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Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« on: May 05, 2015, 01:50 PM »
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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2015, 01:52 PM »
Thanks @Brent Shively ...

Does the PDC 18/4 come with the attic sys like in the UK?

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2015, 01:54 PM »
Bryan,
Yes, it will.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2015, 01:59 PM »
Bryan,
Yes, it will.

Brent

Thanks Brent.  Ordered and ready to get my hands on this thing... been waiting since it was introduced in the UK!

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2015, 03:14 PM »
Can someone please explain the main differences between the BHC Hammer Drill and the PDC Percussion Drill

Why would someone choose one over the other?

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2015, 03:19 PM »
Can someone please explain the main differences between the BHC Hammer Drill and the PDC Percussion Drill

Why would someone choose one over the other?

My .02...

BHC is best suited for a lot of hammer drilling in masonary.  PDC is best for wood/steel and the occasional use of the "hammer" portion.  I am in the latter boat so that is the direction i went.  @jonny round boy had a nice write up on this one when he got it... look for that thread on the best uses for the PDC.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2015, 03:21 PM »
Can someone please explain the main differences between the BHC Hammer Drill and the PDC Percussion Drill

Why would someone choose one over the other?

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2015, 03:53 PM »
Is the TSC 55 compatible with the 15v battery?


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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2015, 03:58 PM »
Is the TSC 55 compatible with the 15v battery?

Yes. It will run at a slightly slower speed however.
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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2015, 07:52 PM »
two questions about the pdc 18:

what is the max torque rating of impact wrench, in foot/lbs?

and what is max rpm of drill side?

and how is the c18 different from the t18, and how what is max rpm and torque from c18?

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2015, 08:04 PM »
Bryan,
Yes, it will.

Brent

Will any of the other drill kits come with attic systainers? Or better yet, what other kits in general will come with attic systainers?

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2015, 08:06 PM »
Sorry, just realized this thread was titled for three specific tools.
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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2015, 08:12 PM »
two questions about the pdc 18:

what is the max torque rating of impact wrench, in foot/lbs?

and what is max rpm of drill side?

and how is the c18 different from the t18, and how what is max rpm and torque from c18?

thanks

The PDC is not an impact tool it is a percussion tool. The striking motion is lineal not rotational.

Max speed appears to be 3800 RPM.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2015, 10:27 PM »
two questions about the pdc 18:

what is the max torque rating of impact wrench, in foot/lbs?

and what is max rpm of drill side?

and how is the c18 different from the t18, and how what is max rpm and torque from c18?

thanks


As mentioned earlier the PDC is a Precussion or hammer drill and does not operate as an impact driver.
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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2015, 09:22 AM »
Does the PDC have a all metal chuck?

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2015, 09:36 AM »
Does the PDC have a all metal chuck?

The set I got (In Germany) came with a standard Centrotec chuck, and a Standard Jacobs Chuck. There are three other chucks available for the PDC including right angle, and socket adapters.  I don't know if any of the optional chucks are all metal.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2015, 09:37 AM »
The Keyless Chuck is the same chuck that our on our current C15., T15, and T18.  All of the inner workings are metal with a plastic outer covering.  The right angle chuck is metal.

Brent

Edit:  We will also have a Metal Keyless chuck available for the PDC. Part number 769065.
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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2015, 09:38 AM »
Does the PDC have a all metal chuck?

The set I got (In Germany) came with a standard Centrotec chuck, and a Standard Jacobs Chuck. There are three other chucks available for the PDC including right angle, and socket adapters.  I don't know if any of the optional chucks are all metal.

Frank

Our version will not come with the socket adapters that Frank mentioned.

Brent

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2015, 09:17 AM »
In the specs for the BHC18, it mentions crown borer - 2.6" or 68mm. Is a crown borer the same as a concrete hollow core bit? I've never heard the term crown borer before.. Thank you for any help.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2015, 09:21 AM »
Well that is disappointing, might as well just keep my 6 year old Hitachi.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2015, 09:51 AM »
In the specs for the BHC18, it mentions crown borer - 2.6" or 68mm. Is a crown borer the same as a concrete hollow core bit? I've never heard the term crown borer before.. Thank you for any help.

Yes, they are the same as hollow core bits.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2015, 10:22 AM »
That's awesome, thanks Brent!

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2015, 10:30 AM »
In the specs for the BHC18, it mentions crown borer - 2.6" or 68mm. Is a crown borer the same as a concrete hollow core bit? I've never heard the term crown borer before.. Thank you for any help.

Yes, they are the same as hollow core bits.

Brent

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2015, 12:46 PM »
Thanks neeleman!

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2015, 01:25 AM »
Any idea of run time with the two 5.2 Ah batteries for the TSC? I know the videos shot had lower Ah from a year or two ago. Also, how does power compare to the corded version? Is it similar or a little stronger on full charge? Can this saw handle cuts in 8/4 and 6/4 or is it better suited to sheet goods only and 4/4 stock?

I never really considered a battery track saw, but the videos have got me thinking. I really like the dust bag too and it seems like it would be great for lots of things and not having to worry about the dust extractor and cord is a plus in certain applications.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2015, 11:42 AM »
Any idea of run time with the two 5.2 Ah batteries for the TSC? I know the videos shot had lower Ah from a year or two ago. Also, how does power compare to the corded version? Is it similar or a little stronger on full charge? Can this saw handle cuts in 8/4 and 6/4 or is it better suited to sheet goods only and 4/4 stock?

I never really considered a battery track saw, but the videos have got me thinking. I really like the dust bag too and it seems like it would be great for lots of things and not having to worry about the dust extractor and cord is a plus in certain applications.

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 The run times could  very depending on  the application.  It can cut 100m of 3/4 plywood on two fully charged 5.2Ah batteries.

The TSC55 has an RPM of 5200 when using two 18v batteries.  The TS 55 REQ as the same 5200 RPM.  It can handle material thicknesses up to 1 15/16".  Blades selection will be key if  you plan on ripping any of these materials rather than cross cutting.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2015, 08:38 PM »
Any idea of run time with the two 5.2 Ah batteries for the TSC? I know the videos shot had lower Ah from a year or two ago. Also, how does power compare to the corded version? Is it similar or a little stronger on full charge? Can this saw handle cuts in 8/4 and 6/4 or is it better suited to sheet goods only and 4/4 stock?

I never really considered a battery track saw, but the videos have got me thinking. I really like the dust bag too and it seems like it would be great for lots of things and not having to worry about the dust extractor and cord is a plus in certain applications.

Thanks


 The run times could  very depending on  the application.  It can cut 100m of 3/4 plywood on two fully charged 5.2Ah batteries.

The TSC55 has an RPM of 5200 when using two 18v batteries.  The TS 55 REQ as the same 5200 RPM.  It can handle material thicknesses up to 1 15/16".  Blades selection will be key if  you plan on ripping any of these materials rather than cross cutting.

Brent

Is there any information about the dust/chip control efficiency for the TSC 55 with the onboard bag?  If this is as good as using a saw with the CT extractor it will be very useful for cutting sheet goods without the hose and wire dragging behind.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2015, 08:41 PM »
Jack,

Dust extraction is not quite as good with the bag as with an extractor, but it's darn close. Matter of fact, you'll find yourself needed to empty the bag every 50' or so. I don't know if there's a spec for % dust collection.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2015, 08:42 PM »
Is there any information about the dust/chip control efficiency for the TSC 55 with the onboard bag?  If this is as good as using a saw with the CT extractor it will be very useful for cutting sheet goods without the hose and wire dragging behind.

Jack

It actually works pretty well, but you have to empty the bag pretty frequently. Call it about 85% of the collection that you would get with a CT.

There is a Festool produced video from Germany showing a very long cut using the bags. Search for it, and you'll get a really good feeling about whether it will meet your needs without the CT.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2015, 08:46 PM »
Here's the video Frank is referring to.


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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2015, 08:46 PM »
Is there any information about the dust/chip control efficiency for the TSC 55 with the onboard bag?  If this is as good as using a saw with the CT extractor it will be very useful for cutting sheet goods without the hose and wire dragging behind.

Jack

It actually works pretty well, but you have to empty the bag pretty frequently. Call it about 85% of the collection that you would get with a CT.

There is a Festool produced video from Germany showing a very long cut using the bags. Search for it, and you'll get a really good feeling about whether it will meet your needs without the CT.

Cheers,

Frank

Thanks Frank,

I'm thinking that if I can rip a few 8' sheets of plywood with that bag I might be ordering one of them soon.  Since I have the T-18 drill with two 18v batteries this saw might be a very good solution for my track saw needs in cutting full sheets of plywood.

Jack

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2015, 08:51 PM »
I may have to look at that video a few times but, it looked like he changed bags every 16 - 24' of cut.  Are those bags the kind where you just unzip and dump?  If they are one time use, that can get very expensive in a hurry.

Jack
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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2015, 08:52 PM »
I may have to look at that video a few times but, it looked like he changed bags every 16 - 24' of cut.  Are those bags th eknid where you just unzip and dump?  If they are one time use, that can get very expensive in a hurry.

Yeah, unzip and dump. Note that material in the video is thicker than 3/4".
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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #33 on: May 11, 2015, 08:58 PM »
What is the weight of the TSC with two batteries inserted?


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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #34 on: May 11, 2015, 09:00 PM »
What is the weight of the TSC with two batteries inserted?

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2015, 10:05 PM »
Will the dust collecting bag designed for the TSC55 cordless saw fit on the old school TS55?

I understand the TS55 saw wasn't designed to be used with out the dust collector, but sometimes just a quick little cut doesn't justify pulling out the vac and getting all set up.

Also, i like the look of the dust drilling nozzle. Does it come with larger size fittings for drilling larger holes? that would be great! i could use when drilling with paddle/speed bits

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2015, 10:10 PM »
Will the dust collecting bag designed for the TSC55 cordless saw fit on the old school TS55?

I understand the TS55 saw wasn't designed to be used with out the dust collector, but sometimes just a quick little cut doesn't justify pulling out the vac and getting all set up.

Well, yes and no. The TSC 55 has a different port design. You could easily replace the port so that it accepts the dust bag, except Festool USA doesn't have that part yet according to my most recent inquiry. Once available, I would think the port would be fairly inexpensive, but that's a guess. To replace, you'd just need to remove the side cover on the saw (a few screws).

Also, i like the look of the dust drilling nozzle. Does it come with larger size fittings for drilling larger holes? that would be great! i could use when drilling with paddle/speed bits

Nope, don't think so.
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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #37 on: May 12, 2015, 04:02 AM »
I may have to look at that video a few times but, it looked like he changed bags every 16 - 24' of cut.  Are those bags th eknid where you just unzip and dump?  If they are one time use, that can get very expensive in a hurry.

Yeah, unzip and dump. Note that material in the video is thicker than 3/4".

Yes, it's 40mm worktop, so 1 1/2" material. He changed the bag every 5m, so about every 15'. I suspect that wasn't strictly necessary; the bags didn't look particularly full (I've used it to the point where the bag is rammed, and sawdust is spilling out when you remove it!).
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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #38 on: May 12, 2015, 08:23 AM »
I may have to look at that video a few times but, it looked like he changed bags every 16 - 24' of cut.  Are those bags th eknid where you just unzip and dump?  If they are one time use, that can get very expensive in a hurry.

Yeah, unzip and dump. Note that material in the video is thicker than 3/4".

Yes, it's 40mm worktop, so 1 1/2" material. He changed the bag every 5m, so about every 15'. I suspect that wasn't strictly necessary; the bags didn't look particularly full (I've used it to the point where the bag is rammed, and sawdust is spilling out when you remove it!).

How effective would you say the bag was vs hooking up your CT extractor?

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #39 on: May 12, 2015, 10:13 AM »

How effective would you say the bag was vs hooking up your CT extractor?

At around 1:38 of the video there seems to be quite a mist of fine dust coming from the saw, I didn't expect to see that.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #40 on: May 12, 2015, 10:35 AM »
I may have to look at that video a few times but, it looked like he changed bags every 16 - 24' of cut.  Are those bags th eknid where you just unzip and dump?  If they are one time use, that can get very expensive in a hurry.

Yeah, unzip and dump. Note that material in the video is thicker than 3/4".

Yes, it's 40mm worktop, so 1 1/2" material. He changed the bag every 5m, so about every 15'. I suspect that wasn't strictly necessary; the bags didn't look particularly full (I've used it to the point where the bag is rammed, and sawdust is spilling out when you remove it!).

How effective would you say the bag was vs hooking up your CT extractor?
You would be surprised how good the dust extraction on the TSC 55 with the dust bag is, I'm very happy with Mine. Check out the videos on You Tube, Phil from Festool UK has made a good one.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #41 on: May 12, 2015, 12:44 PM »
Also, i like the look of the dust drilling nozzle. Does it come with larger size fittings for drilling larger holes? that would be great! i could use when drilling with paddle/speed bits

Nope, don't think so.

I remember someone talking about how limited you are with the small diameter of the dust drilling nozzle.  This seems short sighted.  I'd love to have one of these if it could accommodate larger bits.  As is, I'll be passing on this one. 
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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #42 on: May 12, 2015, 01:09 PM »
First, the drilling dust nozzle was designed as an accessory for the BHC 18 and PDC 18.  It will work with other drills, but that was the original intent

As for drill sizes, it is designed for up to 12mm bits. Roughly 1/2".  I'm in our Georgia rental, away from my home shop in Florida, but being the fabulously smart guy I am and a former Boy Scout ("Be Prepared").... I happened to have brought the Dust Nozzle with me! [tongue] [wink] (Purchased last year in Germany)

I have used the nozzle with my T18, PDC 18 and BHC 18, and it performs brilliantly.  And YES... it WILL work with up to a 1/2" Bit! [big grin].... And maybe just a hair larger.

Here's a picture of the nozzle with a 1/2" bit in it... and it's still pretty loose.



It's not designed for use with spade bits or forstners, but it works exceedingly well for collecting waste with bits up to 12mm/1'2".

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #43 on: May 12, 2015, 05:01 PM »
I may have to look at that video a few times but, it looked like he changed bags every 16 - 24' of cut.  Are those bags th eknid where you just unzip and dump?  If they are one time use, that can get very expensive in a hurry.

Yeah, unzip and dump. Note that material in the video is thicker than 3/4".

Yes, it's 40mm worktop, so 1 1/2" material. He changed the bag every 5m, so about every 15'. I suspect that wasn't strictly necessary; the bags didn't look particularly full (I've used it to the point where the bag is rammed, and sawdust is spilling out when you remove it!).

How effective would you say the bag was vs hooking up your CT extractor?
You would be surprised how good the dust extraction on the TSC 55 with the dust bag is, I'm very happy with Mine. Check out the videos on You Tube, Phil from Festool UK has made a good one.

This is the link to the video


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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #44 on: May 12, 2015, 05:51 PM »
@SittingElf
Here's a shot with a 9/16" drill in the dust nozzle. So 14mm would be its metric limit.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #45 on: May 12, 2015, 07:06 PM »
Does the PDC have a all metal chuck?
Well that is disappointing, might as well just keep my 6 year old Hitachi.
I used to think an all metal chuck would be synonymous with quality. But after working a construction-oriented job for nearly 5 years I realize that all metal chucks just lead to more conspicuous damage when the drill chuck comes in contact with a metal frame/cabinet/support structure/equipment, etc. If I had a choice my Metabo drill would have a plastic coating on the chuck.

It is in my opinion that companies only make all metal chucks because they know a percentage of their consumer base will associate that with a higher quality product. I know I used to think that way, but I don't anymore. I wonder what Festool's motivation was for creating this chuck: https://www.festool.co.uk/Products/Accessories/Pages/Detail.aspx?pid=769065&name=Accessories-for-drills-percussion-drills-DR-18-4-and-PD-20-4-cordless-impact-drill-PDC-KC-13-1-2-MMFP
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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #46 on: May 12, 2015, 08:28 PM »
I may have to look at that video a few times but, it looked like he changed bags every 16 - 24' of cut.  Are those bags th eknid where you just unzip and dump?  If they are one time use, that can get very expensive in a hurry.

Yeah, unzip and dump. Note that material in the video is thicker than 3/4".

Yes, it's 40mm worktop, so 1 1/2" material. He changed the bag every 5m, so about every 15'. I suspect that wasn't strictly necessary; the bags didn't look particularly full (I've used it to the point where the bag is rammed, and sawdust is spilling out when you remove it!).

How effective would you say the bag was vs hooking up your CT extractor?
You would be surprised how good the dust extraction on the TSC 55 with the dust bag is, I'm very happy with Mine. Check out the videos on You Tube, Phil from Festool UK has made a good one.

This is the link to the video


The T.S.C 55 is my personal favourite - Pick up and cut, a cut quality equal to the corded T.S.  [thumbs up]
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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #47 on: May 15, 2015, 02:52 PM »
Also, i like the look of the dust drilling nozzle. Does it come with larger size fittings for drilling larger holes? that would be great! i could use when drilling with paddle/speed bits

Nope, don't think so.

I remember someone talking about how limited you are with the small diameter of the dust drilling nozzle.  This seems short sighted.  I'd love to have one of these if it could accommodate larger bits.  As is, I'll be passing on this one.
   As a small note Brice, I bought a Bosch version of this Festool dust nozzle that will handle up to 2 1/2" max bit size with the inner brush ring removed.  Stock size with the ring installed is 5/8" to 1 3/8". I bought it on Amazon.   Part # is HDC200.  I bought it for my much larger drill bits, I also have the small Festool nozzle for interior work where anchor sized bits will easily fit the smaller bushing of that nozzle.     ;D
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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #48 on: May 15, 2015, 03:41 PM »
I may have to look at that video a few times but, it looked like he changed bags every 16 - 24' of cut.  Are those bags th eknid where you just unzip and dump?  If they are one time use, that can get very expensive in a hurry.

Yeah, unzip and dump. Note that material in the video is thicker than 3/4".

Yes, it's 40mm worktop, so 1 1/2" material. He changed the bag every 5m, so about every 15'. I suspect that wasn't strictly necessary; the bags didn't look particularly full (I've used it to the point where the bag is rammed, and sawdust is spilling out when you remove it!).

How effective would you say the bag was vs hooking up your CT extractor?
You would be surprised how good the dust extraction on the TSC 55 with the dust bag is, I'm very happy with Mine. Check out the videos on You Tube, Phil from Festool UK has made a good one.

This is the link to the video


The T.S.C 55 is my personal favourite - Pick up and cut, a cut quality equal to the corded T.S.  [thumbs up]
rg
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I'll second that, If I was only allowed one Festool product, then it would be the TSC 55.

I've looked at that video several times and I can help but notice the cloud of wood dust being blown away by the wind.  That's not the kind of dust protection I want in my shop so this cordless saw might be well suited for outside application or it needs to hooked up to the dust extractor in the shop.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #49 on: May 15, 2015, 07:32 PM »
As a small note Brice, I bought a Bosch version of this Festool dust nozzle that will handle up to 2 1/2" max bit size with the inner brush ring removed.  Stock size with the ring installed is 5/8" to 1 3/8". I bought it on Amazon.   Part # is HDC200.  I bought it for my much larger drill bits, I also have the small Festool nozzle for interior work where anchor sized bits will easily fit the smaller bushing of that nozzle.     ;D

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #50 on: May 16, 2015, 08:59 AM »
I have found that all plastic chucks leave black marks on things that they shouldn't. Also, the plastic chucks end up looking chewed up from rubbing against screws and other assorted things. I just find it lacking to put a plastic outside on a hammer/ percussion drill that will get used on concrete and other really hard surfaces. I know I can buy the 600$ drill and then spend another 65$ on a different chuck just so I can have a metal one but why should I ?

Does the PDC have a all metal chuck?
Well that is disappointing, might as well just keep my 6 year old Hitachi.
I used to think an all metal chuck would be synonymous with quality. But after working a construction-oriented job for nearly 5 years I realize that all metal chucks just lead to more conspicuous damage when the drill chuck comes in contact with a metal frame/cabinet/support structure/equipment, etc. If I had a choice my Metabo drill would have a plastic coating on the chuck.

It is in my opinion that companies only make all metal chucks because they know a percentage of their consumer base will associate that with a higher quality product. I know I used to think that way, but I don't anymore. I wonder what Festool's motivation was for creating this chuck: https://www.festool.co.uk/Products/Accessories/Pages/Detail.aspx?pid=769065&name=Accessories-for-drills-percussion-drills-DR-18-4-and-PD-20-4-cordless-impact-drill-PDC-KC-13-1-2-MMFP

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #51 on: May 16, 2015, 03:32 PM »
Will the BHC and Carvex be able to exchange batteries?
Will the 5.2 ah batteries charge on a carvex charger?

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #52 on: May 16, 2015, 03:36 PM »
Will the BHC and Carvex be able to exchange batteries?
Will the 5.2 ah batteries charge on a carvex charger?

Yes and yes.
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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #53 on: May 16, 2015, 03:37 PM »
Yes both machines will take 12, 15 and 18V batteries.
The TCL 3 battery charger will take 5.2 Ah batteries.
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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #54 on: May 16, 2015, 04:13 PM »
Thank you both, makes the BHC a little easier to buy.
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« Reply #55 on: May 16, 2015, 05:41 PM »
Thanks, Bob!  [big grin]
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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #56 on: May 16, 2015, 08:53 PM »
I went to see a conturo demo today and they had a new tsc55 also, although I'm not in the market for a cordless tracksaw I did play with it a little bit. The first thing I noticed is Festool added a positive stop on the the saw at the front location at the bevel gauge something the 55req lacks. So leads me to believe Festool knows this is a flaw in the 55req and if the are going to update the req or offer a fix for us guys that already have req as the new tsc55 looks to use the the exact same base [scratch chin]   

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #57 on: May 17, 2015, 06:03 AM »
I went to see a conturo demo today and they had a new tsc55 also, although I'm not in the market for a cordless tracksaw I did play with it a little bit. The first thing I noticed is Festool added a positive stop on the the saw at the front location at the bevel gauge something the 55req lacks. So leads me to believe Festool knows this is a flaw in the 55req and if the are going to update the req or offer a fix for us guys that already have req as the new tsc55 looks to use the the exact same base [scratch chin]

I wouldn't describe the feature like that.  Yes, it IS nice to have the positive stop on the TSC, but to state that it was a "flaw" on the REQ alludes that there was something wrong with it.  Manufacturers improve their products all the time, based on user feedback, and design engineering updates. It doesn't mean that the previous model had a design problem, or needed a "fix". Maybe it was oversight, or that feedback from customers drove an improvement in new models. Describing features that you may have wanted, but are lacking on an existing tool as a "Flaw", is like saying that brushless new motors were designed to "fix" a "flawed" previous motor design.

Glad to see Festool continuing to incrementally develop their tools with new features and improvements as successive designs are introduced. Looking forward to grabbing a few 5.2amp batteries and seeing how they will improve...not "fix"... the endurance of the TSC55! [tongue]

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #58 on: May 18, 2015, 08:53 AM »
As a small note Brice, I bought a Bosch version of this Festool dust nozzle that will handle up to 2 1/2" max bit size with the inner brush ring removed.  Stock size with the ring installed is 5/8" to 1 3/8". I bought it on Amazon.   Part # is HDC200.  I bought it for my much larger drill bits, I also have the small Festool nozzle for interior work where anchor sized bits will easily fit the smaller bushing of that nozzle.     ;D

How does it fit with Festool hoses?
  I will recheck for you tonight since I haven't used it in a long time. I seem to remember that the 27mm hose fit just fine, but I can't remember about the 36mm hose. 
 The 27mm hose fits snugly in the Bosch nozzle. The 36mm hose fits, but will need a wrap of tape to keep it in since it looks like Bosch is using a hose end with tabs like the Planex hose to mate fully/tightly with its Dust Nozzle.
 The Festool nozzle has the added advantage of the hose connection end being a swivel, so it's less likely to get hung up in your way against say, a wall or corner as you're placing the nozzle where you need to drill.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #59 on: May 28, 2015, 11:44 AM »
Dear Festool/Brent
its now a few days before launch, perhaps festool would officially anwser the following(no web page
offically in usa?)
is this festool's view on difference between BHC and PDC?
and how is the PDC different from the BHC internally?
or are both the PDC and BHC really a "hammer drill" internally and the difference
is the bpm or top rpm produced?



Can someone please explain the main differences between the BHC Hammer Drill and the PDC Percussion Drill

Why would someone choose one over the other?

My .02...

BHC is best suited for a lot of hammer drilling in masonary.  PDC is best for wood/steel and the occasional use of the "hammer" portion.  I am in the latter boat so that is the direction i went.  @jonny round boy had a nice write up on this one when he got it... look for that thread on the best uses for the PDC.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #60 on: May 29, 2015, 01:24 AM »
Dear Festool/Brent
its now a few days before launch, perhaps festool would officially anwser the following(no web page
offically in usa?)
is this festool's view on difference between BHC and PDC?
and how is the PDC different from the BHC internally?
or are both the PDC and BHC really a "hammer drill" internally and the difference
is the bpm or top rpm produced?


BHC is a pneumatic rotary hammer. It literally like a small jackhammer, except adds rotation to the bit.
PDC is an electric drill with a vibration coupling in it. It doesn't produce any axial force except what you create by pushing on it.

You can turn off the hammering and drill wood/metal w/ the BHC, but it's heavy and slow.
You can drill masonry w/ the PDC w/ the vibrator, but it's slow and will make your hands tingly from the vibration.

Two different applications, both with a switch to turn on/off the hammering to make it more versatile, but in the end, pick the one that suits your applications the best. Or pick both.
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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #61 on: May 29, 2015, 09:00 AM »
thanks sae. great explanation.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #62 on: June 02, 2015, 04:14 PM »
If we use two 4.2Ah batteries on the TSC55 instead of the 5.2 batteries, is the difference just a matter of less runtime (but not less power)?
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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #63 on: June 02, 2015, 04:15 PM »
If we use two 4.2Ah batteries on the TSC55 instead of the 5.2 batteries, is the difference just a matter of less runtime (but not less power)?


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« Reply #64 on: June 02, 2015, 06:44 PM »
Thanks.
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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #65 on: July 24, 2015, 01:57 AM »
Bryan,
Yes, it will.

Brent
It does not have an impact wrench only impact drill ie hammer drill

Will any of the other drill kits come with attic systainers? Or better yet, what other kits in general will come with attic systainers?

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #66 on: July 24, 2015, 09:52 AM »
If we use two 4.2Ah batteries on the TSC55 instead of the 5.2 batteries, is the difference just a matter of less runtime (but not less power)?


Absolutely!


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I just reread this and want to clarify... My answer above is correct if the batteries are all of the same voltage and only the capacity (Ah rating) is different.


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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #67 on: July 28, 2015, 04:47 PM »
I'm looking to buy a 55-series TS, and have a battery/voltage-material question.  I'm interested in cutting mostly BB plywood (but also OSB, and Doug fir lumber).

Since:
  • voltage determines blade speed (2650-3800 RPM @ 18V / 5200 RPM @ 36V)
  • blade speed determines what materials can be cut

it seems that running at a lower voltage (single 12V, 15V, or 18V) might preclude the saw from cutting certain materials.

Are there prescribed materials that can be cut with two 18V batteries, that cannot be cut with a single 18V battery?

I've checked the TSC 55 manual and there is a table for speed settings (from the dial) for different materials, but that doesn't relate back to actual RPM.
« Last Edit: July 28, 2015, 04:50 PM by zacharysyoung »

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #68 on: July 28, 2015, 04:50 PM »
Zachary,

First, welcome to the forum.  [smile]

You should be able to cut those materials fine with a single battery. The lower speed will slow the cutting process but not limit what you can cut. Another way to say it is that it will take 1.5x or so longer to make the cut with one battery vs. two.

Edit: I wanted to also recommend that you consider a blade with a lower tooth count to increase cut speed if you plan to cut mostly with a single battery. The stock blade is a 48-tooth.

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #69 on: August 22, 2015, 03:37 PM »
Ive just ordered the Tsc 55 li plunge saw will my 5.2 18 v batts from my bhc sds fit straight in or do i need to remove the rubber protectors first thanks

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #70 on: August 22, 2015, 03:57 PM »
Ive just ordered the Tsc 55 li plunge saw will my 5.2 18 v batts from my bhc sds fit straight in or do i need to remove the rubber protectors first thanks

Hi
 They will fit with the cover on.
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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #71 on: August 22, 2015, 05:20 PM »
Thankyou phill ime pleased about that i thought they would after all its festool

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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #72 on: September 02, 2015, 03:28 PM »
Well i used my new tsc 55 all week and the verdict is excellent what a machine this is the best of the best by a long ways in my honest opinion i think its the best saw festool has ever made bar none the amount of dust it collects is phenomenal ive had it up on roofs with me had it on scaffold with me out in the wilds with no power source its been a real life saver i took two extra batteries and was good to go and they all fit in the sys two in machine and two in the sys all in all excellent so any questions i can answer now as i have not put the thing down since i bought it ha ha

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« Reply #73 on: September 02, 2015, 03:42 PM »
Hi
The TSC is great and the feedback Darren
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Re: Consolidated FAQ for the TSC 55, PDC 18 and BHC 18.
« Reply #74 on: September 07, 2015, 11:33 PM »
Is the Festool 769065 (in USA) 1/2 in. Metal Keyless Chuck ratcheting or
non-ratcheting?   Nothing wrong with the chuck that comes with the PDC, but I usually lock my drill bits via the brutal "no no don't do that" way.  :D