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Offline thomatrix

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Re: Festool and mafell
« Reply #30 on: February 28, 2014, 01:56 PM »
Based on the input from you guys I actually ended up with buying the Mafell MT 55 cc. To give something back I have written a review that some of you might find helpful if you are in the market for either a Festool or Mafell:

http://deguno.com/tools/mafell-mt-55-cc-review-king-of-the-plunge-cut-saws

Thanks for all the great help!
« Last Edit: March 01, 2014, 03:24 PM by thomatrix »

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Offline thomatrix

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Re: Festool and mafell
« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2014, 01:59 PM »
For some reason I was not allowed to post a link so you will have to copy and paste the link above.

Offline ali

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Re: Festool and mafell
« Reply #32 on: March 01, 2014, 05:37 AM »
I don't think there is any one company that is necessarily better than others, but I have a mafell jigsaw and i use the mafell tracks on my bosch guide rail system. For me these are better than the festool equivalent, but mafell's range of products is limited.

But the build quality is really good and hard wearing.

Offline thomatrix

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Re: Festool and mafell
« Reply #33 on: March 01, 2014, 03:28 PM »
Fully agree - for that reason I have tools from Bosch, Makita, Dewalt, Festool, Mafell, Fein, Metabo, Hilti and a few others. All because they have something in their line-up that I have found to fit my requirements and therefore be the best for me.

Offline Custard

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Re: Festool and mafell
« Reply #34 on: March 02, 2014, 10:45 AM »
I've never used a Mafell tool that's a direct competitor to Festool, but I have used a Mafell biscuit jointer and IMO it's better than the Lamello Top 20 biscuit jointer that I own. I believe Lamello avoided vertical height adjustment on their fences because they believed it would introduce inaccuracies, but Mafell went to town on their sliding fence and it's incredibly accurate throughout it's travel range...and stays accurate even after years of hard use. Their manuals are also better than Festool, but as Festool competes with The Lucky Dragon Tool Corporation of Guangdong for the world's worst manuals I guess that isn't too hard!

I'd certainly look seriously at Mafell tools in the future.

Offline NYC Tiny Shop

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Re: Festool and mafell
« Reply #35 on: March 02, 2014, 11:02 AM »
I've never used a Mafell tool that's a direct competitor to Festool, but I have used a Mafell biscuit jointer and IMO it's better than the Lamello Top 20 biscuit jointer that I own. I believe Lamello avoided vertical height adjustment on their fences because they believed it would introduce inaccuracies, but Mafell went to town on their sliding fence and it's incredibly accurate throughout it's travel range...and stays accurate even after years of hard use. Their manuals are also better than Festool, but as Festool competes with The Lucky Dragon Tool Corporation of Guangdong for the world's worst manuals I guess that isn't too hard!

I'd certainly look seriously at Mafell tools in the future.

 Festool USA supplies supplimental manuals for most, if not all, of their mainline power tools and they are extraordinarly excellent. They are also offered on line. Take a look.
 There's no arguing about the quality of Mafell tools. I think one would be hard pressed to find a better joiner , on the market today, than the Festool XL700.
  FWIW, companies whose tools that I also own that could improve on their manuals are DeWalt and Jet.

Offline TelcoRandy

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Re: Festool and mafell
« Reply #36 on: March 02, 2014, 11:39 AM »
Their manuals are also better than Festool, but as Festool competes with The Lucky Dragon Tool Corporation of Guangdong for the world's worst manuals I guess that isn't too hard!
I laughed out loud to that one. Hilarious and so true.

Offline r cash

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Re: Festool and mafell
« Reply #37 on: March 02, 2014, 02:17 PM »
I have both large and small Domino machines they serve a specific task and are great tools. Xl is a bit more useful.
I also have Mafell dowel machine it does things the dominos can't . For years Festools jigsaw was better than my Bosch.
Last year I got the mafell jigsaw it's so much more accurate than any jigsaw I have ever used.
The list of Mafell tools portable bandsaw  /portable  carpenters chainsaw that I have has no festool counter part.
 The dowel machine  and jig saw  and a Erika on order. My festool list is way long.
I buy the best tools to produce the best work I can.
Mafell/festool/Bosch /Sac/Laguna /Scmi/Powermatic/Maggi/Tigerstop /snap on all have roles in my 1500 soft small shop.
Yes I think my 25"digital controlled variable speed Laguna planer rocks better than most
It's just one tool that does a job among many.

John Ecomaki of bridge city tools said "Quality is contagious "

Working with wood is life long learning process enjoy it
Have a great day
Rc

Offline jdw101

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Re: Festool and mafell
« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2017, 09:37 PM »
I am saving right now for the Mafell jigsaw.  As far as I am concerned there is no equal to that product, all in though it's looking like nearly a 1400 dollar spend which is a lot of money for a hobbiest, this the saving part. 

The Carvex and others (I currently have a Bosch) jigsaws are great but that Mafell saw with the fence that lets you cut right up to the edge.. the upside down and reverse cutting, the huge blade you can drop on it.  I just love all the neat things that saw can do.  I also saw the aftermarket coping foot available for many, amazing right there!

If money was no object I would get the portable bandsaw too and the Erika for sure.  Still would have tons of Festool though.


Offline Holvik

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Re: Festool and mafell
« Reply #39 on: August 26, 2017, 04:26 PM »
 [eek] 1400 dollars for Mafell P1CC ?
Is it a problem to import from Europe ?
P1CC from Denmark
I have this saw myself, sold my Festool saws Psc 420 & Psc 420 EB li.

Offline Svar

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Re: Festool and mafell
« Reply #40 on: August 26, 2017, 04:45 PM »
[eek] 1400 dollars for Mafell P1CC ?
Is it a problem to import from Europe ?
No, its 760  USD from Timberwolf tools. I don't know where he got 1400.

Offline Holvik

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Re: Festool and mafell
« Reply #41 on: August 26, 2017, 04:55 PM »
Ok, almost same price Europe/USA .

Offline JimH2

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Re: Festool and mafell
« Reply #42 on: August 26, 2017, 05:40 PM »
I don't think there is any one company that is necessarily better than others, but I have a mafell jigsaw and i use the mafell tracks on my bosch guide rail system. For me these are better than the festool equivalent, but mafell's range of products is limited.

But the build quality is really good and hard wearing.

A limited product line helps to ensure that build quality and function are the top concerns.

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Festool and mafell
« Reply #43 on: August 26, 2017, 06:20 PM »
How a tool feels in my hands is important. I can drive 15 minutes and handle any Festool product and even try it out. I can take the Festool product home and try it out in my shop. If I don't like it, I can return it to my local dealer. I can't do any of that with Mafell.
Birdhunter

Offline McNally Family

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Re: Festool and mafell
« Reply #44 on: August 26, 2017, 06:36 PM »
How a tool feels in my hands is important. I can drive 15 minutes and handle any Festool product and even try it out. I can take the Festool product home and try it out in my shop. If I don't like it, I can return it to my local dealer. I can't do any of that with Mafell.

I'm sure the Festool is a fine saw.  My decision to purchase the Mafell saw was made based on my having the Mafell rails, which I purchased after buying the Mafell jig saw (which all research points to it being superior to the Festool jig saw).

Once the rail decision is made, the saw purchase is predetermined.
GREEN: In order of purchase = | CT26  |  RS 2 E | Hose w/ Sleeve 3.5m | 115mm X 226mm Hand Sanding Block | 80mm X 133mm Hand Sanding Block | HSK D21.5 5m hose | CT Boom Arm Bundle Set | 1080 Plate for custom MFT | OF 1400 EQ Router (metric) w/accessories | SYS-Rock BR10 | Cordless Sander RTSC 400 Set |  Cordless Delta Sander DTSC 400 Basic | Linear Sander LS 130 | PDC 18/4 set | CXS  2.6Ah Set | Installer Cleaning Set (2018 version) |  New style Festool hose D 27/32 x 3,5m AS/CT | Replacement Hose Garage | Remote control CT-F I/M-Set | MFH1000 work stool | Next purchase: TBD

RED: // Mafell P1cc  //  MT55cc  // Next purchase: TBD

Offline ScotF

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Re: Festool and mafell
« Reply #45 on: August 26, 2017, 07:58 PM »
How a tool feels in my hands is important. I can drive 15 minutes and handle any Festool product and even try it out. I can take the Festool product home and try it out in my shop. If I don't like it, I can return it to my local dealer. I can't do any of that with Mafell.

I'm sure the Festool is a fine saw.  My decision to purchase the Mafell saw was made based on my having the Mafell rails, which I purchased after buying the Mafell jig saw (which all research points to it being superior to the Festool jig saw).

Once the rail decision is made, the saw purchase is predetermined.

Except the Mafell can ride either rail.... [big grin]

Offline Holmz

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Re: Festool and mafell
« Reply #46 on: August 28, 2017, 08:42 AM »
When did it become a competition?
The DX93 is nice, the domino is nice, and the MFT is OK... I do not have the BS105 yet.

For Mafell the jig saw, MT55 and the rails, and the eva115e are great.
The Erika I will fire up next weekend.

Then there is the deros, and the lamello gear.

Why not just get the best from each?
Being wedded to some belief of "Festool uber alles" seems like denial of factual reality.

Given that that old OF2000 was made by Mafell, and the early vacuums by Nilfisk makes it even just comical.

There is also a lot of Bosch and Metabo gear that also seems desirable.

Offline greg mann

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Re: Festool and mafell
« Reply #47 on: August 28, 2017, 07:42 PM »
When did it become a competition?
The DX93 is nice, the domino is nice, and the MFT is OK... I do not have the BS105 yet.

For Mafell the jig saw, MT55 and the rails, and the eva115e are great.
The Erika I will fire up next weekend.

Then there is the deros, and the lamello gear.

Why not just get the best from each?
Being wedded to some belief of "Festool uber alles" seems like denial of factual reality.

Given that that old OF2000 was made by Mafell, and the early vacuums by Nilfisk makes it even just comical.

There is also a lot of Bosch and Metabo gear that also seems desirable.


And Mafell rebadged the 1010 for a while.
Greg Mann
Oakland, Michigan

Offline Slider613

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Re: Festool and mafell
« Reply #48 on: August 30, 2017, 04:01 PM »
just bugs me with the price disparity between Mafell in the US vs Europe, seems like with just one distributor they can price however they like. I'd like to try the Mafell Jigsaw, I have a Carvex and have never been that happy with it.
TS 75 EQ, Router 1400 OF, Carvex PS420 EQB, Rotex 90 and 125, ETS 150/3, Domino DF 500 + Kit, CXS Drill set, T18 Drill Set, MFT/3, Rails 75" and 2x 55" with Connector and Case, Compact Cleaning Kit, Sys 4 TLsort/3, CT 48 with 27mm and 36mm anti static hose, Sys MFT-FX set.

Plus a whole stack of accessories

Offline amt

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Re: Festool and mafell
« Reply #49 on: August 30, 2017, 07:22 PM »
just bugs me with the price disparity between Mafell in the US

I ended up buying my Mafell saw from the UK and importing it.  The price was not much different than a TS55.  However, that may fluctuate as the USD to GBP changes.  I also probably don't have a warranty.

I'd like to try the Mafell Jigsaw, I have a Carvex and have never been that happy with it.

I did not like the Carvex either, but I have a problem with spending more than $400 on any jigsaw.  I ended up with a bare-tool cordless Bosch I already had Bosch 18v batteries) barrel style saw I got from UK as well (not available in US) for under $150.  It's brushless and works very well.

Offline Slider613

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Re: Festool and mafell
« Reply #50 on: August 30, 2017, 10:14 PM »
just bugs me with the price disparity between Mafell in the US

I ended up buying my Mafell saw from the UK and importing it.  The price was not much different than a TS55.  However, that may fluctuate as the USD to GBP changes.  I also probably don't have a warranty.

I'd like to try the Mafell Jigsaw, I have a Carvex and have never been that happy with it.

I did not like the Carvex either, but I have a problem with spending more than $400 on any jigsaw.  I ended up with a bare-tool cordless Bosch I already had Bosch 18v batteries) barrel style saw I got from UK as well (not available in US) for under $150.  It's brushless and works very well.

Did you just switch out the cord to use in a USA 110v outlet?

I probably should have saved the money originally and went with a Bosch.
TS 75 EQ, Router 1400 OF, Carvex PS420 EQB, Rotex 90 and 125, ETS 150/3, Domino DF 500 + Kit, CXS Drill set, T18 Drill Set, MFT/3, Rails 75" and 2x 55" with Connector and Case, Compact Cleaning Kit, Sys 4 TLsort/3, CT 48 with 27mm and 36mm anti static hose, Sys MFT-FX set.

Plus a whole stack of accessories

Offline altiplano

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Re: Festool and mafell
« Reply #51 on: September 22, 2017, 12:22 AM »
I imported a MT55 from the UK too.

It was cheaper, all in, than a TS55 in Canada.
Plus it came with 2 rails, a connector, a rail bag and screw clamps.

Great saw.

Just changed the plug and in business.

Offline Holmz

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Re: Festool and mafell
« Reply #52 on: September 22, 2017, 03:29 AM »
I imported a MT55 from the UK too.

It was cheaper, all in, than a TS55 in Canada.
Plus it came with 2 rails, a connector, a rail bag and screw clamps.

Great saw.

Just changed the plug and in business.

You're on a higher plane...

Offline yetihunter

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Re: Festool and mafell
« Reply #53 on: September 28, 2017, 01:40 PM »
No way, dude, the Canadians and Northeasterners make way better hand planes than the Germans.   [smile]

Online Cheese

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Re: Festool and mafell
« Reply #54 on: September 28, 2017, 02:35 PM »
I'd like to try the Mafell Jigsaw, I have a Carvex and have never been that happy with it.

I just traded my Trion & Carvex in for a Mafell P1 cc...no comparison. Hated to spend the $$$ but well worth it, I should have done it earlier before I spent money on a Milwaukee, then a Trion and finally the Carvex.  [doh]

Offline altiplano

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Re: Festool and mafell
« Reply #55 on: September 29, 2017, 08:55 AM »
You're on a higher plane...

You got that right, Holmz...

Offline maccruiskeen

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Re: Festool and mafell
« Reply #56 on: September 29, 2017, 12:03 PM »
For me the main difference is the rail.

As a tool for sawing the Mafell rail wins hands down - it has a narrower footprint so you can work on smaller pieces, its more robust, the splinter guard stays attached, the process of joining sections together is faster and stronger and automatically straightens the joint as you tighten it. It stays in place while you're working better (I haven't needed to use the clamps during the last 8 years of so of use)  The rail sections being a little longer makes them more useable too - supporting the saw beyond the start and finish of full board cuts. I find Festool rails delicate and clumsy by comparison.

Festool's benefit over Mafell is that their rail is part of a much larger system, it has more applications than just sawing. Its a jack off all trades compared to Mafell's master on one. But I can't help but feeling wishing they'd developed a better version of their rail before committing such a wide range of products and processes around it.

Offline GhostFist

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Re: Festool and mafell
« Reply #57 on: September 29, 2017, 12:25 PM »
Other than the parallel guides. What can festool rails do that mafell can't?

Offline Svar

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Re: Festool and mafell
« Reply #58 on: September 29, 2017, 12:38 PM »
For me the main difference is the rail.
As a tool for sawing the Mafell rail wins hands down - it has a narrower footprint so you can work on smaller pieces, its more robust, the splinter guard stays attached, the process of joining sections together is faster and stronger and automatically straightens the joint as you tighten it. It stays in place while you're working better (I haven't needed to use the clamps during the last 8 years of so of use)  The rail sections being a little longer makes them more useable too - supporting the saw beyond the start and finish of full board cuts. I find Festool rails delicate and clumsy by comparison.
It also has two t-slots on the bottom, one close to the cutting edge. Easy to clamp small/narrow pieces.

Offline Svar

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Re: Festool and mafell
« Reply #59 on: September 29, 2017, 12:47 PM »
Other than the parallel guides. What can festool rails do that mafell can't?
Gecko suction clamp, dog rail clips, protractors and squares, flip stops, anti tip-over thingies, magnetic rail holders, etc. etc. I've seen many other custom jigs over the years on FOG and elsewhere that utilize that t-slot. It's handy to have an attachment point on your rail.
« Last Edit: September 29, 2017, 01:35 PM by Svar »