Author Topic: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?  (Read 36050 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Holmz

  • Posts: 4010
Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #60 on: September 02, 2015, 05:18 PM »
...
I definitely prefer Mirka Abranet sanding discs over conventional sandpaper, so I'm wondering if the Mirka Abranet pad protector will line up with the dust collection holes in the ETS EC 6" so I could use Abranet discs with the ETS EC.  Anyone know about that? 

Thanks

I have not seen the pad protector, but with a screen there are no holes that need to be aligned as there are holes every 1/2-mm in the screen.

If you have 220v in your shop you could get the 220v out of Finland. You get the 20% VAT removed, and the shipping is usually $50.

Festool USA does not pre-approve the contents of this website nor endorse the application or use of any Festool product in any way other than in the manner described in the Festool Instruction Manual. To reduce the risk of serious injury and/or damage to your Festool product, always read, understand and follow all warnings and instructions in your Festool product's Instruction Manual. Although Festool strives for accuracy in the website material, the website may contain inaccuracies. Festool makes no representations about the accuracy, reliability, completeness or timeliness of the material on this website or about the results to be obtained from using the website. Festool and its affiliates cannot be responsible for improper postings or your reliance on the website's material. Your use of any material contained on this website is entirely at your own risk. The content contained on this site is provided for informational purposes only and does not constitute professional advice.


Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #61 on: September 03, 2015, 02:57 PM »
SteveRice: I am equally saddened to hear about repeat Mirka failures. Seems like they had a bad batch or something.  [eek] In my own and my colleagues experiences Mirka is at least on par with Festool quality wise.

I have used the ETS EC 150 extensively the past couple of weeks but I still miss my Mirka Deros. I made a bad choice in switching but it works alright and since I have a plug it/vac cable it is the "best compromise".  If I found a way to plug it a Deros I would switch back - for sure.

As a side note my Festool RTS 400 sander is STILL not up to par despite having been sent in once already - it was brand new - it still does not perform as it should - very weak in power which we all agreed on in the shop, we all have one.

After dismantling it and, greasing it up and putting it together again and working the shroud a bit it is a little bit better but that is nothing that I should have to do on a NEW unit. Next step will be to send it in - yet again - with the previous service tag still left on it...  [mad]

Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline Holmz

  • Posts: 4010
Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #62 on: September 03, 2015, 05:51 PM »
SteveRice: I am equally saddened to hear about repeat Mirka failures. Seems like they had a bad batch or something.  [eek] In my own and my colleagues experiences Mirka is at least on par with Festool quality wise.
...

I recall reading that they were mostly with 110v versions.
It was somewhat odd as I thought that the basic tool was DC, but then the older CEROS also had some power supply failures on 110v.
That is what had me looking strictly at 230v models.

Offline kcufstoidi

  • Posts: 764
Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #63 on: September 03, 2015, 08:26 PM »
i have purchased 5 seperate mirka deros 6" 650 sanders, each one had a problem,
they all stopped working after moderate use, or if it stopped working at 10000rpm.
luckily i bought them from amazon, so kept swapping them. the 6" pad mirka provides
is not well balanced and each pad is a different weight and spinning at 10000rpm, they
would get wobbly and stop itself. there is also the stop if too hot problem, i had two
do that for about 2-5 days of purchase and then never turn on again.
i have called mirka in ohio and they swear up and down there is no problem, never heard of
such issue. well i said i bought from amazon, so within 30 days, each bad unit goes back
and funny thing, none of them ever showed on amazon warehouse, which means all
went back to mirka to get repaired.

mirka deros has one advantage, sander is light, so if doing above the head work, work at odd angles,
this is the go to unit, but cant work at 10000rpm, 9000 rpm, 8000 rpm for long, not a selling point.

mirka deros with the festool sandpaper leaves alot of dust as the festool sandpaper does not
have all the suction openings that the pad provides.

i am ordering the ets ec 150 because after 5 mirka deros, and none function, its done.
the ets ec 150 has a slow down speed if wobbly or out of balance feature, the mirka is shut down
if wobbly, there is a difference, imho.

As a followup to your experience I was discussing the Deros with a Dealer in the Toronto area who also sells Dynabrade, and he said while he sells them he has to check everyone before they ship them out, 1 in 4 is bad right out of the box and even with the precheck they have had many service related problems. Once again this is only heresay and came up in the course of a conversation about getting some Abralon pads.

John 

Offline jcp2wood

  • Posts: 48
Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #64 on: September 03, 2015, 09:46 PM »
so i have a question to everyone who claims to own a 6" deros,
did you use a pad saver on top of your pad?
if so did you alter the weights on the rotor under the pad?
i bet i get yes and no from the few people who own a deros, and how
many have used 10000rpm?
i suspect there are alot more faulty mirka deros than people are will to bother with
and how many can run their deros continiously for more than 20 min without that
dreaded red light instead of green power light?

i got 5 lemons? sure, but what are the odds of 5 units from amazon all coming
from same batch all being bad?

i protected myself buy using amazon, not a third party, i am not sure mirka in ohio was
going to stand up for their product, the tech rep was hoping i would just return product to
amazon and go away.

this is why i buy festool.


i have purchased 5 seperate mirka deros 6" 650 sanders, each one had a problem,
they all stopped working after moderate use, or if it stopped working at 10000rpm.
luckily i bought them from amazon, so kept swapping them. the 6" pad mirka provides
is not well balanced and each pad is a different weight and spinning at 10000rpm, they
would get wobbly and stop itself. there is also the stop if too hot problem, i had two
do that for about 2-5 days of purchase and then never turn on again.
i have called mirka in ohio and they swear up and down there is no problem, never heard of
such issue. well i said i bought from amazon, so within 30 days, each bad unit goes back
and funny thing, none of them ever showed on amazon warehouse, which means all
went back to mirka to get repaired.

mirka deros has one advantage, sander is light, so if doing above the head work, work at odd angles,
this is the go to unit, but cant work at 10000rpm, 9000 rpm, 8000 rpm for long, not a selling point.

mirka deros with the festool sandpaper leaves alot of dust as the festool sandpaper does not
have all the suction openings that the pad provides.

i am ordering the ets ec 150 because after 5 mirka deros, and none function, its done.
the ets ec 150 has a slow down speed if wobbly or out of balance feature, the mirka is shut down
if wobbly, there is a difference, imho.

As a followup to your experience I was discussing the Deros with a Dealer in the Toronto area who also sells Dynabrade, and he said while he sells them he has to check everyone before they ship them out, 1 in 4 is bad right out of the box and even with the precheck they have had many service related problems. Once again this is only heresay and came up in the course of a conversation about getting some Abralon pads.

John

Offline Kev

  • Posts: 7651
Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #65 on: September 04, 2015, 05:05 AM »
Reliability is one of the reasons I gravitate towards Festool products. The Mirka stuff has looked tempting, but I haven't been able to sample "the feel" locally .. so I haven't risked it.

Stories of multiple fails doesn't improve the cause .. @jcp2wood , do you have a Mirka now?

Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #66 on: October 12, 2015, 02:40 PM »
Since I am all for being totally honest when it comes to woodworking tools and regardless of brand I feel I need to post an update on the Mirka vs Festool: still prefer the Mirka in action over the ETX EC 150 but yesterday the Mirka Deros cable "gave up" and the machine stopped working. After checking it thoroughly we came to the conclusion that the power cord was "worn out" and had failed. We could get the Deros to spin a little by wiggling the cord.

Since the cord attachment isn't a standard fitting we have to order a new cable, hopefully we can pick one up from a demo machine for the time being.

Sucks when power tools fail. I pulled out the ETS EC 150 and it did a nice job. :)

I have had a few plug it cord fails over the years so I don't think Festool is necessarily better but I do like that I can switch Plug-It cords and even replace broken Plug-It cables and connectors on the fly. I have a small box of spares, just in case.

« Last Edit: October 12, 2015, 02:42 PM by Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits »
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline Steve-Rice

  • Posts: 291
Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #67 on: October 14, 2015, 09:58 PM »
I was originally very interested in the Mirka Deros and I've been a long time user of Mirka Abranet on my old DeWalt ROS, but the many stories of Deros failures and poor Mirka customer service eventually influenced me to purchase the ETS EC 150/3.

I used a hole punch to modify a 150mm Mirka pad protector to match the Festool 17 hole pattern and fitted it to my ETS EC. Now I'm able to use Abranet abrasives with the ETS EC and I couldn't be happier with the results. The ETS EC just glides effortlessly over the wood, even with my new CT 26 turned up to MAX suction. I don't notice any vibration at all and the near instant stop of the pad brake makes the ETS EC a complete joy to use.  The on/off switch on the ETS EC has an advantage over the Deros paddle switch because I don't have to hold the sander and instead can guide the sander by the hose on large surfaces, eliminating a lot of bending and reaching, for a much more comfortable sanding experience. I also prefer the speed dial as opposed to the Deros buttons.

All in all, I'm extremely pleased with my choice to stay with a Festool product.  I always disliked sanding, but now I honestly look forward to it. I LOVE this sander!
« Last Edit: October 14, 2015, 10:05 PM by Steve-Rice »

Offline morrisericd

  • Posts: 14
Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #68 on: October 15, 2015, 07:15 AM »
A very timely thread for me.  I have an assortment of Festool sanders including the Rotex 150 and a couple of ETS 6" 3mm strokes.  I went in to look at the new ETS EC yesterday and also demo'd the Deros 550 5mm.  The Deros felt really nice even in the 5mm stroke and really took down material quickly.  They didn't have a demo of the ETS but I did turn it one and I like the ergonomics.  Here's the question: I need a sander that removes material quicker than the ETS but not as aggressive as the Rotex.  I think the Deros could be it.  Or is it the ETS EC in the 5 mm?  We do a lot of sanding furniture and custom cabinetry. 

Next question: I almost always gravitate towards a 6" over a 5" sander.  Even on smaller face frames, etc. I don't mind the bigger pad and it's really nice to have on bigger stuff.  Is the Deros 6" 5mm going to feel similar to the 5" I demo'd or is it going to be too aggressive?  Same question for the Festool.  Thanks!

Offline leakyroof

  • Posts: 2065
Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #69 on: October 15, 2015, 11:20 AM »
A very timely thread for me.  I have an assortment of Festool sanders including the Rotex 150 and a couple of ETS 6" 3mm strokes.  I went in to look at the new ETS EC yesterday and also demo'd the Deros 550 5mm.  The Deros felt really nice even in the 5mm stroke and really took down material quickly.  They didn't have a demo of the ETS but I did turn it one and I like the ergonomics.  Here's the question: I need a sander that removes material quicker than the ETS but not as aggressive as the Rotex.  I think the Deros could be it.  Or is it the ETS EC in the 5 mm?  We do a lot of sanding furniture and custom cabinetry. 

Next question: I almost always gravitate towards a 6" over a 5" sander.  Even on smaller face frames, etc. I don't mind the bigger pad and it's really nice to have on bigger stuff.  Is the Deros 6" 5mm going to feel similar to the 5" I demo'd or is it going to be too aggressive?  Same question for the Festool.  Thanks!
Can't speak about the Mirka sanders, but I own both versions of the older ETS 150 sander and the 5mm orbit is def. faster in material removal than the 3mm.
 Both are lighter than the Rotex and not as tiring to use even with the Rotex in the gentler ROS mode, but none of them are as light as my new ETS EC 150/5 sander.
 The EC is as aggessive as the older ETS that it replaces for me, and maybe even more so since I feel there is more power in this sander than either older ETS model.
 But I haven't done any timed test between the two versions to be sure, and not just subjective.
 I also own the 6"/ 150mm Rotex, and while you always have that option of the dual modes, it's probably going to become strictly a rough job sander for me since the new EC is so da@# light and powerful, esp. in a Vertical/Wall usage or overhead for ceilings.  Not that I used my Rotex for ceilings really ever, but you get my meaning right.... the new sander is an eye opener.
 I may yet get the 3mm version of it later if the 5mm one that I have now is any indication.
 I don't own any of Festool's 5"/125mm sanders, so I can't comment on them versus any other brand.
Not as many Sanders as PA Floor guy.....

Offline Steve-Rice

  • Posts: 291
Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #70 on: October 15, 2015, 12:33 PM »
A very timely thread for me.  I have an assortment of Festool sanders including the Rotex 150 and a couple of ETS 6" 3mm strokes.  I went in to look at the new ETS EC yesterday and also demo'd the Deros 550 5mm.  The Deros felt really nice even in the 5mm stroke and really took down material quickly.  They didn't have a demo of the ETS but I did turn it one and I like the ergonomics.  Here's the question: I need a sander that removes material quicker than the ETS but not as aggressive as the Rotex.  I think the Deros could be it.  Or is it the ETS EC in the 5 mm?  We do a lot of sanding furniture and custom cabinetry. 

Next question: I almost always gravitate towards a 6" over a 5" sander.  Even on smaller face frames, etc. I don't mind the bigger pad and it's really nice to have on bigger stuff.  Is the Deros 6" 5mm going to feel similar to the 5" I demo'd or is it going to be too aggressive?  Same question for the Festool.  Thanks!

As far as the Festool ETS EC sanders are concerned and your question regarding 5" vs. 6", the 5" ETS EC only comes in the 3mm orbit, so if you want an agressive sander, I believe the 6" 5mm ETS EC would be your choice between the two.

As far as the Mirka Deros is concerned, I believe thier 6" Deros may also come in an 8mm orbit, which I would imagine is more aggressive than thier 6" Deros with a 5mm orbit.  I think their 5" Deros only comes in a 5mm orbit - But you should verify this as I'm not certain what is available in which countries.

Hope this helps...

UPDATE: I just checked and I believe the 8MM Deros is available in Europe only.  My apologies for the confusion.
« Last Edit: October 16, 2015, 09:16 AM by Steve-Rice »

Offline NorthSound

  • Posts: 1
Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #71 on: October 15, 2015, 02:55 PM »
Hi everyone! Been lurking here awhile and this is my first post. In southern Finland I run a hobby/semi-pro luthiery shop (and build home furniture to justify all the cool machines). My first fix was a TS55 REBQ  then CTL26 and, well, you all know the story:) Within a year the colour scheme in my small shop has turned to green. Blues and yellows... all gone. Last to go was a Mirka Ceros 125. I was on a fence for a long time on whether it'll be the Deros 125/150 combo or Festool ETS EC 150. Once Festool came up with the EC 125 it was a no-brainer. Performance-wise my old Ceros 125 was/is excellent but the transformer (no plug-it) and need for an extra adaptor for the hose was a bit cumbersome. The Festool hose would fit the new Deros but cable was still different. A definite BIG plus was the possibility to use two size(125/150) pads in one machine. Not the case with Festool ETS EC :( Size, weight, price in both machines are quite comparable...so...When the ETS EC 125 version was launched I thought I could fit 125 pads to a 150 machine as they look exactly alike. Nope :( ...I couldn't give up 'cos I could already taste the green... So, I made them fit. Probably I shouldn't give the details here? The machines are both really good so to me it was the little things: plug-it cord and a good stock of 150mm Festool sandpaper I allready had that didn't quite fit the Mirka hole pattern. I 'm quite happy with my choice. The system approach is great! Oh, and I chose the 3mm stroke. The guitar below was a delight to work on with green gear compared to ones before.

Offline Steve-Rice

  • Posts: 291
Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #72 on: October 16, 2015, 09:12 AM »
For those of you who are considering a Mirka Deros sander, I just received an email from Peachtree Woodworking supply (ptreeusa.com) that Mirka is having a mail in rebate promotion and giving away 105 free Abranet sanding discs with the purchase of a Deros sander. 

The odd number of 105 discs is because they are including 3: 35 disc Abranet assortment packs, which contains 5 discs of the following grits: 80, 120, 180, 240, 320, 400 & 600, so (for those of you who are mathematically challenged) you wind up with 15 sanding discs of each of those grits.

I'm guessing Mirka is offering this mail in rebate incentive now because they are feeling the competition from the introduction of the Festool ETS EC, but that's just a guess on my part  [big grin]

Offline hemdale

  • Posts: 109
Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #73 on: October 16, 2015, 06:27 PM »
Got a Deros. Couldnt be happier [emoji6]

Offline Holmz

  • Posts: 4010
Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #74 on: October 16, 2015, 07:50 PM »
Got a Deros. Couldnt be happier [emoji6]

Which begs the question as to how much less happier one would be with the other?
It is not like they are bad.

Northsound had both so it sounds like the plug it was the deciding factor for him.


Offline sae

  • Posts: 841
Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #75 on: October 16, 2015, 09:49 PM »
Depends how wisely you spend the $100 price difference.

Though I guess elsewhere the prices are the same.

Offline Holmz

  • Posts: 4010
Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #76 on: October 16, 2015, 10:00 PM »
Depends how wisely you spend the $100 price difference.

Though I guess elsewhere the prices are the same.

^yes^ - and if you have 220/230v already too.

Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #77 on: October 18, 2015, 07:46 AM »
Got a Deros. Couldnt be happier [emoji6]

Which begs the question as to how much less happier one would be with the other?
It is not like they are bad.

Northsound had both so it sounds like the plug it was the deciding factor for him.

I also had both - at the same time for a while - and the plug it was the deciding factor for me. If I had been able to fit a plug it to the Deros I would not have gotten the ETS EC. Now that I have it, I am pleased with it. I sanded down walls and a ceiling the other day (small room) and for that the ETS EC trumps the Deros.  I have a pad saver on the ETS EC - for me it is a must have.
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #78 on: October 18, 2015, 07:53 AM »
.  Here's the question: I need a sander that removes material quicker than the ETS but not as aggressive as the Rotex.  I think the Deros could be it.  Or is it the ETS EC in the 5 mm?  We do a lot of sanding furniture and custom cabinetry. 

Next question: I almost always gravitate towards a 6" over a 5" sander.  Even on smaller face frames, etc. I don't mind the bigger pad and it's really nice to have on bigger stuff.  Is the Deros 6" 5mm going to feel similar to the 5" I demo'd or is it going to be too aggressive?  Same question for the Festool.  Thanks!

The Deros takes down sheets and panels more rapidly than the ETS EC 150/5 in my comparison with same grit. Both machines are a great sidekick to the Rotex 150. I would not get a 125 to complement the Rotex, I would get another same size pad. But then again I have a few other non circular sanders too. I fell that the ETS EC 150 is a little underpowered for aggressive sanding but it was never meant to be another Rotex. Festool calls it an intermediate sander - which is exactly what it is. It can be used succesfully as a finishing sander too but it is not a Rotex. I find the Deros bridging the gap a little more but not by a huge margin.
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline morrisericd

  • Posts: 14
Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #79 on: October 18, 2015, 08:58 AM »
I was able to take home both the 5" Deros 5mm and the ETS EC 6" Festool 5mm for the weekend and Monday.  My local Festool and Mirka supplier is the best!  I used both yesterday for a couple of hours and have a lot of sanding to do on Monday when they'll get the real test.  I also threw in my ETS 6" 3mm a few times for comparison.  My initial thoughts are that the Festool is well laid out and I really like the 5mm stroke.  I went into this thinking I should get the Deros and I do really like it but do I like it more than the Festool?  I'm still not sure.  It's a cool little sander (I really should have the 6" Deros for comparison to the ETS but they don't have it - I'd have to order it) and I really like it but there's the cord issue (not easily swappable with other Festools) and I'm still not sure about the paddle.  When I sand really big table tops and other large items I tend to let the sander float and move my hand around quite a bit on the tool.  Not going to be able to do that with the Deros.  Also - and this is something I'm sure I would get used to - when changing paper I kept accidentally turning on the sander when I was holding it upside down in my hand.  Small quibble.

I found the 5" Deros removing stock as fast if not faster than the 6" Festool.  The smaller sander was nice on edges.  It did look small after my 6" ETS and the ETS EC but it was efficient.

I'll have to decide Monday I guess.

Offline leakyroof

  • Posts: 2065
Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #80 on: October 18, 2015, 09:16 AM »
I was able to take home both the 5" Deros 5mm and the ETS EC 6" Festool 5mm for the weekend and Monday.  My local Festool and Mirka supplier is the best!  I used both yesterday for a couple of hours and have a lot of sanding to do on Monday when they'll get the real test.  I also threw in my ETS 6" 3mm a few times for comparison.  My initial thoughts are that the Festool is well laid out and I really like the 5mm stroke.  I went into this thinking I should get the Deros and I do really like it but do I like it more than the Festool?  I'm still not sure.  It's a cool little sander (I really should have the 6" Deros for comparison to the ETS but they don't have it - I'd have to order it) and I really like it but there's the cord issue (not easily swappable with other Festools) and I'm still not sure about the paddle.  When I sand really big table tops and other large items I tend to let the sander float and move my hand around quite a bit on the tool.  Not going to be able to do that with the Deros.  Also - and this is something I'm sure I would get used to - when changing paper I kept accidentally turning on the sander when I was holding it upside down in my hand.  Small quibble.

I found the 5" Deros removing stock as fast if not faster than the 6" Festool.  The smaller sander was nice on edges.  It did look small after my 6" ETS and the ETS EC but it was efficient.

I'll have to decide Monday I guess.
. I've heard the accidental paper changing 'trick' from other Deros owners , so you're not alone with turning the the sander while changing the disc.... [embarassed]
Not as many Sanders as PA Floor guy.....

Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #81 on: October 18, 2015, 01:28 PM »
...been there... ...done that...  [big grin]

I think you stumbled on the main differences already. I think the paddle works great when you have a lot of sheets/panels you need to go through. Also I find sanding to be more consistent when you don't move your hand around the machine that much - it is very evident between spraypainting coats or delicate surfaces where I think the Deros excels.

I think you should really compare same size sanders but apart from that I think you already know what it is all about, two great sanders. Remember that the Mirka Deros has a disadvantage with the power cord and if you are sanding and switching machines a lot you will find it a nuisance! Then you should go for Festool.

(At the shop we have a dedicated Festool Vac permanently hooked up to the Deros at a sanding station so no problems there.)
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline morrisericd

  • Posts: 14
Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #82 on: October 19, 2015, 06:52 AM »
Thanks for the insight!  Have you used the 6" Deros?  If I go Deros I'm still not sure about the 6" vs. the 5".

Offline Holmz

  • Posts: 4010
Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #83 on: October 19, 2015, 08:49 AM »
There is a 5" version and 6" version.
In 230v (220-240v) there is a version that does both... That requires the transformer from timberwolf.com .

It is either a negative or a positive. Positive is if it opens up the rest of the Euro range. Or you go 220v from an oven style outlet.
(Just to add complication of more tool options - like NAINA)

Offline morrisericd

  • Posts: 14
Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #84 on: October 20, 2015, 07:01 AM »
I will be using it on a job site as much as in my shop so the 220 version is probably not in the cards (both lugging the transformer around and finding a 220 outlet on a job site doesn't work for me).  Any idea out there when the version with both pads will be released in the US?

Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #85 on: October 20, 2015, 02:22 PM »
I owned the 6" version of the Deros. My experience with it has been great and I do miss it from time to time. We still have a 6" Deros in the workshop so I still get to use one so I am not complaining.

Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline jzhu

  • Posts: 9
Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #86 on: December 16, 2015, 12:02 AM »
I will be using it on a job site as much as in my shop so the 220 version is probably not in the cards (both lugging the transformer around and finding a 220 outlet on a job site doesn't work for me).  Any idea out there when the version with both pads will be released in the US?

I contacted Mirka Canada customer service, they told me this 5" pad (part # 915GV28-130g)
http://www.mirka.com/accessories/Backing-Pads1/#/8292502511/Backing%20Pad%20Net%20125mm%205/16%22%20Grip%2028H%20130g%20Medium is balanced to run on the 6" Deros.

Offline mo siopa

  • Posts: 80
Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #87 on: June 29, 2016, 06:34 PM »
Steve Johnson (the down to earth woodworker) did a comparison of the Deros, ETS and Bosch sanders.  You can find his youtube video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsNAx-H_xMs&feature=youtu.be

Looks like the Deros came out on top in all of his tests.  Unfortunately, Steve did not compare the dust collection on the various sanders, but his findings are interesting, none the less.

I didn't see that anyone else mentioned this. It is the ETS 150 he reviewed- not the ETS EC 150.  Wood magazine did a review recently and has the Festool as the top tool.  The Deros was close though.
Can somebody tell me what kind of a world we live in where a man, dressed up as a bat, gets all of my press?

Offline Construct

  • Posts: 3
Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #88 on: July 05, 2016, 04:09 PM »
Steve Johnson (the down to earth woodworker) did a comparison of the Deros, ETS and Bosch sanders.  You can find his youtube video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsNAx-H_xMs&feature=youtu.be

Looks like the Deros came out on top in all of his tests.  Unfortunately, Steve did not compare the dust collection on the various sanders, but his findings are interesting, none the less.

I didn't see that anyone else mentioned this. It is the ETS 150 he reviewed- not the ETS EC 150.  Wood magazine did a review recently and has the Festool as the top tool.  The Deros was close though.

Good point. The ETS EC series is a relatively recent product. You have to be careful when reading reviews and comparisons that are more than a year or so old.

Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #89 on: April 11, 2018, 09:49 AM »
I am still working both machines at the workshop. I can't say I prefer one over the other. Both have failed despite being used indoors in a controlled environment without excessive abuse. They are both great machines when they work though.

I have no experience with Mirka repairs as it has been a case of replacing the power cord with the Mirka. I think Mirka should have handed out replacement cords for free. At least we now have a vendor that sells them at a reasonable price and we have beefed up the machine and have had no issues after that.

I have been without the ETS EC 150 for FIVE weeks now - it is currently missing at Festool. I have heaps of sanding to do and this does tick me off a bit. On a five star level Festool gets a frosty one star.
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.