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Ok, so there are a lot of questions about the Planex and AutoClean. Rather than have 4 or more threads going with questions scattered everywhere, this will make it easier for me to find the questions and for you to find the answers. If you have additional questions, please post them here. Festool Planex Drywall Sander, 571579, $1000 USD, $1155 CAN Festool CT 36 AutoClean (AC) Dust Extractor, 584014, $750 USD, $866 CAN PLANEX QUESTIONSWhat are the advantages of the Planex over the Porter Cable drywall sander?Here are some of them, there may be others. - Variable suction, controlled on the handle, allows the Planex to support itself using the suction from the vac reducing fatigue - Modular design so it can be short for hallways, medium for normal use, long for high ceilings - A robust, sealed 2-speed gear box instead of their cable drive which is more likely to fail over time - A locking mechanism that keeps the hose from falling off- Sealed switches and dials that can can't be infiltrated by dust, resulting in failure - Switches and dials that are large and all within reach while operating the machine, right at your fingertips - MUCH, MUCH less expensive abrasives lowering total cost of ownership - A three year warranty versus their one year - A removable brush around the pad that can let you get right against adjacent surfaces - A rubber handle, theirs is plastic and gets quite slippery when you have dust on your hands - And... even better dust extraction Is there a package deal for the CT AutoClean?Participating dealers can offer a CT AC package deals with discount savings on CT AC when purchased with any tool, including the Planex. See dealer for details. When will the Planex be available?We are accepting orders from dealers now with an official introduction date of March 1st for the Planex and CT AC. Check with your preferred dealer for availability. I would encourage you to let your dealer know that you want one in advance to ensure they order enough. Does the variable suction dial on the Planex require the CT AC to function?The vacuum control does not require the CT AutoClean, but other models of CT Dust Extractors cannot keep up with the quantities of dust produced by the PLANEX. Hence, the need for an automatic filter cleaning mechanism (AutoClean). The control on the Planex basically restricts air flow from the CT AC as needed. At the right setting, the PLANEX will virtually hold itself to the wall or ceiling, supporting its own weight. CT AUTOCLEAN QUESTIONSCan you use the standard (non-AutoClean) CTs with the Planex?Yes, of course it's possible. The Planex needs a 36mm hose which is not included with the standard CT models. Also, we have found drywall dust to be (apparently) smaller than 5 microns allowing some dust to pass through the filter bag and into the "tub" and to the main filter. What this means is that you may not get the full bag capacity because of a reduction in suction. Also, your HEPA filter will likely get clogged with fine dust over time depending on the quantity of dust produced. The AutoClean (High Performance HF-CT 496172) filter will fit into a standard CT but without the automated cleaning functionality, I guess you would need to periodically stop, pull the filter, clean it through agitation and put it back in. A standard 36mm hose will not have the ability to use the locking mechanism that keeps the hose from wiggling loose. You can buy the AutoClean hose separately, which is lighter and more flexible than the standard 36mm hose (496972). Can I use the CT AutoClean for purposes other than with the Planex?Yes, of course you can. It's a dust extractor. There is a dial on the front of the unit that control the frequency of AutoCleaning and has a setting for no AutoClean. So, it would function just like a regular CT. The standard filter is not HEPA and I currently don't have information on what level of filtration it does provide. You could install a HEPA filter into the unit, but it has not been tested for and should not be used for RRP. You can use filter bags in the CT AC. What happens to the dust in the CT AutoClean?The CT AutoClean is designed to be used with a plastic liner. It drapes over the bucket/tub and be easily disposed of. Again, the AutoClean can use standard filter bags but it's not recommended for drywall applications. Will the CT AutoClean hose work with all tools?The CT AutoClean comes with a 36mm black, very flexible, lightweight hose with a flange used to lock it onto the Planex. It will not work with any tool requiring a 27mm hose, such as sanders. It will work on all tools that can use a 36mm hose, with the exception of the HL 850 which requires the hose to go on the inside of the dust port. The AutoClean hose will not go on the inside of the port because of the flange. What is the difference between the HEPA filter and High Performance filter?The HEPA filter will capture particles down to 0.3 microns in size whereas the high performance filter does not offer that level of filtration. The high performance filter is tested to captured 99.9% of particles down to 1 micron in size. When comparing the two there are some distinguishing features. The HEPA Filter has very tight pleats, a brown seal on its sides, has "HEPA" written on it and is very rigid. The high performance filter has much larger and more open pleats and is very flexible to the point that it can be bent into a circle. In the photo below, the HEPA is on the left. WHERE CAN I GET MORE INFORMATION?I have created a website that has basic information about the Planex and CT AC. Check it out here: Festool Planex Drywall Sander. The site may be updated with additional information in the future but for now it covers most of the basics.
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« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2012, 12:15 PM » |
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Great job, Shane. Thanks! 
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Thanks Shane. I look forward to reading about other people's questions and using the Planex this summer. 
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I'm speaking for myself here, as I don't truly know what others do or don't do, but as a Professional Woodworker, I stay as far from drywall work as I can... I've done my share of hanging and finishing, but there's no way we could compete with an experienced drywall crew... I do however know quite a few drywallers and plasterers who could really benefit from this, but most of these guys would do better with an old school VHS or DVD to watch on their TV as opposed to emailing a link for one of the demo videos. (can't show something like this on-site, or the feathers get ruffled, defense mechanism kicks in, and no mater what it is, it's not as good as ________. rhetoric in-sues. make some DVD's and I will be more than happy to pass them out to 4-5 qualified potential users (those that would buy 8-10 rigs or more once satisfied with the first...) but for ME, when I think "drywall" the only tool that comes to mind is my cell phone.
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Shane, you mention abrasives. Which abrasives in which grits are used with the Planex?
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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2012, 03:33 PM » |
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Shane, you mention abrasives. Which abrasives in which grits are used with the Planex?
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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2012, 03:53 PM » |
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Shane, there are still comments being made about the Planex in the other theads. Can't you close those threads and move all their content to this one?
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pretty good price. I was expecting much higher. So 1675$ for the kit (assuming the 10% discount on the CT). I think this is one of the festool tools that I would appreciate the peace of mind of having the 30 day money back, since it will be kind of hard to see it in action at the local hardware store.
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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2012, 05:42 PM » |
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Weird the USA doesn't get Crystal and Titan also.
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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2012, 07:29 PM » |
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You remember how long it took us to get Granat. U.L. sandpaper testing.
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2012, 07:46 PM » |
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All these abrasive comments...
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2012, 09:56 PM » |
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All these abrasive comments...
They're rubbing me the wrong way too.  Just don't get sore about it.
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pretty good price. I was expecting much higher. So 1675$ for the kit (assuming the 10% discount on the CT). I think this is one of the festool tools that I would appreciate the peace of mind of having the 30 day money back, since it will be kind of hard to see it in action at the local hardware store.
Ceddy, you make a great point, one I've been making quite a bit on the phone lately with prospective buyers. This is the epitome of a tool that justifies Festool USA's decision to extend a no hassle, 30 day, money back guarantee. A lot of folks are saying, I don't see, can't justify the $1,000 expense, just over twice the price of the Porter Cable 7800, on this new Festool. I bring up the 30 day policy, but really, we're all willing to pay 5 x's the price of a Makita 5007 circular saw for a TS 55, why not twice the price of a Porter Cable 7800? The savings in abrasives pointed out by Shane, the near weightlessness, harness setup, Festool reliability, small efficiency improvements like sanding into corners, the hose not falling off....these all certainly add up in my book. It's no different than any other Festool. It seems to me that it's current stature of such a niche tool has brought about a lot of hesitancy, that's about it.
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Updates:
The high-performance filter in the CT AC is tested to the European "M" standard which is 99.9% of particles down to 1 micron.
Canadian pricing added.
Festool Planex Drywall Sander, 571579, $1000 USD, $1155 CAN Festool CT 36 AutoClean (AC) Dust Extractor, 584014, $750 USD, $866 CAN
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Hi Shane,
Thanks for posting this convenient thread.
I am a general contractor working on mainly bathrooms and kitchens, so the areas of drywall that I install/repair are usually fairly small. I already have a CT33 (pre-RRP requirements) and a CT26 along with a Rigid and Dewalt, so I am kind of reluctant to buy another $750 vacuum. Here are some questions that will help me make a decision.
1) For occasionally sanding a typical bathroom or kitchen amount of drywall, could I expect good results using my CT26?
2) If I added something like the Oneida Ultimate Cyclone for the Festool vacs (something that I would also benefit from when making cabinets), could I expect good results using the CT26?
3) If I was able to sell the 33 or 26 and then put the CT AC to use in the shop, when it wasn't being used for drywall duty, could I expect good results from the CT AC (without a bag) for collecting wood dust from routers, sanders and saws. In other words, without a bag, would that blowback action clear the wood dust collecting on the elements as effectively as the video shows it working for drywall dust.
I do all of the trades for my remodeling projects and the way that I do drywall, there isn't a whole lot of sanding that ends up being needed, but even so, there is enough to require tarps (that need washing) and vacuuming and the protective gear and clothing (that needs washing) and the dust from my shoes and clothes that gets into my truck (that needs eventual cleaning). I'm seriously considering getting just the Planex to try and eliminate even that small amount of dust since it ends up requiring quite a bit of extra effort to clean up.
If it won't disappoint me while using it with just the CT26, then I will probably give it a try, but if I have to buy another expensive vacuum, then I'll have to think about it reallllllly hard!
Thanks Shane!
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Roland,
Thanks for the questions. Let me see if I can answer them for you adequately.
1) For occasional use of the Planex, your current CT models should be up to the task. The caveat is that you will probably find that you need to periodically tap the filter out to keep it free of the most fine of the drywall dust. Drywall dust ranges in size down to 1 micron, below the filtration leave of the filter bag which is 5 micron. So, drywall dust can pass right through the filter bag and into the HEPA filter. This is not going to be as much of a problem with wood dust, which is larger in size. As much as I'd like to sell you on the Planex, which is a phenomenal solution, you may be better off considering an ETS/DTS/RTS sander for small patch jobs. Much smaller and lighter but still great at capturing that drywall dust. There are several threads here that talk about members using these sanders for drywall with great success. Just something to consider.
2) I'm no familiar enough with the Oneida products to give advice on how they would react with drywall dust. If you're talking about for wood dust, I'd suggest a forum search as there are some reviews/commentary on members experience with that product.
3) Yes, you should see the same great dust extraction for non-drywall applications with the CT AC as you would with our other CT models. The filtration level on the CT AC, with its supplied filter, would be 1 micron at 99.9% versus HEPA which is 0.3 micron at 99.997%. The AutoClean functionality should keep the filter free of debris and dust even with wood dust. However, it would be somewhat counterproductive to run it without a bag in my opinion, from a disposal perspective. You could use the same filter bags for the CT 36 with CT AC and run it with a bag if you chose and saw the benefit. Running without the bag would probably mean you would need to replace the high-performance filter in the CT AC more frequently than without.
Hope that helps. If you still have questions, let me know.
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I have sanded quite a bit of drywall by now with my DTS400, ETS125 and RO 150, assisted by the CT22, CT26 and CT Mini. I have never found any dust on the filters themselves. All the dust gets captured by the bags, where the only problem is premature clogging and as a consequence, loss of suction. Which is quite a bit less now with the new bags of the new CT 26.
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I believe the Planex will clog the HEPA filters because of the volume of fine drywall dust it takes in compared with the other Festool sanders.
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like the attix 30 a/s/e. But better. Festool!
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Hi Shane,
Thanks for posting this convenient thread.
I am a general contractor working on mainly bathrooms and kitchens, so the areas of drywall that I install/repair are usually fairly small. I already have a CT33 (pre-RRP requirements) and a CT26 along with a Rigid and Dewalt, so I am kind of reluctant to buy another $750 vacuum. Here are some questions that will help me make a decision.
1) For occasionally sanding a typical bathroom or kitchen amount of drywall, could I expect good results using my CT26?
2) If I added something like the Oneida Ultimate Cyclone for the Festool vacs (something that I would also benefit from when making cabinets), could I expect good results using the CT26?
3) If I was able to sell the 33 or 26 and then put the CT AC to use in the shop, when it wasn't being used for drywall duty, could I expect good results from the CT AC (without a bag) for collecting wood dust from routers, sanders and saws. In other words, without a bag, would that blowback action clear the wood dust collecting on the elements as effectively as the video shows it working for drywall dust.
I do all of the trades for my remodeling projects and the way that I do drywall, there isn't a whole lot of sanding that ends up being needed, but even so, there is enough to require tarps (that need washing) and vacuuming and the protective gear and clothing (that needs washing) and the dust from my shoes and clothes that gets into my truck (that needs eventual cleaning). I'm seriously considering getting just the Planex to try and eliminate even that small amount of dust since it ends up requiring quite a bit of extra effort to clean up.
If it won't disappoint me while using it with just the CT26, then I will probably give it a try, but if I have to buy another expensive vacuum, then I'll have to think about it reallllllly hard!
Thanks Shane!
Roland
Roland, To answer number two regarding the Ultimate Dust Deputy I may be helpful in a round about way. I'm presently working on a remodel where I've had to cut concrete with my Hilti Diamond saw and drill out 1 1/2" holes in sandstone and vac out the holes. I didn't want to spend $900 plus on a Hilti vac especially designed to vacuum concrete dust because it has a stirrer that stirs the contents every 15 seconds to eliminate caking. I have several ct's and my older ct33 is relegated to demo work, (I didn't want to beat up my ct36's with demo work) I knew that if I used that one directly I would have bag blowout almost every time, especially due to the weight of the rock dust. So I ordered the Ultimate Dust Deputy and I couldn't be happier. When using the Ultimate DD I consider when it fills to 2/3's as full as I don't want any bypass filling my ct33 - at 2/3's full the Ultimate DD caught about 70 lbs of rock dust! With a miniscule amount going into the CT. I'm so thrilled with the Ultimate DD that I ordered another one for the sanding room of my workshop. I have no doubt that one would have similar results with drywall dust, with the benefit of a Hepa Filter to boot. cheers, Roger
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Shane,
On the Ct AutoClean where you connect the hose to the vac there is what appears to be an internal hose gate with an animation of it on the second video. Will that also be available as an option for the Ct33? It seems very nifty.
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Checked out the PLanex and AutoClean 36 at my brick and mortar dealer today. No drywall to try it on, but it seems very nice. It had a good feel. The sectional breakdown of the "tubes" looked good too.
Will the CT Planex "caddy" that mounts to the top of the CT be available? That wasn't on display and I forgot to ask.
Is the Planex delivered in a the Maxi Sys. for NA?
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Seth, the CT mount (caddy) is available so check with your dealer. And, yes it does come on the Maxi as does the harness.
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Shane,
On the Ct AutoClean where you connect the hose to the vac there is what appears to be an internal hose gate with an animation of it on the second video. Will that also be available as an option for the Ct33? It seems very nifty.
Sorry I missed seeing this, Roger. Yes, it's the blast gate and will work with any of our CTs.
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I've read that the Planex can be used for removing wall paper, but I'm wondering if it would work knocking down ceiling texture. Like the popcorn type that would usually get scraped off with water and a drywall knife. If it is possible, what grit would you suggest.
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I've read that the Planex can be used for removing wall paper, but I'm wondering if it would work knocking down ceiling texture. Like the popcorn type that would usually get scraped off with water and a drywall knife. If it is possible, what grit would you suggest.
Yes, it can be used for knocking down popcorn or texture on a ceiling. I would recommend 80 or 100 grit. The Planex has two dust extraction options which are selected with a switch on the head: inside the pad or outside the pad. You will want to select outside the pad for this application. Generally, you will select inside the pad for other applications, like drywall sanding. Using extraction on the outside of the pad is best suited when you're creating larger debris rather than fine dust.
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3) Yes, you should see the same great dust extraction for non-drywall applications with the CT AC as you would with our other CT models. The filtration level on the CT AC, with its supplied filter, would be 1 micron at 99.9% versus HEPA which is 0.3 micron at 99.997%. The AutoClean functionality should keep the filter free of debris and dust even with wood dust. However, it would be somewhat counterproductive to run it without a bag in my opinion, from a disposal perspective. You could use the same filter bags for the CT 36 with CT AC and run it with a bag if you chose and saw the benefit. Running without the bag would probably mean you would need to replace the high-performance filter in the CT AC more frequently than without.
Hey, Shane. A few questions regarding this: 1: How does the blow back function work if you use a bag? Wouldn't it just put the fine dust back into the tub, where it would immediately get sucked BACK into the filter? 2: You wrote, "we have found drywall dust to be (apparently) smaller than 5 microns allowing some dust to pass through the filter bag and into the "tub" and to the main filter...." - I agree this happens with drywall / plaster dust. AFAIK, there is now wood dust smaller than 5 microns, so I see no benefit from this system for wood-only applications. Am I wrong? 3: I am considering upgrading to a CT36 AC (I currently have the RPP-HEPA CT36) and only using a plastic bag for those rare times that I sand / clean up drywall. EXCEPT: Would the "blow back" function work with the RPP-HEPA filter, or would I have to remember to swap-in the 1 micron HP filter when using blow back? 4: If one installs the new blast gate on an existing CT36, will it reduce suction at all? (Has Festool tested this with actual cfm & water lift numbers? This is important to me, as I use my CT36 for routing & also general cleanup, where every bit of suction counts. -thanks.
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« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2012, 05:58 PM » |
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1: How does the blow back function work if you use a bag? Wouldn't it just put the fine dust back into the tub, where it would immediately get sucked BACK into the filter?
You would not use the AutoClean feature with a bag installed. It won't work. The filter bag gets sucked up against the filter essentially. So, there's nowhere for the dust to go if the AutoClean actuates, it would fall on the bag and go right back into the fitler, just like you said. 2: You wrote, "we have found drywall dust to be (apparently) smaller than 5 microns allowing some dust to pass through the filter bag and into the "tub" and to the main filter...." - I agree this happens with drywall / plaster dust. AFAIK, there is now wood dust smaller than 5 microns, so I see no benefit from this system for wood-only applications. Am I wrong?
Wood dust is generally larger than 5 microns. Wood SMOKE can be smaller than 5 microns. There's no particular advantage for wood applications. However, there is the possibility of using the CT AutoClean for drywall sanding and woodworking. Whereas, I wouldn't recommend the non-AutoClean units for drywall sanding if you're doing a lot of it. 3: I am considering upgrading to a CT36 AC (I currently have the RPP-HEPA CT36) and only using a plastic bag for those rare times that I sand / clean up drywall. EXCEPT: Would the "blow back" function work with the RPP-HEPA filter, or would I have to remember to swap-in the 1 micron HP filter when using blow back?
The CT AutoClean is not designed or tested for RRP applications and should not be used for those tasks. If you're just wanting to use a HEPA filter and it's not for RRP, then you can do so. It's the same filter as the other CT 26/36/48 units that would fit in the CT AutoClean. I would not recommend using the AutoClean functionality with a HEPA filter but rather swap filters. 4: If one installs the new blast gate on an existing CT36, will it reduce suction at all? (Has Festool tested this with actual cfm & water lift numbers? This is important to me, as I use my CT36 for routing & also general cleanup, where every bit of suction counts.
I don't have any scientific data to support it, but I don't believe suction would be reduced. I can't say definitively because I haven't used one since we don't have them yet. They are expected later in the month. Shane
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« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2012, 06:17 PM » |
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Quick follow up... I'm not in the office today but a colleague just confirmed that we received some of the blast gates and had a look at them. As long as you don't close it, there's no drop in CFM as I suspected.
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Hi Shane, I had a few questions from the perspective of someone looking to try the planex under the 30 day guarantee
1) What comes with the tool package? In particular, b/c I heard it improves usability greatly, does an interface pad come with it? How about any sample abrasives? 2) B/c I'm mostly looking to just try it at the moment I'd probably just use it with my CT33 + dust deputy. Could you edit in the part # and price (USD/CAD) of the planex hose into the original post since that seems like a required item (at least in my case). 3) What abrasives would you recommend as a good starting point? 4) How do consumables work under the 30 day guarantee? I would assume you can't return an opened & incomplete box of sandpaper but if the tool comes with a sample pack I would figure using those shouldn't be an issue?
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« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2012, 07:36 PM » |
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Brian, sorry for the delay getting back to you on this. See my responses below, let me know if you still have any questions. Thanks. 1) What comes with the tool package? In particular, b/c I heard it improves usability greatly, does an interface pad come with it? How about any sample abrasives?
It does not include the interface pad (#496140, $40 USD/$46.20 CDN), which is optional and sold separately. I also don't believe that it comes with any sample abrasives, but I'd have to check to confirm or maybe one of our dealers on the forum can check for us. 2) B/c I'm mostly looking to just try it at the moment I'd probably just use it with my CT33 + dust deputy. Could you edit in the part # and price (USD/CAD) of the planex hose into the original post since that seems like a required item (at least in my case).
To clarify, you can use a standard hose but it will not have a positive locking mechanism with the Planex and could pull loose with a lot of movement. The Planex-specific hose is #496972, $150 USD/$173.30 CDN. 3) What abrasives would you recommend as a good starting point?
For general drywall sanding, I would say that 150 grit would be a good start. The Planex can remove drywall compound pretty rapidly, so go with a grit that's a step or two higher that would you might think you'd use. If you have stuff that's pretty rough, also add 100 grit. 4) How do consumables work under the 30 day guarantee? I would assume you can't return an opened & incomplete box of sandpaper but if the tool comes with a sample pack I would figure using those shouldn't be an issue?
Only the tool is covered by the 30 day guarantee. Accessories, like the interface pad, and consumables would not be covered and are not returnable unless your dealer offers a return policy beyond Festool's 30 day guarantee.
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« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2012, 09:05 PM » |
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Sample abrasive with the Planex: the ones I have in stock came with a sheet of 150 grit Brilliant.
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'Same here, Chip.
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Hi there, Longtime lurker here and fairly new festool owner. First of all thanks for all the great info guys! Guess I'm getting a bit of extractor overload, I have a few questions for anybody wiling: 1. Does the CT AC simply blast air back through the filter to clear it? 2. What does the blast gate do then, or why would you want it other than containing dust when removing the hose? 3. If the filter is kept relatively clean why does it not still use a hepa filter? I realize it is not intended for RPP etc. but why go down in filter quality? 4. If a plastic bag can be used how does it keep from being sucked up into the filter? Thanks for any help, I am asking with concrete dust collection in mind. I will be doing a bunch of floor grinding and had originally planned on using my Midi and buying a Dust Deputy to collect the bulk of it but then the CT AC came out and I was curious if it was better instead (and also good for using on the job site with tools that create lots of bulk dust such as a table saw and router without the bulk of the Dust Deputy) I've seen that Makita has a new vac aimed at concrete which appears to be a rebranded Nilfisk, Hilti has one, and Pulsebac is another brand that specializes in them (BTW they have a cool video with a plexi sided vac and you see the "pulsing" of the filters, pretty cool!) anyways do they all use the same technology of blowing air back through the filters? in which case should I get the CT AC for the jobs mentioned? Thanks again and sorry for the length-my minds reeling I have to pull the trigger on something!
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Hello and welcome to the forum. Here are the answers to your questions. 1. Does the CT AC simply blast air back through the filter to clear it?
No. A valve opens and closes to quickly create differential pressure. There is no "blast of air" or something blowing air through the filter. 2. What does the blast gate do then, or why would you want it other than containing dust when removing the hose?
Closing the blast gate while the AutoClean cycles will give the filter a more robust cleaning. You can actually see the sides of the tub get bow under the pressure it's so strong. Also, like you stated, it prevents spilling during transport. 3. If the filter is kept relatively clean why does it not still use a hepa filter? I realize it is not intended for RPP etc. but why go down in filter quality?
In the first post in this thread you can see a HEPA filter and the High-Performance filter than comes standard on the CT AC side by side. The HEPA filter is very rigid and has far more pleats which would trap the fine drywall dust. The High-Performence filter is still 1 micron, versus 0.3 micron on the HEPA filter. So, we're not talking about a dramatic difference in filtration levels. 4. If a plastic bag can be used how does it keep from being sucked up into the filter?
I'm no engineer and don't have a degree in fluid dynamics, so I can't give a technical explanation. I suspect it has something to do with a vortex that's created. The flow of air is from the inlet where the hose attaches straight up into the filter. So, the majority of the tub is unaffected by that suction. What particles do hit the filter are released during the AutoClean cycle. Thanks for any help, I am asking with concrete dust collection in mind.
Festool does not recommend using our CT dust extractors for hazardous materials, including concrete dust as stated in the manual. You should always use proper safety equipment including a respirator when working with such materials. There is a risk of particles not trapped by the filter being reintroduced into the environment.
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Ok back when I was doing drywall, Columbia auto tools rock  - I had the PC. I kept it even after i sold off the rest of the professional tools. I have alot of experience with the PC - even to the point of putting 36 grit floor pads on it to deal with painted textured ceilings that owners wanted lvl 5 flat. So i feel the need to address several "advantages" of the planax that aren't. - A robust, sealed 2-speed gear box instead of their cable drive which is more likely to fail over time. The PC's cable can and occasionally does go out but it is a $27.00 replacement part that can be repaired in the field in under 15 min. I am willing to bet the price of a Planex that its gear box will not out last the life of 2 PC's let alone the advantage of 2 PC's if your crew has never went auto before- Switches and dials that are large and all within reach while operating the machine, right at your fingertips. The PC switch and speed control are also right at your finger tips - MUCH, MUCH less expensive abrasives lowering total cost of ownership While it is true that PC paper is expensive-- i dont know of anyone who actually uses the paper- I am sure there are some weekend warriors who might but--- This is from All Wall equipment-- Level 360 Sanding Discs 360 & PC7800 (25 Pack)Price 1 – 3 $21.99 This brings the Actual price In line with Planex or just below it. - A removable brush around the pad that can let you get right against adjacent surfaces. This is not a feature this is BAD as it will get lost and then the vac efficiency will go down until you buy a replacement - A rubber handle, theirs is plastic and gets quite slippery when you have dust on your hands This one is sort of funny as after a couple months of production use it will look like the rubber portion of my RO 150 or it will be gouged, hardened or completely coated with drywall mud and wont make much of a difference anyway The above comments are directed to those who looking at the Planex as a Production tool -- not as a Festoy to take out of the systainer once a year to freshen a wall before it gets repainted or as part of a contractors "dog and pony show" "The Dog and Pony show" element is a Huge Positive Feature for the small high end contractor who is aware that his customer is buying an "experience" as much as a finished product. having a demonstrable edge like a dustless drywall sander that you can bring to the presentation in its special box may Get you the Job at your bid price  this alone should make the tool pay for it self in a year. Now I really like the ability to shorten/lengthen it. That is a Huge feature and worth a couple $100 over the life of the unit. Over all, I may have talked my self into taking a long hard look at it. I know some online auto body shop venders are letting you buy large ticket items and have the payments taken out of your card over several months-----hmmmmm if it works for SATA.
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« Reply #38 on: March 18, 2012, 05:26 PM » |
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I'm not trying to debate these points, but I've personally used both units and have extensive feedback from professional crews who have used both. Those abrasives costs are slightly misrepresented in my opinion because it doesn't include the Radius 360 Power Pad @ $12/ea which are required in addition to the abrasives discs and have to be replaced regularly. The Planex doesn't require a backing pad like that. Plus, consider the longevity of the abrasives, which are not all created equally, especially with a brand I've never heard of. I have read and heard from PC users that the units break down regularly because of that drive cable failing. The fact that you know about the part(s) needed to replace it tells me that you've experienced at least one failure. From what I've been told, it costs more than that but probably included labor. If you don't have the replacement part in the field and know how to replace it, you're down for however long it takes to repair it. Time is money. I don't have any scientific data to share, but I can't imagine what it would take to break the metal gears in the Planex's gearbox. The speed dial was out of reach in my opinion and was on the underside of the handle where it was impossible to see without flipping the sander over. I found the dial to be rather small and stiff to turn. Just my perspective. Should you lose the brush section, which will safe in your Planex Systainer  , it should not significantly affect dust extraction since, unlike the PC, dust is extracted from the center rather than the outside of the pad in most applications. I don't doubt there are guys that have used the PC unit who found it to be satisfactory but they had no point of reference with which they could compare it. I think most everyone here should realize what Festool represents and the type of products we produce.
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« Reply #39 on: March 18, 2012, 05:59 PM » |
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Should you lose the brush section, which will safe in your Planex Systainer  , it should not significantly affect dust extraction since, unlike the PC, dust is extracted from the center rather than the outside of the pad in most applications.That is something worth pointing out more directly!! as it is a feature that differentiates it self from the PC in a way that is important.. ...The PC sucks from the RIM and can leave sanding groves about 1" from the corner unless you are very careful and you cannot use it for inside corner sanding. I don't doubt there are guys that have used the PC unit who found it to be satisfactory but they had no point of reference with which they could compare it. I think most everyone here should realize what Festool represents and the type of products we produce. Cables do fail but many forget how long they have been running the tool (kinda like how a driver breaks on a roofing gun or framer) and lets face it it is almost a 20 yr old tool that Stanley is unlikely to update unless they get competition from some sector
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« Reply #40 on: March 18, 2012, 06:30 PM » |
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I suspect those groves near corners have a lot to do with that doughnut shaped pad. In my experience, it causes the outside of the abrasive disc to make contact a lot more contact than the center of the disc due to cupping. Anyway, thanks for sharing your insight and keeping the conversation balanced.
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Few questions: - What is the CFM on the CE 36 autoclean; doesn't appear to be listed anywhere? i.e. will it have the same (or better?) dust extraction power as the standard CE 36?
- If we also drop a HEPA filter in the CE autoclean and turn the autoclean off for woodwork, should we expect the unit to perform just as well on woodworking tools such as the 2200 router or is this unit designed in such a way as the performance would be degraded in any way?
- If we chose to drop a HEPA filter into the CE autoclean, would we use the same HEPA filter part number that is used in the standard CE36? Are they the filters the same size?
- If we drop a HEPA filter into the CE 36 autoclean unit and turn off autoclean, would we still get clean air? I understand that it isn't certified, but would it be possible to apply for and get HEPA certification down the line or will this unit just absolutely never get cert and never be RRP ready? Is it really a bad idea, is the standard 36E that was HEPA certified going to give you air that much cleaner?
- Can I use my multi-use bag from my standard CE36 on the CE36 autoclean for woodwork and expect the same results in performance and cleanliness inside the tub?
- With the multi-use bag on the CE36 autoclean, will the bag continue to 'self clean' itself even with autoclean turned off? Any change in functionality one might expect there?
- Would the boom part number for the CE 36 fit on the CE 36 autoclean? If not, is there a separate boom part number?
- Would the handle part number for the CE 36 fit on the CE 36 autoclean? (I think I saw a different handle offered for this unit, still I want to see if the original handle would also fit?
Thanks in advance, about to purchase.
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« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2012, 11:08 AM » |
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What is the CFM on the CE 36 autoclean; doesn't appear to be listed anywhere? i.e. will it have the same (or better?) dust extraction power as the standard CE 36?
It's the same motor in all of our dust extractors now, so 137 CFM. If we also drop a HEPA filter in the CE autoclean and turn the autoclean off for woodwork, should we expect the unit to perform just as well on woodworking tools such as the 2200 router or is this unit designed in such a way as the performance would be degraded in any way?
The AutoClean is essentially the same as the CT 36, except it has the high-performance filter (1 micron filtration) and the AutoClean functionality. Putting a HEPA filter in it, it would work just like a CT 36 (Non-AutoClean) model. If we chose to drop a HEPA filter into the CE autoclean, would we use the same HEPA filter part number that is used in the standard CE36? Are they the filters the same size?
The CT AutoClean and CT 26/36 all share the same accessories. The HEPA filter for the CT 36 will fit in the CT AutoClean. If we drop a HEPA filter into the CE 36 autoclean unit and turn off autoclean, would we still get clean air? I understand that it isn't certified, but would it be possible to apply for and get HEPA certification down the line or will this unit just absolutely never get cert and never be RRP ready? Is it really a bad idea, is the standard 36E that was HEPA certified going to give you air that much cleaner?
I would recommend not using the AutoClean functionality with a HEPA filter. There's no reason the filter wouldn't perform to specifications, so yes "clean air". There are no intentions to ever certify the CT AutoClean for RRP. "Clean air" is a product of the filter. If you put a HEPA filter in the CT AutoClean, it would be the same as having a CT 36 essentially, but without a certificate for RRP. Can I use my multi-use bag from my standard CE36 on the CE36 autoclean for woodwork and expect the same results in performance and cleanliness inside the tub?
Again, all accessories are shared between the CT AutoClean and CT 36. The results would be the same. With the multi-use bag on the CE36 autoclean, will the bag continue to 'self clean' itself even with autoclean turned off? Any change in functionality one might expect there?
You cannot use the AutoClean functionality with a bag installed, it won't work. A plastic liner is used in AutoClean mode. A bag can be used when AutoClean is not enabled. The long life bag does not have self-cleaning properties like the self-cleaning bag. Would the boom part number for the CE 36 fit on the CE 36 autoclean? If not, is there a separate boom part number?
Yes, all accessories are shared between the CT AC and CT 26/36. Same part number. Would the handle part number for the CE 36 fit on the CE 36 autoclean? (I think I saw a different handle offered for this unit, still I want to see if the original handle would also fit?
Same part numbers, same accessories. Let me know if you have more questions.
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« Reply #43 on: March 19, 2012, 02:28 PM » |
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Shane -
Thank you for the prompt reply and your thorough coverage of my questions (if your superior is watching: give Shane a raise!, this fella goes ABOVE AND BEYOND to help Festool customers).
Festool really did a good job in thinking ahead and making sure this unit was backwards compatible.
I'm putting my order in today from my local dealer for the auto-clean unit and look forward to having a product that can help me with woodworking in addition to helping me sand drywall on our house remodels.
Good lookin' out!
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« Reply #44 on: March 19, 2012, 09:48 PM » |
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OK, I just received my new Planex and 36AC. It mentions being able to strip wall paper and paint. Are there special accessories for these processes or just a different abrasive?
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OK, I just received my new Planex and 36AC. It mentions being able to strip wall paper and paint. Are there special accessories for these processes or just a different abrasive?
You can use the Saphir 24 or 36 grit abrasives. Select the option for extraction on the outside of the pad for large debris. Welcome to the forum.
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« Reply #46 on: March 27, 2012, 03:46 PM » |
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Put in my order for the CT AutoClean (without the planex I'll have to expand to that later). My sales rep didn't seem to know.Does the extractor by itself come with a hose like the ther CT's? If so, what is the length and diameter/connections?
These things will start shipping from Festool April 15th as far as anyone knows right? (unless you were one of those lucky few that already have the unit)
I am new to Festool products, just geared up with several things, waiting on the CT AC before I start working, don't want to mess with anything on a shop vac.
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« Reply #47 on: March 27, 2012, 03:50 PM » |
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Christopher,
The CT AC comes with an 11.5' hose that's 36mm in diameter. All other CTs come with a 27mm hose. If you plan to use it with sanders or the Domino you've mentioned buying, for instance, you'll need a 27mm hose. These are already shipping and have been shipping to dealers for weeks now.
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« Reply #48 on: March 27, 2012, 04:25 PM » |
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Christopher,
The CT AC comes with an 11.5' hose that's 36mm in diameter. All other CTs come with a 27mm hose. If you plan to use it with sanders or the Domino you've mentioned buying, for instance, you'll need a 27mm hose. These are already shipping and have been shipping to dealers for weeks now.
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Thanks Shane for the good news in that they are already shipping, will check with my dealer again see if there was an update on ETA. I ordered it last week and dealer and I were under impression that it wasn't available by Festool in US till April 15th...will double check with them (it could be specific to the dealer) for an update on ETA. A day or two earlier arrival might make the difference between getting to use it before my St. Martin trip or not (Yes, I will be thinking of my Festool on my beach trip...that is the kind of awesome impression these tools leave on a person---don't tell the wife!) The 11' ish long 36mm hose shipping with the CT AC is definitely a benefit for me over the 27mm and in another thread I can see that I can mod that setup to work so I can easily switch between the 36 and 27...not sure if the 11 will be to long for things like hooking up kapex where I understand a shorter hose might work better...I will sort that out by trial and error and you guys have those Y connectors I can always branch a shorter line from source away from boom for that, thanks for the good news. Is this hose with the CE AC an anti-static type with standard fittings (or is this a planex specific hose) ? i.e. is this the hose that is specific to the planex (or does the Planex also ship with its own hose specific to its functionality---I was under impression it has a different connector though for most every tool it will connect fine)? PS. Festool is the Ferrari of tools (as many already know). Both on product performance and service. Shane, you as always contribute to that service performance...hands down, nobody else provides this thorough, fast response in the industry. Kind thoughts- Christopher
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The hose is somewhat specific to the Planex in that it has a flange on the connector and it's lightweight compared to the standard 36mm hose. This allows you to positively lock it onto the Planex. The only tool that accepts a 36mm hose that it won't work with that I can think of is the HL 850 planer. It will work fine with the Kapex, TS saws, and other tools. It is antistatic. And, I'm just doing my job, trying to help you guys out. I like that I can try to give each of you the same level of service that I wish I received from the companies I do business with. That's my goal.  
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Hi Shane,
In the videos posted and some pictures I see 4 green dials on the vacuum. In a few other pictures I have seen 3 dials. What is the 4th dial? The 3rd dial I'm assuming is auto clean but what is the 4th and will it be on the vacuum? I don't want to buy something and assume it has it, I have done that too many times because of specifications that were incorrectly listed or incorrect pictures posted. It only causes problems and I just want to clear that up.
Since the auto clean vacuum does not have a HEPA filter, does it exhaust more air than say the regular CT 36? I don't have experience with a CT 36, but my MIDI doesn't blow much air at all really. Im concerned about blowing dust around. I'm asking because I own the porter cable vacuum & drywall sander an the PC vacuum exhausts a lot air so it tends to blow around dust that hasn't been sucked up.
Also, will there be a CT 48 AC auto clean in the near future?
Thank you for your time.
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TJ, welcome to the forum.
There's an additional dial on units in Europe that's not applicable to the US version. There will just be a blank over the spot where that dial would appear on European models. So all US models have three dials.
All CT models should blow roughly the same volume of air, which should be relative to the CFM of 137. I would characterize the exhaust as not being very strong at all. I'm sure members with other CT models can offer their opinions of the exhaust.
Edit: and no current plans for any other sizes of AutoClean models.
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TJ, welcome to the forum.
There's an additional dial on units in Europe that's not applicable to the US version. There will just be a blank over the spot where that dial would appear on European models. So all US models have three dials.
All CT models should blow roughly the same volume of air, which should be relative to the CFM of 137. I would characterize the exhaust as not being very strong at all. I'm sure members with other CT models can offer their opinions of the exhaust.
Edit: and no current plans for any other sizes of AutoClean models.
Excellent. Thank you for the fast reply. Maybe someone could chime in on the exhaust. Anyone have any experience with it yet? No 4th button, no big deal. I do wish Festool provided more European products here in the US. I feel the US seems to get short changed on some products, but I may be wrong. I tried ordering the package from a few dealers but was told it was backordered. I will try some more dealers and see if I get the same response. Thank you again.
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I haven't had any real problems with dust getting blown around. This was cleaning up after sanding drywall at a friends house. I was also using a Midi- but from the specs, it sucks roughly the same amount of air as it's larger counterparts ~137cfms. There is some dispersal, but only when I rolled it directly through the pile of dust. Only other way of curing this problem is to have the exhaust pointed up, which wouldn't make sence to me.
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Christopher,
The CT AC comes with an 11.5' hose that's 36mm in diameter. All other CTs come with a 27mm hose. If you plan to use it with sanders or the Domino you've mentioned buying, for instance, you'll need a 27mm hose. These are already shipping and have been shipping to dealers for weeks now.
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San Diego dealer says 36AC is on hold and back ordered with Festool. I ordered weeks ago...they say Festool doesnt have any. Is tbis possibly correct?
As of right now, yes, I believe there is a back order situation on the CT AutoClean due to higher than expected demand. I know there are multiple shipments inbound from Germany, including one that should have been here at the end of last week or beginning of this week.
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Thanks Shane.
Yah apologies for the random (is it in yet!?) questions; I'm sure you have better things to do.
I'm sitting on a set of new Festools with no dust extractor to put them on because I decided to go with the AC as opposed to the non AC.
My Festools 'tell me' they are NOT going to let me connect them to an old shop vac---snobs
If you are in the same office, and stop by the shipping manager---please do drop him my name (San Diego) and have him ship ahead of all others.
Checks in the mail?!
On a serious note, I'm glad the stories are jiving now, I like my dealer, just inpatient and wanted to make sure it wasn't that they weren't on point getting orders in.
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Shane/Festool/Tom -
Thanks, got my 36 AC delivered today. I'm having a blast. (With my blast gates)
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Awesome. Glad you were able to find one in stock and Tom was able to help you out.
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OK, here's my impression of the planex after using it on a high end level 5 smooth finish job. On the walls- Stock pad, using Brilliant 150 paper. Vac at max along with the ac interval at max. Motor speed was at 2 1/2- 3. Suctioning number 3-4 and inside pad extraction. Flew through the walls and made them slicky smooth. Really. Four rooms in 30 mins. Ceilings was a completely different story. The wall configuration made some deep swirls and was somewhat hard to control. So, I switched it up to this: Used the soft pad backer with the sponge insert. Used 180 Brilliant and left the vaccum as is. The settings on the planex was motor 2, suctioning was 4, and inside pad extraction. Still left some swirl marks, but was taken care of in the final touch up. Really worked the shoulders though. Almost like running a bazooka for the day. But again, flew through the ceilings, approx. 1250 sq ft in 30 mins. Just things to watch for is when bringing the planex away from the work, make sure you still have the head on the work. If you bring it off too soon, you'll just be flouring the room with the uncollected dust. Noise wasn't bad at all. Also, you have to time it where the auto clean function fires off, don't be sanding. The suctioning stops and the head slightly lifts off, putting a cant on the pad and digging in. As I use it more, I'll fine tune it to where I can start saving my shoulders. 
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So after a week or two of flipping back and forth, I decided to go with the CT 36 AC instead of the HEPA version. I plan to use this with a combo of woodworking and some drywall, but got this b/c i was extremely interested in trying out the collector with a router table or shop cleanup and not use a bag for those activities. I was surprised to find a self cleaning bag with the vacuum as well as the advertised AC bag liner! I prefer the 36mm hose to the 27mm hose, and with the addition of the hose adapter from Bob Marino, it makes it a serious cost contender for someone that wants a 36mm hose but doesn't care about HEPA certification...even if you don't use the autoclean function. I've only had the CT 36 for a day (just bought my first Festools a month ago), and am deeply in love 
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this is quite exciting, as my wife and I want to remove all the popcorn off of our ceilings. There is a lot! and I've been dreading doing the water/drywall knife method that will take me all summer. I already have a CT26, so that's 1/2 the battle. Next to convince my dear wife that this is the only solution  bwahahahahahaha
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Has anyone tried the Planex on floors? Just thinking that with the larger pad and the variety of grits, it might be an interesting use.
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Has anyone tried the Planex on floors? Just thinking that with the larger pad and the variety of grits, it might be an interesting use.
Has anyone tried it? I'm not sure. But, that's not it's intended purpose. So I would probably recommend against using it for that.
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Peter, that was my first thought too with the planex, sanding a floor. I was thinking the planex would be good for light sanding between coats, or sanding a porch floor. I might have to try it out and see.
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Here's a technique to save your shoulders when sanding ceilings. Instead of having the whole planex parallel to your body, try having it perpendicular to your chest. The Planex head would be over your head, but I tell you, my shoulders could take that much more than sanding across my chest. Sure your head is going to be on full tilt, but I could hold it all day and not tire out. Course, when you get into corners and edges, you'll have to do the best you can, but man that saved my shoulders a ton!
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Hi everyone, new to this board and owner of a ct36 ac. Just wanted some help as to using the hose that came with this vac. In order to use the sanders, will I have to purchase a 27mm hose or is there an adapter? If so, could you tell me what the part number is?
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I bought a 27mm connector hose from Bob Marino...its a 27mm AS hose (about 1.5 ft long) with a 27mm connector on each end. Works great.
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Are you guys using Brilliant 150 for final sandings? I exclusively use Brilliant 220 with my RO150. Thanks Eric
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Are you guys using Brilliant 150 for final sandings? I exclusively use Brilliant 220 with my RO150. Thanks Eric
On wood? Drywall? Planex? Autoclean? Huh?  Seth
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Are you guys using Brilliant 150 for final sandings? I exclusively use Brilliant 220 with my RO150. Thanks Eric
Hey Eric, I use 150 to 180 for my rough sand and 220 for my final sand on drywall. It will give you a smooth finish. Awsome tool! Enjoy  Johncarlo
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Thanks John, so you always do two passes?
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I just did the math. 51 sheets of drywall. How many 150s and 220s would i go through? Festool Products takes 29 hours to ship stuff to me and I dont want any down time. Thanks Eric
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Hey Eric, One to two of each, maybe more if the electrical boxes aren't flush. One box of each is more then enough and will last you a few jobs. Two coats of mud and then the rough sand gives me a level field to skim. It also fills in any air pockets. 220 on the skim and your left with a smooth finish  . Enjoy the lack of dust! Johncarlo
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I am wondering how does one know when to stop sanding? my purpose will be to remove the popcorn from the ceiling of our home, and if that works I will add it to the services that I provide, (crown, baseboard etc) would it be easy to sand through the drywall paper? and how do you know that you've sanded enough, so that you don't have to get up on a ladder with a light to examine every square foot to see if all the popcorn etc is gone? We have heard from friends that they are getting estimates anywhere from 4 to 7k to have a crew come in to remove the popcorn ceilings. This involves the water/scraper method and it's associated mess. How big is that sanding pad? it looks like it's about 9" or so? How do you avoid damaging adjascent walls/crown when you remove the guard? I wouldn't want to have to go back and touch up paint due to damage from the sander. I've looked at the utube videos, they seem nice, but I would like to see a video by someone that is an end user, sort of "real life" conditions.
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Stop sanding when you see daylight.  I think it just takes some practice but there's a quick learning curve. Remember, we have a 30-day money back guarantee, so you can get it and try it out risk free. Using a higher grit will lessen the likelihood of scuffing or damaging the drywall paper. You'll quickly learn how fast you need to move across the wall or ceiling surface to achieve optimal results so that you don't have to inspect every square foot. The abrasives are 8.85", 225mm, and the pad is slightly smaller than that, 215mm. Well, the brush/guard is there to prevent damage to adjacent surfaces but even with it removed there shouldn't be contact as the pad housing acts as an offset for the paper. Here are some videos I found from end users, mostly in other countries, doing a quick Youtube search. I thought someone here on the forum had posted about using it for popcorn ceilings but I can't remember if there was a video. I'll have to search for the thread. Edit: OK, I found the thread and video. http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tool-reviews/planex-225-used-for-ceiling-texture-removal/
Another thread with photos of popcorn removal: http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/planex-first-try/
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So does the support strap harness come with the Planex? Adding another $150 for the Planex hose and CT36 AC, then the extras like the caddy that holds the planex $40 dollar pad etc. Whew. Why don't they just do a complete package Planex/CT36AC and all the extra accessories  ? 
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So does the support strap harness come with the Planex?
The harness is sold separately and comes in its own Systainer Maxi, #496911. http://www.sanderfordrywall.com/accessories/
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I own the Planex and CT AutoClean and can not imagine living without either. The Planex has allowed me to take on larger drywall projects that I had been subbing out, mostly because I didn't want to do the sanding. Now I can wipe out a room in no time. After just a few jobs the tool has paid for itself and I can actually way away when finished without looking like a ghost.
Now for the question. I purchased the AutoClean to replace my older CTmini and I am pretty happy I did. The only problem I am having is switching from sanding drywall using the liner bag to using my other tools and using the self cleaning bag. When you open the top of the AutoClean the entire undercarriage is completely caked with drywall dust. I have tried many different ways to clean the inside of the vacuum but truth be told it is very difficult and time consuming. the last couple of times I just took the whole thing outside to an open area and used my compressor. I am hoping someone has a better way to clean the inside of the vacuum so that you can switch from the liner bag to the self-cleaning bag quickly.
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Welcome to the forum, Scott. Glad you are finding the Planex a good investment, sorry about the issues you're having with it getting caked with dust. Could you post a photo or email it to me at sho@festoolusa.com so we can see what's going on? Granted, I've never run the Planex all day long, but in my experience there was some dust clinging to the inside of the CT, but I wouldn't call it caked at all. Drywall dust can be messy stuff though.
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Could you just ignore it, put the other bag in, and go?
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Is there a limit to the number of extensions that can be used?
I am currently looking at a job that involves removing popcorn ceiling in a whole home, many of the ceilings are high 12-15' with multiple angles. Seems like the Planex may be my solution but only if I can get to the ceiling with it.
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Ok, so I understand it comes with one extension. With that installed will it reach an 8' ceiling?
(Then I can figure out the number of additional sections that I will need.)
Each extension is about 20" correct?
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I guess it depends on how tall you are but it reached mine fine and I'm slightly under 6'.
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Yea I'm 5'11 so that should work. I just wasn't sure, one of the photos on Festool's website shows sanding of a ceiling with two extensions on. Maybe it's a 9-10' ceiling.
So if I add 3-4 sections that should get me to about 15'.
When using the harness does it effectively lengthen or shorten the usable length over just holding the tool?
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Yes, it can be used for knocking down popcorn or texture on a ceiling. I would recommend 80 or 100 grit. The Planex has two dust extraction options which are selected with a switch on the head: inside the pad or outside the pad. You will want to select outside the pad for this application. Generally, you will select inside the pad for other applications, like drywall sanding. Using extraction on the outside of the pad is best suited when you're creating larger debris rather than fine dust.
That sure sounds like a job that would be better for Cristal, or atleast a paper that is heavier then Brilliant, as many of those popcorn ceilings have some form of paint on them. Since I also sand painted walls that are to be skim coated. Do you have any idea when the Cristal will come to North America? As I use the Planex for general contracting, not just drywall, I find it very limited without the Cristal paper. (I didn't find out the Cristal was available until after the expiry of the 30 day period, otherwise I would have returned it). I'm actually trying to decide if I should sell the Planex as I find it's use too limiting without a proper supply of paper.
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That sure sounds like a job that would be better for Cristal, or atleast a paper that is heavier then Brilliant, as many of those popcorn ceilings have some form of paint on them.
Since I also sand painted walls that are to be skim coated. Do you have any idea when the Cristal will come to North America? As I use the Planex for general contracting, not just drywall, I find it very limited without the Cristal paper. (I didn't find out the Cristal was available until after the expiry of the 30 day period, otherwise I would have returned it).
I'm actually trying to decide if I should sell the Planex as I find it's use too limiting without a proper supply of paper.
I've heard of no plans to introduce Cristal in NA. You do have the option of Saphir in 24 and 36 grits if you need something extremely aggressive. Cristal would only add 40 and 60 grits between what the current Brilliant and Saphir offerings provide.
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I know this is for Planex but i dont want to open up another thread for my quick question. We had an addition put on our house and 3 rooms need to be drywalled. I cant justify the planex for those three rooms, I have an ETS125 and plan to pick up an RO150 to do a few other things around the house (my festool collection keeps growing exponentially  I am also getting a long overdue CT26, Is the reason the Planex requires the CT36AC because of the amount of dust gathered in a short amount of time, or is it truely how fine the drywall dust is and it requires the Autoclean? I ask because, if im doing 3 rooms am i going to blow threw a few filters and bags using the ets125 and RO150 with 150,180,220 grit? trying to make my decision on vacuums, I wont be doing much drywall sanding if ever aside from the random patch here and there every few years. I do audio video work and dont patch drywall so there will be no need for it in the field. TIA!
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For drywall patch, you'll be fine with any of our CTs.
We recommend the AutoClean with the Planex due to the sheer volume of fine dust produced. The AutoClean prevents the filter from getting clogged with that dust in such quantities in a short time.
I would suggest you periodically remove your filter and tap it to loosen any dust. It's not recommended that you use a compressor, which could compromise the HEPA rating if you blow even a small hole into the filter material.
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Wow! thanks for the quick reply shane! Ct26 it is  would you recommend replacing the filter after I get done sanding the three rooms or would tapping it be ok?
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I would tap it real good to clean it out and it should be fine.
Then visually inspect it.
Of course replacing it won't hurt anything, but it may not be absolutely necessary. If you replace it, consider hanging on to the original filter for any future drywall work.
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Sweet! thanks shane for the help and quick responses 
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There is a foreign YouTube video showing the Planex with an led light attachment that lights up the surface around it which is brilliant. I'm guessing its a home made attachment but it would be super cool if festool came out with something like that, it would make sanding even faster being able to see exactly what is happening especially when your moving as fast as you can with a power sander
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Vid of me sanding a popcorn ceiling that had been painted once, worked pretty amazing. That was until the end separated from the extension and hit the floor smashing the guard to pieces. Well it lasted just over 24 hours.
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« Reply #97 on: January 31, 2013, 05:12 PM » |
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I should add that when I took it back to the dealer he said he would replace it no problem and is having one rushed here from another store.
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What abrasive were you using?
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« Reply #99 on: January 31, 2013, 06:31 PM » |
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80 grit, I wish they had a 60 though it would be perfect for this application
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80 grit, I wish they had a 60 though it would be perfect for this application
I second that! I tried using 36 on a ceiling today and there was no way to control it, just too aggressive.
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Ok I just tried out the Planex for a little finish sanding with the 240 grit and it blows the porter cable away, I was a little anxious till now, after rough sanding a job with 150 it seemed a little hard to control but with the 240 its a whole different story, it moves around really nice. I used it to sand my second bathroom which is a tiny 40" wide and about 10' long which would have been near impossible with the PC cause of its size and limited flexibility of the head, the finish was really nice and i was amazed how well it sanded the angles with the front section removed with no dust escape. I cant wait to use it on the job I'm working on right now, I'll try and take a good video possibly with a review and I'm going to try it with the Joest 330 grit that I used with my PC sander, the finish I could achieve with that was unreal.
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I'm no paint expert like our friend Scott, but doesn't paint need a lair face with a little bite to adhere well? Seems like 330 would be too smooth.
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I'm no paint expert like our friend Scott, but doesn't paint need a lair face with a little bite to adhere well? Seems like 330 would be too smooth.
We refer to it as "tooth", in the context of prep and adhesion. I do agree that the Planex is really nice in high grits, but grit stepping with it is really not necessary. I like 240 on many tasks and do not need to go higher. The key is to just sand in between every coat for smoothness. If anyone is confused about that, let me know. We have a cool Planex project coming up.
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The 330 is probably overkill but its really good for getting used to a machine because you can take your time and see what its doing without worrying about over sanding, I was going to move to the 220 grit Joest paper with my PC once I finished the box I had but now its going to be festool 240 I think. The Joest and Festool sandpapers are very similar but the Joest has small perforations throughout it rather than the tool specific holes on the Festool, I cant really comment on performance until I have some time with this Festool paper but so far so good. The key is the softness of the paper, PC paper is like cardboard I tried their 220 once for about 30 seconds and it left swirls like crazy, Festool and Joest is more like fabric, the edges roll up around the sanding pad. As far as adhesion goes thats what the drywall primer is for.
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« Reply #105 on: February 01, 2013, 10:29 PM » |
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I second that! I tried using 36 on a ceiling today and there was no way to control it, just too aggressive. I actually gave the 36 grit a try again today. I have a textured ceiling that was painted and the 80 just wasn't cutting it  I adjusted the speed down to about 2.5 and as long as I kept good pressure on the head it melted away the texture like butter! But if I just let up a bit on the pressure the head would start this wobble with no way to stop it but pull it from the surface completely. After I had 95% of the texture gone I swapped back to the 80grit, turned the speed back up to 5.5 and switched to the center of pad suction to finish the clean up. Every time I use this tool I learn something new and it impresses me even more 
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« Reply #106 on: February 01, 2013, 11:12 PM » |
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We refer to it as "tooth", in the context of prep and adhesion.
Thanks, the proper oral term I was looking for was escaping me. 
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« Reply #107 on: February 01, 2013, 11:20 PM » |
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80 grit, I wish they had a 60 though it would be perfect for this application
I second that! I tried using 36 on a ceiling today and there was no way to control it, just too aggressive. I actually gave the 36 grit a try again today. I have a textured ceiling that was painted and the 80 just wasn't cutting it  I adjusted the speed down to about 2.5 and as long as I kept good pressure on the head it melted away the texture like butter! But if I just let up a bit on the pressure the head would start this wobble with no way to stop it but pull it from the surface completely. After I had 95% of the texture gone I swapped back to the 80grit, turned the speed back up to 5.5 and switched to the center of pad suction to finish the clean up. Every time I use this tool I learn something new and it impresses me even more  Cool! I'll give it a go tomorrow. Thanks man, this is why I love forums like this, usually someone has tried or is willing to try something that might not work
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« Reply #108 on: February 08, 2013, 09:44 PM » |
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http://youtu.be/eHJ5EYBhBkYI think this vid speaks for itself.
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Thanks for another video showing the Planex in action. I saw that you've used the PC 7800. Can you offer your commentary on a comparison between that and the Planex? Edit - Dude, you're blowing through those joints at lightspeed. I did a fair amount of drywall work when I finished my basement and it SUCKED compared to doing it with the Planex. Drywall sanding is probably at the very top of things I would pay someone else to do for me. Unless I had a Planex. 
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Is getting the EPA RRP certification of the CT 36 AutoClean configured with autoclean off and a HEPA filter installed planned?
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Is getting the EPA RRP certification of the CT 36 AutoClean configured with autoclean off and a HEPA filter installed planned?
No plans.
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Is getting the EPA RRP certification of the CT 36 AutoClean configured with autoclean off and a HEPA filter installed planned?
No plans. I was actually thinking about this today.... Are there significant differences in the seals between the Ct36 and the 36ac if you put the HEPA filter and standard bag in? I know it is not HEPA certified but would it perform similar?
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I was actually thinking about this today.... Are there significant differences in the seals between the Ct36 and the 36ac if you put the HEPA filter and standard bag in?
I know it is not HEPA certified but would it perform similar?
No difference in seals. So, in theory, it would perform similarly. In a strict interpretation of the RRP rules, it says that a vacuum cannot be retrofitted with a HEPA filter. Beyond that, the AutoClean functionality could potentially compromise the filtration level of a HEPA filter if it were left installed (edited to clarify - left installed and the AutoClean functionality cycles), yielding the filter effective at less-than-HEPA standards. Using the AutoClean for RRP is not advocated by Festool under any circumstances. Do so at your own risk of being cited and fined. If you just want HEPA for non-RRP purposes, go for it. Just remember to disable the AutoClean while the HEPA filter is installed for the best results.
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Just picked up my Planex and CT36 AC - thanks for all the great info, made outlaying the cash an easier decision.
Tomorrow will be first run with the tool and so far only one question with AC set-up - how exactly is the disposable bag positioned at the front of the extractor? The diagrams are a little vague and I couldn't find any pics/video online. Don't want to end up with dust everywhere on the first go.
Can't wait to get started.
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Just noticed some of you are running the AC without the disposal bag. Shane, what are your thoughts on this?
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I tuck the bag in the grove just over the inside lip so it doesn't over hang the hose port.
As far as I can tell not using a bag does not affect the performance but does make it a mess to empty.
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Shane, Is it possible to get parts for the Planex hose? What I'm looking for is the connector end (495013) and it's not showing in the EKAT yet. What I want to do is replace my regular D36 connector with the flanged Planex one instead of buying another hose.
Another thing about the Planex hose. I believe earlier you mentioned that it was antistatic, but on the Festoolusa site it is listed under non-antistatic hoses. Which is it, anti or non-anti? If it is antistatic, then I would just buy that hose to replace my current hose as it seems a little more flexible than the green hoses. Is this true? Thanks.
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The cuff for the CT 36 AC is not as versatile as the standard cuff. It will not fit the Compact cleaning set or a few of the other tools that require a male hose fit up.
I've had no problem with static with the 36 mm AC hose no matter what operation I've preformed with it.
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Thanks Tom. I realize that the flange would be a problem for some tools, but I use my d27 for pretty much all of my tools (can you tell I don't have enough Festools yet) except for my cleaning sets. I have both the compact and installer sets. I'm sure I can modify the compact set to fit in the d36 connector. As for the installer set, I removed the plastic collar on the receiving end of the handle section as I find the d36 connector has a better grip when you slip it over instead of into the handle. So my situation right now is whether to spend $15 on a Planex connector or $155 on another hose that is pretty much the same as the hose I already have.
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Shane, Is it possible to get parts for the Planex hose? What I'm looking for is the connector end (495013) and it's not showing in the EKAT yet. What I want to do is replace my regular D36 connector with the flanged Planex one instead of buying another hose.
Another thing about the Planex hose. I believe earlier you mentioned that it was antistatic, but on the Festoolusa site it is listed under non-antistatic hoses. Which is it, anti or non-anti? If it is antistatic, then I would just buy that hose to replace my current hose as it seems a little more flexible than the green hoses. Is this true? Thanks.
Ok, I'm not sure if I completely understand what you're trying to do. So hang with me here. The CT AC comes with the Planex black hose. It's not sold separately, which is sometimes a misconception. So, you don't need to buy the flange for your current hose if you're going to get a CT AC. If you're planning to use your non-AC CT with the Planex, yes, you should be able to buy the connector with the flange. Just give the service department a buzz and they can hook you up. Their number's below in my signature. The Planex/CTAC hose is anti-static. I had put it in the wrong category on the website. Sorry about that. And, yes, it is made to be much more flexible AND lighter weight than the standard green hose. Shane
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« Reply #121 on: March 27, 2013, 08:16 PM » |
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Thanks Tom. I realize that the flange would be a problem for some tools, but I use my d27 for pretty much all of my tools (can you tell I don't have enough Festools yet) except for my cleaning sets. I have both the compact and installer sets. I'm sure I can modify the compact set to fit in the d36 connector.
If you cut the bell off the end off the bent hand piece for the Compact set wand, the AC hose will fit. The wand handle becomes a male fit as opposed to the female fit. The other tools plug into the hose as male without modification. Tom
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LostInTheWood
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« Reply #122 on: March 27, 2013, 09:53 PM » |
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Thanks guys that helps my decision process.
Shane.....sorry just to clarify, I have the CT26 as I need it for RRP and don't plan on buying the CT AC. I do mostly small scale remodeling, so I don't think I'm going to kill my CT26 with the Planex.
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