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Offline DirtyOldMan

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ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« on: June 05, 2015, 01:45 AM »
Considering purchasing another finishing sander and can't decide between the two. Many people have stated that the Mirka was in a different league compared to the non EC ETS. I guess my question is if the new ETS EC is as good as the Deros?

At the moment the bulk of my sanding is done with a Metabo SXE450 which performs very well but ergonomically flawed for non horizontal work. Mostly a weight issue but also difficult to control single handed. Also will be acquiring a Rotex 90 very soon, not sure if that should affect my choice.

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Offline sae

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Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2015, 02:05 AM »
If you've ever used an air sander with the paddle control, the Mirka will come closest to replicating that experience. Once you've adapted yourself to that level of control, nothing else is worth considering.

Not really sure why Festool didn't consider a paddle control, they make air sanders themselves afterall...

Offline Kev

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Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2015, 02:19 AM »
The thing that concerned me about Mirka in Australia was their tiny penetration and the prospect of warranty and support issues ... this is also a significant negative for me with Mafell. I don't fear this with Festool.

I haven't tried the EC's yet ... but I'll assume they're a worthwhile upgrade from the ETS150, which is a really good sander.

As with most things - trying them first hand is key.

I do like the idea of the new EC and the new integrated hose!

Offline DirtyOldMan

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Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2015, 03:49 AM »
I have never used an air sander but have read numerous posts raving about them being much nicer to use.

Completely with you on the whole very limited support in oz aspect Kev. That is why I am hoping the EC is as good or nearly as good.

Offline Holmz

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Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2015, 08:16 AM »
The first decent sander I got was a UVA 115 e.
But it is orbital and not 'random orbital', and there is  almost no vibation, and the speed goes pretty high.

Someone convinced me that the DEROS is the best for drywall or vertical and overhead.
I have not tried the Red verson of a RO, and I have no idea what the vibration is like on an ETS.

Howeve the ETS and DEROS both seem well regarded.
I was looking at a DEROS, but then decided that I do not really need an RO sander.
However I found a place in Finland will sell the DEROS 5/6" combo in 220v (which is the one you want), ext VAT for 560 Euro, and 55 Euro for shipping.
... the 5/6" DEROS combo comes in at 890 AUD - so under the magik amount.
But it is almost twice the Festool price.
The straing 5" or straight 6" was ~750 AUD from memory.

The DEROS or maybe CEROS, also comes in a /5 model and/or /8 model.
I have no idea whether that is improtant, but as you are in Brissy, maybe you do yacht building?

Offline Jimmy FineCut

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Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2015, 08:24 AM »
I own a mirka deros and really rate it. I was going to buy the ets ec 150, but I tried one in my local store and found it bigger and not as comfortable in hand. The deros also felt lighter but not sure on the weights of the two sanders.

I also prefer the air paddle style like sae said.

Overall I find it a very comfortable, low noise, dust free sander when hooked up to a vac, o and it comes in a yellow systanier. [tongue]

I guess it comes down to which feels better to you in hand, so go check them out in a store if possible.

Jimmy

Offline Steve-Rice

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Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2015, 12:10 PM »
Steve Johnson (the down to earth woodworker) did a comparison of the Deros, ETS and Bosch sanders.  You can find his youtube video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsNAx-H_xMs&feature=youtu.be

Looks like the Deros came out on top in all of his tests.  Unfortunately, Steve did not compare the dust collection on the various sanders, but his findings are interesting, none the less.

Offline jonny round boy

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Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2015, 01:38 PM »
Steve Johnson (the down to earth woodworker) did a comparison of the Deros, ETS and Bosch sanders.  You can find his youtube video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsNAx-H_xMs&feature=youtu.be

Looks like the Deros came out on top in all of his tests.  Unfortunately, Steve did not compare the dust collection on the various sanders, but his findings are interesting, none the less.

I just clicked on that & watched the first 30 seconds, and I seriously had to check that I hadn't accidentally altered my YouTube settings & turned the playback speed down...
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Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2015, 02:48 AM »
Dust extraction on the Deros is at least on par with Festool. At least. It is certainly no lesser.

I own and use both the Deros and the ETS EC 5. I actually sold my Deros since we have one permanently attached to a Vac in shop but should I do it all over again I would get the Deros.

I bought the ETS EC since I needed a light plug it connected sander at the work station and the Deros is not possible to fit a Plug It cable unless you are into serious modification.
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline Holmz

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Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2015, 06:06 AM »
...Looks like the Deros came out on top in all of his tests.  Unfortunately, Steve did not compare the dust collection on the various sanders, but his findings are interesting, none the less.

To be fair, Mirka has been doing sanders for years.
It would be pretty noteworthy is Festool could deliver a better sanding machine, but it does beg the question as to the R&D staff and funding that Bosch, Festool, Mirka etc devote funds towards.

As a kid I recall seeing men walking on the moon, and had a little astronaut jumpsuit that I wore out. At that time I pretty much had the impression that everything was invented and fully figured out. It was not until much later that I realised that science and technology are still advancing.

So I personally find it refreshing that we can debate whether a Mirka sander is better than a Festool sander... It is pretty much like debating whether a Maserati is better than a Ferrari, or whether Kate Blanchet is more stunning than Kate Winslet.

Offline Kev

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Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2015, 07:48 AM »
Steve Johnson (the down to earth woodworker) did a comparison of the Deros, ETS and Bosch sanders.  You can find his youtube video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsNAx-H_xMs&feature=youtu.be

Looks like the Deros came out on top in all of his tests.  Unfortunately, Steve did not compare the dust collection on the various sanders, but his findings are interesting, none the less.

Couldn't watch all of it, about 2 minutes is all I could stand !!

A comparison between the ETS EC and Mirka would interest me. If you were in the market for a new sander today, you wouldn't be considering the old ETS unless you were looking at the saving you could make.


Offline clark_fork

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Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2015, 09:28 AM »
Anyone speak to the convenience or lack of convenience of turning on the vac. I have Midi

Festool=vac activates when turning on sander

Mirka= reach around to turn on vac?

Anyone speak to the cost of sandpaper, quantities available at one time

Both seem to have their own sand paper layout.
Clark Fork

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Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2015, 11:47 AM »
If i may just jump in here.

We sell both so I'm not to biased...well apart from been Green Blooded!

BUT we have had at least two Deros returned with electronics issues recently...
The Deros is very lightweight  but IMO the ETS has the edge due to its innovative features, covered hose etc etc.

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Offline leakyroof

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Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2015, 12:25 PM »
...Looks like the Deros came out on top in all of his tests.  Unfortunately, Steve did not compare the dust collection on the various sanders, but his findings are interesting, none the less.

To be fair, Mirka has been doing sanders for years.
It would be pretty noteworthy is Festool could deliver a better sanding machine, but it does beg the question as to the R&D staff and funding that Bosch, Festool, Mirka etc devote funds towards.

As a kid I recall seeing men walking on the moon, and had a little astronaut jumpsuit that I wore out. At that time I pretty much had the impression that everything was invented and fully figured out. It was not until much later that I realised that science and technology are still advancing.

So I personally find it refreshing that we can debate whether a Mirka sander is better than a Festool sander... It is pretty much like debating whether a Maserati is better than a Ferrari, or whether Kate Blanchet is more stunning than Kate Winslet.
   Off topic, but forget those two Kates and consider Kate Beckinsale... [wink]
 Okay, back on to topic.  I like the posts about paper/abrasive costs between brands/sanders. Also, warranty support.  If there is a slight tendency for the Mirka'
s to go wrong, you'd like to know how long you're waiting for it to get repaired if needed.   [blink]
Not as many Sanders as PA Floor guy.....

Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2015, 04:04 PM »
Anyone speak to the convenience or lack of convenience of turning on the vac. I have Midi

Festool=vac activates when turning on sander

Mirka= reach around to turn on vac?

Anyone speak to the cost of sandpaper, quantities available at one time

Both seem to have their own sand paper layout.

Clark: I don't know what you mean with your post - did I miss something?

I use a Mirka Deros coupled to a MIDI Vac at work. When the sander turns on/off - the vac turns on/off - there is no reaching around to turn on/off a vac.
 
The Mirka accepts Festool papers, Mirka papers - and every other paper on the market.
Festool accepts only Festool hole pattern papers.
Dust extraction is equal.

I also own and use the ETS EC (5) and when I used it today I actually came to the conclusion that the Mirka Deros is better. I used to think they are equal.  The only reason for keeping the ETS EC is the plug it cord at my work station. In the paint room the Deros is permanently hooked up to a MIDI vac but in the shop I use a Festool plug it hose. The sander is sufficient for me but sometimes feels a little lacking. When that happens I reach for the Rotex 150. ;)

I don't think you can go wrong with either sander but having owned both and still using both I would more likely recommend the Deros over the Festool ETS EC 5 unless you are using a plug it hose.
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline Holmz

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Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2015, 05:12 PM »
LR... 3 Kates.

...
Anyone speak to the cost of sandpaper, quantities available at one time

Both seem to have their own sand paper layout.

I pulled out the red model 1/2 sheet sander, as the Mrs is sanding a door today.
The pads said Abraidnet (by Mirka).

Those screens seems to last very long compared to paper, and with no overt big holes the dust just wanders up everywhere.
For wood I don't believe it matters too much, but for materials which are prone to clogging (like epoxies) they seem to hold up well.

Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2015, 05:46 PM »
I can attest to the longevity of Abranet papers on wood and on dry paint/finish. For finishing/between coats where the finish isn't hardened the papers don't really "clog" like regular sandpapers might - but they become "smeared" and lose their grit. They look fine but they don't do the job anymore.  In those cases I can't say they are better - they just smear instead of clog (they can clog though).  They are no worse than regular sandpaper in that aspect though.

We have both kinds of Mirka Abranet/Autonet. I usually grab whatever is nearest...  [embarassed]
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline clark_fork

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Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2015, 05:53 PM »
 You answered my questions:

"Clark: I don't know what you mean with your post - did I miss something?

I use a Mirka Deros coupled to a MIDI Vac at work. When the sander turns on/off - the vac turns on/off - there is no reaching around to turn on/off a vac.
 
The Mirka accepts Festool papers, Mirka papers - and every other paper on the market.
Festool accepts only Festool hole pattern papers.
Dust extraction is equal."

I conclude

The Mirka Deros will work with my Midi
I can buy paper for the Mirka  from any vendor
There is no difference in dust extraction

From others I  have learned the Mirka is lighter and the paddle is regarded as a plus.

Other than yellow clashing with green, the Mirka Deros seems to be a good choice notwithstanding the price of each which no one here seems to care about.

Thanks for the insights.



Clark Fork

"A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths."  Stephen Wright

"straight, smooth and square" Mr. Russell, first day high school shop class-1954

" What's the good of it?" My Sainted Grandmother

"You can't be too rich, too thin or have too many clamps." After my introduction to pocket joinery and now the MFT work process

"Don't make something unless it is both made necessary and useful; but if it is both necessary and useful,
don't hesitate to make it beautiful." -- Shaker dictum

Offline Steve-Rice

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Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2015, 04:55 PM »
My 2015 Festool USA catalog doesn't show the ETS EC model, just the EQ model and I don't see the EC model on my dealers website.  Is the EC available in the US?   If not, does anyone know if Festool will bring the EC to the US?  Thanks

Offline neeleman

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Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2015, 05:17 PM »
Until now it's NAINA.
You'll have to wait probably till Autumn 2015 or even 2016.
And it's not cheap either.
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Offline Jimmy FineCut

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Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2015, 03:59 AM »
You answered my questions:

"Clark: I don't know what you mean with your post - did I miss something?

I use a Mirka Deros coupled to a MIDI Vac at work. When the sander turns on/off - the vac turns on/off - there is no reaching around to turn on/off a vac.
 
The Mirka accepts Festool papers, Mirka papers - and every other paper on the market.
Festool accepts only Festool hole pattern papers.
Dust extraction is equal."

I conclude

The Mirka Deros will work with my Midi
I can buy paper for the Mirka  from any vendor
There is no difference in dust extraction

From others I  have learned the Mirka is lighter and the paddle is regarded as a plus.

Other than yellow clashing with green, the Mirka Deros seems to be a good choice notwithstanding the price of each which no one here seems to care about.

Thanks for the insights.

So did you get the Mirka Deros Clark?

Offline clark_fork

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Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2015, 09:29 AM »
So did you get the Mirka Deros Clark?

Answer:

Despite the fact that my thrifty New England ancestors are rolling in their graves, I have not yet, but fully intend to go yellow. As a matter of fact, I don't have many friends I would admit to that I bought a $600.00 sander. They would tell me to go hire someone to do my sanding for that price. When I wandered into Festool land, I had no idea I was entering the high rent district and beyond.

For purposes of discussion, with regard to Festool, what are the merits of the 3mm stroke over the 5mm stroke? What is this EC about? Does eccentric refer to the operator?

Clark Fork

"A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths."  Stephen Wright

"straight, smooth and square" Mr. Russell, first day high school shop class-1954

" What's the good of it?" My Sainted Grandmother

"You can't be too rich, too thin or have too many clamps." After my introduction to pocket joinery and now the MFT work process

"Don't make something unless it is both made necessary and useful; but if it is both necessary and useful,
don't hesitate to make it beautiful." -- Shaker dictum

Offline Holmz

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Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2015, 09:40 AM »
There is also a 7 or 8 mm stroke RO sanders just to really get you going.

Depends what you are doing really. I hear that the people doing fibreglass like the 7-mm stroke.
So it depends on whether it is more finish or roughing it in.

Offline Steve-Rice

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Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2015, 12:08 PM »
Interestingly, I came to the opposite conclusion that Clarke did.

Although I've already converted my old DeWalt ROS with an Abranet pad and I love using the Abranet sanding mesh, I'll go with the Festool ETS EC (when finally available in the US) because it has the following advantages over the Mirka Deros:

Vibration control
carbide tipped brake
sleeved hose available
can set up the sander not to start if hose is not attached
Festool build quality and excellent customer service
parts guaranteed for 10 years
30 day return policy.

The only real advantage I can see for the Deros is that it is about .42 pounds lighter than the ETS EC.  While I would definitely prefer the lighter sander for extended work, I've read about a number of people who have had problems with their Mirka sanders and have complained about Mirka's customer service and long turn-around times.  I feel significantly more confident in Festool's build quality and customer service.  It doesn't matter how great your sander is if it doesn't work, so that's enough to push me over the fence in Festool's direction.   I plan to use Abranet sanding mesh on the ETS EC as well. Since I've already donated over $2,000 this year to Festool's retirement fund, I can wait until the ETS EC is available here in the US.   

Just my two cents...

Offline Alex

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Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2015, 12:16 PM »
What is this EC about? Does eccentric refer to the operator?

EC does not stand for eccentric.

EC comes from their brushless motors which they call EC-TEC motors, meaning it is a brushless motor with a built in electronic circuit that controls the RPM and keeps it at a constant speed.

E stands for electronic.

C - I am not exactly sure what the C stands for, is could be either Control, Constant or Circuit.


Offline leakyroof

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Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2015, 12:33 PM »
So did you get the Mirka Deros Clark?

Answer:

Despite the fact that my thrifty New England ancestors are rolling in their graves, I have not yet, but fully intend to go yellow. As a matter of fact, I don't have many friends I would admit to that I bought a $600.00 sander. They would tell me to go hire someone to do my sanding for that price. When I wandered into Festool land, I had no idea I was entering the high rent district and beyond.

For purposes of discussion, with regard to Festool, what are the merits of the 3mm stroke over the 5mm stroke? What is this EC about? Does eccentric refer to the operator?
Generally speaking, you sand to a higher level of finish with the smaller 3mm orbit over the larger 5mm orbit. However, with the right abrasives and the sander in the right hands, the 150/5 can really put out a nice finish.
 I finally bought a 150/3 when I wanted to do more stain-finish work around my house on mouldings and other larger pieces. Previously, I had been very happy with my 150/5 for all general sanding needs when it came time to larger areas being covered.
 Your choice on what you need most from a sander.  Or you own 10 or 11 of them like I do.......... [embarassed] [embarassed] [embarassed], and you pick the best one for the task at hand.
Not as many Sanders as PA Floor guy.....

Offline sae

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Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2015, 12:37 PM »
What is this EC about? Does eccentric refer to the operator?

EC does not stand for eccentric.

EC comes from their brushless motors which they call EC-TEC motors, meaning it is a brushless motor with a built in electronic circuit that controls the RPM and keeps it at a constant speed.

E stands for electronic.

C - I am not exactly sure what the C stands for, is could be either Control, Constant or Circuit.

EC = electronically commutated. Bosch uses the EC moniker as well.

Offline Alex

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Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2015, 01:27 PM »
EC = electronically commutated. Bosch uses the EC moniker as well.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Offline Holmz

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Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2015, 05:09 PM »
Interestingly, I came to the opposite conclusion that Clarke did.

Although I've already converted my old DeWalt ROS with an Abranet pad and I love using the Abranet sanding mesh, I'll go with the Festool ETS EC (when finally available in the US) because it has the following advantages over the Mirka Deros:

...

The only real advantage I can see for the Deros is that it is about .42 pounds lighter than the ETS EC.  ....

...

The main advantage is that it is available in NA and not a pipe dream for 2016.

There is also the Mafell RO sander. Are they any good?
I was personally leaning towards a Mirka for the weight savings... But standing behind a horizontal lump of wood make weight less of an issue.

Re: ETS EC 150 vs Mirka DEROS which way would you go?
« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2015, 02:01 PM »
Interestingly, I came to the opposite conclusion that Clarke did.

Although I've already converted my old DeWalt ROS with an Abranet pad and I love using the Abranet sanding mesh, I'll go with the Festool ETS EC (when finally available in the US) because it has the following advantages over the Mirka Deros:

Vibration control
carbide tipped brake
sleeved hose available
can set up the sander not to start if hose is not attached
Festool build quality and excellent customer service
parts guaranteed for 10 years
30 day return policy.

Just my two cents...

SteveRice: I don't know if I buy into your conclusions based on the following (remember that I went from Mirka Deros to ETS EC 5 and actually use both).

Looking at your list, not in order;

* 30 day return policy: why would I need that for the Mirka if you need the sander and it is considered one of the best sanders available? No need for try and buy on a professional machine that is a proven machine and no lesser a machine than Festool.
If it is broke they will fix it in any case. If it is a DOA machine I will get a new one. With Festool I don't get a new machine if DOA and it is registered!

EDIT: In Sweden, for some obscure reason we only get a 15 day return policy!!! I meant to return one machine but it turned out that there is no 30 day return policy in Sweden for Festool, only 15 days. Why? I don't know.

* Vibration Control: I find that the Mirka has about the same low level of vibration as the ETS EC. They are (effectively) both vibration controlled.

* Sleeved hose available: sure, but at what cost!?? It is an accessory. En expensive one to boot. You can even get it in a Systainer. An expensive hose in a Systainer???

*Can set up the sander to not start when a hose is not attached: totally unnecessary feature. Really. Probably more cause for frustration than not.

*Festool build quality and excellent customer service:
I really disagree on this one. My new RTS400 sander was faulty. New, and faulty. Out of all my tool brands I have used Festool actually tops the statistics on faulty machines by a far margin! I still stick with them but I use the 30 day return policy more to have an option to return faulty tools and not to try them out. Out of some 25 Festool machines over the years I have had 5 lemons. Thats a 20% fault rate!  I bet Mirka has a lower fault rate. The build quality of the Mirka Deros is first rate.

*Festool service/repair: I am on good foot with two Festool dealerships and they cover for me - when Festool does not. One month repair time and no loaner, repairs returned without being fixed, demo guys that know less about the machines than I do etc etc.
Festool service is sub par in Sweden.

*Parts guaranteed for 10 years: that is great! :)
But - what good is that if they don't have parts in stock? Happened to me, five weeks delay due to not having the electronic circuitboard in stock...

I don't expect my daily use machines to last that long though and there is usually new products coming along to replace a four-five year old machine. I have a Bosch jigsaw that is roughly fourteen years old and is still serviceable.

*Carbid tipped brake: Yes, kind of nice, actually. :)
Mirka does not take long to stop though. It is not a deal breaker.

I chose the ETS EC for the Plug it option as I use it at a work station in the work shop. I can't plug it convert the Mirka Deros. If I could I would never have bought the ETS EC as I think the Mirka is better, ergonomically and finish quality is equal.

Thats my two cents gents.  [smile]

PS
I hope I don't come off sour with my list, just telling it like I see it, nobody has to agree.

I would also add that the ergonomics are (for me) slightly in favour of the Mirka Deros, I find the Deros more tactile for sanding between coats.
« Last Edit: July 12, 2015, 02:30 PM by Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits »
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.