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Offline vuongnuce

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Festool DF500 Connector
« on: July 02, 2017, 05:00 AM »
Hello everyone. I have a question. I want to know: Festool has plan to make connector for DF500 as DF700? And when it appears? Sorry if I speak english badly, I am Vietnamese.
« Last Edit: July 02, 2017, 05:04 AM by vuongnuce »
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Re: Festool DF500 Connector
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2017, 09:31 AM »
Not sure -- in the meantime, there's an aftermarket version for the DF500 called Dominofix: http://www.dominofix.com/  I ordered a bunch when they came out, but still haven't gotten around to using them.  They are certainly not as robust as the XL connectors, and seem closer to a Lamello Zeta P connector in terms of strength.
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Offline vuongnuce

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Re: Festool DF500 Connector
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2017, 10:00 AM »
What do you think if i use domino tenon and combine cam screw. It's enough strength?
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Re: Festool DF500 Connector
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2017, 10:28 AM »
I have done that: domino and cam screw. Pretty solid, but I would avoid heavy loads.
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Re: Festool DF500 Connector
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2017, 11:53 AM »
Or pocket screws.  Are you looking specifically to make a KD/RTA piece?
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Re: Festool DF500 Connector
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2017, 01:26 PM »
Or pocket screws.  Are you looking specifically to make a KD/RTA piece?
Yes, it looks like IKEA's furniture
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Re: Festool DF500 Connector
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2017, 01:33 PM »
I have done that: domino and cam screw. Pretty solid, but I would avoid heavy loads.

Would you tell me about your product which you used domino and cam screw to make it( bookshelf, cabinet or bed...etc)
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Re: Festool DF500 Connector
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2017, 12:44 PM »
Hi guys! We have just updated our website with testimonials and showcases of our clients. You can have a look at www.dominofix.com

You can also check out our Instagram profile where we post work from our clients using Dominofix connectors and our other products https://www.instagram.com/dominofix/

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Re: Festool DF500 Connector
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2017, 03:08 PM »
Hi guys! We have just updated our website with testimonials and showcases of our clients. You can have a look at www.dominofix.com

You can also check out our Instagram profile where we post work from our clients using Dominofix connectors and our other products https://www.instagram.com/dominofix/

Do you have any retailers in the US?
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Re: Festool DF500 Connector
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2017, 03:18 PM »
@vuongnuce   FYI...

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Re: Festool DF500 Connector
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2017, 04:25 PM »
Hi guys! We have just updated our website with testimonials and showcases of our clients. You can have a look at www.dominofix.com

You can also check out our Instagram profile where we post work from our clients using Dominofix connectors and our other products https://www.instagram.com/dominofix/


Do you have any retailers in the US?
@Dominofix

Unfortunately not at the moment. But we do ship worldwide and shipping is free on orders from 100€


Re: Festool DF500 Connector
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2017, 02:27 AM »
A German Festool Rep told me in person that they are working on a Domino connector and that they are well aware of the demand. They are not far off in presenting one. No time frame disclosed.

He also said it was difficult making a system based on anything smaller than the 8mm Domino and they had been looking at options for the fastening system, i.e. extra hole for a tightening hex key or "other". :)
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Re: Festool DF500 Connector
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2017, 03:54 PM »
A German Festool Rep told me in person that they are working on a Domino connector and that they are well aware of the demand. They are not far off in presenting one. No time frame disclosed.

He also said it was difficult making a system based on anything smaller than the 8mm Domino and they had been looking at options for the fastening system, i.e. extra hole for a tightening hex key or "other". :)

I doubt that to be honest... if a Festool rep has told you that then he would be fired instantly for sharing sensitive information.

Festool has tried it a few years ago but it’s difficult to have one according their standards and prIce classes so they made the XL connectors.

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Re: Festool DF500 Connector
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2017, 05:09 PM »
A German Festool Rep told me in person that they are working on a Domino connector and that they are well aware of the demand. They are not far off in presenting one. No time frame disclosed.

He also said it was difficult making a system based on anything smaller than the 8mm Domino and they had been looking at options for the fastening system, i.e. extra hole for a tightening hex key or "other". :)

I doubt that to be honest... if a Festool rep has told you that then he would be fired instantly for sharing sensitive information.

Festool has tried it a few years ago but it’s difficult to have one according their standards and prIce classes so they made the XL connectors.

That makes two you will have to doubt as my local Festool (UK) representative told me much the same when I asked why there were no connectors for the DF500.

Of course he could have been talking out of his rear, but the demonstrator at the open day said exactly the same whilst he showed me how the connectors worked with the DF700.

I am delighted to report that both are still employed by Festool and I bought the DF700 and the connectors after the demo. I hope they do bring out similar connectors for the DF500 as the design and quality ticks all the boxes for me.


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Re: Festool DF500 Connector
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2017, 05:33 PM »
A German Festool Rep told me in person that they are working on a Domino connector and that they are well aware of the demand. They are not far off in presenting one. No time frame disclosed.

He also said it was difficult making a system based on anything smaller than the 8mm Domino and they had been looking at options for the fastening system, i.e. extra hole for a tightening hex key or "other". :)

I doubt that to be honest... if a Festool rep has told you that then he would be fired instantly for sharing sensitive information.

Festool has tried it a few years ago but it’s difficult to have one according their standards and prIce classes so they made the XL connectors.

That makes two you will have to doubt as my local Festool (UK) representative told me much the same when I asked why there were no connectors for the DF500.

Of course he could have been talking out of his rear, but the demonstrator at the open day said exactly the same whilst he showed me how the connectors worked with the DF700.

I am delighted to report that both are still employed by Festool and I bought the DF700 and the connectors after the demo. I hope they do bring out similar connectors for the DF500 as the design and quality ticks all the boxes for me.

When was that if you don’t mind me asking? They where talking about it 1 year ago but for reasons they blew that off. We have checked with our dealers which are also Festool dealers in f course and non of them have heard anything of such.

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Re: Festool DF500 Connector
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2017, 05:48 PM »
I have used the current Festool connectors in a big project and really liked what they can do.

I think it would be very difficult to achieve the same level of results in a much smaller form factor.
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Re: Festool DF500 Connector
« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2017, 06:02 PM »
I have used the current Festool connectors in a big project and really liked what they can do.

I think it would be very difficult to achieve the same level of results in a much smaller form factor.

Indeed. The size of what the 500 can drill comes with limitations for connectors. For that reason they stopped working on the development of connectors for the 500. There are also the profit margins which are not feasible for Festool that are on connectors for the 500.

That’s why we where able to create the best possible connectors for the 500 within the limits of the standard drilling setting of the 500.

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Re: Festool DF500 Connector
« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2017, 06:38 PM »
Moderator note:  Festool has always been quiet about products in development.  At this point in time Dominofix is posting here about what Festool is or isn't doing.  If Festool does come out with a DF500 connector then Dominofix will be a direct competitor and will not be allowed to post about and market their products here.

I am posting this for clarity - not to criticize their products nor to prevent anyone from purchasing them.

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Re: Festool DF500 Connector
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2017, 01:28 AM »
Moderator note:  Festool has always been quiet about products in development.  At this point in time Dominofix is posting here about what Festool is or isn't doing.  If Festool does come out with a DF500 connector then Dominofix will be a direct competitor and will not be allowed to post about and market their products here.

I am posting this for clarity - not to criticize their products nor to prevent anyone from purchasing them.

Peter

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Re: Festool DF500 Connector
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2017, 05:18 AM »
I used the Festool corner connectors in building a bed frame. There was a connector and a 14mm X 100mm tenon at each corner. I had to beat the corners together with a dead blow hammer to seat the 14mm tenon. The connector did pull the joint together the last mm or so. In retrospect, I could have used two Festool connectors at each corner and done away with having to beat the pieces together. I also could have used two 14 X 100mm tenons glued at one end and pinned at the other end. The pounding would have been doubly difficult however.

Banging away with a dead blow hammer on a piece of furniture you are delivering makes clients edgy. Fortunately, the wood was oak so it didn’t dent and the finish was MinWax rub-on poly so it held up. For the above reason, my next project using Festool connectors will use only connectors and no tenons.
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Re: Festool DF500 Connector
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2017, 10:48 AM »
FWIW...I'd think that if Festool was going to release a knock-down style connector for the DF 500, they'd have already released a 12mm version for the DF 700 as opposed to just the 14mm version they currently have.
« Last Edit: November 01, 2017, 11:24 AM by Cheese »

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Re: Festool DF500 Connector
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2017, 11:58 AM »
For the above reason, my next project using Festool connectors will use only connectors and no tenons.
I'd rather sand down the tenon to go in easier than use connectors only. I don't think they are good for shear loads. It's just a hollow plastic insert that fills the void

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Re: Festool DF500 Connector
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2017, 12:43 PM »
For the above reason, my next project using Festool connectors will use only connectors and no tenons.
I'd rather sand down the tenon to go in easier than use connectors only. I don't think they are good for shear loads. It's just a hollow plastic insert that fills the void
Or microwave the domino to reduce it slightly in size.

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Re: Festool DF500 Connector
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2017, 01:12 PM »
I'd rather sand down the tenon to go in easier than use connectors only. I don't think they are good for shear loads. It's just a hollow plastic insert that fills the void

I agree...there's a reason why Festool publishes these particular photos for recommended application of their metal connectors.

The metal connectors cost 6 times more than the wooden Dominos, so it's financially advantageous for Festool to recommend that the metal connectors be used for every knock down joint, yet they don't do that.

Just pick up a roll of emery cloth and then it's easy to sand the Dominos to size once they're installed. It comes in widths from 3/4" to 2" and in grits from 50 to 500. It's used a ton in lathe work.
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Re: Festool DF500 Connector
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2017, 06:24 PM »
FWIW...I'd think that if Festool was going to release a knock-down style connector for the DF 500, they'd have already released a 12mm version for the DF 700 as opposed to just the 14mm version they currently have.

According to a german Festool rep I spoke with in person they are working on a DF500 connector. I think they are landing at the 8mm mark - it was not possible to make it smaller but from what I gathered they wanted to make it small enough to work with the DF500 yet differentiate it from the XL connectors and 8mm was the minimum. Or was it 10mm? Nah, pretty sure he said 8mm. There were other aspects that they were more concerned with than the size for practical purposes. The XL cuts both the tenon holes and access hole for the hardware connector and hex/fastener but they are (seemingly) doing it differently with the smaller connectors. Probably a 5/6mm hole for the hex key and with a separate jig for drilling that hole.

BTW I have made a very large build, essentially a large indoor greenhouse about 3x6 meter in size, using the XL and Domino XL connectors. We did all the load bearing joints with two 14mm Dominos perpendicular to a centered Domino connector to form a "triangle".  It was very solid and strong. Material was 100x100 or 115x115mm, honestly don't remember exactly what dimension it was.
« Last Edit: November 03, 2017, 06:33 PM by Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits »
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Re: Festool DF500 Connector
« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2017, 05:46 AM »
Obviously there will be commercial competition when Festool release a Domino 500 based connector system but I see no reason why @Dominofix will not be able to post in the Sales and Dealer area.

I am sure that Festool will produce a DF 500 connector as it would be mad to ignore market demand. The DF 700 system is brilliant and I have visited commercial woodworking enterprises that use it a lot. A DF 500 system would be available to a far wider customer base than the DF 700 system and would provide an interesting alternative to Lamello and the range of other systems used in the flat pack world.

I don't trust rumours but I bet that there is at least something on the Festool drawing board and it may well be being prototyped right now.

Peter

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Re: Festool DF500 Connector
« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2017, 11:29 AM »
According to a german Festool rep I spoke with in person they are working on a DF500 connector. I think they are landing at the 8mm mark - it was not possible to make it smaller but from what I gathered they wanted to make it small enough to work with the DF500 yet differentiate it from the XL connectors and 8mm was the minimum.

BTW I have made a very large build, essentially a large indoor greenhouse about 3x6 meter in size, using the XL and Domino XL connectors. We did all the load bearing joints with two 14mm Dominos perpendicular to a centered Domino connector to form a "triangle".  It was very solid and strong. Material was 100x100 or 115x115mm, honestly don't remember exactly what dimension it was.

Hey I hope your Festool rep is right on this...not every knock-down project can utilize 14mm XL connectors. I'd imagine there's a huge market for 500 sized connectors.

I'd be very interested in seeing a picture or two of that greenhouse. [smile]

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Re: Festool DF500 Connector
« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2017, 03:16 AM »

According to a german Festool rep I spoke with in person they are working on a DF500 connector. I think they are landing at the 8mm mark - it was not possible to make it smaller but from what I gathered they wanted to make it small enough to work with the DF500 yet differentiate it from the XL connectors and 8mm was the minimum. Or was it 10mm? Nah, pretty sure he said 8mm.
8mm would be useable for more project types than a 10mm one, still both the 500 and 700 could be used to make the mortices needed (as 8mm is the smallest cutter available for the 700XL).

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There were other aspects that they were more concerned with than the size for practical purposes. The XL cuts both the tenon holes and access hole for the hardware connector and hex/fastener but they are (seemingly) doing it differently with the smaller connectors. Probably a 5/6mm hole for the hex key and with a separate jig for drilling that hole.
A cross anchor piece that could be located flat (opposed to the current ones that are perpendicular and need an extra mortice on the face) inside the material would open the way toward interesting new builds...

Re: Festool DF500 Connector
« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2017, 02:58 AM »
According to a german Festool rep I spoke with in person they are working on a DF500 connector. I think they are landing at the 8mm mark - it was not possible to make it smaller but from what I gathered they wanted to make it small enough to work with the DF500 yet differentiate it from the XL connectors and 8mm was the minimum.

BTW I have made a very large build, essentially a large indoor greenhouse about 3x6 meter in size, using the XL and Domino XL connectors. We did all the load bearing joints with two 14mm Dominos perpendicular to a centered Domino connector to form a "triangle".  It was very solid and strong. Material was 100x100 or 115x115mm, honestly don't remember exactly what dimension it was.

Hey I hope your Festool rep is right on this...not every knock-down project can utilize 14mm XL connectors. I'd imagine there's a huge market for 500 sized connectors.

I'd be very interested in seeing a picture or two of that greenhouse. [smile]

He BETTER be right - he was an official German Festool rep from the company on a Demo day here in Sweden. Language barrier aside (I practiced my german, which is rusty and his english was a bit odd) but still it was very clear that he only gave away information on stuff that they had come a long way in developing. :)

I would rate the information given on these four levels of confirmation:

We currently have no plans for it (most likely will never happen - we don't see the point)

We are aware of the high demand and are looking in to it (is under development - stage of development not disclosed)

We are working on solutions for a Domino DF500 connector (it is almost done, otherwise I would not tell you any details)

There is one impact in development and it will maybe be released next year (it is done, for sure, we just need to fix the packaging and make sure we have a solid initial batch to send out, update the catalogue etc etc)

Of course I could be wrong but that would mean that he was lying (which I doubt) or that I was not getting the message right. But, I did ask sly counterquestions when he "slipped" on some details. :)

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Re: Festool DF500 Connector
« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2017, 03:30 AM »
Fingers crossed that it is @Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits  fourth option and it is just the packaging and instructions that need to be sorted out.

We shall see.

Peter

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Re: Festool DF500 Connector
« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2017, 03:55 AM »
Hope it is true, and Festool produce a decent solution with some good clamping power - as opposed to the half baked options currently available from third parties.

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Re: Festool DF500 Connector
« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2017, 06:54 AM »
@Henrik R / Pingvinlakrits — I see a future for you in counter-intelligence; you seem to have interrogation technique pat down.  [smile]
Cheers, Bert Vanderveen

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