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Offline idratherplaytennis

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Re: Festool ETS EC150/5 6" Random Orbit Sander
« Reply #30 on: October 05, 2015, 10:46 PM »
Just got the last ETS EC 150/3 that my local Festool-stocked store had  [big grin] (In my head I'm thinking about darn time after the last few weeks I've had where it's nothing but setback after setback, via work or whatever- just a BAD few weeks, haha). Wish I had the chance to try it out other then wave it around in the air pretending it was an airplane  [blink]. Had to spend most of the day cleaning up our CT36AC which we'd been using for a drywall job and I don't have my RO90 with CT26 combo pack yet  [mad].

Going to be giving it a great workout in the next few days sanding down some 25-30 year old clear-coats from like 30-35 cabinet doors and drawers on an apartment job I'm on.

First impression, however- is since I've only EVER used a 1/2 sheet finish sander (think RS2), I'm totally satisfied with the weight and the size as well. It's strange- when I first looked at the 5" and 6" sandpaper to decide a few months back, and looking at the actual size of the regular ETS 125 and 150's, the 6" seemed gigantic. Now that I bought this, I guess it's the lower profile and smaller size, the 6" seems to be a great choice (for what I will be using it on). That plus the fact that I'll have an RO90 in the next few weeks plus my 1/2 sheet will set me up pretty good for awhile, I believe.

I briefly considered the Mirka stuff- but then I realized, hey- I've NEVER heard of it until reading these forums, and after the great support I've read about and experience with the Festool brand, it was a very fleeting thought. Plus hey... there's almost ALWAYS something better... right? I'm just glad I had postponed the ETS purchase until now- the store didn't get them to sell until the first, then the rep told me they were selling like crazy.

Also, to chime in on the other posts- The big deciding factor of the 5" or the 6" for me was that I WILL be getting the RO90 which is half as big as the 6, and the 150/3 as many have said is the perfect compliment to the RO150 I plan to get. I haven't used the RO150 yet, however I have used the RO90 on a test and it's really not that hard to keep a good balance in my opinion.

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Offline idratherplaytennis

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Re: Festool ETS EC150/5 6" Random Orbit Sander
« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2015, 11:17 PM »
My ETS EC 150/3 was finally delivered on Saturday, so I thought I'd post a few first impressions...

BTW, I purchased the 150/3 instead of the 150/5 because I've been building modern minimalist furniture using exotic veneers lately and I wanted a sander which was less aggressive on the veneers.

I'd like to qualify my comments by stating that this is my first Festool sander, so I can only compare it to my 18 year old DeWalt 5" ROS fitted with a Mirka Abranet base pad.  I've been very happy with the Mirka Abranet abrasives, so I modified some 150 mm Mirka pad protectors to match the Festool 17 hole layout and fitted the ETS EC 150/3 with the hard (blue) base pad, the modified Mirka pad protector and some 120 grit Abranet.

My first test was on some dirty weathered scraps of Baltic birch ply I had.  I have to admit, I was very surprised at the power of the 150/3.  For a "less aggressive" sander, this bad boy definitely has some muscle. Within seconds, the surface was clean and new looking. Although the sander is actually heavier than I anticipated, I love the way it just glides over the surface - then I realized that I had forgotten to turn down the suction on my new CT 26 - it was set on MAX!  Well, that was a surprise, I thought I was suppose to turn down the suction for a sander, but apparently, that's not necessary with the ETS EC models. BTW, the pad brake is awesome! Practically stops on a dime - no need for that "Sander Sitter" any more.

I didn't have as much time this weekend to use the sander as I would have liked to, but my first impressions are very positive. My only negative comment is that when you put the sander down with the hose attached, it doesn't balance on it's base pad.  Fortunately, a small block of 2 by 4 under the hose solves that problem. I did have a little difficulty forcing the new 27 mm hose over the dust collection tube, but I'm guessing that will loosen up over time.

All in all, I'm very happy with the ETS EC 150/3 so far.  I'm starting a new furniture project this week, so I'm anxious to see how it performs on veneer with the higher grit abrasives...    [big grin]

So. I just used (after being antsy about trying to get started all day) my ETS EC 150/3 and I just wanted to reaffirm one last time that all of Steve's comments are spot on about this sander. I have only ever used a fixed orbit sander with a 2.6mm orbit (I don't know what my dad's Milwaukee 1/2 sheet was, but I suspect it was similar), and I was wondering how much of a difference or if the 150/3 would be aggressive enough to suit my current needs or if I would be going out to get the RO150 (the plan was to hold off on the RO150 purchase for awhile) after determining that I need more aggressiveness for my current job (sanding some clear-coated 30 year old cabinet doors/drawers down to redo).

Well- I needn't have worried. The 150/3 with some 80 grit cut down with the CT26 on max suction like butter, floating like a butterfly, stinging the clear coat like a bee. Okay- that last part about the bee, I don't know- bad analogy, but it went right through on the 2 drawer faces and edges and the sandpaper looks brand new still. I know my other sander would have had plenty of build up and taken at least twice as long (partly because until now, I never had a suitable dust collector to hook up to it's port). I'll probably switch over to the RO90 in random orbit mode for the remainder of the drawers though, because despite being perfectly sized at about 5-6" tall, they have subtle dips that, even with the normal pad on the 150/3, makes me a little afraid to lift and shape it. I'll either get the soft pad tomorrow to try that out, or just go with the 90 to get an even layer of the clear coat off.

Getting an RO90, CT26 and ETS EC 150/3 in the last 3 days was most definitely a heck of an investment, but I feel more than confident this is one investment that will pay off. Just with the dust collection alone! Hallelujah, gone are my days of sand, wipe, sand, wipe, sand-change paper-wipe, sand more...  [big grin]

Offline leakyroof

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Re: Festool ETS EC150/5 6" Random Orbit Sander
« Reply #32 on: October 07, 2015, 11:48 AM »
My ETS EC 150/3 was finally delivered on Saturday, so I thought I'd post a few first impressions...

BTW, I purchased the 150/3 instead of the 150/5 because I've been building modern minimalist furniture using exotic veneers lately and I wanted a sander which was less aggressive on the veneers.

I'd like to qualify my comments by stating that this is my first Festool sander, so I can only compare it to my 18 year old DeWalt 5" ROS fitted with a Mirka Abranet base pad.  I've been very happy with the Mirka Abranet abrasives, so I modified some 150 mm Mirka pad protectors to match the Festool 17 hole layout and fitted the ETS EC 150/3 with the hard (blue) base pad, the modified Mirka pad protector and some 120 grit Abranet.

My first test was on some dirty weathered scraps of Baltic birch ply I had.  I have to admit, I was very surprised at the power of the 150/3.  For a "less aggressive" sander, this bad boy definitely has some muscle. Within seconds, the surface was clean and new looking. Although the sander is actually heavier than I anticipated, I love the way it just glides over the surface - then I realized that I had forgotten to turn down the suction on my new CT 26 - it was set on MAX!  Well, that was a surprise, I thought I was suppose to turn down the suction for a sander, but apparently, that's not necessary with the ETS EC models. BTW, the pad brake is awesome! Practically stops on a dime - no need for that "Sander Sitter" any more.

I didn't have as much time this weekend to use the sander as I would have liked to, but my first impressions are very positive. My only negative comment is that when you put the sander down with the hose attached, it doesn't balance on it's base pad.  Fortunately, a small block of 2 by 4 under the hose solves that problem. I did have a little difficulty forcing the new 27 mm hose over the dust collection tube, but I'm guessing that will loosen up over time.

All in all, I'm very happy with the ETS EC 150/3 so far.  I'm starting a new furniture project this week, so I'm anxious to see how it performs on veneer with the higher grit abrasives...    [big grin]

So. I just used (after being antsy about trying to get started all day) my ETS EC 150/3 and I just wanted to reaffirm one last time that all of Steve's comments are spot on about this sander. I have only ever used a fixed orbit sander with a 2.6mm orbit (I don't know what my dad's Milwaukee 1/2 sheet was, but I suspect it was similar), and I was wondering how much of a difference or if the 150/3 would be aggressive enough to suit my current needs or if I would be going out to get the RO150 (the plan was to hold off on the RO150 purchase for awhile) after determining that I need more aggressiveness for my current job (sanding some clear-coated 30 year old cabinet doors/drawers down to redo).

Well- I needn't have worried. The 150/3 with some 80 grit cut down with the CT26 on max suction like butter, floating like a butterfly, stinging the clear coat like a bee. Okay- that last part about the bee, I don't know- bad analogy, but it went right through on the 2 drawer faces and edges and the sandpaper looks brand new still. I know my other sander would have had plenty of build up and taken at least twice as long (partly because until now, I never had a suitable dust collector to hook up to it's port). I'll probably switch over to the RO90 in random orbit mode for the remainder of the drawers though, because despite being perfectly sized at about 5-6" tall, they have subtle dips that, even with the normal pad on the 150/3, makes me a little afraid to lift and shape it. I'll either get the soft pad tomorrow to try that out, or just go with the 90 to get an even layer of the clear coat off.

Getting an RO90, CT26 and ETS EC 150/3 in the last 3 days was most definitely a heck of an investment, but I feel more than confident this is one investment that will pay off. Just with the dust collection alone! Hallelujah, gone are my days of sand, wipe, sand, wipe, sand-change paper-wipe, sand more...  [big grin]
  Get that super soft pad and try your new sander out on those curves- Watch how the electronics on the sander tries to work with you on slowing down as you're working around the edges of something.. very cool [smile]
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Re: Festool ETS EC150/5 6" Random Orbit Sander
« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2015, 05:42 AM »
I just wanted to report what a pleasure using the ETS-EC 150/5 has been over the past few days.  The 5mm stroke makes for a noticeably higher removal rate than the 3mm stroke of my older ETS model.  Yesterday I sanded down a drawer I built from 1/2" poplar, which still had significant waviness from the planer (I waited on the sanding until it was assembled specifically to test the ETS-EC on this sort of application).  Using the Rotex on the large, assembled drawer would have made for a lot of vibration, and the ETS 150/3 would have been pretty slow going, but the ETS-EC made quick, efficient work of the task.

Two things in particular that stand out. 

1) Sanding near the edges: I guess this is a function of the electronics in the motor, but it is uncanny how the sander "senses" when part of the pad has moved over the edge and is spinning on air.  It almost feels like the sander has an autopilot function that prevents you from running too far off the edge and tipping.   

2) Pad brake -- When you turn off the switch, it comes to a rapid stop.  Not that it's the end of the world waiting a few seconds for a sander to come to a complete stop, but if you are doing a sanding job with a lot of starting and stopping, this feature is a tremendous help, and ensures you won't mar the work by accidentally placing the sander on the piece before it has stopped spinning.

Bottom line is that I'm really happy I made the investment.  I look forward to putting it through its full paces in the coming weeks.
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Re: Festool ETS EC150/5 6" Random Orbit Sander
« Reply #34 on: October 08, 2015, 11:58 AM »
Ed,  Should your fellow Festoolians be concerned that you may be OD-ing on the green Kool-Aid if your posting to the FOG at 5:42 AM?   [big grin]

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Re: Festool ETS EC150/5 6" Random Orbit Sander
« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2015, 12:28 PM »

Go by your own typical tasks. If you need a 5", you need a 5". The type of work YOU do is the only determining factor. If I am on a task that is best suited to 5", a 6" is a boat anchor. Flip the scene, and the exterior inch at times can allow you to get tasks done in many fewer passes.

Good post, in theory I agree, if you need a 5" sander....purchase a 5" sander. However, I think the major problem is that this forum is frequented by mostly DIY'ers so purchasing a $400 sander for a single job is a tough enough stretch let alone having to purchase another $200 sander for a different  project. I know that for me it has been a slow accumulation of Festool tools over a long period of time.

I'm not sure this is accurate. Each of us is crazy in his own way but if there is one way in which we all tend to be crazy it would probably be in the number of sanders we own.  [embarassed]

Case in point: I have nine Festool sanders (I think, I might be missing one or two [embarassed]), but no 125s. This past week I was sanding a six panel door and thought a 125 might be just right for the square panels. I settled for using my DTS there, while I felt the RTS worked better on the rectangular panels. It may just my imagination that I needed two sanders for the panels, who really knows the right answer besides Scott? Oh, by the way, I used my 150 ETS for the rails and stiles. Am I crazy? Of course, but I bet I am not that unique amongst the DIYers on this forum.

Another note: I heard, unofficially, that a 150 pad will fit on a 125 EC. I have not confirmed this.
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Re: Festool ETS EC150/5 6" Random Orbit Sander
« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2015, 03:26 PM »
Hahaha.  I've been sick the last few days and so have been going to bed rather early -- consequence being I'm awake by 5am.  And my computer is right next to the coffee pot, so while I'm waiting for it to brew....ok yes, it's a concern.

Ed,  Should your fellow Festoolians be concerned that you may be OD-ing on the green Kool-Aid if your posting to the FOG at 5:42 AM?   [big grin]
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Re: Festool ETS EC150/5 6" Random Orbit Sander
« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2015, 03:28 PM »

Go by your own typical tasks. If you need a 5", you need a 5". The type of work YOU do is the only determining factor. If I am on a task that is best suited to 5", a 6" is a boat anchor. Flip the scene, and the exterior inch at times can allow you to get tasks done in many fewer passes.

Good post, in theory I agree, if you need a 5" sander....purchase a 5" sander. However, I think the major problem is that this forum is frequented by mostly DIY'ers so purchasing a $400 sander for a single job is a tough enough stretch let alone having to purchase another $200 sander for a different  project. I know that for me it has been a slow accumulation of Festool tools over a long period of time.

I'm not sure this is accurate. Each of us is crazy in his own way but if there is one way in which we all tend to be crazy it would probably be in the number of sanders we own.  [embarassed]

Case in point: I have nine Festool sanders (I think, I might be missing one or two [embarassed]), but no 125s. This past week I was sanding a six panel door and thought a 125 might be just right for the square panels. I settled for using my DTS there, while I felt the RTS worked better on the rectangular panels. It may just my imagination that I needed two sanders for the panels, who really knows the right answer besides Scott? Oh, by the way, I used my 150 ETS for the rails and stiles. Am I crazy? Of course, but I bet I am not that unique amongst the DIYers on this forum.

Another note: I heard, unofficially, that a 150 pad will fit on a 125 EC. I have not confirmed this.
  You're not alone.... I now own 12 of their sanders, although one of them is my old ETS 150/5 that I need to sell off..  As for the pads, I thought I heard that the smaller 125mm EC sander is using the smaller LEX air sander pad versus what the larger 150mm sander is using.  Not sure if this is true, or the interchange ability of it all... [blink]
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Re: Festool ETS EC150/5 6" Random Orbit Sander
« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2015, 08:17 PM »
I don't think it really matters if you are a DIY/Hobbyist or a daily user, what I have been chewing on and starting to digest lately is that regardless of tool type, if a tool is too large or powerful for the task at hand, it will slow you down. No matter how many sanders you have, there are times when you will choose your DTS over your RO150 because it is the right size and power for the task at hand. Same applies with pressure washers, paint sprayers or saws. Call it, right sizing.

I think the world of Festool sanding boils down to whether you are a sander user who just wants to own one and get the most out of it in all tasks possible, or whether you feel you need to own a fleet of sanders and demand the best of the strengths from each. The viability of either will be different from one person to the next. It seems that it is hard to live with just one.


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Re: Festool ETS EC150/5 6" Random Orbit Sander
« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2015, 08:35 PM »
I don't think it really matters if you are a DIY/Hobbyist or a daily user, what I have been chewing on and starting to digest lately is that regardless of tool type, if a tool is too large or powerful for the task at hand, it will slow you down. No matter how many sanders you have, there are times when you will choose your DTS over your RO150 because it is the right size and power for the task at hand. Same applies with pressure washers, paint sprayers or saws. Call it, right sizing.

I think the world of Festool sanding boils down to whether you are a sander user who just wants to own one and get the most out of it in all tasks possible, or whether you feel you need to own a fleet of sanders and demand the best of the strengths from each. The viability of either will be different from one person to the next. It seems that it is hard to live with just one.
.  True- I size the tool to the job at hand, doesn't matter if it's sanding or something else.
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Re: Festool ETS EC150/5 6" Random Orbit Sander
« Reply #40 on: October 08, 2015, 08:42 PM »
I don't think it really matters if you are a DIY/Hobbyist or a daily user, what I have been chewing on and starting to digest lately is that regardless of tool type, if a tool is too large or powerful for the task at hand, it will slow you down. No matter how many sanders you have, there are times when you will choose your DTS over your RO150 because it is the right size and power for the task at hand. Same applies with pressure washers, paint sprayers or saws. Call it, right sizing.

I think the world of Festool sanding boils down to whether you are a sander user who just wants to own one and get the most out of it in all tasks possible, or whether you feel you need to own a fleet of sanders and demand the best of the strengths from each. The viability of either will be different from one person to the next. It seems that it is hard to live with just one.
.  True- I size the tool to the job at hand, doesn't matter if it's sanding or something else.

That's just reality in tool selection. There is no right or wrong answer, it just always seems to come down to frequency of use and types of tasks. Some people sand 6 hours a year, and some people sand 6 hours a day.

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Re: Festool ETS EC150/5 6" Random Orbit Sander
« Reply #41 on: October 09, 2015, 09:42 AM »
Ya... @greg mann
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@Scott Burt you guys are probably right. There's just something weird about needing to own all the Festool sanders. I can't explain it, I owned 6 of them including the RO/ETS 125 so that size should have been covered. However a few days ago I just HAD to purchase an ETS EC 125 so now I own 7 and I still don't own a 150 sized entry. There's just something about those sanders....
« Last Edit: October 09, 2015, 10:06 AM by Cheese »

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« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2015, 12:14 PM »
Owning 7 Festool sanders but no 150 sized entry, now THAT'S weird.  [big grin]

I'm trying to kick the habit, I once had 11, but it's now down to 7.

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« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2015, 02:05 PM »
Hey, nothing weird at all @Cheese !.  I did a box-style table a few weeks ago, which was a pretty straightforward project, yet I found I needed to have 4 sanders on site.  The RO150 for the coarse sanding of the plywood (and for cleaning up the dents made during transport), the ETS 150/3 for a final finish sand to remove the swirl marks of the Rotex mode, the RTS400 for the edges, and then the RO90 in delta mode to get the glue out of the corners and along the inside of the butt joints.  Could I have done all this with, say, the RTS400 alone?  Probably (though it doesn't get as far into the edge as the delta head of the RO90), but it would have been really slow going, and no fun at all.   

Ya... @greg mann
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@Scott Burt you guys are probably right. There's just something weird about needing to own all the Festool sanders. I can't explain it, I owned 6 of them including the RO/ETS 125 so that size should have been covered. However a few days ago I just HAD to purchase an ETS EC 125 so now I own 7 and I still don't own a 150 sized entry. There's just something about those sanders....
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Re: Festool ETS EC150/5 6" Random Orbit Sander
« Reply #44 on: October 09, 2015, 03:27 PM »
A little off topic but I am bringing it up since Scott is following this discussion. Whoever said, "Throw a coat of paint on it and they'll never see it." was a bald-faced liar. The six-panel door I referred to earlier has 2 coats of primer(W and W) and two coats of Pro Classic and I can see EVERYTHING underneath.  [embarassed]

Of course, the wife doesn't see everything and is happy so I take solace in that. I've got 6 more doors to do and I am holding out hope that I just might be satisfied with the last one. I was too casual prepping the door before painting and I have come to the realization that prepping for paint is analogous to prepping lumber for furniture, i.e. straight, square parallel, and flat in that case. Smooth, uniform and flaw free for painting. One should approach painting preparation as though he would be staining and finishing with a clear medium like oil, varnish, shellac, lacquer. To bring it back on topic, I believe that is one of the places where sander choice comes into play, before painting and in between coats.   
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Re: Festool ETS EC150/5 6" Random Orbit Sander
« Reply #45 on: October 09, 2015, 03:42 PM »
Owning 7 Festool sanders but no 150 sized entry, now THAT'S weird.  [big grin]

I'm trying to kick the habit, I once had 11, but it's now down to 7.
. What sanders did you sell off?
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Re: Festool ETS EC150/5 6" Random Orbit Sander
« Reply #46 on: October 09, 2015, 05:18 PM »
A little off topic but I am bringing it up since Scott is following this discussion. Whoever said, "Throw a coat of paint on it and they'll never see it." was a bald-faced liar. The six-panel door I referred to earlier has 2 coats of primer(W and W) and two coats of Pro Classic and I can see EVERYTHING underneath.  [embarassed]

It depends what "it" is. There are very few times when that old adage ever really holds up. It is most possible when painting interior walls with flat paint. You can lose some imperfections in flat paint. When there is a sheen, it is a different ballgame.

The mind F is that with primer (which is flat) everything looks great.

First coat of paint (sheen) you start to see something (especially if inspecting with LED). Then, there is the temptation...will more paint make it better or worse? Sounds like you have discovered the answer. So, the solution is to learn how to do cosmetic work after first coat of paint and make THAT go away without flashing in one more finish coat. Therein lies much of the art.

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Re: Festool ETS EC150/5 6" Random Orbit Sander
« Reply #47 on: October 09, 2015, 06:07 PM »
The mind F is that with primer (which is flat) everything looks great.

I guess that's the reason why all of the walls in my house are painted flat white...

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Re: Festool ETS EC150/5 6" Random Orbit Sander
« Reply #48 on: October 09, 2015, 11:06 PM »
@Alex
Owning 7 Festool sanders but no 150 sized entry, now THAT'S weird.  [big grin]

You're right...I won't argue that point with you...

But the ETS EC is really nice, I don't really consider it to be that much smoother than the ETS, just a bit perhaps...a little bit lighter and closer to the ground, but almost all of the Festool sanders are smooth operating, so it's just a matter of which sander do you feel most confortable with. Which sander speaks to you...as my wife would say on the golf course...

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Re: Festool ETS EC150/5 6" Random Orbit Sander
« Reply #49 on: October 10, 2015, 03:28 AM »
I haven't used mine yet. I hope the 5mm throw isn't too aggressive.

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Re: Festool ETS EC150/5 6" Random Orbit Sander
« Reply #50 on: October 10, 2015, 09:32 AM »
I think the below video will really help your understanding.



Thanks for the great video.
Forgive me if this question is completely stupid as i'm fairly new to festool sanders.
Watching the video he uses to rotex to go from 40 grit to a highly polished finish, Why do you then need a ets ec 150 if the rotex can do a finish like that?
PS. i have the etc es 150 and love it!
James

Offline ear3

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Re: Festool ETS EC150/5 6" Random Orbit Sander
« Reply #51 on: October 10, 2015, 09:40 AM »
You don't.  But the Rotex is big -- and so if you work on a vertical plane or up high, or on something were the long tail of the Rotex makes maneuverability an issue, or on narrower pieces, the greater stability/reduced vibration/smaller footprint/lighter weight of the ETS(EC) sander is a plus.  Also, while the Rotex can theoretically climb to the top of the grit charts, I've found the 3mm stroke ETS sander much better for getting a consistent, swirl free finish at this level.  But I've sanded up to 800 grit with the RO150 before, and have been pretty happy with the results. 

I think the below video will really help your understanding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZZyypf-Qqk

Thanks for the great video.
Forgive me if this question is completely stupid as i'm fairly new to festool sanders.
Watching the video he uses to rotex to go from 40 grit to a highly polished finish, Why do you then need a ets ec 150 if the rotex can do a finish like that?
PS. i have the etc es 150 and love it!
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Re: Festool ETS EC150/5 6" Random Orbit Sander
« Reply #52 on: October 10, 2015, 02:03 PM »
Owning 7 Festool sanders but no 150 sized entry, now THAT'S weird.  [big grin]

I'm trying to kick the habit, I once had 11, but it's now down to 7.
. What sanders did you sell off?

Well, let me first say I trade a bit in used Festools, I look to buy cheap tools, refurbish them, and sell them again. It is a nice way for me to get to know all Festools, because I know if I don't like them I can sell them off again with a bit of profit. A couple of years ago I had the habit of buying every Festool I could get my hands on, keep the ones I like and sell the ones I don't like or just don't need. Since then I've calmed down a bit.
 
So over the last 8 years I had almost every Festool sander except the two belt sanders, the RAS 180 and the RS 100 C.

The ones I like I keep and see them as "my" tools instead of just inventory, and at one point I had these 11 as my own sanders: RO150FEQ, ETS150/3, RAS115, DTS400, DS400, RTS400, ETS125, LS130, DX93E, RS100, RS300.

But then I found out I hardly used some of them, so I sold these: RS100, RS300, LS130, RTS400 and DTS400.

Later added the RO90. I planned to sell the DX93 because after buying the RO90 I hardly used it, but now I'm thinking of letting the RO90 go because I find the 90mm paper too expensive. The ETS150/3 is also on the nomination to go because I don't use it a lot.

With the DS400 I can exchange the DS pad for the RS pad, so I have two sanders in one with that. But I've found a new appreciation for the RTS shape again and used it often this summer, so I'm looking to add an RTS again. 

And as soon as I get a chance I'll get me a ETS EC sander to try it out.

Offline T. Ernsberger

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Re: Festool ETS EC150/5 6" Random Orbit Sander
« Reply #53 on: December 22, 2015, 06:29 PM »
I was looking at purchasing a ets ec150.  I'm having a hard time deciding between the 5mm and the 3mm.  I currently own a ro150e and ro90.  I have read several post that say that the 3mm complements these two sanders well.  I also read a post that 5mm works best for wood.  I just watched Peter Parffits video on the 3mm and was doing some sanding with 80 grit and he said it was pretty powerful.  As far as sanding,  I sand a little bit of everything.  Just don't have a good finish sander.  Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Festool ETS EC150/5 6" Random Orbit Sander
« Reply #54 on: December 22, 2015, 06:32 PM »
The RO 150 has a 5mm orbit in random mode, so that's why people suggest the ETS 150/3 as a good companion sander with its 3mm orbit. Otherwise if you went ETS 150/5, with the RO in random orbit mode you'd essentially have two 5mm orbit sanders with different ergonomics.

Offline T. Ernsberger

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Re: Festool ETS EC150/5 6" Random Orbit Sander
« Reply #55 on: December 22, 2015, 06:48 PM »
The RO 150 has a 5mm orbit in random mode, so that's why people suggest the ETS 150/3 as a good companion sander with its 3mm orbit. Otherwise if you went ETS 150/5, with the RO in random orbit mode you'd essentially have two 5mm orbit sanders with different ergonomics.

I definitely like the ergonomics of the ets ec 150.  What sanding tasks would you use a 3mm over a 5mm?

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Re: Festool ETS EC150/5 6" Random Orbit Sander
« Reply #56 on: December 22, 2015, 07:00 PM »
The smaller the orbit the less aggressive and a finer "scratch" pattern from the orbit. So all things being equal, the 3mm will produce a finer finish than the 5mm.

Offline T. Ernsberger

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Re: Festool ETS EC150/5 6" Random Orbit Sander
« Reply #57 on: December 22, 2015, 09:43 PM »
The smaller the orbit the less aggressive and a finer "scratch" pattern from the orbit. So all things being equal, the 3mm will produce a finer finish than the 5mm.

Is it that noticeable if you work up through the grits?  Some people say you can't see the difference with finer grits,  is that true?

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Re: Festool ETS EC150/5 6" Random Orbit Sander
« Reply #58 on: December 22, 2015, 10:50 PM »
I do get some swirl marks with 5mm that I don't with 3mm or 2mm orbit sanders. 

I have the Rotex 150 and use it primarily in Rotex mode.  I own a 150/3 and an RTS400 and bought the new EC 150/5.  I use and enjoy them all in a variety of tasks from drywall to cabinetry in owner-occupied remodels or my shop.  I bought the 150/5 as a lighter option for overhead work and quicker one-handed operation.  It does a good job with that, however, for drywall I thought the 5mm stroke was too aggressive and turned the machine to 1/2 speed.  So there are times sanding drywall, between coats of paint, or on veneers where I prefer a smaller stroke and less aggressive performance to get my result and these tend to be using higher grits.  I also would use a scraped finish or the 150/3 for unforgiving stuff like an ebony stained maple cabinet top.   

I value the different stroke sanders.  It all depends on what you're doing.