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Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #90 on: April 11, 2018, 09:56 AM »
Paul:

I am also one of those that have appeared in multiple threads, posting my "displeasure". If I was in the market for the machine I would have appreciated repeat warnings about reliability issues. I don't know how you define a "legitimate complaint" but as a professional user of Festool machines (and I have had far more over the years than my profile shows) I still don't take personal offence when someone else bashes tools I like or whether they support my frustration or not.

When you write "We understand that you're upset..." you do mean YOU - or have you become an official spokesperson for the collective mindset on the Forum? Just asking.

Personally I find complaints about complaints a bit silly. Even if I probably take it to the next level by complaining about your complaining about a complaint.  [big grin]

We understand that you're upset with Festool for your sander issues. However, posting your displeasure more than a dozen times across multiple threads in the past couple of days is becoming annoying. If you have a legitimate complaint, there are better ways of expressing it.

I agree that not all sanders produce equal finishes. I don’t agree that festool makes a quality ets ec sander that is reliable. If you use the tool a lot, look for another brand to buy. Festool knows who their victims are, I mean that they are cashed out.

EDIT: I usually sell off my tools after the warranty period and simply buy them new again. Even most Festools I have.
I do keep them as pristine as I possibly can in order to be able to sell them at a reasonable price with a clean conscience knowing that I have taken care of the tool - offering the Festool experience for someone else to dip their teeth in the Kool Aid and hopefully appreciate them as I have.

The ETS EC 150 is one of those Festool machines I can neither recommend nor do I think I will be able to sell mine off with a clear conscience - if I ever get it back from Festool. It doesn't really matter that it is a very good sander in use. It is on the "Lemon List" of Festools, up there with the Kapex and the Carvex.
 
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Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #91 on: April 11, 2018, 10:08 AM »
Paul:

I am also one of those that have appeared in multiple threads, posting my "displeasure". If I was in the market for the machine I would have appreciated repeat warnings about reliability issues. I don't know how you define a "legitimate complaint" but as a professional user of Festool machines (and I have had far more over the years than my profile shows) I still don't take personal offence when someone else bashes tools I like or whether they support my frustration or not.

When you write "We understand that you're upset..." you do mean YOU - or have you become an official spokesperson for the collective mindset on the Forum? Just asking.

Personally I find complaints about complaints a bit silly. Even if I probably take it to the next level by complaining about your complaining about a complaint.  [big grin]

We understand that you're upset with Festool for your sander issues. However, posting your displeasure more than a dozen times across multiple threads in the past couple of days is becoming annoying. If you have a legitimate complaint, there are better ways of expressing it.

I agree that not all sanders produce equal finishes. I don’t agree that festool makes a quality ets ec sander that is reliable. If you use the tool a lot, look for another brand to buy. Festool knows who their victims are, I mean that they are cashed out.

There is a limit to what is a realistic complaint, letting people know about the issue, restating it a couple times, and what is simply throwing a tantrum and trashing up a host of topics.

There is also a difference between posting about a problem and just using the forum to take shots at Festool because of the problem.

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Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #92 on: April 11, 2018, 10:22 AM »
I'm not taking personal offense at all.

The member I referred to jumped into several other threads for the sole purpose of bashing a product. There is a definite line between voicing a legitimate concern on the forum, and criticizing a product at every opportunity. One is constructive and the other quickly becomes annoying. When I said "we understand" I was referring to the fact that I'm not the first person to ask him to stop derailing conversations with his need to rant.

I am also one of those that have appeared in multiple threads, posting my "displeasure". If I was in the market for the machine I would have appreciated repeat warnings about reliability issues. I don't know how you define a "legitimate complaint" but as a professional user of Festool machines (and I have had far more over the years than my profile shows) I still don't take personal offence when someone else bashes tools I like or whether they support my frustration or not.

When you write "We understand that you're upset..." you do mean YOU - or have you become an official spokesperson for the collective mindset on the Forum? Just asking.
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Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #93 on: April 12, 2018, 05:36 AM »
I'm just confused why this old thread is resurrected.  I worked back and is there a post that has been deleted between that of Construct in JUL2016 and PaulH99 yesterday?  Just seems like a lot of aimless ranting.  Henryk seems to have a big gripe out of nowhere also.  Most confusing.

Aside from all this...What I did want to say though was I find my Mirka Deros probably the best sander I will ever own.  It is just such a pleasure to use compared to all my other sanders or sanders I've ever tried for what it is designed to do which it does so well.  And you can't beat that whole Abranet stuff either which now I see recently Festool is also adopting.  FWIW......and mini rant over.....I think.....lol!
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Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #94 on: April 12, 2018, 09:50 AM »
I'm just confused why this old thread is resurrected.  I worked back and is there a post that has been deleted between that of Construct in JUL2016 and PaulH99 yesterday?  Just seems like a lot of aimless ranting.  Henryk seems to have a big gripe out of nowhere also.  Most confusing.

Aside from all this...What I did want to say though was I find my Mirka Deros probably the best sander I will ever own.  It is just such a pleasure to use compared to all my other sanders or sanders I've ever tried for what it is designed to do which it does so well.  And you can't beat that whole Abranet stuff either which now I see recently Festool is also adopting.  FWIW......and mini rant over.....I think.....lol!

Hi,

  Sorry for the confusion.  There had been a trolling post deleted. I missed the quoted version. 


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