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Offline Doug S

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Phil demonstrating SawSop
« on: Yesterday at 06:01 PM »
Thought this might be of interest to some.


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Offline Peter Parfitt

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Re: Phil demonstrating SawSop
« Reply #1 on: Today at 12:15 AM »
I tried to view the video above but with no luck. So, I found Frank doing a demo:



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Re: Phil demonstrating SawSop
« Reply #2 on: Today at 12:37 AM »
@Peter Parfitt

Click on "Watch this video on YouTube" and it will run.
« Last Edit: Today at 12:39 AM by Bohdan »


Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Phil demonstrating SawSop
« Reply #4 on: Today at 07:05 AM »
I have the SawStop Industrial model (think big, heavy) and accidentally triggered the safety feature. I was using a steel tenon jig and didn't adjust it just right. It contacted the blade and "BAM" the blade disappeared instantly. The paint on the jig was just barely scratched. Of course, the cartridge and the saw blade were ruined. About $100 for the cartridge and $150 for the saw blade.

The event really startled me, but it did give me confidence the system works.

Some people claim the safety feature makes users less careful. I am just the opposite. I now am even more super careful as I don't want to trigger the safety feature again.
Birdhunter

Offline Chinski

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Re: Phil demonstrating SawSop
« Reply #5 on: Today at 07:33 AM »
I tried to view the video above but with no luck. So, I found Frank doing a demo:

Peter

Peter - hello!

Apologies if you couldn't access the video - there have been a fair few views over the last day or two - so it should be fine, and you've been kind enough to comment via your own channel on some of my other vids in the past.

Take care,
Chinski


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Re: Phil demonstrating SawSop
« Reply #6 on: Today at 07:53 AM »
@Chinski He’s right, you restricted permissions to view the video outside youtube, so after hitting play I have to click the link to watch it on YouTube.  If you go back and review the permissions you should be able to get it to work correctly.
-Raj

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Re: Phil demonstrating SawSop
« Reply #7 on: Today at 10:48 AM »
Has @Phil Beckley seen this yet? I know that he is very busy on the road at the moment.

@jobsworth - just imagine what you could do with one of these machines....

In true Parf-Jobby style it would be "demo-mustard-eat" !

The value of a machine like this in terms of injury, potential loss of earnings or even loss of livelihood is priceless. I am going to send a link to the video to a plastic surgeon friend of mine who does a lot of woodworking accident repair jobs and is a great advocate of workshop safety.

Peter

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Re: Phil demonstrating SawSop
« Reply #8 on: Today at 11:05 AM »

Snip.

Some people claim the safety feature makes users less careful. I am just the opposite. I now am even more super careful as I don't want to trigger the safety feature again.

One can turn the activation into a clock! [tongue]

I have yet to meet a SawStop owner or user who shows a shop behavior that supports such a claim. In fact, I have had a casual observation that some of those owners or users are even being more careful when they handle machines such as the bandsaws or mitre saws as they are no longer protected by an added level of safety.

My first use of a SawStop saw dated back to 2008 or so, and have never activated the safety feature...the thought of not wanting to trash a Woodworker II blade due to carelessness or unsafe practice is a good motivation to work safely at the table saw. In other words, the monetary "penalty" is a good deterrent.
« Last Edit: Today at 11:16 AM by ChuckM »

Offline jobsworth

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Re: Phil demonstrating SawSop
« Reply #9 on: Today at 12:54 PM »
@Peter Parfitt

pretty good stuff.

do they include mustard?

do they sell mustard in a kit and does it come in a Systainer?
« Last Edit: Today at 01:07 PM by jobsworth »

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Re: Phil demonstrating SawSop
« Reply #10 on: Today at 01:09 PM »
@Phil Beckley

say phil are they going to make a 110v vesrion of this saw?

Im thinking this will pass muster and be able to be sold in NA.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Phil demonstrating SawSop
« Reply #11 on: Today at 02:00 PM »
I have the SawStop Industrial model (think big, heavy) and accidentally triggered the safety feature. I was using a steel tenon jig and didn't adjust it just right. It contacted the blade and "BAM" the blade disappeared instantly. The paint on the jig was just barely scratched. Of course, the cartridge and the saw blade were ruined. About $100 for the cartridge and $150 for the saw blade.

The event really startled me, but it did give me confidence the system works.

Some people claim the safety feature makes users less careful. I am just the opposite. I now am even more super careful as I don't want to trigger the safety feature again.

What is the damage to the blade? Does it really get ruined?

Offline Svar

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Re: Phil demonstrating SawSop
« Reply #12 on: Today at 02:12 PM »
What is the damage to the blade? Does it really get ruined?
Not necessarily. I have no personal experience, but heard from many woodworkers that blade often remains intact. Obviously you need to check it for deformation. I doubt SawStop would endorse using it.
« Last Edit: Today at 02:14 PM by Svar »

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Phil demonstrating SawSop
« Reply #13 on: Today at 03:40 PM »
It was mentioned that one of chaps does a demo, and actually puts his finger in the blade instead of the hot dog.

He either loves hot dogs, or fully stands by, and fully supports the product.
When you actually see the demo, it’s really amazing how quick the mechanism reacts, we’re talking milliseconds!

Offline JimH2

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Re: Phil demonstrating SawSop
« Reply #14 on: Today at 05:00 PM »
What is the damage to the blade? Does it really get ruined?
Not necessarily. I have no personal experience, but heard from many woodworkers that blade often remains intact. Obviously you need to check it for deformation. I doubt SawStop would endorse using it.

The blade in mine was damaged beyond use.

Offline JimH2

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Re: Phil demonstrating SawSop
« Reply #15 on: Today at 05:05 PM »
It was mentioned that one of chaps does a demo, and actually puts his finger in the blade instead of the hot dog.

He either loves hot dogs, or fully stands by, and fully supports the product.
When you actually see the demo, it’s really amazing how quick the mechanism reacts, we’re talking milliseconds!

I think you are confusing the SawStop technology with the Felder. In the video I saw the tester did use his finger. I would not recommend using your finger to test a SawStop as you will get a cut, albeit minor, will occur. I would not gamble a finger for a test on any tool knowing that software is what ultimately controls the deployment. No software, or in this firmware, is failsafe.

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Phil demonstrating SawSop
« Reply #16 on: Today at 05:18 PM »
1. The inventor of the SawStop technology was in a video where he did use his finger to trigger the stop. Not recommended!

2. My blade was totally embedded in the brake shoe. The stop process is violent. I would not want to use a blade that had been subjected to this stress.
Birdhunter

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Re: Phil demonstrating SawSop
« Reply #17 on: Today at 05:32 PM »
The finger -- not hot dog -- test video:


Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Phil demonstrating SawSop
« Reply #18 on: Today at 05:37 PM »
1. The inventor of the SawStop technology was in a video where he did use his finger to trigger the stop. Not recommended!

2. My blade was totally embedded in the brake shoe. The stop process is violent. I would not want to use a blade that had been subjected to this stress.

Is the blade bent? Or cracked? Or simply to hard to retrieve from the aluminum brake?

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Phil demonstrating SawSop
« Reply #19 on: Today at 05:41 PM »
It was mentioned that one of chaps does a demo, and actually puts his finger in the blade instead of the hot dog.

He either loves hot dogs, or fully stands by, and fully supports the product.
When you actually see the demo, it’s really amazing how quick the mechanism reacts, we’re talking milliseconds!

I think you are confusing the SawStop technology with the Felder. In the video I saw the tester did use his finger. I would not recommend using your finger to test a SawStop as you will get a cut, albeit minor, will occur. I would not gamble a finger for a test on any tool knowing that software is what ultimately controls the deployment. No software, or in this firmware, is failsafe.

No, no confusion, it is the SawStop technology. This was discussed in front of me very recently, and many have seen it in (forgive the pun) in the flesh.

From what I understand, the Felder safety technology is quite different, and is re settable without damage. Apparently it will be used not only in table saws but, also mitre saws, band saws, and router tables etc.
Bosch also have developed something apparently?

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Re: Phil demonstrating SawSop
« Reply #20 on: Today at 05:52 PM »
Snip.
From what I understand, the Felder safety technology is quite different, and is re settable without damage. Apparently it will be used not only in table saws but, also mitre saws, band saws, and router tables etc.


PCS on the mitre saws and bandsaws? --  [thumbs up]

Offline Phil Beckley

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Re: Phil demonstrating SawSop
« Reply #21 on: Today at 06:22 PM »
Has @Phil Beckley seen this yet? I know that he is very busy on the road at the moment.

@jobsworth - just imagine what you could do with one of these machines....

In true Parf-Jobby style it would be "demo-mustard-eat" !

The value of a machine like this in terms of injury, potential loss of earnings or even loss of livelihood is priceless. I am going to send a link to the video to a plastic surgeon friend of mine who does a lot of woodworking accident repair jobs and is a great advocate of workshop safety.

Peter

Hi
Currently in south east Ireland but will catch as soon as time allows on the TKS 80 👌😎
Rg
Phil
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