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Offline fp1337

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2013, 02:54 PM »
I have this one: http://www.amazon.com/Wolfcraft-4525404-Attachment-4-Inch-8-Inch/dp/B000JCIMEA/ref=pd_cp_hi_0

Not the best, but better than most others in this technology. I have yet to find something better to drill 3/4 inch forstner holes straight in the middle of a large piece of wood (does not fit drill press). I can even enlarge an existing forstner hole which is not possible with just a drill. But I'm still interested in more accurate means.

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Offline unclefester

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #31 on: January 01, 2014, 02:43 PM »
+1 on the "GARBAGE"  It's horrible in any position other than 90, and even drilling at 90 it's got a bit of slop.  

I had hopes of using it to drill out a 3/4 gridded bench top for clamping and just gave up after all of the randomness!

Cheers,
Eric

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Your photos are great.  Makes me want to get the drill press and I don't even want one or would ever use it [laughing]

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Offline mhmcgrath

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2017, 09:41 AM »
Hi,
I'm new to the forum and just converting my shop to Festool.  I've been woodworking for many years using
a variety of tools added over the years.  I will be posting a shop tour and documenting my Festool "tooling up." 
But for now I wanted to offer an idea on this thread of a drill stand.
I own a Swiss Rex vise system (heavy duty version of the old Zyliss vise, which I also own).  It may work for
the Festool drills, though I can't test since I don't own one (yet!).  If its the standard metric collar size at the
drill's working end, it should work.
Watch the video for an idea of how it functions.  The drill stuff is later in the video, but you may like the vise
anyway!  I have a drill which I clamp in mine as an abrasive tool.


Cheers,
Mike
BTW, how do you format these posts (I'm a rookie poster) on a Mac? 
My lines just keep running out to the right!

Offline mhmcgrath

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2017, 01:21 PM »
Here's a pic of the setup.



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Offline Holmz

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2017, 03:27 PM »
@mhmcgrath is that 43-mm diameter holed thing that is attached to the Zyliss vice something that comes with the newer Zyliss vices?
or
Was it something that was made and attached to the vice?



I just figured out the the US spelling is 'vise' and the rest of the world is 'vice'.

Offline mike_aa

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2017, 05:58 PM »
@mhmcgrath is that 43-mm diameter holed thing that is attached to the Zyliss vice something that comes with the newer Zyliss vices?
or
Was it something that was made and attached to the vice?



I just figured out the the US spelling is 'vise' and the rest of the world is 'vice'.

@Holmz  when I see the word "vice" is what comes to mind!   [eek]

Offline mhmcgrath

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2017, 08:56 PM »
@mhmcgrath is that 43-mm diameter holed thing that is attached to the Zyliss vice something that comes with the newer Zyliss vices?
or
Was it something that was made and attached to the vice?



I just figured out the the US spelling is 'vise' and the rest of the world is 'vice'.
It is integral to both the SwissRex (in my photo) and to the "modern" Zyliss vises - in the latter it is a separate, but rail compatible, fitting that comes with the vise. (several makes nowadays).  You can always check Ebay where these types of vises are up for sale.  They are in varying states of repair and completeness - I have purchased two over the years there that were BARGAINS.

Offline Z48LT1

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2017, 11:41 PM »
I need one of those SwissRex systems but Google is failing me.  Anyone know where I can get one in NA?

Best,

Gary

Offline Holmz

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2017, 06:17 AM »
@mike_aa I think of a CZ70, or a Sphinx, when I think of Miami Vice.

Offline mhmcgrath

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2017, 06:27 AM »
I need one of those SwissRex systems but Google is failing me.  Anyone know where I can get one in NA?

Best,

Gary
I can recommend Advanced Machinery, right here in little old Delaware!  https://advanced-machinery.myshopify.com/. Small company, specialized European made equipment, good to work with.  This is where I purchased my SwissRex.


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Offline PreferrablyWood

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2017, 03:13 PM »
I've been seriously considering getting a drill press but don't have a shop as yet, so if I could find a drill stand that at least sturdy enough It might be better for my mobile shop situation and work out fine for most of my uses; metal work, making precise jigs, Model making spindle sander etc.

I found this  at Dieter Schnid - Fine tools https://www.fine-tools.com/bohrstaender.html the last offering on the page  a DUSS Precision Drill Stand KB 43 solid as a rock and you can rotate the head so you can use it to drill in the middle of a piece, I had thought of making an offset bench so you could drill through to 240mm by flipping the stock around normally it comes with 120mm depth of travel which for most uses would be fine. Putting a heavy duty Festool drill in it would be great if you have a lot of centrotec bits.. Unfortunately the collar is 43mm so it wouldn't fit the beefier Festool drill  DR 20 FF https://www.toolstime.de/Festool-Bohrmaschine-DR-20-E-FF-Set-768933 just the smaller Quadrill https://www.toolstime.de/Festool-Bohrmaschinen-QUADRILL-DR-18-4-E-FFP-Set, which is no slouch and would be compatible with the PDC quick fix chucks I already own..
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Offline charley1968

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #41 on: February 11, 2017, 01:34 AM »
I'm on the fence for the Mafell BST 460 S. Haven't found much video footage so if anyone knows alink, feel free..
What i like about it is the ability to drill at a repeatable angle, i  can see some creative uses for that.
Just for today..

Offline neeleman

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #42 on: February 11, 2017, 05:28 AM »
Here's a video of the BST 320 which is similar to the 460 model.

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Offline charley1968

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #43 on: February 11, 2017, 01:28 PM »
Thank,@neeleman, that's about the only vid i found on google. Though, i believe it's the 46cm or 65 cm version; cuz afaik there's no 32cm version where one can rotate the pillar.
Just for today..

Offline TinyShop

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #44 on: January 05, 2018, 09:21 PM »
I just stumbled on the following Made in Germany and very reasonably priced line of drill stands:

https://www.wabeco-remscheid.de/catalog/category/view/s/drill-stands-and-accessories/id/104/

And now commences the oft repeated search for a retailer (maybe the manufacturer?) that is willing to send one across the pond....

Oh, but before I begin the search: all of the drill stands I've found that are marketed on the Atlantic's right coast are designed for drills that have a "43mm neck size". I'm away from my tools at the moment so I can't verify what "neck size" my ~decade-old US-made 1/2" Milwaukee drill has. But, if I had to guess, I'd wager it's not 43mm. I only assume this based on our tendency in the U.S.A. to not adopt standards that the rest of the world uses. Anyways, does anyone know how the neck sizes of our drills compare to the 43mm standard? IOW, are our drills compatible with Euro-drill stands?

The only English-language video review I can find:



Edit: FWIW there are several eBay sellers that are specifying shipping to the U.S.A. for a selection of these drill stands. That makes it easy.
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Offline Cheese

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #45 on: January 06, 2018, 11:57 AM »
I'm away from my tools at the moment so I can't verify what "neck size" my ~decade-old US-made 1/2" Milwaukee drill has. But, if I had to guess, I'd wager it's not 43mm.

I believe it's 46mm because I was also looking at using the Wabeco stand with a 1/2" Milwaukee for simple outdoor projects when you're away from the drill press.

Offline TinyShop

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #46 on: January 06, 2018, 03:01 PM »
I'm away from my tools at the moment so I can't verify what "neck size" my ~decade-old US-made 1/2" Milwaukee drill has. But, if I had to guess, I'd wager it's not 43mm.

I believe it's 46mm because I was also looking at using the Wabeco stand with a 1/2" Milwaukee for simple outdoor projects when you're away from the drill press.

OK, thanks so much for the info!

And, although you correctly assumed that my drill has a "neck" (I've noticed that many drills nowadays - at least those that don't have an allowance for the installation of a right angle stabilizing handle - go directly from motor housing to the spinning end of the drill, so no "neck" to speak of) I should have stated that my drill features a splined neck that is designed to accept the right-angle stabilizing handle that it originally came with. This uniform "neck" gives me some hope that I can make my corded drill work with a euro-drill stand. Now to contact Wabeco to see if they can assist in devising a workaround to my drill's non-standard neck diameter/design.

I should note that I don't have a shop (only a storage room) which is the primary reason behind my moving in the direction of a drill stand. I don't want (nor do I want or have the dedicated space for) a drill press. Plus, I'm addicted in all areas of my life to tools/devices/spaces/stuff that have multiple uses/functions - like a telephone that is also still camera, video camera, audio recorder, computer, etc., or a TS 75 which is a track saw but also the business-end of my CMS table saw (w/sliding table), the latter of which is also my router table, soon-to-be sanding table and soon-to-be jigsaw table, etc. For my various uses (and owing to the self-imposed limitations demanded by my oath to voluntary simplicity), my mantra is, "Why own a dedicated tool when I can own one that can accomplish multiple functions?" Therefore, a high quality drill stand (which I can also perhaps adapt to my Fein Mulitmaster, which, as its name implies, is also adept at accomplishing numerous tasks) is right up my alley. ;)       

Offline TinyShop

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #47 on: January 06, 2018, 03:28 PM »
I just discovered that what I assumed comprised the Fein "drill stand" is actually just an adapter designed to fit "popular" drill stands thus allowing the Fein MM (or, for that matter, the Vecturo) to work in conjunction with what are otherwise "standard" Euro-drill stands. This dovetails nicely with the recent discussion that appears elsewhere on this forum about the compatibility between the Vecturo and the Fein-branded drill stand adapter (and other Fein-branded accessories):

 http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/fein-table-top-and-drill-jigs-support-with-vecturo/msg533533/#msg533533

Should be an easy matter procuring the adapter to allow the Vecturo (or, in my case, the Fein MM) to be used in conjunction with any "standard" drill stand - like those produced by Wabeco - should I encounter the need.

« Last Edit: January 07, 2018, 12:05 AM by TinyShop »

Offline TinyShop

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #48 on: April 15, 2018, 05:37 PM »
Just resurrecting this post to add that the manufacturer of the Festool version is in fact Famag. Check out the relevant pages of Famag's most recent catalog for more:

https://www.famag.com/FileContent/Catalogues/FAMAG_Katalog_BORMAX%202.0_GB.pdf#page=40

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2018, 06:07 PM »
@TinyShop “Festool version” of what?
Does Famag make a drill stand?
No mention of such in the index of that catalog.

Offline TinyShop

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #50 on: April 15, 2018, 07:01 PM »
Also, just stumbled upon another option, this time from Japan. Behold, the very reasonably priced Kanzawa K-801-4, angle-adjustable portable drill stand:









Kanzawa makes other fixed (i.e. "90-degree") stands as well. Here's the relevant page on their website:

http://www.kanzawa.co.jp/products/attachment01.html#01

As of this writing there are numerous eBay sellers offering these stands to the N.A. public. (examples)

Obviously, a major advantage of the Kanzawa offerings (at least to those of us located in N.A.) - owing to the integrated/onboard Jacobs chuck - is the lack of a need for a drill that features a 43mm collet (the "Euro-standard"). Additionally, both the angle-adjustable version (which should fold into a flat package with the quick-release cam-locks or guide-rods themselves removed) and the fixed 90-degree versions (all of which which are easily disassembled) are ideal for storage/transport. Maybe they would fit nicely into a systainer?

Here's a fixed-angle K-801 in action (showing, among other things, its use as an oversized depth stop):



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Offline TinyShop

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #51 on: April 15, 2018, 07:11 PM »
@TinyShop “Festool version” of what?
Does Famag make a drill stand?
No mention of such in the index of that catalog.

My post assumed folks were aware of the Festool product that forms the entire basis for the OP. My apologies for any confusion. So, to clarify, Famag manufactures the Festool GD-320 Drill Stand (768768).

Regarding your other question, I already linked to the relevant page in the catalog (Pages 38-39). But, if you're looking solely at the Table of Contents, then you'll want to refer to "Drill Rig for Auger Bits".   
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Offline yetihunter

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #52 on: April 15, 2018, 08:31 PM »
Two things on the original question: the Mafell one is the way to go. 
On either, you need to use really long (aka really expensive) augers. 
These are timberframing tools, and not really practical for woodworking/cabinetry/finish carpentry.






For the follow up comments, the smaller/cheaper designs (like the Wolfcraft) are generally very very very bad.   There are some higher quality products in Europe, but those are more of a makeshift drill press than something that you bring to the work.

The Kanazawa one is new too me, however.  I want to check this out.   It borrows the main themes of the cheapies, but it may possibly be legit where the concept of "actual functional tool" is concerned.
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #53 on: April 15, 2018, 08:35 PM »
Thanks for the extra links.
When I went to the Famag catalog it just started with the first page.

I was somewhat familiar with the thread but since it had moved beyound the Famag/Protool/Festool drill guide a long time ago I wasn’t sure of the subject of your addition.

The Kanzawa looks pretty robust. Much better than the General I have and haven’t used in decades.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #54 on: April 15, 2018, 08:56 PM »
UJK from the UK also offers a drill stand that’s machined from aluminum billet, it’s constructed nicely.  TSO Products is the distributor in the US.

https://tsoproducts.com/workholding-accessories/ujk-technology-drill-guide/

Offline yetihunter

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #55 on: April 15, 2018, 09:07 PM »
UJK from the UK also offers a drill stand that’s machined from aluminum billet, it’s constructed nicely.  TSO Products is the distributor in the US.

https://tsoproducts.com/workholding-accessories/ujk-technology-drill-guide/

Oh dang, I forgot about seeing that one.  It works with Centrotec and ball detent chucks as a bonus prize!

Offline TinyShop

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #56 on: April 15, 2018, 10:07 PM »
UJK from the UK also offers a drill stand that’s machined from aluminum billet, it’s constructed nicely.  TSO Products is the distributor in the US.

https://tsoproducts.com/workholding-accessories/ujk-technology-drill-guide/

We have a winner! :) I just signed up to receive an alert when they become available.

Given it's esteemed provenance, I'm really surprised the forthcoming UJK model has no allowance for dust collection. Maybe the fine people at @TSO Products can nudge the UJK / @AxminsterTools folks in that direction? I'm envisioning a removable clear hood similar to the version that comes with the OF1400 (or equivalent). Even the poorly reviewed sweatshop-made Wolfcraft TecMobil drill stand comes with one:



Anyways, thanks for the heads up! :)

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Offline yetihunter

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #57 on: April 15, 2018, 10:47 PM »
I just saw that they took it off of the market (shortly after the first run).
Hopefully they still plan to relaunch.

Offline TinyShop

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #58 on: April 16, 2018, 01:33 AM »
I just saw that they took it off of the market (shortly after the first run).
Hopefully they still plan to relaunch.

Noooooooooo!

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Re: Festool Drill Stand
« Reply #59 on: April 16, 2018, 07:59 AM »
YES, AXMINSTER is bringing the Drill Jig back in a refined version. As soon as we have an availability date we will notify everyone via our TSO INSIDER newsletter and all who signed up for notification on our product page.
here's the link for the sign up:
https://tsoproducts.com/workholding-accessories/ujk-technology-drill-guide/

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