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Offline ecfd16

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Re:Non Glued Banding verses Pre Glued
« Reply #60 on: April 19, 2016, 05:53 PM »
Has anyone used pre-glued banding in the conturo?? I know it says not to but has anyone tried due to the heated glue warms up the PVC and does not preheat the banding due to it could stretch applying. just have a project that needs black PVC and i have a full roll and really don't wanna spend another $$ on unglued..Thanks Guys don't beat me up on this post please!!!!! LOL

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #61 on: April 19, 2016, 08:01 PM »
I've used some pre-glued wood edge banding in the Conturo, it worked fine. I also used a few piece of PSA adhesive in it, that was a little tricky.

I order unglued now.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #62 on: June 29, 2016, 09:19 AM »
Can I get some clarification on the trimmer please. It says in the literature that it will cut up to 2mm but the machine is capable of running material up to 3mm.  Does that mean that if I am running 3mm PVC or ABS the trimmer isn't up to the job?

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #63 on: June 29, 2016, 09:40 AM »
Can I get some clarification on the trimmer please. It says in the literature that it will cut up to 2mm but the machine is capable of running material up to 3mm.  Does that mean that if I am running 3mm PVC or ABS the trimmer isn't up to the job?

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The trimmer works really well but the thicker the material the more effort you need. I can see why Festool limit it to 2 mm.

An edge trimmer would be better for the thicker materials.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #64 on: June 29, 2016, 10:49 AM »
Can I get some clarification on the trimmer please. It says in the literature that it will cut up to 2mm but the machine is capable of running material up to 3mm.  Does that mean that if I am running 3mm PVC or ABS the trimmer isn't up to the job?

Thanks

The trimmer works really well but the thicker the material the more effort you need. I can see why Festool limit it to 2 mm.

An edge trimmer would be better for the thicker materials.

Peter

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #65 on: August 04, 2016, 07:30 AM »
Loving this machine.  Really improves production and finish.  I am having a couple of teething problems though.  I'm running 3mm PVC on prefinished veneer core ply.  When loading the machine with the edgeband I find I have to push pretty firmly to get the machine to take it in and then when ready to apply it doesn't always move automatically without a helping hand. It is not being pinched by the height adjuster. 

I'm assuming its because it hangs up when feeding that I get an excess of adhesive applying to the very end of the edgeband.  This has the effect of smearing glue onto the good face as well as onto the roller.  Given that 3mm PVC is within the tolerances for the conturo (albeit at the top end) I shouldn't think this should happen and it adds clean up time that isn't anticipated.  What's the best way to get the dried glue off the roller?

I havent used the 3mm router bit because I don't want that much radius - it looks weird to me at the corners so I'm using a straight bit with the 1.5 deg base and then an amana no file bit to ease the edge.  A beefier version of that bit ie to flush trim 3mm but with a small eased radius would get my money today!

The trimmer is great and this is tough stuff to cut but I find when trimming the right hand edge of a panel that it cuts the edge band except for the very top bit.  The blades seem aligned fine so I'm getting round it by tilting the trimmer up slightly to move the band further down the blades faces.

I'm sure the carbide scraper is good but not for prefinished material!

All in all I I am very glad I bought this setup and its early days as to whether it will pay for itself (my guess is it will) but it has certainly improved my workflow - just want to get past those few teething problems.  I bought the vac sys at the same time - another great bit of kit!
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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #66 on: August 06, 2016, 11:20 PM »
Tim, I used my conturo for the first time yesterday running laminate edge banding.  I had the same hang up as you describe on maybe 3 or 4 pieces out of about 20.  The excess glue on the roller seem to fall off easy once it cooled.  The glob on the surface cause no problem as it was on p-lam.    I could find no reason for the random piece to not feed just like normal and I hope someone can offer a tip to eliminate this altogether.    I will say I love the machine and should have gotten it when it first became available.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #67 on: September 13, 2016, 03:36 PM »
Question on staining and clear coating edges banded with the Conturo. I am assuming that the stain does not take to the glue but only the raw plywood and edge banding material. Also curious about the clear coat. I use mostly General Finishes HP Water based clear. Will that stick to the glue? or be prone to chip off easily in that area?

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #68 on: December 10, 2016, 08:38 PM »
@sshooyman

Once trimmed and cleaned up the applied edging stains and finishes very well. I've run pre-finished through the Conturo with no issues to the finish also.

I did have an issue with the Conturo today. I was attempting to apply PVC edge banding that is designed to be finished. The Conturo would not apply adhesive to the banding and the feed stuttered. After a few attempts with the PVC I ran a piece of maple edge banding through the machine, it worked fine. Checked the thickness of the PVC, it was less than 0.5 mm. The PVC was to thin for the Conturo.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #69 on: January 07, 2017, 12:22 PM »
I am going to be buying the conturo soon and I was thinking about putting it my MFT as as stand alone edging station in the workshop, but now after seeing this I am going to make a work bench along the same lines as this one.



My question is does a template for the plate adaptor cut out come with the plate adaptor?



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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #70 on: January 07, 2017, 01:56 PM »
My question is does a template for the plate adaptor cut out come with the plate adaptor?

@Jimmy FineCut, yes, it comes with a template.
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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #71 on: January 08, 2017, 03:08 AM »
Thanks @Shane Holland 👍🏼

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #72 on: March 27, 2017, 06:52 AM »
I was looking to buy the magazine holder 499479 as I have some 3m long edges to band. I am using 50mm edging and have just noticed the the magazines only takes up to 45mm edging.

Is this true? and if so is that not rather stupid considering the bander can take up to 65mm edging.

Am I missing something here?! [blink]

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #73 on: May 18, 2017, 11:08 PM »
Hi i just got a new conturo. Shipped it to Bahamas. Forgot to order glue packs. But it came with 4 .... I'm wanting to try it out,  but I'm concerned if I just use it on a small test, would the unused glue in the conturo dry out?
Also n st question: what type of glue should I purchase for wood edge band?

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #74 on: May 19, 2017, 02:33 AM »
Hi i just got a new conturo. Shipped it to Bahamas. Forgot to order glue packs. But it came with 4 .... I'm wanting to try it out,  but I'm concerned if I just use it on a small test, would the unused glue in the conturo dry out?
Also n st question: what type of glue should I purchase for wood edge band?

The great thing about the Conturo is that you turn it on, use and turn it off. No fuss at all.

Peter

Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #75 on: November 29, 2017, 02:21 PM »
HELP Please

I've just bought a new KA 65.

It arrived, upon use, had a horrible grinding sound when the glue plunger was in action. I thought this very non-Festool and queried it with technical. I was told the odd clicking sound was normal, I played him a video and he said that it was normal. I carried on using (two lengths of 18mm) the KA65 then it stopped pushing glue through onto the roller. No glue, no banding. I sent the machine back for repair (new motor mechanism apparently), it arrived back this morning and sounded smooth. Until, I used it on a long length (2100mm) where it stopped pushing glue through again. I've sent it back, again.

My question - is this a common fault? Should I bother persevering?

If this is a common ongoing fault, i'm sending it back permanently.

All thoughts appreciated.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #76 on: November 29, 2017, 02:35 PM »
Only issue I had with mine was user error. Tried to run paintable banding through it. It was to thin for the sensor to notice.

Mine has worked flawlessly for miles and miles of banding.

Tom

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #77 on: December 02, 2017, 09:26 PM »
I hear the drive chain clunk while banding but it has no effect on the operation as it work perfectly.  Your sounds like it has a problem or two that if not fixable should be replaced.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #78 on: February 09, 2018, 07:25 AM »
I'm having an error code on the display with a number 9 next to it, happened right after gluing a piece and placing the conturo on a bench.
I let it cool down as prescribed and turned it back on hours later, but the error code came back and the machine shuts off.
Obviously this happens while doing a piece that needs to be delivered tomorrow.

-edit: any error code automatically means you have to send it back to the service centre, machine puts itself in safe mode and won't start up without going through a service procedure.
Service offered me a replacement but for tomorrow it's too late, I can't go all the way to Brussels to pick it up. That's a bummer really, it was actually the first time ever I was going to use it for curves. With straight pieces I can always pin solid edges, but here I'm screwed.
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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #79 on: February 22, 2018, 11:51 AM »
What adhesive color gives best results for wood or wood-looking PVC edging on white melamine? Ie, white to match melamine or natural to match edging?

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #80 on: February 26, 2018, 09:42 AM »
Does it make sense/is it cost efficient to use the Conturo for production runs? I currently use the Virtuex hot air gun and larger jobs I send to my sawyer to band. I've been looking at the large auto banders, but don't have the space or $$$ for one. I looked at the conturo a while ago, but was turned off because it looked like it wouldn't accept a spool of edgebanding - you have to pre cut each piece to length and back roll. Is it possible to set up to do continuous straight runs? I get that it's great for curves - it's in the name and all the videos really hype that part of it.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #81 on: February 27, 2018, 01:11 AM »
When you say production runs, how much are you talking about?

I'm a carpenter, never worked in a cabinet shop. I like casework but have to frame and finish and do other things to stay busy in my market (small town).  So I try to be efficient but will probably never own a stationary edgebander. I don't do anywhere remotely close to the volume to consider one, let alone have the space or money. That's just some background, as obviously everyone's needs are different. If you're even considering a stationary machine them  I imagine you do a lot more edge banding than me.

Anyway, I'm not an authority on the Conturo by any means (was an end of year purchase and I've been doing other stuff at work since then). But I don't think there's a way to avoid cutting the edge banding to length first. That said, that part of the job goes pretty fast. How long does it take to pack pieces up for delivery to another shop?

If speed is the bottom line, it probably isn't a good fit. Maybe better with the MFT Conturo and the vacuum table, but that's another chunk of change. I think the Conturo's value over over a hot air machine is that it opens you up to more edge banding options. If that's not a limitation currently, it's probably unnecessary.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #82 on: February 27, 2018, 02:19 AM »
It is a long time ago that I used the Conturo but...

It has a cassette for a spool of edge banding although I am not sure what its capacity might be. There is no automatic cutting function at the end of a run and no in-built cutter either. However, in my experience a good pair of scissors or snips would provide a quick way to cut and move on to the next piece.

I imagine the production run would require like operations to be performed one after another. I assume that the Conturo would be set in the MFT for this. At the end of each edge the machine stops and I would assume that there would be scope then to cut the banding prior to taking up the next piece.

I wonder whether the Festool cutter could be set up between the Conturo and a cassette of material. This could not be the Festool cassette as that gets fixed to the machine.

Peter

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #83 on: March 06, 2018, 05:58 AM »
Anyone know if you can run laminate like Formica thru the Conturo? We have a job to bid with laminate doors and using the Conturo sure would be faster.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #84 on: March 06, 2018, 08:53 AM »
Conturo runs laminate just fine.  it will perform better with the glue temp on the higher setting.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #85 on: May 22, 2018, 05:20 AM »
+Is there a chart available for recommended heat settings for all the glue colors festool offers> I've managed to find Setting 2 for white and 1 for clear via supplemental manual . And is there anything offered to adjust heat settings when changing from.8mm to say 3mm

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #86 on: May 22, 2018, 08:21 AM »
I change the volume of glue and temp for the substrate more than the band thickness. I find a participle board core needs more glue and a little more heat than a plywood core, MDF-a little less glue and heat than the plywood.

I recall the recommended temp is listed on the glue packaging.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #87 on: May 22, 2018, 08:06 PM »
So tried my hand at prefinished ply today,with .5mm prefinished edging. Went pretty good overall.Tried a bearing flush trim bit with the mfk 700 but it was used and could have been sharper. I feel I achieved my best results trimming by hand. But i have nothing as a gauge as this is my only experience.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #88 on: June 11, 2018, 02:16 PM »
What is the purpose of the extraction port on the conturo? I've run a bunch of edgebamding through it and never once thought to hook up the DC. Does anyone?
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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the CONTURO Edge Bander
« Reply #89 on: June 11, 2018, 07:10 PM »
Its my understanding its solely for the fumes emitted from the glue for those with a sensitive sinus