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Ask your questions here. Find information and details at http://www.festoolcms.comLet me begin the conversation by saying the CMS will only be available with the router module for the OF 1010 and OF 1400. Available October 1st, 2012. Shane |
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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2012, 12:37 PM » |
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Shane, I see you listed the OF1010 and OF1400 routers for the router module. The OF2200 will also work, was that just an oversight or is there some reason it won't work?
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Shane Holland
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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2012, 01:04 PM » |
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Shane, I see you listed the OF1010 and OF1400 routers for the router module. The OF2200 will also work, was that just an oversight or is there some reason it won't work?
Brice, as many of you who have been following the CMS will know, there's been complications getting UL approval on this tool. The UL approval currently only exists for the router module and the OF 1010 and OF 1400 routers. Therefore, there is currently not support in the US/Canada for using it with the OF 2200. That's not to say that it may not change at some point, but currently I would only count on compatibility with the OF 1010 and 1400. Shane |
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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2012, 01:55 PM » |
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Interesting...in Europe the CMS module kit is the same for OF1400 and OF2200. Perhaps they are holding back the bits specific to the OF2200?
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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2012, 02:39 PM » |
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Personally I'm very happy to see any part of the CMS coming to the USA, Thanks Festool....  The sliding table for coping rails will be awesome! |
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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2012, 03:03 PM » |
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So the question is will the US version have the same exact inserts as the rest of the ones made in Europe, if so can we then just buy the insert for the TS55 when we head over the pond and plug it in the US CMS unit. That is the question I want answered. If the answer is yes then I will buy one, if no that is one expensive router table. Same goes for the jigsaw insert.
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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2012, 03:15 PM » |
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Glad to see this first step, Shane.
Is there a continuing effort to bring other modules to the US market for the saws? Curious if this is a routing tool only 'forever' or if you are working to gain UL approval / modify designs for other modules as well.
Neil
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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2012, 03:25 PM » |
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So, at the bottom of the festoolcms link, it states the Festool buy & try 30 day policy. Is that just a general statement or is the CMS considered a power tool and also carries the same warranty? Just curious...thanks in advance!
Bob
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Kapex, TS55, Domino, MFK 700, OF 1400, OF 1010, RAS 115, RTS 400, ETS 150/3, ETS 125, CT 22 (2), C 12 (2), T-15+3, T-12+3, PSB 300 & more MFT's than i can count!
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« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2012, 04:58 PM » |
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Do we have a price on this yet? And the accessories would be great too
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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2012, 05:00 PM » |
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Do we have a price on this yet? And the accessories would be great too
The online dealers have uploaded pricing to their sites...Toolnut, tool home, etc Bob |
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Kapex, TS55, Domino, MFK 700, OF 1400, OF 1010, RAS 115, RTS 400, ETS 150/3, ETS 125, CT 22 (2), C 12 (2), T-15+3, T-12+3, PSB 300 & more MFT's than i can count!
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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2012, 06:18 PM » |
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Any Videos of the router module?
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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2012, 06:48 PM » |
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Shane are they going to offer a a pakg selling the CMS with a router.
I already own a 1010 but for a table mounted router Id like to get one that can hande 1/2 shank bits.
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Shhhhhh Dont tell the wife butttttt I bought another…….
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Shane Holland
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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2012, 08:28 PM » |
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Interesting...in Europe the CMS module kit is the same for OF1400 and OF2200. Perhaps they are holding back the bits specific to the OF2200?
The components for using the OF 2200 will not be included. So the question is will the US version have the same exact inserts as the rest of the ones made in Europe
As far as I know, there are no physical difference in the US/Canadian CMS and the one sold in other parts of the world other than power related component. We have UL approval only for the OF router module and cannot sanction the use of other modules in the CMS. Is there a continuing effort to bring other modules to the US market for the saws? Curious if this is a routing tool only 'forever' or if you are working to gain UL approval / modify designs for other modules as well.
Neil, I suspect that there will be a continuing effort to bring additional NAINA components, tools and accessories to the North American market including the other CMS modules. However, I don't have any specific information about those efforts. So, at the bottom of the festoolcms link, it states the Festool buy & try 30 day policy. Is that just a general statement or is the CMS considered a power tool and also carries the same warranty? Just curious...thanks in advance!
Bob, the CMS is considered a tool so the 3-year warranty and 30-day money back guarantee would apply. Do we have a price on this yet? And the accessories would be great too
The following prices are for the US only. P00112 CMS-GE Router Table $1,200.00 P00111 CMS-GE Router Table Set $1,600.00 P00110 CMS-VL MFT/3 Router Table $1,000.00 P00109 CMS-VL MFT/3 Router Table Set $1,300.00 488451 Miter Gauge $175.00 492100 CMS Sliding Table $350.00 492092 CMS Table Infeed/Outfeed Extension $250.00 488292 CMS Dust Extraction Hose Set $100.00 Any Videos of the router module?
I'm sure a search on YouTube will yield some results. I haven't watched all of these, but here are some:
Shane are they going to offer a a pakg selling the CMS with a router.
There are currently no plans to offer packages that will include a router. |
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« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2012, 12:06 AM » |
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The wife asked me (well, told me, you know how it goes) to go get another bottle for the baby at around 3:30 this morning. I got out of bed, and even though it was warm out, I felt a very deep chill for a second or two. Maybe a certain somewhere actually had frozen over, and I just didn't realize it at the time. I'm glad to see that Festool managed to at least work around some of the gating issues they were facing, and get at least part of the system available over here. Now, I need to explain to the wife why I "need" this, hah.
On topic, the MFT/3-VL has been in EKAT for quite a while, now that it's officially a "sanctioned" product for North America, are you guys planning on adding in the various accessories and router plate(s?) to the system?
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« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2012, 12:28 AM » |
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That is awesome that this is going to be available here! Disappointing that the 2200 module is not going to be available -- that makes no sense to me and the 2200 seems like the perfect router for table use.
Does it take the same plate for both the 1010 and 1400 or is there a different plate for each router and if so, what is the cost?
Thanks!
Scot
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« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2012, 02:33 AM » |
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When will dealers have them to touch, look and play???
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« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2012, 02:54 AM » |
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The EU CMS-OF insert is same for all three routers. The difference is only in which way round you put the guidepin into the router (1010 one way and 1400/2200 the opposite way) and which plastic top ring to use around the collet/table too. The 2200 also needs a small transparent plastic cover around its shank under the table to halt the dust going into its motor when inverted. I recall JMB posted some pics of his in a thread about his 2200 baseplate mod to his CMS-module to enable quick swap of the 2200 with its swappable base plate screwed permanently to the CMS module elsewhere on FOG.
The clamps are universal J-shaped pieces of aluminum with screws throung them to tighten the clamp to the routers baseplate.
So if the NA 2200 has an identical baseplate to the EU version it should fit into the CMS-OF module and all you need is two plastic rings to complete the fit.
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« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2012, 03:28 AM » |
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would the vl attach to the cms unit to make a dual unit. not of any use to ye yet but to us. having 2 inserts set up would be cool
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ts 55+2 1400 rails+ 1 lr32 1400 rail, domino+assortment systainer+ domiplate, ct 22 with boom arm+home made thien baffel, lr32 set, rotex 150, home made MFT,home made work center, 6 t locs for other tools, of2000 , ro 90, mft 800, trion , ls 130
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of 1400, MFT 3,, even more t locs for other tools
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« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2012, 04:01 AM » |
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would the vl attach to the cms unit to make a dual unit. not of any use to ye yet but to us. having 2 inserts set up would be cool
the CMS-VL CMS insert holder attaches the the the newer style MFT profile, it has a plastic v shaped connector that sits on the MFT profile. The CMS-VL itself uses the smae profile as MFT, so you can attached any number of VL together, or put one at each end of an MFT is you wanted to lets say have a permamnent CMS with the TS55 and a router CMS set-up |
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« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2012, 08:43 AM » |
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Can the fence halves be offset independently front to back?
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The tools in my truck were talking the other day. The Dewalts, PC's, Boschs, Makitas were not happy. They also were in the minority. Their complaint: They felt unused and unappreciated since the Festools moved in. I guess the truth hurts.
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« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2012, 08:53 AM » |
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would the vl attach to the cms unit to make a dual unit. not of any use to ye yet but to us. having 2 inserts set up would be cool
the CMS-VL CMS insert holder attaches the the the newer style MFT profile, it has a plastic v shaped connector that sits on the MFT profile. The CMS-VL itself uses the smae profile as MFT, so you can attached any number of VL together, or put one at each end of an MFT is you wanted to lets say have a permamnent CMS with the TS55 and a router CMS set-up iwas thinking that but wasnt sure |
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now
ts 55+2 1400 rails+ 1 lr32 1400 rail, domino+assortment systainer+ domiplate, ct 22 with boom arm+home made thien baffel, lr32 set, rotex 150, home made MFT,home made work center, 6 t locs for other tools, of2000 , ro 90, mft 800, trion , ls 130
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of 1400, MFT 3,, even more t locs for other tools
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
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« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2012, 09:07 AM » |
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are you guys planning on adding in the various accessories and router plate(s?) to the system?
I'm not sure which accessories you're referring to, can you give me an idea of which ones? We will be offering the OF router module (plate) that will accept the OF 1010 or OF 1400 router. The sliding table, miter gauge, dual hose dust extraction set for top and bottom collection, and infeed/outfeed extension table. Does it take the same plate for both the 1010 and 1400 or is there a different plate for each router and if so, what is the cost?
Same plate/module for either router, Scot. Can the fence halves be offset independently front to back?
Yes, it can be. |
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« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2012, 09:16 AM » |
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is there an above table adjustment for bit height or do we reach under the table for that.
thnx
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« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2012, 09:37 AM » |
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is there an above table adjustment for bit height or do we reach under the table for that.
thnx
Above with a removable handle.. on the videos above you can see it on the right of the 2nd video from the top |
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« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2012, 09:45 AM » |
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It's actually possible to adjust the bit height from the top or the bottom. Not sure why you'd want to reach under the table to do it, but you can.  |
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« Reply #25 on: August 03, 2012, 09:55 AM » |
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« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2012, 10:04 AM » |
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It's actually possible to adjust the bit height from the top or the bottom. Not sure why you'd want to reach under the table to do it, but you can.
I think you can do it from the bottom to get the bit close when you still have the module upside down and out of the table. |
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« Reply #27 on: August 03, 2012, 12:26 PM » |
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Or in case you got some jig set up that covers the top hole.
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« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2012, 01:29 PM » |
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Or in case you got some jig set up that covers the top hole.
Yeah, good point Alex. |
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« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2012, 01:59 PM » |
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Wow. Am I the only one that gets the impression this even caught FestoolUSA off guard?
I don't need it... but I want it. My unisaw with delta sliding table, router table extension and Incra fence is looking a little bulky all of a sudden.
Shane, can the table extension be used with the VL? For some reason it isn't in the package but there's no reason it couldn't be added, right?
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