn't anticipated.  What's the best way to get the dried glue off the roller?

I havent used the 3mm router bit because I don't want that much radius - it looks weird to me at the corners so I'm using a straight bit with the 1.5 deg base and then an amana no file bit to ease the edge.  A beefier version of that bit ie to flush trim 3mm but with a small eased radius would get my money today!

The trimmer is great and this is tough stuff to cut but I find when trimming the right hand edge of a panel that it cuts the edge band except for the very top bit.  The blades seem aligned fine so I'm getting round it by tilting the trimmer up slightly to move the band further down the blades faces.

I'm sure the carbide scraper is good but not for prefinished material!

All in all I I am very glad I bought this setup and its early days as to whether it will pay for itself (my guess is it will) but it has certainly improved my workflow - just want to get past those few teething problems.  I bought the vac sys at the same time - another great bit of kit!
Tim Bowdin Custom Furniture & Cabinetry

www.timbowdin.com

Offline Laminator

  • Posts: 296
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #66 on: August 06, 2016, 11:20 PM »
Tim, I used my conturo for the first time yesterday running laminate edge banding.  I had the same hang up as you describe on maybe 3 or 4 pieces out of about 20.  The excess glue on the roller seem to fall off easy once it cooled.  The glob on the surface cause no problem as it was on p-lam.    I could find no reason for the random piece to not feed just like normal and I hope someone can offer a tip to eliminate this altogether.    I will say I love the machine and should have gotten it when it first became available.

Offline sshooyman

  • Posts: 1
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #67 on: September 13, 2016, 03:36 PM »
Question on staining and clear coating edges banded with the Conturo. I am assuming that the stain does not take to the glue but only the raw plywood and edge banding material. Also curious about the clear coat. I use mostly General Finishes HP Water based clear. Will that stick to the glue? or be prone to chip off easily in that area?

Offline tjbnwi

  • Posts: 5149
  • Cedar Tucky Indiana
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #68 on: December 10, 2016, 08:38 PM »
@sshooyman

Once trimmed and cleaned up the applied edging stains and finishes very well. I've run pre-finished through the Conturo with no issues to the finish also.

I did have an issue with the Conturo today. I was attempting to apply PVC edge banding that is designed to be finished. The Conturo would not apply adhesive to the banding and the feed stuttered. After a few attempts with the PVC I ran a piece of maple edge banding through the machine, it worked fine. Checked the thickness of the PVC, it was less than 0.5 mm. The PVC was to thin for the Conturo.

Tom

Offline Jimmy FineCut

  • Posts: 274
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #69 on: January 07, 2017, 12:22 PM »
I am going to be buying the conturo soon and I was thinking about putting it my MFT as as stand alone edging station in the workshop, but now after seeing this I am going to make a work bench along the same lines as this one.



My question is does a template for the plate adaptor cut out come with the plate adaptor?



Thanks
Jimmy

Online Shane Holland

  • Festool Dealer
  • *
  • Posts: 10109
    • The Tool Nut's Festool Store
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #70 on: January 07, 2017, 01:56 PM »
My question is does a template for the plate adaptor cut out come with the plate adaptor?

@Jimmy FineCut, yes, it comes with a template.
Buy Festool Online" class="bbc_img
Fast, Free Shipping - Festool Trained Experts - Unparalleled Customer Service - No Sales Tax Collected (Outside NY/VA/KY)
Toolnut.com and FestoolProducts.com

Offline Jimmy FineCut

  • Posts: 274
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #71 on: January 08, 2017, 03:08 AM »
Thanks @Shane Holland 👍🏼

Offline Jimmy FineCut

  • Posts: 274
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #72 on: March 27, 2017, 06:52 AM »
I was looking to buy the magazine holder 499479 as I have some 3m long edges to band. I am using 50mm edging and have just noticed the the magazines only takes up to 45mm edging.

Is this true? and if so is that not rather stupid considering the bander can take up to 65mm edging.

Am I missing something here?! [blink]

Offline Chalo

  • Posts: 1
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #73 on: May 18, 2017, 11:08 PM »
Hi i just got a new conturo. Shipped it to Bahamas. Forgot to order glue packs. But it came with 4 .... I'm wanting to try it out,  but I'm concerned if I just use it on a small test, would the unused glue in the conturo dry out?
Also n st question: what type of glue should I purchase for wood edge band?

Offline Peter Parfitt

  • Magazine/Blog Author
  • *
  • Posts: 3694
    • New Brit Workshop on YouTube
Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #74 on: May 19, 2017, 02:33 AM »
Hi i just got a new conturo. Shipped it to Bahamas. Forgot to order glue packs. But it came with 4 .... I'm wanting to try it out,  but I'm concerned if I just use it on a small test, would the unused glue in the conturo dry out?
Also n st question: what type of glue should I purchase for wood edge band?

The great thing about the Conturo is that you turn it on, use and turn it off. No fuss at all.

Peter