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« on: March 01, 2012, 12:36 AM »

Reading about all the products NAINA makes me wonder what the pricing is like across the European countries. Is it all the same or does it vary from country to country and if so, who is the cheapest and which is the most expensive? Worldwide, is US pricing the best? Is it because of the volume or because we don't include VAT?
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« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2012, 02:38 AM »

You are opening a hornet's nest with this question.

Festool are buying market in the US at the cost of the rest of the world (note - rest of world - more than US and Europe).

Various country specifics, volumes, transport costs and duties impact prices - there's a real cost to stock and support extended ranges and it's obviously more expensive if you're not a wholly owned Festool operation.

It'd be interesting to see if the US would stomach higher prices for higher featured products and a greater range.

Let the games begin ...
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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2012, 03:44 AM »

As far as I know I think UK is one of the cheapest in europe!   Cus my regularl dealer says he ships a lot of festool tools to varies parts in Europe because they tell him it's cheaper to get it from him then in their own country!


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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2012, 03:52 AM »

UK is cheap and so is ebay in Germany in many cases. I'm guessing currency fluctuations plays a part in it as well. I suspect JMB's dealer, when shipping abroad, ships to non-euro countries, but I could be wrong.
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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2012, 04:57 AM »

Currently Germany seems to be the cheapest place in Europe with the current € to £ exchange rate. Last year when the £ was cheap it was reversed. Nordic countries pay similar extortion prices like our Aussie friends so even with shipping it's cheaper to mail order from central Europe.
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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2012, 05:59 AM »

England used to be cheapest place of all Europe by far but with the current pound to euro conversion that difference is all gone. For the rest of mainland Europe the price is more or less the same. Only the scandinavian countries pay quite a bit more, so they're the most expensive now.
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« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2012, 08:20 AM »

What reiska said, scandinavian countries pay extortion prices, but i think maybe Norway is the most expensive. If i get the 33 ish % discount (that for some reason almost everyone gets) from the only ( big) dealer in norway who has a decent supply, it is still cheaper to buy from uk ink. shipping costs.
Example: festool of1010. Uk price for me (ex vat) is 340 ish pounds plus 25 shipping + 25% vat - 450
                                     Norwegian price is 740 pounds, but most get the 33% discount (why the frakk price it that high to start with) which brings it down to 494

This high pricing covers all the festool tools available in norway. Ok, norway is more expensive to begin with, but the pricing on festool is absurdly high compared to pricing on bosch, dewalt ect..

So yeah, initialy we are being extorted because of tase :p
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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2012, 09:32 AM »

Norwegian prices are heavily distorted by the "resource curse" of offshore oil.  The International Monetary Fund's 2012 estimates of per-capita gross domestic product (total value of all goods and services produced in a country divided by the population) are, for Norway, $96,591 and for the UK  $39,604.  Even looking at purchasing-power parity GDP estimates, Norway is something like $55,000 while the UK is something like $35,000.

Bottom line: Living is good in Norway even though the sticker prices are high.
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« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2012, 09:38 AM »

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« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2012, 09:52 AM »

Yeah, CDM, you are right about that, we even have a 5 year "waranty" that thrumps out all normal waranties, but as i stated the festool pricing is even more distorted. Festool tools are more expensive to begin with, but becuase there is only one big reseller in norway they charge a premium.
If the pricing was minus the 33% they give if you ask, i would have been "happy", but since they set the sticker price soooo high, just to give the discount, the people that dont know about the discount, or dont get it, pay way to much! it is like a car dealer!


In generel my beef is with the reseller.
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« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2012, 11:01 AM »

Its the same with many products, like cars. You have to remember that there are some real reasons behind this. Duties and taxes vary from country to country and  cost of sales vary greatly.

But in the case of the USA, just be very happy you are living in the cheapest country to buy festool. I was in a Belgium dealer 3 weeks ago, the prices are just insane!
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« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2012, 12:33 PM »

On a positivish note:

At least Festools seem to hold their value ridiculously well - just gave up on the bidding for a three month old CTL 26 E AC that hadn't even been registered for the extended warranty when the bid went to 88% of new price (581€ was the winning bid vs. 651€ new price)...

I was even prepared to pay a lot more than the usual rule-of-thumb 50% max for used ware just because its Festool, but almost 90% of new price - c'mon!  Eek!

I guess I'll just have to mail order one from Germany and get full warranty & the freebie dust bag that comes with the DC for the extra 65€ (postage from Germany is 5€ cheaper than internal shipping within Finland).  Doh!
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« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2012, 02:39 PM »

UK is cheap and so is ebay in Germany in many cases. I'm guessing currency fluctuations plays a part in it as well. I suspect JMB's dealer, when shipping abroad, ships to non-euro countries, but I could be wrong.

NO!  My dealer is NOT aloud to sell out side of europe nor is any other dealer in the UK its  Festool rules.   I have asked him if he would ship to the USA and said to me europe only mate!


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« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2012, 02:49 PM »

UK is cheap and so is ebay in Germany in many cases. I'm guessing currency fluctuations plays a part in it as well. I suspect JMB's dealer, when shipping abroad, ships to non-euro countries, but I could be wrong.

NO!  My dealer is NOT aloud to sell out side of europe nor is any other dealer in the UK its  Festool rules.   I have asked him if he would ship to the USA and said to me europe only mate!


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« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2012, 03:42 PM »

Well, JMB - I had my OF1400 happily delivered from the UK last summer with no problems, so I guess all resellers don't mind shipping abroad...
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« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2012, 04:03 PM »

Well, JMB - I had my OF1400 happily delivered from the UK last summer with no problems, so I guess all resellers don't mind shipping abroad...
last time i checked, Finland was still in europe!  Huh?!
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« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2012, 04:12 PM »

UK is cheap and so is ebay in Germany in many cases. I'm guessing currency fluctuations plays a part in it as well. I suspect JMB's dealer, when shipping abroad, ships to non-euro countries, but I could be wrong.

NO!  My dealer is NOT aloud to sell out side of europe nor is any other dealer in the UK its  Festool rules.   I have asked him if he would ship to the USA and said to me europe only mate!


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There are several countries in Europe, that are still outside the Euro-zone, like Norway, Sweden and the UK.. I'm sorry I wasn't clear, but I mean countries outside europe.
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« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2012, 04:21 PM »

Ah, had a hard time understanding JMB's accent Tongue Out and associating that with some other UK dealers thatI have asked who refuse to ship outside of the British Isles Beating a dead horse I landed on the conclusion that Festool is prohibiting UK resellers to ship outside of the British Isles.

So yes, Finland is still part of Europe and the Euro Zone - more so than the UK itself actually - and I guess you are allowed to ship to us if your dealers want to deal with international shipping Thumbs Up
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« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2012, 04:39 PM »

I'm pretty sure it would be illegal for Festool to try to restrict dealers from shipping anywhere within EU, as long as the dealer is operating within the EU. It's one of the basic principles of the EU...

Individual dealers otoh are free to pick and choose their customers based on almost whatever criteria they so desire, including geographical location.
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« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2012, 04:46 PM »

Ah, had a hard time understanding JMB's accent Tongue Out and associating that with some other UK dealers thatI have asked who refuse to ship outside of the British Isles Beating a dead horse I landed on the conclusion that Festool is prohibiting UK resellers to ship outside of the British Isles.

So yes, Finland is still part of Europe and the Euro Zone - more so than the UK itself actually - and I guess you are allowed to ship to us if your dealers want to deal with international shipping Thumbs Up

My dealer said he will ship any where festool will allow how to ship to! 

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« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2012, 05:42 PM »

I'm pretty sure it would be illegal for Festool to try to restrict dealers from shipping anywhere within EU, as long as the dealer is operating within the EU. It's one of the basic principles of the EU...

This horizontal price fixing that's going on is also illegal in the EU, but apparently it's not stopping anybody .......
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« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2012, 09:05 AM »

Well just to illustrate, the MFT/3 pricing:

€716,32 ($936.56) over here in Belgium
€704,48 ($921.08) in the Netherlands
€684,25 ($894.63) in Germany
€708,03 ($925.72) in France

They are all neighbouring countries of Germany btw Tongue
And then there's even worse like Australia, Norway, ...
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« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2012, 09:42 AM »

Folks,

You should compare apples to apples.
1. European prices does include VAT. (20% average). That means $200 per $1000. US prices does not include VAT. We pay state taxes in addition to base price (average 8%). If you compare prices without VAT, the difference won't be significant.
2. Social programs are very expensive. Paid vacations (if you are permanent employee) in the USA  are 10-15 days. Maternity leave is 6 weeks only. You can compare to the same things in Europe. Employer (read dealer) has to pay for that.

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« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2012, 10:10 AM »

I've got a feeling that New Zealand is probably the most expensive country to buy Festools in.

For example:

OF2200 in Canada - $950+taxes
OF2200 in NZ - $1838.35 Taxes included

TS55 Plunge Saw in Canada - $640+taxes
TS55 Plunge saw in NZ - $1259.25 taxes included

Domino in Canada - $950+taxes
Domino in NZ - $1723.85 taxes included.

So as much as i complain about the higher prices up here in Canada compared to the USA. I'm glad i don't have to pay NZ prices. They do get the entire Festool range in NZ,
but i'd rather have the cheaper prices

Oh and thats just the start of it in NZ. They're paying about $2.20 a litre for Gas too (thats about $8.50 a gallon). Im glad i moved to Canada!
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« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2012, 10:20 AM »

I've got a feeling that New Zealand is probably the most expensive country to buy Festools in.

For example:

OF2200 in Canada - $950+taxes
OF2200 in NZ - $1838.35 Taxes included

TS55 Plunge Saw in Canada - $640+taxes
TS55 Plunge saw in NZ - $1259.25 taxes included

Domino in Canada - $950+taxes
Domino in NZ - $1723.85 taxes included.

So as much as i complain about the higher prices up here in Canada compared to the USA. I'm glad i don't have to pay NZ prices. They do get the entire Festool range in NZ,
but i'd rather have the cheaper prices

Oh and thats just the start of it in NZ. They're paying about $2.20 a litre for Gas too (thats about $8.50 a gallon). Im glad i moved to Canada!

Yep had to pay double for tools in NZ Compared to Canada. Price of beer sucks thou. Box of 24 Waikato at the supermarket used to be about $18 in NZ, 6pack here about $14
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« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2012, 10:27 AM »

I've got a feeling that New Zealand is probably the most expensive country to buy Festools in.

For example:

OF2200 in Canada - $950+taxes
OF2200 in NZ - $1838.35 Taxes included

TS55 Plunge Saw in Canada - $640+taxes
TS55 Plunge saw in NZ - $1259.25 taxes included

Domino in Canada - $950+taxes
Domino in NZ - $1723.85 taxes included.

So as much as i complain about the higher prices up here in Canada compared to the USA. I'm glad i don't have to pay NZ prices. They do get the entire Festool range in NZ,
but i'd rather have the cheaper prices

Oh and thats just the start of it in NZ. They're paying about $2.20 a litre for Gas too (thats about $8.50 a gallon). Im glad i moved to Canada!

Yep had to pay double for tools in NZ Compared to Canada. Price of beer sucks thou. Box of 24 Waikato at the supermarket used to be about $18 in NZ, 6pack here about $14
Nothing like another Kiwi Canucks fan here in BC.

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« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2012, 05:41 PM »

I've got a feeling that New Zealand is probably the most expensive country to buy Festools in.

Definitely not cheap from what you post, but I've heard stories from members from South Africa, Taiwan and Japan who said they sometimes had to pay up to 4 or 5 times the American prices.
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« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2012, 05:51 PM »

Well just to illustrate, the MFT/3 pricing:

€716,32 ($936.56) over here in Belgium
€704,48 ($921.08) in the Netherlands
€684,25 ($894.63) in Germany
€708,03 ($858.57) in France

They are all neighbouring countries of Germany btw Tongue
And then there's even worse like Australia, Norway, ...
You guys in the states don't know how lucky you are, even if some things are NAINA.
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« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2012, 06:50 PM »

Well just to illustrate, the MFT/3 pricing:

€716,32 ($936.56) over here in Belgium
€704,48 ($921.08) in the Netherlands
€684,25 ($894.63) in Germany
€708,03 ($925.72) in France

They are all neighbouring countries of Germany btw Tongue
And then there's even worse like Australia, Norway, ...
You guys in the states don't know how lucky you are, even if some things are NAINA.

There appears to be significant errors in the presented conversion rate. Were those all calculate on the same day?
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« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2012, 07:01 PM »

I actually live in Canada but purchase most of my festool stuff in the USA. Most tools don't have any duties, you just pay the regular taxes you would pay in canada anyways. But I drive the the US anyways...
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