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Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« on: February 10, 2012, 10:56 AM »
Ok, so there are a lot of questions about the Planex and AutoClean. Rather than have 4 or more threads going with questions scattered everywhere, this will make it easier for me to find the questions and for you to find the answers.

If you have additional questions, please post them here.

Festool Planex Drywall Sander, 571579, $1000 USD, $1155 CAN
Festool CT 36 AutoClean (AC) Dust Extractor, 584014, $750 USD, $866 CAN

PLANEX QUESTIONS

What are the advantages of the Planex over the Porter Cable drywall sander?

Here are some of them, there may be others.

- Variable suction, controlled on the handle, allows the Planex to support itself using the suction from the vac reducing fatigue
- Modular design so it can be short for hallways, medium for normal use, long for high ceilings
- A robust, sealed 2-speed gear box instead of their cable drive which is more likely to fail over time
- A locking mechanism that keeps the hose from falling off
- Sealed switches and dials that can can't be infiltrated by dust, resulting in failure
- Switches and dials that are large and all within reach while operating the machine, right at your fingertips
- MUCH, MUCH less expensive abrasives lowering total cost of ownership
- A three year warranty versus their one year
- A removable brush around the pad that can let you get right against adjacent surfaces
- A rubber handle, theirs is plastic and gets quite slippery when you have dust on your hands
- And... even better dust extraction

Is there a package deal for the CT AutoClean?

Participating dealers can offer a CT AC package deals with discount savings on CT AC when purchased with any tool, including the Planex. See dealer for details.

When will the Planex be available?

We are accepting orders from dealers now with an official introduction date of March 1st for the Planex and CT AC. Check with your preferred dealer for availability. I would encourage you to let your dealer know that you want one in advance to ensure they order enough.

Does the variable suction dial on the Planex require the CT AC to function?

The vacuum control does not require the CT AutoClean, but other models of CT Dust Extractors cannot keep up with the quantities of dust produced by the PLANEX. Hence, the need for an automatic filter cleaning mechanism (AutoClean). The control on the Planex basically  restricts air flow from the CT AC as needed. At the right setting, the PLANEX will virtually hold itself to the wall or ceiling, supporting its own weight.

CT AUTOCLEAN QUESTIONS

Can you use the standard (non-AutoClean) CTs with the Planex?

Yes, of course it's possible. The Planex needs a 36mm hose which is not included with the standard CT models. Also, we have found drywall dust to be (apparently) smaller than 5 microns allowing some dust to pass through the filter bag and into the "tub" and to the main filter. What this means is that you may not get the full bag capacity because of a reduction in suction. Also, your HEPA filter will likely get clogged with fine dust over time depending on the quantity of dust produced. The AutoClean (High Performance HF-CT 496172) filter will fit into a standard CT but without the automated cleaning functionality, I guess you would need to periodically stop, pull the filter, clean it through agitation and put it back in. A standard 36mm hose will not have the ability to use the locking mechanism that keeps the hose from wiggling loose. You can buy the AutoClean hose separately, which is lighter and more flexible than the standard 36mm hose (496972).

Can I use the CT AutoClean for purposes other than with the Planex?

Yes, of course you can. It's a dust extractor. There is a dial on the front of the unit that control the frequency of AutoCleaning and has a setting for no AutoClean. So, it would function just like a regular CT. The standard filter is not HEPA and I currently don't have information on what level of filtration it does provide. You could install a HEPA filter into the unit, but it has not been tested for and should not be used for RRP. You can use filter bags in the CT AC.

What happens to the dust in the CT AutoClean?

The CT AutoClean is designed to be used with a plastic liner. It drapes over the bucket/tub and be easily disposed of. Again, the AutoClean can use standard filter bags but it's not recommended for drywall applications.

Will the CT AutoClean hose work with all tools?

The CT AutoClean comes with a 36mm black, very flexible, lightweight hose with a flange used to lock it onto the Planex. It will not work with any tool requiring a 27mm hose, such as sanders. It will work on all tools that can use a 36mm hose, with the exception of the HL 850 which requires the hose to go on the inside of the dust port. The AutoClean hose will not go on the inside of the port because of the flange.

What is the difference between the HEPA filter and High Performance filter?

The HEPA filter will capture particles down to 0.3 microns in size whereas the high performance filter does not offer that level of filtration. The high performance filter is tested to captured 99.9% of particles down to 1 micron in size. When comparing the two there are some distinguishing features. The HEPA Filter has very tight pleats, a brown seal on its sides, has "HEPA" written on it and is very rigid. The high performance filter has much larger and more open pleats and is very flexible to the point that it can be bent into a circle. In the photo below, the HEPA is on the left.

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WHERE CAN I GET MORE INFORMATION?

I have created a website that has basic information about the Planex and CT AC. Check it out here: Festool Planex Drywall Sander. The site may be updated with additional information in the future but for now it covers most of the basics.





« Last Edit: February 16, 2012, 08:04 AM by Shane Holland »

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2012, 11:15 AM »
Great job, Shane. Thanks!  [thumbs up]
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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2012, 12:27 PM »
Thanks Shane.  I look forward to reading about other people's questions and using the Planex this summer.   ;D

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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2012, 01:47 PM »
I'm speaking for myself here, as I don't truly know what others do or don't do,  but as a Professional Woodworker, I stay as far from drywall work as I can...
I've done my share of hanging and finishing,  but there's no way we could compete with an experienced drywall crew...
I do however know quite a few drywallers and plasterers who could really benefit from this,  but most of these guys would do better with an old school VHS or DVD to watch on their TV as opposed to emailing a link for one of the demo videos.
(can't show something like this on-site, or the feathers get ruffled, defense mechanism kicks in, and no mater what it is, it's not as good as ________. rhetoric in-sues.
make some DVD's and I will be more than happy to pass them out to 4-5 qualified potential users (those that would buy 8-10 rigs or more once satisfied with the first...)
but for ME,  when I think "drywall"  the only tool that comes to mind is my cell phone. :-\ 
Kapex on a UG, TS75, OF1400 (x2) OF2000,,HL850,  Domino, RO90, RO125,  LS130, RAS115, MFT3, C12 Set, CXS Set, LR32 Set,  arsenal growing as fast as I can afford it!

Looking to buy: RO150EQ+ ; LR32 guide rails, 3000mm guide rail, parallel guide set   ;  another TS55 to replace the 1 I sold...   OF1010 and additional Festool Routers ;  RS2  ;    and a FESTOOL BS105 BELT SANDER SET
OK, let's face it, I'm always looking for any Festools / accessories.

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2012, 02:29 PM »
Shane, you mention abrasives.  Which abrasives in which grits are used with the Planex?
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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2012, 02:33 PM »
Here you go, Frank.


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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2012, 02:41 PM »
Shane, you mention abrasives.  Which abrasives in which grits are used with the Planex?

495929, Brilliant, P80, box of 25
495930, Brilliant, P100, box of 25     
495931, Brilliant, P120, box of 25     
495932, Brilliant, P240, box of 25     
495066, Brilliant, P150, box of 25    
495067, Brilliant, P180, box of 25    
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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2012, 02:53 PM »
Shane, there are still comments being made about the Planex in the other theads.  Can't you close those threads and move all their content to this one?
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2012, 02:54 PM »
pretty good price. I was expecting much higher. So 1675$ for the kit (assuming the 10% discount on the CT). I think this is one of the festool tools that I would appreciate the peace of mind of having the 30 day money back, since it will be kind of hard to see it in action at the local hardware store.

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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2012, 04:42 PM »
Weird the USA doesn't get Crystal and Titan also.

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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2012, 06:29 PM »
Weird the USA doesn't get Crystal and Titan also.

You remember how long it took us to get Granat.

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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2012, 06:46 PM »
All these abrasive comments...


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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2012, 08:56 PM »
All these abrasive comments...

They're rubbing me the wrong way too.  [blink]  [tongue]

Just don't get sore about it.
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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2012, 12:30 PM »
pretty good price. I was expecting much higher. So 1675$ for the kit (assuming the 10% discount on the CT). I think this is one of the festool tools that I would appreciate the peace of mind of having the 30 day money back, since it will be kind of hard to see it in action at the local hardware store.
Ceddy, you make a great point, one I've been making quite a bit on the phone lately with prospective buyers.  This is the epitome of a tool that justifies Festool USA's decision to extend a no hassle, 30 day, money back guarantee.  A lot of folks are saying, I don't see, can't justify the $1,000 expense, just over twice the price of the Porter Cable 7800, on this new Festool.  I bring up the 30 day policy, but really, we're all willing to pay 5 x's the price of a Makita 5007 circular saw for a TS 55, why not twice the price of a Porter Cable 7800?  The savings in abrasives pointed out by Shane, the near weightlessness, harness setup, Festool reliability, small efficiency improvements like sanding into corners, the hose not falling off....these all certainly add up in my book.  It's no different than any other Festool.  It seems to me that it's current stature of such a niche tool has brought about a lot of hesitancy, that's about it.
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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2012, 11:07 AM »
Updates:

The high-performance filter in the CT AC is tested to the European "M" standard which is 99.9% of particles down to 1 micron.

Canadian pricing added.

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« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2012, 02:02 PM »
Hi Shane,

Thanks for posting this convenient thread. 

I am a general contractor working on mainly bathrooms and kitchens, so the areas of drywall that I install/repair are usually fairly small.  I already have a CT33 (pre-RRP requirements) and a CT26 along with a Rigid and Dewalt, so I am kind of reluctant to buy another $750 vacuum.  Here are some questions that will help me make a decision.

1) For occasionally sanding a typical bathroom or kitchen amount of drywall, could I expect good results using my CT26?

2) If I added something like the Oneida Ultimate Cyclone for the Festool vacs (something that I would also benefit from when making cabinets), could I expect good results using the CT26?

3) If I was able to sell the 33 or 26 and then put the CT AC to use in the shop, when it wasn't being used for drywall duty, could I expect good results from the CT AC (without a bag) for collecting wood dust from routers, sanders and saws.  In other words, without a bag, would that blowback action clear the wood dust collecting on the elements as effectively as the video shows it working for drywall dust.

I do all of the trades for my remodeling projects and the way that I do drywall, there isn't a whole lot of sanding that ends up being needed, but even so, there is enough to require tarps (that need washing) and vacuuming and the protective gear and clothing (that needs washing) and the dust from my shoes and clothes that gets into my truck (that needs eventual cleaning).  I'm seriously considering getting just the Planex to try and eliminate even that small amount of dust since it ends up requiring quite a bit of extra effort to clean up. 

If it won't disappoint me while using it with just the CT26, then I will probably give it a try, but if I have to buy another expensive vacuum, then I'll have to think about it reallllllly hard!

Thanks Shane!

Roland

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« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2012, 02:45 PM »
Roland,

Thanks for the questions. Let me see if I can answer them for you adequately.

1) For occasional use of the Planex, your current CT models should be up to the task. The caveat is that you will probably find that you need to periodically tap the filter out to keep it free of the most fine of the drywall dust. Drywall dust ranges in size down to 1 micron, below the filtration leave of the filter bag which is 5 micron. So, drywall dust can pass right through the filter bag and into the HEPA filter. This is not going to be as much of a problem with wood dust, which is larger in size. As much as I'd like to sell you on the Planex, which is a phenomenal solution, you may be better off considering an ETS/DTS/RTS sander for small patch jobs. Much smaller and lighter but still great at capturing that drywall dust. There are several threads here that talk about members using these sanders for drywall with great success. Just something to consider.

2) I'm no familiar enough with the Oneida products to give advice on how they would react with drywall dust. If you're talking about for wood dust, I'd suggest a forum search as there are some reviews/commentary on members experience with that product.

3) Yes, you should see the same great dust extraction for non-drywall applications with the CT AC as you would with our other CT models. The filtration level on the CT AC, with its supplied filter, would be 1 micron at 99.9% versus HEPA which is 0.3 micron at 99.997%. The AutoClean functionality should keep the filter free of debris and dust even with wood dust. However, it would be somewhat counterproductive to run it without a bag in my opinion, from a disposal perspective. You could use the same filter bags for the CT 36 with CT AC and run it with a bag if you chose and saw the benefit. Running without the bag would probably mean you would need to replace the high-performance filter in the CT AC more frequently than without.

Hope that helps. If you still have questions, let me know.

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« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2012, 06:34 PM »
I have sanded quite a bit of drywall by now with my DTS400, ETS125 and RO 150, assisted by the CT22, CT26 and CT Mini. I have never found any dust on the filters themselves. All the dust gets captured by the bags, where the only problem is premature clogging and as a consequence, loss of suction. Which is quite a bit less now with the new bags of the new CT 26.

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I believe the Planex will clog the HEPA filters because of the volume of fine drywall dust it takes in compared with the other Festool sanders.

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« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2012, 07:21 PM »
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« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2012, 12:52 AM »
Hi Shane,

Thanks for posting this convenient thread.  

I am a general contractor working on mainly bathrooms and kitchens, so the areas of drywall that I install/repair are usually fairly small.  I already have a CT33 (pre-RRP requirements) and a CT26 along with a Rigid and Dewalt, so I am kind of reluctant to buy another $750 vacuum.  Here are some questions that will help me make a decision.

1) For occasionally sanding a typical bathroom or kitchen amount of drywall, could I expect good results using my CT26?

2) If I added something like the Oneida Ultimate Cyclone for the Festool vacs (something that I would also benefit from when making cabinets), could I expect good results using the CT26?

3) If I was able to sell the 33 or 26 and then put the CT AC to use in the shop, when it wasn't being used for drywall duty, could I expect good results from the CT AC (without a bag) for collecting wood dust from routers, sanders and saws.  In other words, without a bag, would that blowback action clear the wood dust collecting on the elements as effectively as the video shows it working for drywall dust.

I do all of the trades for my remodeling projects and the way that I do drywall, there isn't a whole lot of sanding that ends up being needed, but even so, there is enough to require tarps (that need washing) and vacuuming and the protective gear and clothing (that needs washing) and the dust from my shoes and clothes that gets into my truck (that needs eventual cleaning).  I'm seriously considering getting just the Planex to try and eliminate even that small amount of dust since it ends up requiring quite a bit of extra effort to clean up.  

If it won't disappoint me while using it with just the CT26, then I will probably give it a try, but if I have to buy another expensive vacuum, then I'll have to think about it reallllllly hard!

Thanks Shane!

Roland

Roland,

To answer number two regarding the Ultimate Dust Deputy I may be helpful in a round about way.
I'm presently working on a remodel where I've had to cut concrete with my Hilti Diamond saw and drill out 1 1/2" holes in sandstone and vac out the holes.
I didn't want to spend $900 plus on a Hilti vac especially designed to vacuum concrete dust because it has a stirrer that stirs the contents every 15 seconds to eliminate caking.
I have several ct's and my older ct33 is relegated to demo work, (I didn't want to beat up my ct36's with demo work) I knew that if I used that one directly I would have bag blowout almost every time, especially due to the weight of the rock dust. So I ordered the Ultimate Dust Deputy and I couldn't be happier. When using the Ultimate DD I consider when it fills to 2/3's as full as I don't want any bypass filling my ct33 - at 2/3's full the Ultimate DD caught about 70 lbs of rock dust! With a miniscule amount going into the CT. I'm so thrilled with the Ultimate DD that I ordered another one for the sanding room of my workshop. I have no doubt that one would have similar results with drywall dust, with the benefit of a Hepa Filter to boot.

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« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2012, 01:08 AM »
Shane,

On the Ct AutoClean where you connect the hose to the vac there is what appears to be an internal hose gate with an animation of it on the second video.
Will that also be available as an option for the Ct33? It seems very nifty.

cheers,
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« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2012, 03:43 PM »
Checked out the PLanex and AutoClean 36 at my brick and mortar dealer today.  No drywall to try it on, but it seems very nice.  It had a good feel.  The sectional breakdown of the "tubes" looked  good too.


Will the CT Planex "caddy" that mounts to the top of the CT be available?  That wasn't on display and I forgot to ask.

Is the Planex delivered in a the Maxi Sys. for NA?


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« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2012, 04:33 PM »
Seth, the CT mount (caddy) is available so check with your dealer. And, yes it does come on the Maxi as does the harness.

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« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2012, 04:35 PM »
Shane,

On the Ct AutoClean where you connect the hose to the vac there is what appears to be an internal hose gate with an animation of it on the second video.
Will that also be available as an option for the Ct33? It seems very nifty.

Sorry I missed seeing this, Roger. Yes, it's the blast gate and will work with any of our CTs.

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« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2012, 10:28 AM »
I've read that the Planex can be used for removing wall paper, but I'm wondering if it would work knocking down ceiling texture.  Like the popcorn type that would usually get scraped off with water and a drywall knife.  If it is possible, what grit would you suggest.
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« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2012, 11:49 AM »
I've read that the Planex can be used for removing wall paper, but I'm wondering if it would work knocking down ceiling texture.  Like the popcorn type that would usually get scraped off with water and a drywall knife.  If it is possible, what grit would you suggest.

Yes, it can be used for knocking down popcorn or texture on a ceiling. I would recommend 80 or 100 grit. The Planex has two dust extraction options which are selected with a switch on the head: inside the pad or outside the pad. You will want to select outside the pad for this application. Generally, you will select inside the pad for other applications, like drywall sanding. Using extraction on the outside of the pad is best suited when you're creating larger debris rather than fine dust.

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« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2012, 04:48 PM »
3) Yes, you should see the same great dust extraction for non-drywall applications with the CT AC as you would with our other CT models. The filtration level on the CT AC, with its supplied filter, would be 1 micron at 99.9% versus HEPA which is 0.3 micron at 99.997%. The AutoClean functionality should keep the filter free of debris and dust even with wood dust. However, it would be somewhat counterproductive to run it without a bag in my opinion, from a disposal perspective. You could use the same filter bags for the CT 36 with CT AC and run it with a bag if you chose and saw the benefit. Running without the bag would probably mean you would need to replace the high-performance filter in the CT AC more frequently than without.

Hey, Shane.  A few questions regarding this:

1:  How does the blow back function work if you use a bag?  Wouldn't it just put the fine dust back into the tub, where it would immediately get sucked BACK into the filter?   


2:  You wrote,  "we have found drywall dust to be (apparently) smaller than 5 microns allowing some dust to pass through the filter bag and into the "tub" and to the main filter...." 
- I agree this happens with drywall / plaster dust. AFAIK, there is now wood dust smaller than 5 microns, so I see no benefit from this system for wood-only applications.  Am I wrong?


3:  I am considering upgrading to a CT36 AC (I currently have the RPP-HEPA CT36) and only using a plastic bag for those rare times that I sand / clean up drywall.  EXCEPT:  Would the "blow back" function work with the RPP-HEPA filter, or would I have to remember to swap-in the 1 micron HP filter when using blow back?

4:  If one installs the new blast gate on an existing CT36, will it reduce suction at all? (Has Festool tested this with actual cfm & water lift numbers?  This is important to me, as I use my CT36 for routing & also general cleanup, where every bit of suction counts.

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« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2012, 04:58 PM »
1:  How does the blow back function work if you use a bag?  Wouldn't it just put the fine dust back into the tub, where it would immediately get sucked BACK into the filter?   

You would not use the AutoClean feature with a bag installed. It won't work. The filter bag gets sucked up against the filter essentially. So, there's nowhere for the dust to go if the AutoClean actuates, it would fall on the bag and go right back into the fitler, just like you said.

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2:  You wrote,  "we have found drywall dust to be (apparently) smaller than 5 microns allowing some dust to pass through the filter bag and into the "tub" and to the main filter...." 
- I agree this happens with drywall / plaster dust. AFAIK, there is now wood dust smaller than 5 microns, so I see no benefit from this system for wood-only applications.  Am I wrong?

Wood dust is generally larger than 5 microns. Wood SMOKE can be smaller than 5 microns. There's no particular advantage for wood applications. However, there is the possibility of using the CT AutoClean for drywall sanding and woodworking. Whereas, I wouldn't recommend the non-AutoClean units for drywall sanding if you're doing a lot of it.

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3:  I am considering upgrading to a CT36 AC (I currently have the RPP-HEPA CT36) and only using a plastic bag for those rare times that I sand / clean up drywall.  EXCEPT:  Would the "blow back" function work with the RPP-HEPA filter, or would I have to remember to swap-in the 1 micron HP filter when using blow back?

The CT AutoClean is not designed or tested for RRP applications and should not be used for those tasks. If you're just wanting to use a HEPA filter and it's not for RRP, then you can do so. It's the same filter as the other CT 26/36/48 units that would fit in the CT AutoClean. I would not recommend using the AutoClean functionality with a HEPA filter but rather swap filters.

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4:  If one installs the new blast gate on an existing CT36, will it reduce suction at all? (Has Festool tested this with actual cfm & water lift numbers?  This is important to me, as I use my CT36 for routing & also general cleanup, where every bit of suction counts.

I don't have any scientific data to support it, but I don't believe suction would be reduced. I can't say definitively because I haven't used one since we don't have them yet. They are expected later in the month.

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2012, 05:17 PM »
Thanks!

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« Reply #30 on: March 01, 2012, 05:18 PM »
Quick follow up... I'm not in the office today but a colleague just confirmed that we received some of the blast gates and had a look at them. As long as you don't close it, there's no drop in CFM as I suspected.

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« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2012, 04:13 PM »
Hi Shane, I had a few questions from the perspective of someone looking to try the planex under the 30 day guarantee

1)  What comes with the tool package?   In particular, b/c I heard it improves usability greatly, does an interface pad come with it?  How about any sample abrasives?
2)  B/c I'm mostly looking to just try it at the moment I'd probably just use it with my CT33 + dust deputy.   Could you edit in the part # and price (USD/CAD) of the planex hose into the original post since that seems like a required item (at least in my case).
3) What abrasives would you recommend as a good starting point?
4) How do consumables work under the 30 day guarantee?  I would assume you can't return an opened & incomplete box of sandpaper but if the tool comes with a sample pack I would figure using those shouldn't be an issue?

Thanks

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« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2012, 07:36 PM »
Brian, sorry for the delay getting back to you on this. See my responses below, let me know if you still have any questions. Thanks.

1)  What comes with the tool package?   In particular, b/c I heard it improves usability greatly, does an interface pad come with it?  How about any sample abrasives?

It does not include the interface pad (#496140, $40 USD/$46.20 CDN), which is optional and sold separately. I also don't believe that it comes with any sample abrasives, but I'd have to check to confirm or maybe one of our dealers on the forum can check for us.

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2)  B/c I'm mostly looking to just try it at the moment I'd probably just use it with my CT33 + dust deputy.   Could you edit in the part # and price (USD/CAD) of the planex hose into the original post since that seems like a required item (at least in my case).

To clarify, you can use a standard hose but it will not have a positive locking mechanism with the Planex and could pull loose with a lot of movement. The Planex-specific hose is #496972, $150 USD/$173.30 CDN.

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3) What abrasives would you recommend as a good starting point?

For general drywall sanding, I would say that 150 grit would be a good start. The Planex can remove drywall compound pretty rapidly, so go with a grit that's a step or two higher that would you might think you'd use. If you have stuff that's pretty rough, also add 100 grit.

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4) How do consumables work under the 30 day guarantee?  I would assume you can't return an opened & incomplete box of sandpaper but if the tool comes with a sample pack I would figure using those shouldn't be an issue?

Only the tool is covered by the 30 day guarantee. Accessories, like the interface pad, and consumables would not be covered and are not returnable unless your dealer offers a return policy beyond Festool's 30 day guarantee.

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2012, 09:05 PM »
Sample abrasive with the Planex: the ones I have in stock came with a sheet of 150 grit Brilliant.

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« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2012, 09:29 PM »
'Same here, Chip.


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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2012, 02:33 AM »
Hi there,

Longtime lurker here and fairly new festool owner. First of all thanks for all the great info guys!

Guess I'm getting a bit of extractor overload, I have a few questions for anybody wiling:

1. Does the CT AC simply blast air back through the filter to clear it?
2. What does the blast gate do then, or why would you want it other than containing dust when removing the hose?
3. If the filter is kept relatively clean why does it not still use a hepa filter? I realize it is not intended for RPP etc. but why go down in filter quality?
4. If a plastic bag can be used how does it keep from being sucked up into the filter?

Thanks for any help, I am asking with concrete dust collection in mind. I will be doing a bunch of floor grinding and had originally planned on using my Midi and buying a Dust Deputy to collect the bulk of it but then the CT AC came out and I was curious if it was better instead (and also good for using on the job site with tools that create lots of bulk dust such as a table saw and router without the bulk of the Dust Deputy)

 I've seen that Makita has a new vac aimed at concrete which appears to be a rebranded Nilfisk, Hilti has one, and Pulsebac is another brand that specializes in them (BTW they have a cool video with a plexi sided vac and you see the "pulsing" of the filters, pretty cool!) anyways do they all use the same technology of blowing air back through the filters? in which case should I get the CT AC for the jobs mentioned?

Thanks again and sorry for the length-my minds reeling I have to pull the trigger on something!   [unsure]


 

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #36 on: March 18, 2012, 09:36 AM »
Hello and welcome to the forum. Here are the answers to your questions.

1. Does the CT AC simply blast air back through the filter to clear it?

No. A valve opens and closes to quickly create differential pressure. There is no "blast of air" or something blowing air through the filter.

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2. What does the blast gate do then, or why would you want it other than containing dust when removing the hose?

Closing the blast gate while the AutoClean cycles will give the filter a more robust cleaning. You can actually see the sides of the tub get bow under the pressure it's so strong. Also, like you stated, it prevents spilling during transport.

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3. If the filter is kept relatively clean why does it not still use a hepa filter? I realize it is not intended for RPP etc. but why go down in filter quality?

In the first post in this thread you can see a HEPA filter and the High-Performance filter than comes standard on the CT AC side by side. The HEPA filter is very rigid and has far more pleats which would trap the fine drywall dust. The High-Performence filter is still 1 micron, versus 0.3 micron on the HEPA filter. So, we're not talking about a dramatic difference in filtration levels.

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4. If a plastic bag can be used how does it keep from being sucked up into the filter?

I'm no engineer and don't have a degree in fluid dynamics, so I can't give a technical explanation. I suspect it has something to do with a vortex that's created. The flow of air is from the inlet where the hose attaches straight up into the filter. So, the majority of the tub is unaffected by that suction. What particles do hit the filter are released during the AutoClean cycle.

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Thanks for any help, I am asking with concrete dust collection in mind.

Festool does not recommend using our CT dust extractors for hazardous materials, including concrete dust as stated in the manual. You should always use proper safety equipment including a respirator when working with such materials. There is a risk of particles not trapped by the filter being reintroduced into the environment.

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #37 on: March 18, 2012, 04:38 PM »
Ok back when I was doing drywall,   Columbia auto tools rock  [big grin]- I had the PC.  I kept it even after i sold off the rest of the professional tools.  I have alot of experience with the PC - even to the point of putting 36  grit floor pads on it to deal with painted textured ceilings that owners wanted lvl 5 flat.  So i feel the need to address several "advantages" of the planax that aren't. 
- A robust, sealed 2-speed gear box instead of their cable drive which is more likely to fail over time. The PC's cable can and occasionally does go out but it is a $27.00 replacement part that can be repaired in the field in under 15 min.   I am willing to bet the price of a Planex that its gear box will not out last the life of 2 PC's  let alone the advantage of 2 PC's if your crew has never went auto before

- Switches and dials that are large and all within reach while operating the machine, right at your fingertips.  The PC switch and speed control are also right at your finger tips

- MUCH, MUCH less expensive abrasives lowering total cost of ownership While it is true that PC paper is expensive-- i dont know of anyone who actually uses the paper- I am sure there are some weekend warriors who might  but---
This is from All Wall equipment-- Level 360 Sanding Discs 360 & PC7800 (25 Pack)Price 1 – 3   $21.99  This brings the Actual price In line with Planex or just below it. 


- A removable brush around the pad that can let you get right against adjacent surfaces.  This is not a feature [blink] this is BAD as it will get lost and then the vac efficiency will go down until you buy a replacement

- A rubber handle, theirs is plastic and gets quite slippery when you have dust on your hands  This one is sort of funny as after a couple months of production use it will look like the rubber portion of my RO 150 or it will be gouged, hardened or completely coated with drywall mud and wont make much of a difference anyway

The above comments are directed to those who looking at the Planex as a Production tool -- not as a Festoy to take out of the systainer once a year to freshen a wall before it gets repainted or as part of a contractors  "dog and pony show"

"The Dog and Pony show" element is a Huge Positive Feature for the small high end contractor who is aware that his customer is buying an "experience" as much as a finished product.  having a demonstrable edge like a dustless drywall sander that you can bring to the presentation in its special box  may Get you the Job at your bid price [wink] this alone should make the tool pay for it self in a year.

Now I really like the ability to shorten/lengthen it.  That is a Huge feature and worth a couple $100 over the life of the unit.

Over all,  I may have talked my self into taking a long hard look at it. 

I know some online auto body shop venders are letting you buy large ticket items and have the payments taken out of your card over several months-----hmmmmm if it works for SATA.
« Last Edit: March 18, 2012, 04:42 PM by Charimon »
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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #38 on: March 18, 2012, 05:26 PM »
I'm not trying to debate these points, but I've personally used both units and have extensive feedback from professional crews who have used both.

Those abrasives costs are slightly misrepresented in my opinion because it doesn't include the Radius 360 Power Pad @ $12/ea which are required in addition to the abrasives discs and have to be replaced regularly. The Planex doesn't require a backing pad like that. Plus, consider the longevity of the abrasives, which are not all created equally, especially with a brand I've never heard of.

I have read and heard from PC users that the units break down regularly because of that drive cable failing. The fact that you know about the part(s) needed to replace it tells me that you've experienced at least one failure. From what I've been told, it costs more than that but probably included labor. If you don't have the replacement part in the field and know how to replace it, you're down for however long it takes to repair it. Time is money. I don't have any scientific data to share, but I can't imagine what it would take to break the metal gears in the Planex's gearbox.

The speed dial was out of reach in my opinion and was on the underside of the handle where it was impossible to see without flipping the sander over. I found the dial to be rather small and stiff to turn. Just my perspective.

Should you lose the brush section, which will safe in your Planex Systainer [wink], it should not significantly affect dust extraction since, unlike the PC, dust is extracted from the center rather than the outside of the pad in most applications.

I don't doubt there are guys that have used the PC unit who found it to be satisfactory but they had no point of reference with which they could compare it. I think most everyone here should realize what Festool represents and the type of products we produce.

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #39 on: March 18, 2012, 05:59 PM »

Should you lose the brush section, which will safe in your Planex Systainer [wink], it should not significantly affect dust extraction since, unlike the PC, dust is extracted from the center rather than the outside of the pad in most applications.

That is something worth pointing out more directly!! as it is a feature that differentiates it self from the PC in a way that is important..

...The PC  sucks from the RIM  and can leave sanding groves about 1" from the corner unless you are very careful and you cannot use it for inside corner sanding.
I don't doubt there are guys that have used the PC unit who found it to be satisfactory but they had no point of reference with which they could compare it. I think most everyone here should realize what Festool represents and the type of products we produce.
Cables do fail  but many forget how long they have been running the tool (kinda like how a driver breaks on a roofing gun or framer)  and lets face it it is almost a 20 yr old tool that Stanley is unlikely to update unless they get competition from some sector  [big grin] 
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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #40 on: March 18, 2012, 06:30 PM »
I suspect those groves near corners have a lot to do with that doughnut shaped pad. In my experience, it causes the outside of the abrasive disc to make contact a lot more contact than the center of the disc due to cupping. Anyway, thanks for sharing your insight and keeping the conversation balanced.

Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #41 on: March 19, 2012, 01:35 AM »
Few questions:
  • What is the CFM on the CE 36 autoclean; doesn't appear to be listed anywhere? i.e. will it have the same (or better?) dust extraction  power as the standard CE 36?
  • If we also drop a HEPA filter in the CE autoclean and turn the autoclean off for woodwork, should we expect the unit to perform just as well on woodworking tools such as the 2200 router or is this unit designed in such a way as the performance would be degraded in any way?
  • If we chose to drop a HEPA filter into the CE autoclean, would we use the same HEPA filter part number that is used in the standard CE36?  Are they the filters the same size?
  • If we drop a HEPA filter into the CE 36 autoclean unit and turn off autoclean, would we still get clean air?  I understand that it isn't certified, but would it be possible to apply for and get HEPA certification down the line or will this unit just absolutely never get cert and never be RRP ready?  Is it really a bad idea, is the standard 36E that was HEPA certified going to give you air that much cleaner?
  • Can I use my multi-use bag from my standard CE36 on the CE36 autoclean for woodwork and expect the same results in performance and cleanliness inside the tub?
  • With the multi-use bag on the CE36 autoclean, will the bag continue to 'self clean' itself even with autoclean turned off?  Any change in functionality one might expect there?
  • Would the boom part number for the CE 36 fit on the CE 36 autoclean?  If not, is there a separate boom part number?
  • Would the handle part number for the CE 36 fit on the CE 36 autoclean? (I think I saw a different handle offered for this unit, still I want to see if the original handle would also fit?

Thanks in advance, about to purchase.

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« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2012, 11:08 AM »
What is the CFM on the CE 36 autoclean; doesn't appear to be listed anywhere? i.e. will it have the same (or better?) dust extraction  power as the standard CE 36?

It's the same motor in all of our dust extractors now, so 137 CFM.


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If we also drop a HEPA filter in the CE autoclean and turn the autoclean off for woodwork, should we expect the unit to perform just as well on woodworking tools such as the 2200 router or is this unit designed in such a way as the performance would be degraded in any way?

The AutoClean is essentially the same as the CT 36, except it has the high-performance filter (1 micron filtration) and the AutoClean functionality. Putting a HEPA filter in it, it would work just like a CT 36 (Non-AutoClean) model.

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If we chose to drop a HEPA filter into the CE autoclean, would we use the same HEPA filter part number that is used in the standard CE36?  Are they the filters the same size?

The CT AutoClean and CT 26/36 all share the same accessories. The HEPA filter for the CT 36 will fit in the CT AutoClean.

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If we drop a HEPA filter into the CE 36 autoclean unit and turn off autoclean, would we still get clean air?  I understand that it isn't certified, but would it be possible to apply for and get HEPA certification down the line or will this unit just absolutely never get cert and never be RRP ready?  Is it really a bad idea, is the standard 36E that was HEPA certified going to give you air that much cleaner?

I would recommend not using the AutoClean functionality with a HEPA filter. There's no reason the filter wouldn't perform to specifications, so yes "clean air". There are no intentions to ever certify the CT AutoClean for RRP. "Clean air" is a product of the filter. If you put a HEPA filter in the CT AutoClean, it would be the same as having a CT 36 essentially, but without a certificate for RRP.

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Can I use my multi-use bag from my standard CE36 on the CE36 autoclean for woodwork and expect the same results in performance and cleanliness inside the tub?

Again, all accessories are shared between the CT AutoClean and CT 36. The results would be the same.

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With the multi-use bag on the CE36 autoclean, will the bag continue to 'self clean' itself even with autoclean turned off?  Any change in functionality one might expect there?

You cannot use the AutoClean functionality with a bag installed, it won't work. A plastic liner is used in AutoClean mode. A bag can be used when AutoClean is not enabled. The long life bag does not have self-cleaning properties like the self-cleaning bag.

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Would the boom part number for the CE 36 fit on the CE 36 autoclean?  If not, is there a separate boom part number?

Yes, all accessories are shared between the CT AC and CT 26/36. Same part number.

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Would the handle part number for the CE 36 fit on the CE 36 autoclean? (I think I saw a different handle offered for this unit, still I want to see if the original handle would also fit?

Same part numbers, same accessories.

Let me know if you have more questions.

Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #43 on: March 19, 2012, 02:28 PM »
Shane -

Thank you for the prompt reply and your thorough coverage of my questions (if your superior is watching: give Shane a raise!, this fella goes ABOVE AND BEYOND to help Festool customers).

Festool really did a good job in thinking ahead and making sure this unit was backwards compatible.

I'm putting my order in today from my local dealer for the auto-clean unit and look forward to having a product that can help me with woodworking in addition to helping me sand drywall on our house remodels.

Good lookin' out!

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #44 on: March 19, 2012, 09:48 PM »
OK, I just received my new Planex and 36AC.
It mentions being able to strip wall paper and paint.  Are there special accessories for these processes or just a different abrasive?

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #45 on: March 19, 2012, 09:57 PM »
OK, I just received my new Planex and 36AC.
It mentions being able to strip wall paper and paint.  Are there special accessories for these processes or just a different abrasive?


You can use the Saphir 24 or 36 grit abrasives. Select the option for extraction on the outside of the pad for large debris.

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #46 on: March 27, 2012, 03:46 PM »
Put in my order for the CT AutoClean (without the planex I'll have to expand to that later).
My sales rep didn't seem to know.Does the extractor by itself come with a hose like the ther CT's?
If so, what is the length and diameter/connections?

These things will start shipping from Festool April 15th as far as anyone knows right?  (unless you were one of those lucky few that already have the unit)

I am new to Festool products, just geared up with several things, waiting on the CT AC before I start working, don't want to mess with anything on a shop vac.

Thanks in advance-
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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #47 on: March 27, 2012, 03:50 PM »
Christopher,

The CT AC comes with an 11.5' hose that's 36mm in diameter. All other CTs come with a 27mm hose. If you plan to use it with sanders or the Domino you've mentioned buying, for instance, you'll need a 27mm hose. These are already shipping and have been shipping to dealers for weeks now.

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« Reply #48 on: March 27, 2012, 04:25 PM »
Christopher,

The CT AC comes with an 11.5' hose that's 36mm in diameter. All other CTs come with a 27mm hose. If you plan to use it with sanders or the Domino you've mentioned buying, for instance, you'll need a 27mm hose. These are already shipping and have been shipping to dealers for weeks now.

Shane
Thanks Shane for the good news in that they are already shipping, will check with my dealer again see if there was an update on ETA.

I ordered it last week and dealer and I were under impression that it wasn't available by Festool in US till April 15th...will double check with them (it could be specific to the dealer) for an update on ETA.  A day or two earlier arrival might make the difference between getting to use it before my St. Martin trip or not (Yes, I will be thinking of my Festool on my beach trip...that is the kind of awesome impression these tools leave on a person---don't tell the wife!)

The 11' ish long 36mm hose shipping with the CT AC is definitely a benefit for me over the 27mm and in another thread I can see that I can mod that setup to work so I can easily switch between the 36 and 27...not sure if the 11 will be to long for things like hooking up kapex where I understand a shorter hose might work better...I will sort that out by trial and error and you guys have those Y connectors I can always branch a shorter line from source away from boom for that, thanks for the good news.

Is this hose with the CE AC an anti-static type with standard fittings (or is this a planex specific hose) ? i.e. is this the hose that is specific to the planex (or does the Planex also ship with its own hose specific to its functionality---I was under impression it has a different connector though for most every tool it will connect fine)?

PS. Festool is the Ferrari of tools (as many already know).  Both on product performance and service.  Shane, you as always contribute to that service performance...hands down, nobody else provides this thorough, fast response in the industry.

Kind thoughts-
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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #49 on: March 27, 2012, 04:30 PM »
The hose is somewhat specific to the Planex in that it has a flange on the connector and it's lightweight compared to the standard 36mm hose. This allows you to positively lock it onto the Planex. The only tool that accepts a 36mm hose that it won't work with that I can think of is the HL 850 planer. It will work fine with the Kapex, TS saws, and other tools.

It is antistatic.

And, I'm just doing my job, trying to help you guys out. I like that I can try to give each of you the same level of service that I wish I received from the companies I do business with. That's my goal.



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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #50 on: April 03, 2012, 03:49 PM »
Hi Shane,

In the videos posted and some pictures I see 4 green dials on the vacuum. In a few other pictures I have seen 3 dials. What is the 4th dial? The 3rd dial I'm assuming is auto clean but what is the 4th and will it be on the vacuum? I don't want to buy something and assume it has it, I have done that too many times because of specifications that were incorrectly listed or incorrect pictures posted. It only causes problems and I just want to clear that up.

Since the auto clean vacuum does not have a HEPA filter, does it exhaust more air than say the regular CT 36? I don't have experience with a CT 36, but my MIDI doesn't blow much air at all really. Im concerned about blowing dust around. I'm asking because I own the porter cable vacuum & drywall sander an the PC vacuum exhausts a lot air so it tends to blow around dust that hasn't been sucked up.

Also, will there be a CT 48 AC auto clean in the near future?

Thank you for your time.

TJ

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #51 on: April 03, 2012, 03:56 PM »
TJ, welcome to the forum.

There's an additional dial on units in Europe that's not applicable to the US version. There will just be a blank over the spot where that dial would appear on European models. So all US models have three dials.

All CT models should blow roughly the same volume of air, which should be relative to the CFM of 137. I would characterize the exhaust as not being very strong at all. I'm sure members with other CT models can offer their opinions of the exhaust.

Edit: and no current plans for any other sizes of AutoClean models.

Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #52 on: April 03, 2012, 04:37 PM »
TJ, welcome to the forum.

There's an additional dial on units in Europe that's not applicable to the US version. There will just be a blank over the spot where that dial would appear on European models. So all US models have three dials.

All CT models should blow roughly the same volume of air, which should be relative to the CFM of 137. I would characterize the exhaust as not being very strong at all. I'm sure members with other CT models can offer their opinions of the exhaust.

Edit: and no current plans for any other sizes of AutoClean models.


Excellent. Thank you for the fast reply. Maybe someone could chime in on the exhaust. Anyone have any experience with it yet?

No 4th button, no big deal. I do wish Festool provided more European products here in the US. I feel the US seems to get short changed on some products, but I may be wrong.

I tried ordering the package from a few dealers but was told it was backordered. I will try some more dealers and see if I get the same response. Thank you again.

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #53 on: April 03, 2012, 05:56 PM »
I haven't had any real problems with dust getting blown around.  This was cleaning up after sanding drywall at a friends house.  I was also using a Midi- but from the specs, it sucks roughly the same amount of air as it's larger counterparts ~137cfms.  There is some dispersal, but only when I rolled it directly through the pile of dust.  Only other way of curing this problem is to have the exhaust pointed up, which wouldn't make sence to me. 
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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #54 on: April 09, 2012, 06:58 PM »
Christopher,

The CT AC comes with an 11.5' hose that's 36mm in diameter. All other CTs come with a 27mm hose. If you plan to use it with sanders or the Domino you've mentioned buying, for instance, you'll need a 27mm hose. These are already shipping and have been shipping to dealers for weeks now.

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San Diego dealer says 36AC is on hold and back ordered with Festool. I ordered weeks ago...they say Festool doesnt have any. Is tbis possibly correct?

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« Reply #55 on: April 09, 2012, 06:59 PM »
I have some...


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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #56 on: April 09, 2012, 07:05 PM »
San Diego dealer says 36AC is on hold and back ordered with Festool. I ordered weeks ago...they say Festool doesnt have any. Is tbis possibly correct?

As of right now, yes, I believe there is a back order situation on the CT AutoClean due to higher than expected demand. I know there are multiple shipments inbound from Germany, including one that should have been here at the end of last week or beginning of this week.

Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #57 on: April 09, 2012, 07:36 PM »
Thanks Shane.

Yah apologies for the random (is it in yet!?) questions; I'm sure you have better things to do.

I'm sitting on a set of new Festools with no dust extractor to put them on because I decided to go with the AC as opposed to the non AC.

My Festools 'tell me' they are NOT going to let me connect them to an old shop vac---snobs

If you are in the same office, and stop by the shipping manager---please do drop him my name (San Diego) and have him ship ahead of all others.

Checks in the mail?!

On a serious note, I'm glad the stories are jiving now, I like my dealer, just inpatient and wanted to make sure it wasn't that they weren't on point getting orders in.

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #58 on: April 13, 2012, 07:06 PM »
Shane/Festool/Tom -

Thanks, got my 36 AC delivered today.
I'm having a blast.
(With my blast gates)

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« Reply #59 on: April 13, 2012, 07:59 PM »
Awesome. Glad you were able to find one in stock and Tom was able to help you out.

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #60 on: April 18, 2012, 03:30 AM »
OK, here's my impression of the planex after using it on a high end level 5 smooth finish job.

On the walls- Stock pad, using Brilliant 150 paper.  Vac at max along with the ac interval at max.  Motor speed was at 2 1/2- 3.  Suctioning number 3-4 and inside pad extraction.  Flew through the walls and made them slicky smooth.  Really.  Four rooms in 30 mins. 

Ceilings was a completely different story.  The wall configuration made some deep swirls and was somewhat hard to control.  So, I switched it up to this:  Used the soft pad backer with the sponge insert.  Used 180 Brilliant and left the vaccum as is.  The settings on the planex was motor 2, suctioning was 4, and inside pad extraction.  Still left some swirl marks, but was taken care of in the final touch up. 

Really worked the shoulders though.  Almost like running a bazooka for the day.  But again, flew through the ceilings, approx. 1250 sq ft in 30 mins.  Just things to watch for is when bringing the planex away from the work, make sure you still have the head on the work.  If you bring it off too soon, you'll just be flouring the room with the uncollected dust.  Noise wasn't bad at all.  Also, you have to time it where the auto clean function fires off, don't be sanding.  The suctioning stops and the head slightly lifts off, putting a cant on the pad and digging in.  As I use it more, I'll fine tune it to where I can start saving my shoulders. [tongue]
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« Reply #61 on: April 26, 2012, 09:22 PM »
So after a week or two of flipping back and forth, I decided to go with the CT 36 AC instead of the HEPA version.  I plan to use this with a combo of woodworking and some drywall, but got this b/c i was extremely interested in trying out the collector with a router table or shop cleanup and not use a bag for those activities.  I was surprised to find a self cleaning bag with the vacuum as well as the advertised AC bag liner!  I prefer the 36mm hose to the 27mm hose, and with the addition of the hose adapter from Bob Marino, it makes it a serious cost contender for someone that wants a 36mm hose but doesn't care about HEPA certification...even if you don't use the autoclean function. 

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #62 on: April 30, 2012, 09:56 AM »
this is quite exciting, as my wife and I want to remove all the popcorn off of our ceilings. There is a lot! and I've been dreading doing the water/drywall knife method that will take me all summer.

I already have a CT26, so that's 1/2 the battle. Next to convince my dear wife that this is the only solution :D bwahahahahahaha
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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #63 on: May 06, 2012, 09:43 AM »
Shane,

Has anyone tried the Planex on floors?  Just thinking that with the larger pad and the variety of grits, it might be an interesting use.

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #64 on: May 06, 2012, 10:29 AM »
Has anyone tried the Planex on floors?  Just thinking that with the larger pad and the variety of grits, it might be an interesting use.

Has anyone tried it? I'm not sure. But, that's not it's intended purpose. So I would probably recommend against using it for that.

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« Reply #65 on: May 06, 2012, 02:14 PM »
Peter, that was my first thought too with the planex, sanding a floor. I was thinking the planex would be good for light sanding between coats, or sanding a porch floor. I might have to try it out and see.

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« Reply #66 on: May 09, 2012, 12:19 AM »
Here's a technique to save your shoulders when sanding ceilings.  Instead of having the whole planex parallel to your body, try having it perpendicular to your chest.  The Planex head would be over your head, but I tell you, my shoulders could take that much more than sanding across my chest.  Sure your head is going to be on full tilt, but I could hold it all day and not tire out.  Course, when you get into corners and edges, you'll have to do the best you can, but man that saved my shoulders a ton!
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« Reply #67 on: May 26, 2012, 01:52 AM »
Hi everyone, new to this board and owner of a ct36 ac.  Just wanted some help as to using the hose that came with this vac.  In order to use the sanders, will I have to purchase a 27mm hose or is there an adapter?  If so, could you tell me what the part number is?

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« Reply #68 on: May 26, 2012, 05:59 PM »
Hey Budu,

I bought a 27mm connector hose from Bob Marino...its a 27mm AS hose (about 1.5 ft long) with a 27mm connector on each end.  Works great.

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« Reply #70 on: June 11, 2012, 11:32 PM »
Are you guys using Brilliant 150 for final sandings? I exclusively use Brilliant 220 with my RO150. Thanks Eric

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« Reply #71 on: June 12, 2012, 12:43 AM »
Are you guys using Brilliant 150 for final sandings? I exclusively use Brilliant 220 with my RO150. Thanks Eric

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« Reply #72 on: June 12, 2012, 09:01 AM »
 
Are you guys using Brilliant 150 for final sandings? I exclusively use Brilliant 220 with my RO150. Thanks Eric
Hey Eric,

I use 150 to 180 for my rough sand and 220 for my final sand on drywall. It will give you a smooth finish.

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« Reply #73 on: June 12, 2012, 12:50 PM »
Thanks John, so you always do two passes?

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« Reply #74 on: June 12, 2012, 01:17 PM »
I just did the math. 51 sheets of drywall. How many 150s and 220s would i go through? Festool Products takes 29 hours to ship stuff to me and I dont want any down time. Thanks Eric

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« Reply #75 on: June 12, 2012, 06:17 PM »
Hey Eric,

One to two of each, maybe more if the electrical boxes aren't flush. One box of each is more then enough and will last you a few jobs. Two coats of mud and then the rough sand gives me a level field to skim. It also fills in any air pockets. 220 on the skim and your left with a smooth finish  [cool]. Enjoy the lack of dust!

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #76 on: June 15, 2012, 09:23 AM »
I am wondering how does one know when to stop sanding? my purpose will be to remove the popcorn from the ceiling of our home, and if that works I will add it to the services that I provide, (crown, baseboard etc)
would it be easy to sand through the drywall paper? and how do you know that you've sanded enough, so that you don't have to get up on a ladder with a light to examine every square foot to see if all the popcorn etc is gone?
We have heard from friends that they are getting estimates anywhere from 4 to 7k to have a crew come in to remove the popcorn ceilings. This involves the water/scraper method and it's associated mess.
How big is that sanding pad? it looks like it's about 9" or so?
How do you avoid damaging adjascent walls/crown when you remove the guard? I wouldn't want to have to go back and touch up paint due to damage from the sander.
I've looked at the utube videos, they seem nice, but I would like to see a video by someone that is an end user, sort of "real life" conditions.

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« Reply #77 on: June 15, 2012, 11:23 AM »
Stop sanding when you see daylight.  [scared] I think it just takes some practice but there's a quick learning curve. Remember, we have a 30-day money back guarantee, so you can get it and try it out risk free.

Using a higher grit will lessen the likelihood of scuffing or damaging the drywall paper. You'll quickly learn how fast you need to move across the wall or ceiling surface to achieve optimal results so that you don't have to inspect every square foot.

The abrasives are 8.85", 225mm, and the pad is slightly smaller than that, 215mm.

Well, the brush/guard is there to prevent damage to adjacent surfaces but even with it removed there shouldn't be contact as the pad housing acts as an offset for the paper.

Here are some videos I found from end users, mostly in other countries, doing a quick Youtube search. I thought someone here on the forum had posted about using it for popcorn ceilings but I can't remember if there was a video. I'll have to search for the thread. Edit: OK, I found the thread and video.

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tool-reviews/planex-225-used-for-ceiling-texture-removal/













Another thread with photos of popcorn removal:


http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/planex-first-try/
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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #78 on: July 18, 2012, 12:31 AM »
So does the support strap harness come with the Planex?

Adding another $150 for the Planex hose and CT36 AC, then the extras like the caddy that holds the planex $40 dollar pad etc. Whew. Why don't they just do a complete package Planex/CT36AC and all the extra accessories ???? [crying]
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« Reply #79 on: July 18, 2012, 07:36 AM »
So does the support strap harness come with the Planex?

The harness is sold separately and comes in its own Systainer Maxi, #496911.

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« Reply #80 on: September 20, 2012, 03:17 AM »
I own the Planex and CT AutoClean and can not imagine living without either. The Planex has allowed me to take on larger drywall projects that I had been subbing out, mostly because I didn't want to do the sanding. Now I can wipe out a room in no time. After just a few jobs the tool has paid for itself and I can actually way away when finished without looking like a ghost.

Now for the question. I purchased the AutoClean to replace my older CTmini and I am pretty happy I did. The only problem I am having is switching from sanding drywall using the liner bag to using my other tools and using the self cleaning bag. When you open the top of the AutoClean the entire undercarriage is completely caked with drywall dust. I have tried many different ways to clean the inside of the vacuum but truth be told it is very difficult and time consuming. the last couple of times I just took the whole thing outside to an open area and used my compressor. I am hoping someone has a better way to clean the inside of the vacuum so that you can switch from the liner bag to the self-cleaning bag quickly.

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #81 on: September 20, 2012, 09:17 AM »
Welcome to the forum, Scott. Glad you are finding the Planex a good investment, sorry about the issues you're having with it getting caked with dust.

Could you post a photo or email it to me at sho@festoolusa.com so we can see what's going on? Granted, I've never run the Planex all day long, but in my experience there was some dust clinging to the inside of the CT, but I wouldn't call it caked at all. Drywall dust can be messy stuff though.

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« Reply #82 on: September 20, 2012, 11:53 AM »
Could you just ignore it, put the other bag in, and go?


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« Reply #83 on: November 03, 2012, 09:07 PM »
Is there a limit to the number of extensions that can be used?

I am currently looking at a job that involves removing popcorn ceiling in a whole home, many of the ceilings are high 12-15' with multiple angles. Seems like the Planex may be my solution but only if I can get to the ceiling with it.
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« Reply #84 on: November 03, 2012, 09:31 PM »
I don't see any reason you couldn't reach that ceiling. I would certainly want the harness though.


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« Reply #85 on: November 03, 2012, 10:20 PM »
Ok, so I understand it comes with one extension. With that installed will it reach an 8' ceiling?

(Then I can figure out the number of additional sections that I will need.)

Each extension is about 20" correct?
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« Reply #86 on: November 03, 2012, 10:58 PM »
I guess it depends on how tall you are but it reached mine fine and I'm slightly under 6'.


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« Reply #87 on: November 04, 2012, 09:37 AM »
Yea I'm 5'11 so that should work. I just wasn't sure, one of the photos on Festool's website shows sanding of a ceiling with two extensions on. Maybe it's a 9-10' ceiling.

So if I add 3-4 sections that should get me to about 15'.

When using the harness does it effectively lengthen or shorten the usable length over just holding the tool?
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« Reply #88 on: November 09, 2012, 10:53 AM »

Yes, it can be used for knocking down popcorn or texture on a ceiling. I would recommend 80 or 100 grit. The Planex has two dust extraction options which are selected with a switch on the head: inside the pad or outside the pad. You will want to select outside the pad for this application. Generally, you will select inside the pad for other applications, like drywall sanding. Using extraction on the outside of the pad is best suited when you're creating larger debris rather than fine dust.

That sure sounds like a job that would be better for Cristal, or atleast a paper that is heavier then Brilliant, as many of those popcorn ceilings have some form of paint on them.

Since I also sand painted walls that are to be skim coated.  Do you have any idea when the Cristal will come to North America?  As I use the Planex for general contracting, not just drywall, I find it very limited without the Cristal paper. (I didn't find out the Cristal was available until after the expiry of the 30 day period, otherwise I would have returned it).

I'm actually trying to decide if I should sell the Planex as I find it's use too limiting without a proper supply of paper.

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« Reply #89 on: November 09, 2012, 10:58 AM »
That sure sounds like a job that would be better for Cristal, or atleast a paper that is heavier then Brilliant, as many of those popcorn ceilings have some form of paint on them.

Since I also sand painted walls that are to be skim coated.  Do you have any idea when the Cristal will come to North America?  As I use the Planex for general contracting, not just drywall, I find it very limited without the Cristal paper. (I didn't find out the Cristal was available until after the expiry of the 30 day period, otherwise I would have returned it).

I'm actually trying to decide if I should sell the Planex as I find it's use too limiting without a proper supply of paper.

I've heard of no plans to introduce Cristal in NA. You do have the option of Saphir in 24 and 36 grits if you need something extremely aggressive.

Cristal would only add 40 and 60 grits between what the current Brilliant and Saphir offerings provide.
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« Reply #90 on: December 01, 2012, 11:49 PM »
I know this is for Planex but i dont want to open up another thread for my quick question. We had an addition put on our house and 3 rooms need to be drywalled. I cant justify the planex for those three rooms, I have an ETS125 and plan to pick up an RO150 to do a few other things around the house (my festool collection keeps growing exponentially  [big grin] I am also getting a long overdue CT26, Is the reason the Planex requires the CT36AC because of the amount of dust gathered in a short amount of time, or is it truely how fine the drywall dust is and it requires the Autoclean?

I ask because, if im doing 3 rooms am i going to blow threw a few filters and bags using the ets125 and RO150 with 150,180,220 grit? trying to make my decision on vacuums, I wont be doing much drywall sanding if ever aside from the random patch here and there every few years. I do audio video work and dont patch drywall so there will be no need for it in the field.

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #91 on: December 01, 2012, 11:53 PM »
For drywall patch, you'll be fine with any of our CTs.

We recommend the AutoClean with the Planex due to the sheer volume of fine dust produced. The AutoClean prevents the filter from getting clogged with that dust in such quantities in a short time.

I would suggest you periodically remove your filter and tap it to loosen any dust. It's not recommended that you use a compressor, which could compromise the HEPA rating if you blow even a small hole into the filter material.

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« Reply #92 on: December 02, 2012, 12:25 AM »
Wow! thanks for the quick reply shane! Ct26 it is :) would you recommend replacing the filter after I get done sanding the three rooms or would tapping it be ok?
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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #93 on: December 02, 2012, 12:28 AM »
I would tap it real good to clean it out and it should be fine.

Then visually inspect it.

Of course replacing it won't hurt anything, but it may not be absolutely necessary. If you replace it, consider hanging on to the original filter for any future drywall work.

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« Reply #94 on: December 02, 2012, 01:01 AM »
Sweet! thanks shane for the help and quick responses :)
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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #95 on: January 28, 2013, 01:05 AM »
There is a foreign YouTube video showing the Planex with an led light attachment that lights up the surface around it which is brilliant. I'm guessing its a home made attachment but it would be super cool if festool came out with something like that, it would make sanding even faster being able to see exactly what is happening especially when your moving as fast as you can with a power sander

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #96 on: January 31, 2013, 12:39 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHabrsZxghk&feature=youtu.be

Vid of me sanding a popcorn ceiling that had been painted once, worked pretty amazing. That was until the end separated from the extension and hit the floor smashing the guard to pieces. Well it lasted just over 24 hours.

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« Reply #97 on: January 31, 2013, 04:12 PM »
I should add that when I took it back to the dealer he said he would replace it no problem and is having one rushed here from another store.

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« Reply #98 on: January 31, 2013, 04:17 PM »
What abrasive were you using?


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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #99 on: January 31, 2013, 05:31 PM »
80 grit, I wish they had a 60 though it would be perfect for this application

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« Reply #100 on: January 31, 2013, 08:26 PM »
80 grit, I wish they had a 60 though it would be perfect for this application

I second that!  I tried using 36 on a ceiling today and there was no way to control it, just too aggressive.
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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #101 on: February 01, 2013, 07:51 PM »
Ok I just tried out the Planex for a little finish sanding with the 240 grit and it blows the porter cable away, I was a little anxious till now, after rough sanding a job with 150 it seemed a little hard to control but with the 240 its a whole different story, it moves around really nice. I used it to sand my second bathroom which is a tiny 40" wide and about 10' long which would have been near impossible with the PC cause of its size and limited flexibility of the head, the finish was really nice and i was amazed how well it sanded the angles with the front section removed with no dust escape. I cant wait to use it on the job I'm working on right now, I'll try and take a good video possibly with a review and I'm going to try it with the Joest 330 grit that I used with my PC sander, the finish I could achieve with that was unreal.

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #102 on: February 01, 2013, 07:55 PM »
I'm no paint expert like our friend Scott, but doesn't paint need a lair face with a little bite to adhere well? Seems like 330 would be too smooth.

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #103 on: February 01, 2013, 08:18 PM »
I'm no paint expert like our friend Scott, but doesn't paint need a lair face with a little bite to adhere well? Seems like 330 would be too smooth.

We refer to it as "tooth", in the context of prep and adhesion.

I do agree that the Planex is really nice in high grits, but grit stepping with it is really not necessary. I like 240 on many tasks and do not need to go higher. The key is to just sand in between every coat for smoothness.

If anyone is confused about that, let me know. We have a cool Planex project coming up.

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« Reply #104 on: February 01, 2013, 08:40 PM »
The 330 is probably overkill but its really good for getting used to a machine because you can take your time and see what its doing without worrying about over sanding, I was going to move to the 220 grit Joest paper with my PC once I finished the box I had but now its going to be festool 240 I think. The Joest and Festool sandpapers are very similar but the Joest has small perforations throughout it rather than the tool specific holes on the Festool, I cant really comment on performance until I have some time with this Festool paper but so far so good. The key is the softness of the paper, PC paper is like cardboard I tried their 220 once for about 30 seconds and it left swirls like crazy, Festool and Joest is more like fabric, the edges roll up around the sanding pad.
As far as adhesion goes thats what the drywall primer is for.

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« Reply #105 on: February 01, 2013, 09:29 PM »
80 grit, I wish they had a 60 though it would be perfect for this application

I second that!  I tried using 36 on a ceiling today and there was no way to control it, just too aggressive.

I actually gave the 36 grit a try again today. I have a textured ceiling that was painted and the 80 just wasn't cutting it [tongue]
I adjusted the speed down to about 2.5 and as long as I kept good pressure on the head it melted away the texture like butter! But if I just let up a bit on the pressure the head would start this wobble with no way to stop it but pull it from the surface completely.
After I had 95% of the texture gone I swapped back to the 80grit, turned the speed back up to 5.5 and switched to the center of pad suction to finish the clean up.

Every time I use this tool I learn something new and it impresses me even more [big grin]
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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #106 on: February 01, 2013, 10:12 PM »
We refer to it as "tooth", in the context of prep and adhesion.

Thanks, the proper oral term I was looking for was escaping me.   [embarassed]

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« Reply #107 on: February 01, 2013, 10:20 PM »
80 grit, I wish they had a 60 though it would be perfect for this application

I second that!  I tried using 36 on a ceiling today and there was no way to control it, just too aggressive.

I actually gave the 36 grit a try again today. I have a textured ceiling that was painted and the 80 just wasn't cutting it [tongue]
I adjusted the speed down to about 2.5 and as long as I kept good pressure on the head it melted away the texture like butter! But if I just let up a bit on the pressure the head would start this wobble with no way to stop it but pull it from the surface completely.
After I had 95% of the texture gone I swapped back to the 80grit, turned the speed back up to 5.5 and switched to the center of pad suction to finish the clean up.

Every time I use this tool I learn something new and it impresses me even more [big grin]

Cool! I'll give it a go tomorrow. Thanks man, this is why I love forums like this, usually someone has tried or is willing to try something that might not work

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #108 on: February 08, 2013, 08:44 PM »


I think this vid speaks for itself.





<< Edited to embed video - Shane >>
« Last Edit: February 08, 2013, 08:46 PM by Shane Holland »

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #109 on: February 08, 2013, 08:47 PM »
Thanks for another video showing the Planex in action. I saw that you've used the PC 7800. Can you offer your commentary on a comparison between that and the Planex?

Edit - Dude, you're blowing through those joints at lightspeed. I did a fair amount of drywall work when I finished my basement and it SUCKED compared to doing it with the Planex. Drywall sanding is probably at the very top of things I would pay someone else to do for me. Unless I had a Planex. [wink]
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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #110 on: February 24, 2013, 09:38 AM »
Is getting the EPA RRP certification of the CT 36 AutoClean configured with autoclean off and a HEPA filter installed planned?

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #111 on: February 24, 2013, 09:40 AM »
Is getting the EPA RRP certification of the CT 36 AutoClean configured with autoclean off and a HEPA filter installed planned?

No plans.

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« Reply #112 on: February 24, 2013, 05:54 PM »
Is getting the EPA RRP certification of the CT 36 AutoClean configured with autoclean off and a HEPA filter installed planned?

No plans.

I was actually thinking about this today.... Are there significant differences in the seals between the Ct36 and the 36ac if you put the HEPA filter and standard bag in?

I know it is not HEPA certified but would it perform similar?
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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #113 on: February 24, 2013, 06:00 PM »
I was actually thinking about this today.... Are there significant differences in the seals between the Ct36 and the 36ac if you put the HEPA filter and standard bag in?

I know it is not HEPA certified but would it perform similar?

No difference in seals. So, in theory, it would perform similarly.

In a strict interpretation of the RRP rules, it says that a vacuum cannot be retrofitted with a HEPA filter.

Beyond that, the AutoClean functionality could potentially compromise the filtration level of a HEPA filter if it were left installed (edited to clarify - left installed and the AutoClean functionality cycles), yielding the filter effective at less-than-HEPA standards.

Using the AutoClean for RRP is not advocated by Festool under any circumstances. Do so at your own risk of being cited and fined.

If you just want HEPA for non-RRP purposes, go for it. Just remember to disable the AutoClean while the HEPA filter is installed for the best results.

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« Reply #114 on: February 24, 2013, 09:10 PM »
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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #115 on: March 14, 2013, 10:20 PM »
Just picked up my Planex and CT36 AC - thanks for all the great info, made outlaying the cash an easier decision.

Tomorrow will be first run with the tool and so far only one question with AC set-up - how exactly is the disposable bag positioned at the front of the extractor?  The diagrams are a little vague and I couldn't find any pics/video online.  Don't want to end up with dust everywhere on the first go.

Can't wait to get started.

Thanks, AJ.

Just noticed some of you are running the AC without the disposal bag.  Shane, what are your thoughts on this?
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« Reply #116 on: March 16, 2013, 08:34 PM »
I tuck the bag in the grove just over the inside lip so it doesn't over hang the hose port.

As far as I can tell not using a bag does not affect the performance but does make it a mess to empty.
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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #117 on: March 27, 2013, 05:28 PM »
Shane,   Is it possible to get parts for the Planex hose?  What I'm looking for is the connector end (495013) and it's not showing in the EKAT yet.   What I want to do is replace my regular D36 connector with the flanged Planex one instead of buying another hose.   

Another thing about the Planex hose.   I believe earlier you mentioned that it was antistatic, but on the Festoolusa site it is listed under non-antistatic hoses.   Which is it, anti or non-anti?   If it is antistatic, then I would just buy that hose to replace my current hose as it seems a little more flexible than the green hoses. Is this true?   Thanks.

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« Reply #118 on: March 27, 2013, 05:43 PM »
The cuff for the CT 36 AC is not as versatile as the standard cuff. It will not fit the Compact cleaning set or a few of the other tools that require a male hose fit up.

I've had no problem with static with the 36 mm AC hose no matter what operation I've preformed with it.

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #119 on: March 27, 2013, 06:01 PM »
Thanks Tom.   I realize that the flange would be a problem for some tools, but I use my d27 for pretty much all of my tools (can you tell I don't have enough Festools yet)  except for my cleaning sets.  I have both the compact and installer sets. I'm sure I can modify the compact set to fit in the d36 connector.  As for the installer set, I removed the plastic collar on the receiving end of the handle section as I find the d36 connector has a better grip when you slip it over instead of into the handle.    So my situation right now is whether to spend $15 on a Planex connector or $155 on another hose that is pretty much the same as the hose I already have. 

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« Reply #120 on: March 27, 2013, 08:04 PM »
Shane,   Is it possible to get parts for the Planex hose?  What I'm looking for is the connector end (495013) and it's not showing in the EKAT yet.   What I want to do is replace my regular D36 connector with the flanged Planex one instead of buying another hose.   

Another thing about the Planex hose.   I believe earlier you mentioned that it was antistatic, but on the Festoolusa site it is listed under non-antistatic hoses.   Which is it, anti or non-anti?   If it is antistatic, then I would just buy that hose to replace my current hose as it seems a little more flexible than the green hoses. Is this true?   Thanks.

Ok, I'm not sure if I completely understand what you're trying to do. So hang with me here.

The CT AC comes with the Planex black hose. It's not sold separately, which is sometimes a misconception. So, you don't need to buy the flange for your current hose if you're going to get a CT AC.

If you're planning to use your non-AC CT with the Planex, yes, you should be able to buy the connector with the flange. Just give the service department a buzz and they can hook you up. Their number's below in my signature.

The Planex/CTAC hose is anti-static. I had put it in the wrong category on the website. Sorry about that. And, yes, it is made to be much more flexible AND lighter weight than the standard green hose.

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« Reply #121 on: March 27, 2013, 08:16 PM »
Thanks Tom.   I realize that the flange would be a problem for some tools, but I use my d27 for pretty much all of my tools (can you tell I don't have enough Festools yet)  except for my cleaning sets.  I have both the compact and installer sets. I'm sure I can modify the compact set to fit in the d36 connector. 


If you cut the bell off the end off the bent hand piece for the Compact set wand, the AC hose will fit. The wand handle becomes a male fit as opposed to the female fit. The other tools plug into the hose as male without modification.

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #122 on: March 27, 2013, 09:53 PM »
Thanks guys that helps my decision process.   

Shane.....sorry just to clarify,  I have the CT26 as I need it for RRP and don't plan on buying the CT AC.  I do mostly small scale remodeling, so I don't think I'm going to kill my CT26 with the Planex.   

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #123 on: May 20, 2013, 02:11 PM »
Anyone have a idea which abrasives I should use to remove allot of old cracking/flaking paint from plaster before I skim the walls?  And from what I have read in here for final skim coat I can go right to 220/240? 

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #124 on: May 20, 2013, 06:55 PM »
Believe it or not, I've only been using 150, even on the finish sanding, and I bought all the abrasives.  With practice you end up with amazing results.  The planex on setting six is just mind blowing how fast it takes the mud down.  If you use 80 grit, you may want to be careful you don't sand through the drywall paper.  100 may do.

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #125 on: May 25, 2013, 01:24 AM »
I picked up 100/150/220.  Started with 100 on the walls (scraped loose stuff first) and its just way too slow.  I'm thinking 80 wont be much better.
  Is there any source for the #495070 60 grit Cristal (The paper made for paint..) in the states?? Going all the way down to 36 sounds kinda of crazy.. and it seems like it would take more work getting the scratches out.   Btw this is true plaster no paper in the walls.
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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #126 on: May 25, 2013, 07:01 AM »
I picked up 100/150/220.  Started with 100 on the walls (scraped loose stuff first) and its just way too slow.  I'm thinking 80 wont be much better.
  Is there any source for the #495070 60 grit Cristal (The paper made for paint..) in the states?? Going all the way down to 36 sounds kinda of crazy.. and it seems like it would take more work getting the scratches out.   Btw this is true plaster no paper in the walls.

Not to my knowledge, 24/36 then jumps to 80 brilliant.

If you try the 36 turn the speed down to 2-3, I did this when removing texture and it was much more controllable. Took about 90% of the texture off then switched back to 80 to finish it. I don't have any experience doing it on plaster but you might find similar results.
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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #127 on: May 26, 2013, 06:52 PM »
I would really like to see them bring in some 60 over here it would be ideal for stubborn popcorn. 

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« Reply #128 on: May 26, 2013, 08:31 PM »
I purchase a planex with vac   nice tool works good

 can I add another length of hose to the original 11.5 standard that I receive with it

if I could add another 11.5 to it and get almost 23 feet it would be cool

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« Reply #129 on: May 26, 2013, 08:52 PM »
I purchase a planex with vac   nice tool works good

 can I add another length of hose to the original 11.5 standard that I receive with it

if I could add another 11.5 to it and get almost 23 feet it would be cool

thx Rick

Yup you just need to switch the ends on the second hose and get a coupler, I just picked up the workshop cleaning kit that came with a 36mm AS hose so I am going to grab the parts I need to do it as well. It'll be nice not having to move the vac as much.
Keep in mind the standard anti static hoses are not nearly as flexible as the Planex hose and don't seem as durable so I would get a second Planex hose if that's all you are using it for.

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #130 on: June 15, 2013, 02:05 AM »


Just wondering what setting's people use there Planex for best results?    I'm currently using 100 grit sanding discs,  the only way i seem to take any compound off the wall is by using the centre suction and having that turned up high so the sander feels as if it's sucking it's self to the wall...  when using the sander on a lower setting of say 1/2  or using the outter suction the sander  slides across the joints with out sanding any compund off...

Is the suction  used to pull the sander onto the wall to make it sand?   

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #131 on: June 15, 2013, 06:55 AM »
For sanding new joint compound I have the speed between 5-6 using 150 or 220, this is usually for lightweight compound. If I have to do a sand on heavyweight I drop to 80.

The suction is to help take the weight of the sander when sanding overhead. When sanding a ceiling I use the center suction and adjust the suction until it starts to suck to the ceiling but not so much that it is hard to move. Walls I turn it down further to make it easier to slide around. The outer suction setting I only use when removing texture.

I would say if you are having trouble with it not removing material fast enough try dropping to a lower grit.
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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #132 on: June 15, 2013, 07:54 AM »
180 grit for compound, speed 4-5, vac setting 3 walls 4-5 ceiling.

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #133 on: June 15, 2013, 08:03 AM »
It was suggested to me that  my work is to neat and doesn't need sanding hence why it's removing nothing...  Can't see that beeing the case.  my mate uses a Flex sander and 100 grit with outer suction and his works like an angle grinder and removes the compound like a hot knife threw butter.   i'm having to go over and over the same area 7 or 8 times to see any differance..  setting the vac setting higgher makes the planex motor dip like it's struggling, maybe it's the norm?  i cant say as i have never used a sander...

I was thinking it's because the brushes are new and the sanding disk doesn't sit flush to the wall, when trying a thicker sanding pad the sander vibrates over the wall and jumps..  i think 80 grit will be way to severe as for 100 grit i cant even get that to touch the joint unless the suction is pulling the sander hard onto the service?  is the planex ment to work in that fashion?

I am concerned with setting the vac setting to high as i am on my 3rd sander, the first 2 didn#t even last 1 house beofre they burnt out,  my personal opinion is that  the suction is to high and the motor can't handle it but that's the only way the sander seems to take the compound off..

isnt the van just an added gimick? the sander should sand the compund even with no suction surly?

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« Reply #134 on: June 15, 2013, 10:47 AM »
I have good luck using one of the soft interface pads on ceilings, seems to make better contact.
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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #135 on: June 19, 2013, 07:47 AM »
So what grit paper would you use to sand jointing finished by a 12" box and corner box?   Do you need to apply much pressure to the sander?   I notice the sanding disk sits 2 or 3mm lower that the brush skirt...  I have tried a qtec and flex to compare the sanding removal rate and they made the planex look like a snail...   If it is down to my self or the way I joint I need to acquire the correct set ok skills needed..

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« Reply #136 on: June 24, 2013, 09:02 PM »
Grit all depends on how hard your mud is which varies by region. I use the 240 and that's plenty but we have really soft mud here in Canada. The pressure is controlled by the vac, when its dialed in you can sand with one hand, you don't push at all just steer.

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« Reply #137 on: July 01, 2013, 07:12 PM »
Recently got a planex w/ 36AC and it's kicking my butt, must be doing something wrong and need advice. I'm sanding vaulted ceilings, not too steep going up to about 11 feet. I'm using two extensions plus the harness. 150 grit, sander speed 2, CT suction set to medium, planex suction set to 2-4, head set to center suction. When I start sanding it launches to the left and its very hard to move to the right. With it high up I have reduced leverage which doesnt help but the vids make it look almost effortless, certainly not my situation. Anyway I'm open to any advice on how to tame this beast, me and my back are very appreciative.
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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #138 on: July 01, 2013, 08:29 PM »
Recently got a planex w/ 36AC and it's kicking my butt, must be doing something wrong and need advice. I'm sanding vaulted ceilings, not too steep going up to about 11 feet. I'm using two extensions plus the harness. 150 grit, sander speed 2, CT suction set to medium, planex suction set to 2-4, head set to center suction. When I start sanding it launches to the left and its very hard to move to the right. With it high up I have reduced leverage which doesnt help but the vids make it look almost effortless, certainly not my situation. Anyway I'm open to any advice on how to tame this beast, me and my back are very appreciative.

Paul, may I suggest that you start out on a lower ceiling or surface until you get the hang of it rather than giving yourself a workout? I would recommend that you always leave the CT's suction on max. Use the handle control on the Planex to adjust suction. I think you may have the Planex speed too low, try speeding it up to overcome the friction of the abrasive. Try keeping it above 4-5 most of the time. I'd only use 2 when you're using a high grit, like 200+.
 
Also, make sure you have the harass set up in the configuration shown in this photo with the Planex turned in an inverted orientation.


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« Reply #139 on: July 01, 2013, 08:49 PM »
Thanks Shane, I'll make those setting changes and try again. As for the harness, working on vaulted ceilings makes it tricky, wasn't sure which way to orient everything, sloping up towards me or away, or side to side, trying to not go beyond the heads articulation and also be efficient on my harness adjustments as I change elevations. As for learning on a lower ceiling, this is what I have to work on now so its into the deep end for me whether I like it or not.
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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #140 on: July 01, 2013, 08:53 PM »
Thanks Shane, I'll make those setting changes and try again. As for the harness, working on vaulted ceilings makes it tricky, wasn't sure which way to orient everything, sloping up towards me or away, or side to side, trying to not go beyond the heads articulation and also be efficient on my harness adjustments as I change elevations. As for learning on a lower ceiling, this is what I have to work on now so its into the deep end for me whether I like it or not.

I've not personally used it on a vaulted ceiling, but I think I would orient the sander so that the peak would be facing the peak of the roof, working left to right. That way you can hold the sander head back against the surface and keep it flat. Then again, I don't know the pitch so it's hard to say how it will work with the articulation.

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« Reply #141 on: July 01, 2013, 09:05 PM »
Thanks Shane, I'll make those setting changes and try again. As for the harness, working on vaulted ceilings makes it tricky, wasn't sure which way to orient everything, sloping up towards me or away, or side to side, trying to not go beyond the heads articulation and also be efficient on my harness adjustments as I change elevations. As for learning on a lower ceiling, this is what I have to work on now so its into the deep end for me whether I like it or not.

I've not personally used it on a vaulted ceiling, but I think I would orient the sander so that the peak would be facing the peak of the roof, working left to right. That way you can hold the sander head back against the surface and keep it flat. Then again, I don't know the pitch so it's hard to say how it will work with the articulation.

Yea, that's what I'm trying to do with the vault rising away from me, the vault isn't too steep changing about 3'  in a distance of 12' coming to a peak and descending to the opposite side of the room. I really need to have good steering control along that peak as well as circling all the retrofit can lights.
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« Reply #142 on: July 01, 2013, 10:10 PM »
Yeah a vault for your first go with the Planex would be tricky but here are some pointers.

I'm not sure what your sanding but I'm assuming just regular drywall joints

First get some 220 or 240 grit that 150 will be quick to burn the paper and will grab a lot.
Second I'd say ditch the harness it makes it hard to move around, I only use mine for taking down texture where I'm moving slowly. I was sanding a 15' vault the other day and was able to sand to 11' with only one extension (i dont have the second extension but I am 6'2 so that helps)
Third on a ceiling set everything to max, you need the suction to hold the Planex up and the high speed of the head will let it move around easier. You should be able to just walk along letting it do its thing.
I sand counter clockwise, so right to left across the top of the joint, then back across the bottom and the back again down the middle.

Also when doing a ceiling I turn the autoclean frequency down because I'm relying on the suction to hold it up and when the AC kicks in the head will lose contact, I just stop when I need to and hit the switch to start the AC manually.

Here is a pic of the house i just sanded last week with a 15' vault, I'm sure if I had a second extension I could have sanded pretty much the whole thing aside from the very peak.

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #143 on: July 01, 2013, 10:58 PM »
I would agree with ditching the harness on the vaulted ceiling...too finicky getting the elevation set with it.

I also have found that for higher ceilings instead of using the extra extension it is easier to use some scaffolding to stand on. The extra leverage needed to move it around with two extensions is a bit much sometimes.
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« Reply #144 on: July 02, 2013, 12:16 AM »
Yeah a vault for your first go with the Planex would be tricky but here are some pointers.

I'm not sure what your sanding but I'm assuming just regular drywall joints

First get some 220 or 240 grit that 150 will be quick to burn the paper and will grab a lot.
Second I'd say ditch the harness it makes it hard to move around, I only use mine for taking down texture where I'm moving slowly. I was sanding a 15' vault the other day and was able to sand to 11' with only one extension (i dont have the second extension but I am 6'2 so that helps)
Third on a ceiling set everything to max, you need the suction to hold the Planex up and the high speed of the head will let it move around easier. You should be able to just walk along letting it do its thing.
I sand counter clockwise, so right to left across the top of the joint, then back across the bottom and the back again down the middle.

Also when doing a ceiling I turn the autoclean frequency down because I'm relying on the suction to hold it up and when the AC kicks in the head will lose contact, I just stop when I need to and hit the switch to start the AC manually.

Here is a pic of the house i just sanded last week with a 15' vault, I'm sure if I had a second extension I could have sanded pretty much the whole thing aside from the very peak.


Sorry, should have mentioned I'm sanding drywall clean of the acoustic residue which has already been scraped off, in prep for skim coating then sanded smooth. It's a workflow I've used before with excellent results but previously used a random orbital hand sander hooked up to a dust deputy. The results are excellent as is the dust collection but my shoulders and elbows were eager for a less physically taxing solution hence the planex with harness.

Anyway, I did some more testing with the Planex tonight and tried a bunch of setting combinations and found my best control was when I reduced the vacuum a bunch, the suction pressure causes the abrasive to bite harder and scoot the planex. Faster speed helped but that was getting too aggressive even with 240 when moving slower, switching to perimiter vac also helped but of course you loose the weight holding assist. After using the harness its pretty clear it is a bust for this type of work, especially since adjusting the pole is best done on the ground.

I also skim coat walls to fill in texture and sand them to make them smooth, and I tried that to see how smooth the Planex will do. Unfortunately the swirl marks were overabundant. Adding an interface pad helped but then the dust collection seriously dropped in effeciency even with pumping up the vacuum setting. Still theres a lot of swirl marks and I'm pretty sure some will print to my final coat of spray.

Again looking for suggestions, this time to make a super smooth, swirl free surface, while also preserving the dust collection. If only the Planex had a random orbital setting, problem solved (TBH I didn't realize beforehand that the Planex wasn't random orbital). Thanks everyone for all the suggestions thus far, hopefully I'll get to where I need things to be, that being precise head control, smooth finish with no swirl marks and good dust control.

Also curious how you all start the unit when working a ceiling. I got some gouges applying the unit to the ceiling after starting, seems safer to start after pressing it flush to the ceiling.
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« Reply #145 on: July 02, 2013, 05:56 AM »
Let me just confirm your experience....you are getting swirl marks on the wall using 240 with or without the interface pad?

How fast are you moving across the surface? Speed and vac setting?

On walls I move it fairly fast across on a lower vac setting and high speed.
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« Reply #146 on: July 02, 2013, 08:48 AM »
Let me just confirm your experience....you are getting swirl marks on the wall using 240 with or without the interface pad?

How fast are you moving across the surface? Speed and vac setting?

On walls I move it fairly fast across on a lower vac setting and high speed.

Yes, with the interface pad, though not as bad as without. The problem areas are especially where I change the direction of travel or slowing the movement like when near an electrical outlet or AC register. Is the dust collection supposed to be worse with the interface pad?
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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #147 on: July 02, 2013, 10:05 AM »
You need this set to use the interface pads

http://festoolcanada.com/power-tool-accessories/sanders/pads/planex-pad-set-496106

I think festool needs to clarify that fact. Really it should be the stock pad in my opinion. It has a lower profile to accommodate the height of the interface pad.

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« Reply #148 on: July 02, 2013, 10:16 AM »
So I called Festool to discuss this more, as for the dust issue with the interface pad, turns out I have the wrong pads. I was told I need to buy the set, I did buy the set, the Interface Pad Set for Planex LHS 225 Drywall Sander, 2-Pack - 496140 - "The foam interface pad allows the Planex's sanding pad to conform to irregular shapes, like rounded corners." That seems like the logical choice per the description but apparently I needed to buy the PLANEX Pad Set - 496106 - "Replacement sanding pad as well as a special soft sanding pad set with two interface pads, perfect for more delicate curves and contours." Poor product descriptions on the website have been noted before, now it's bitten me. Would help to say in the description of 496140 that 496106 is required. The guy from Festool said using the right interface pad will likely reduce the swirl marks as well. I'm skeptical, I understand reducing the dust but how would it change the swirl marks? Extremely frustrated though with doing more waiting when I need to be working, with cabinets on their way I need to get busy my old school way, planex to be returned unfortunately.

You need this set to use the interface pads

http://festoolcanada.com/power-tool-accessories/sanders/pads/planex-pad-set-496106

I think festool needs to clarify that fact. Really it should be the stock pad in my opinion. It has a lower profile to accommodate the height of the interface pad.

Yup, was posting the same when you did. The website needs changing.
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« Reply #149 on: July 02, 2013, 08:01 PM »
The Planex does take some practice but once you have it down the results are amazing. I just sanded out a high end house house today and had very few swirl marks. I go over every inch of the house with my syslight and a sponge after and only found the occasional swirl and I use ultralight mud witch scratches if you look at it wrong. The key is speed, I ran the Planex on 5-6 and was really moving. I am even getting the hang of sanding the angles with it, which has me pumped.

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« Reply #150 on: October 29, 2013, 08:42 PM »
Hey there guys,

I just picked up the Planex and CT36 AC. I'm struggling... Any help or pointers would be appreciated!

I'm redoing my garage (walls and medium/light textured ceiling.):

-I have 180 grit and 220 grit and have had more control with the 220.
-I've tried inside and outside suction and every time I use the outside it suddenly sucks hard right down to the drywall even with lower suction. Also there is now "help" with the weight of the tool as some have mentioned.
-I had pretty good results doing the walls with the Planex set to anywhere from 4-6 speed and 2 or higher vac (on the wand, the CT I have on max, correct?)
-When doing the ceilings I can't seem to get over the head not wanting to tilt. I'm either digging the toe (farthest part of the tool) or have the heel floating off the wall.  I seem to have to push up hard to try and press the entire pad against the ceiling which is exhausting and causes the tool to become difficult to handle.

I read this whole thread, watched all the videos, and felt reasonably confident. But after using it I feel humbled, and tired ;) When I have the head of the planex on the ceiling directly in front of my body like Saskatape in his vid I have to push quite hard to get it to seat.

Thanks for any help guys!

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #151 on: October 29, 2013, 09:04 PM »
Here's my feedback, Dogwood...

- Leave the motor speed set to 6. Using a slower speed may actually make it more difficult to use because the pad has trouble overcoming the friction of the abrasive. Use the highest grit you have until you get the hang of it.
- Suction should be 100% on the CT AC.
- Use the extraction setting for the inside of the pad. The only time to use outside the pad is if you are sanding something that will produce debris too large for the holes in the pad, like a popcorn ceiling.
- I have found that between 3-4 is pretty optimal in my use of the Planex for controlling the suction on the handle. This is a good balance of holding the pad to the wall without so much suction that it doesn't want to glide across the surface.
- Get the hang of it on walls before trying to work overhead.
- When possible, place the pad on the surface and then start the motor. That will lessen the likelihood of gouging by mistakenly setting the pad down crooked. With practice, you can get the hang of it and keep the motor running while applying the pad to the wall.
- If working overhead, it's best to use the harness because it helps support the weight of the machine as well as keep the pad flat on the surface.

See if any of that helps. I'm sure other Planex users will have some feedback as well.

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« Reply #152 on: October 29, 2013, 09:11 PM »
I have found using one of the soft interface pads when sanding the ceiling helps greatly with reducing the gouging.

Also if I am sanding the ceiling without the harness I hold the tool more or less across my body. It seems to give me more control then holding it straight out which is what I would do while using the harness.
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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #153 on: October 29, 2013, 09:40 PM »
What height ceilings?

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« Reply #154 on: October 29, 2013, 10:18 PM »
Thanks a lot for the pointers.

The ceilings are just over eight feet. There is a small stem wall that adds 6-12". I didn't get the harness and extension as I thought it was for 10' or more. Plus the added expense. I also didn't get the interface pad since the ceiling texture is not too large. Do you guys think that to do 8' walls and ceilings with minimal texture I should be buying all these? Do you use the additional extension for 8' ceilings? Man, this is a big layout for doing something I've always disliked... [blink]

Also, what do you guys have the AC set at?

Once again thanks!


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« Reply #155 on: October 29, 2013, 11:43 PM »
Did you see this vid of mine?


This was a lightly textured 8' ceiling that was not painted only primed before it was textured. I used 220 grit brilliant and had the planex set to perimeter extraction to take off the bulk of the texture with the harness on then set it to centre extraction without the harness to get it nice and smooth. I had all the settings on max including the AC. Normally I would use a courser paper and it would go a lot faster but this ceiling was in really good shape and I didn't want to burn through the primer so it was pretty much ready to paint after I was done, just needed a few touch ups.
I wouldn't buy the harness for just one job but it is a workout as when you're taking down texture you don't get the benefit of the suction to hold some of the weight cause the surface is to rough and the planex collects more dust and I don't use the interface pads when I'm taking down texture either.

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« Reply #156 on: October 30, 2013, 12:30 PM »
Well thanks everyone for the pointers! I was wondering when you guys do use the interface pad?

Saskatape- I watched that vid. I'll try to replicate the same thing hopefully today. Great video thanks.

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« Reply #157 on: October 30, 2013, 12:34 PM »
The interface pad is basically a foam backing that allows the abrasive to conform to the surface easier. It's far less rigid than the pad itself. You would use it when you want a super-smooth finish or when working on irregular shapes. I've not tried it personally, but I do see where it would help prevent accidental gouging.

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« Reply #158 on: November 06, 2013, 10:52 AM »
Well I tried a few days ago using the planex for a quick touch up before re coating and it seemed to go well. But then last night I went to use it and had major problems. I realized I had the suction set to outside of pad and when I switched to inside it was even worse [blink]

Basically the ct is at max, suction set to inside, 220 grit, and I played around with all the speed and extraction settings on the handle. I can see what Shane is saying about the high speed setting overcoming the friction and making it easier the trouble it there was dust everywhere! Not just a bit, but clouds of it puffing out the perimeter of the head. I could lower the speed but it was harder to control but dust extraction was better. If I put the extraction above maybe 2.5 the head would suck so hard against the wall I could barely move it unless I was at a really high speed...

Essentially fast spews dust, higher dust extraction sucks it too hard to the wall.

What am I doing wrong here guys?! Saskatape mentioned compound being really soft, I a just using the ready mix compound that comes in a bucket from the big box stores. Could that be a factor?

Thanks again I appreciate it!

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« Reply #159 on: November 06, 2013, 11:14 AM »
May I suggest that you call and talk to one of our application specialists? They may be able to better assist you by phone. 888-337-8600

I'm surprised that 2.5 causes it to stick to the wall. Like I said, in my experience 3-4 is the sweet spot.

Is the mud fairly smooth to begin with or are there a lot of ridges and peaks? That could possible cause the dust to kick out like you're describing I guess. Big box mud shouldn't be an issue.

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« Reply #160 on: November 06, 2013, 08:29 PM »
I am kind of stumped on this one. Is this new drywall? what mud are you using?  Some mud like the synko redi filler is much harder than others. If you send me some pics of what you're sanding I might be able to help you out a little more. Ill PM you my email.
Power sanding isn't something you're going to learn overnight, I tape for a living and have been using a planex for almost a year now and had a porter cable for about a year before that and I still have issues sometimes. That said I am super picky about my finish and go over every inch of my walls with my sys lights to find the imperfections.

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« Reply #161 on: January 28, 2014, 11:54 AM »
Here is a very cool video I shot of the inside of the CT36 AutoClean in action.
Such an awesome machine.

« Last Edit: January 28, 2014, 12:05 PM by Shane Holland »

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« Reply #162 on: January 31, 2014, 06:37 PM »
hi guys,

recently bought myself a planex and ctm 36 combo,although today was the first time I used both together,previously used the planex with a sparky vac with no issues.
when using the ctm vac everything works fine until I turn the dial on the sander(for the vac) past 3 the vac starts beeping.this only happens when extraction is set to middle,when set to outside can turn vac up to 6 with no alarm.

any ideas what may be causing this?



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« Reply #163 on: January 31, 2014, 06:57 PM »
Jim,

Welcome to the forum. I'm not where I can check the manual easily at the moment, but I believe the alarm is telling you clean the small filter on the motor.

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« Reply #164 on: January 31, 2014, 07:21 PM »
hi shane and thanks for the welcome

will give that a try,just seems strange that up to setting 3 everything is fine as soon as I turned the dial past 3 for vac the acoustic alarm sounds.

must add though compared to the flex sander I had been using  the planex is on another level,only using half the amount of sanding discs which alone

is a bonus

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« Reply #165 on: January 31, 2014, 11:21 PM »
Jim, so I was just able to have a look at the manual. It does not state anything about an alarm or beeping sound. The filter needing cleaning is indicated by a flashing red light.

If cleaning the filter does not help, please contact your local Festool service department for assistance or post back and I'll check with our service team to see if I can find what the sound means.

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« Reply #166 on: February 01, 2014, 12:18 AM »
What speed are you running the planex on? If the speed is to low and suction to high the motor can shut itself off and sound the alarm because it can't put out the torque so it protects itself. Just run the speed a little higher and you will be fine.

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« Reply #167 on: February 01, 2014, 05:30 AM »
Jim, so I was just able to have a look at the manual. It does not state anything about an alarm or beeping sound. The filter needing cleaning is indicated by a flashing red light.

If cleaning the filter does not help, please contact your local Festool service department for assistance or post back and I'll check with our service team to see if I can find what the sound means.

Shane

The alarm/beeping is from the ctm.the manual gives several reasons for this but don't think any apply to my
problem. I'll clean filters etc and give it another go with my next house,if still same I'll return to dealer.

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« Reply #168 on: February 01, 2014, 05:33 AM »
What speed are you running the planex on? If the speed is to low and suction to high the motor can shut itself off and sound the alarm because it can't put out the torque so it protects itself. Just run the speed a little higher and you will be fine.

Hi,

Been running the planex on 5/6 as our joint cement/mud is pretty hard

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #169 on: February 01, 2014, 08:44 AM »
Ok I think I might have your problem kind of figured out. You said it'd the CT "M" that you have we only get the "E" over here, I believe the M has an sensor that is supposed to shut down the vac when it's full by sensing a reduced air flow. So maybe when your setting the Planex to centre suction there isn't enough flow as it's sucking to the wall and creating a vacume. Which shouldn't happen as that's the way it's designed to work. Your not using a bag other than the plastic liner in the vac are you? Is the autoclean working? You should hear it popping from time to time. The only time I've ever noticed a significant loss in suction with my vac is when it's right full, or when I've been taking down a lot of popcorn texture that the vac has a hard time clearing out as the larger chunks wedge into the pleats.
This is my best guess as to what's happening. I hope it helps.

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #170 on: February 01, 2014, 06:50 PM »
Ok I think I might have your problem kind of figured out. You said it'd the CT "M" that you have we only get the "E" over here, I believe the M has an sensor that is supposed to shut down the vac when it's full by sensing a reduced air flow. So maybe when your setting the Planex to centre suction there isn't enough flow as it's sucking to the wall and creating a vacume. Which shouldn't happen as that's the way it's designed to work. Your not using a bag other than the plastic liner in the vac are you? Is the autoclean working? You should hear it popping from time to time. The only time I've ever noticed a significant loss in suction with my vac is when it's right full, or when I've been taking down a lot of popcorn texture that the vac has a hard time clearing out as the larger chunks wedge into the pleats.
This is my best guess as to what's happening. I hope it helps.


Thanks for the reply
Didn't realise the ctm was Euro only,that's right it has a volumetric flow sensor.yea using the plastic liner and had auto clean set to full,all working ok(loud thud,temporary loss of suction and back to full suction).
I took filter out of vaccum tonight and there was quite a bit of dust jammed in the pleats so gave it a good clean and hopefully that may have been the problem. not sure why the auto clean didn't bang it out though .


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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #171 on: February 02, 2014, 10:18 AM »
I just bought the Planex/36-ac combo and plan to use the 36 with other tools, as well. I'm a little confused on the best setup for different applications. For example, when sanding wood with a random orbit sander, would I still use the HP filter and plastic bag with the auto clean on? What about when cutting plywood with my TS 55? Should I use the self cleaning bag and do I need a HEPA filter or will the HP filter work fine? Thanks, Welton

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« Reply #172 on: February 02, 2014, 10:43 AM »
Welton, you can use the HP filter with any application. I would recommend the bag in place of the liner for tasks other than drywall. You will need a 27mm hose for the sanders.

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« Reply #173 on: February 02, 2014, 10:48 AM »
Welton, you can use the HP filter with any application. I would recommend the bag in place of the liner for tasks other than drywall. You will need a 27mm hose for the sanders.

Thanks, I have a Bosch hose that fits my sanders.

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« Reply #174 on: February 19, 2014, 09:59 PM »
I just received a Planex and the matching dust extractor hose 496972 and the hose has the same coupling on each end... the DE coupling. So no locking tab. I can't imagine this is correct but I wanted to check before I contact the seller.

Thanks!

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #175 on: February 19, 2014, 10:07 PM »
I just received a Planex and the matching dust extractor hose 496972 and the hose has the same coupling on each end... the DE coupling. So no locking tab. I can't imagine this is correct but I wanted to check before I contact the seller.

It should look like this... It's a 36mm connector with a flange on the tool end.


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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #176 on: February 19, 2014, 10:53 PM »
Thanks Shane!

Mine looks like this so I guess I'll be sending it back:

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #177 on: February 19, 2014, 11:10 PM »
Well, that's not right.  [blink] Sent you an email to offer to send a tool end connector to save you from having to exchange.

Shane

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #178 on: February 21, 2014, 09:15 AM »
Just got new LHS 225 accessory  haven't used yet. Bought  the
Planex auto clean works good for tex removal but was scratching
Sand finish with 220 on final. Do you know about this accs.
They didn't tell us about this at the demo I went to an purchased
This it had just came out.
The part is 495168 496106 and 496140 (2) pieces.
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« Reply #179 on: February 21, 2014, 09:22 PM »
I think this is what you need. To use the interface pads, you have to switch out the stock backing pad for the soft backing pad. The soft backing pad is thinner , to allow for the thickness of the interface pad.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0058HUABO

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« Reply #180 on: February 24, 2014, 06:56 PM »
Hi guys! This will be my first post ^^

I can't wrap my head around these bags. Exactly what would be the bad thing of using the auto clean function in conjunction with a bag? If, say, you forgot to turn the AC off.

Also. My understanding is the CTL and CTM versions uses the same bags and filters. And even the CTM AC with lining and high performance filter is certified for 0,1 microns? Is this correct?
What would then be the benefit of using a hepa filter with the CTL AC (auto clean turned off) other than the certification?

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #181 on: February 24, 2014, 07:01 PM »
I can't wrap my head around these bags. Exactly what would be the bad thing of using the auto clean function in conjunction with a bag? If, say, you forgot to turn the AC off.

Also. My understanding is the CTL and CTM versions uses the same bags and filters. And even the CTM AC with lining and high performance filter is certified for 0,1 microns? Is this correct?
What would then be the benefit of using a hepa filter with the CTL AC (auto clean turned off) other than the certification?

Magnus, welcome to the forum.

There's no harm in using a bag with the AutoClean. In fact, the CT AutoClean comes with both a liner and bag in the U.S./Canada. However, you should not use the bag when sanding plaster/drywall compound. The liner should be used in those applications. The fine dust from plaster/drywall can clog the pores in the bag, reducing or eliminating suction.

Yes, the high performance filter is 0.1 microns. Other than certification, which is required by law for some applications, there is no major noticeable difference.

Shane

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #182 on: February 24, 2014, 07:02 PM »
I can't add any info that Shane didn't, did I can ditto his welcome!  Glad to see you here!


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« Reply #183 on: February 24, 2014, 07:33 PM »
Magnus, welcome to the forum.

There's no harm in using a bag with the AutoClean. In fact, the CT AutoClean comes with both a liner and bag in the U.S./Canada. However, you should not use the bag when sanding plaster/drywall compound. The liner should be used in those applications. The fine dust from plaster/drywall can clog the pores in the bag, reducing or eliminating suction.

Yes, the high performance filter is 0.1 microns. Other than certification, which is required by law for some applications, there is no major noticeable difference.

Shane
Thank you very much! And thanks for the quick aswell as great answer.

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #184 on: December 14, 2014, 02:06 AM »
Hi, I need to read this thread, but I am considering buying this system.  I have seen in action years ago, I've tried it.  I didn't like it because I felt like an apprentice all over again, but other than that it was a complete thumbs up in my books.  I've recently taken a job in a different area of my industry and this honestly would make the job bearable.  Some places you just have to be clean.  There's ways to do that, but doing it everyday this tool would be worth it.

Does anyone know a good place to purchase this?  Is there certain times to buy it?  Sales?  Promotions?

I am in Vancouver, BC, Canada

Thanks.

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #185 on: October 17, 2016, 04:26 AM »
Hi,

I have a Festool CLEANTEC CTL 26 E. Is this possible to use the PLANEX drywall sander with this extractor?

Any help in this matter greatly appreciated.
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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #186 on: October 17, 2016, 01:08 PM »
Hi,

I have a Festool CLEANTEC CTL 26 E. Is this possible to use the PLANEX drywall sander with this extractor?

Any help in this matter greatly appreciated.
. sure. Just remember that if you're missing the Auto-Clean feature that those special vacs have, you'll have to clean your vac filters often if you sand with much drywall dust work to prevent  both damage to the vacuum and restricted suction performance.
Not as many Sanders as PA Floor guy.....

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Re: Consolidated Q&A for Planex and CT AutoClean
« Reply #187 on: January 21, 2017, 02:51 PM »
I have a question for Planex fans. What would be a good price for a 1 year old planex with extension, harness, all pads, 2 boxes granat paper. In  very good condition. Any thoughts are appreciated.
Kapex, CT 26e, Installers clean up kit, RO 125, MFK 700, Domino 500, Carvex 420 with Kit, TS 75