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Offline Intex

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Festool Kapex KS-60
« on: June 18, 2018, 01:04 PM »
I decided on a Festool KS-60, as the KS-120 is too large and heavy for my home garage workspace.
I contacted a co that had them advertised, but they contacted me stating that they could not ship Festool to USA.
Anyone used any of the sellers on Ebay? I should have picked one up when I was in Netherlands!
Anyone have experience with what size transformer needed to use a 220V model here?
This is just Festool trying to maximize profits by only selling the KS120 here, what other reason?

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Offline RDMuller

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Re: Festool Kapex KS-60
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2018, 02:29 PM »
I strongly suspect Festool did their homework on this and found out it would not sell well enough to justify the costs of getting the retooling done for the North American market.  They would have to take it through Underwriter Labs certification etc

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Festool Kapex KS-60
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2018, 04:31 PM »
The US voltage runs at 60 Hertz while European is 50 Hertz. I don’t know if this would affect an imported KS60, but I would suspect Festool would not honor the warranty.
Birdhunter

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: Festool Kapex KS-60
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2018, 09:20 PM »
Is where you will use it also a spot with easy access to your electric panel?  You could always wire up a 220V outlet.  I don't know if Festool sells any cords to NEMA 220V plugs like a NEMA 6-15 or NEMA 6-20.  NEMA 14-30, 14-50, 14-60 could work too, though probably would want to swap out to a lower amp breaker.

Between Washer/Dryers,  Welders and now EV car chargers wiring a garage with NEMA 14-50 plugs all around is a good plan, and would aid in the using of 220V tools assuming their are plug-it cords for those outlets or a NEMA to (insert favorite European Plug here) adapters.

Offline Intex

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Re: Festool Kapex KS-60
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2018, 09:27 PM »
Great idea !!!. I'll see what I can do, but I think Im maxed out on a new 200 Amp circuit.

Offline Intex

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Re: Festool Kapex KS-60
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2018, 11:17 AM »
Anyone know where I can purchase a 220V model other than Ebay?
Most dealers in EU will not see for export

Offline Intex

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Re: Festool Kapex KS-60
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2018, 02:50 PM »
Festool shows a 110/120 model KS-60 Kapex on their website, Does anyone know what country uses 110/120 that they sell a KS-60 to?
Africa? South America ?
I looked at South American dealers, and they do not show the KS-60

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: Festool Kapex KS-60
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2018, 09:34 PM »
Mains Power

Plenty of 110V countries, probably not so many that Festool operates in.

The UK has 110V tools for construction sites.

Offline Svar

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Re: Festool Kapex KS-60
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2018, 05:37 PM »
Could you plug a 240V model directly into the US 240V outlet (range, dryer, etc.) through a simple plug adapter? It's not exactly the same as UK 240V. Here goes you warranty [big grin], but in theory? Any experts out there? @Rick Christopherson
« Last Edit: June 20, 2018, 05:40 PM by Svar »

Offline Peter Halle

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Re: Festool Kapex KS-60
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2018, 05:54 PM »
I decided on a Festool KS-60, as the KS-120 is too large and heavy for my home garage workspace.
I contacted a co that had them advertised, but they contacted me stating that they could not ship Festool to USA.
Anyone used any of the sellers on Ebay? I should have picked one up when I was in Netherlands!
Anyone have experience with what size transformer needed to use a 220V model here?
This is just Festool trying to maximize profits by only selling the KS120 here, what other reason?

I can't speak for Festool but would offer that perhaps their decision to not offer this product in North America was based on demand versus cost to bring it to market.   A similar decision making process might also have used to decide not to bring the full sized Kapex with stripped down features here as well.

Peter

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: Festool Kapex KS-60
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2018, 10:01 PM »
Could you plug a 240V model directly into the US 240V outlet (range, dryer, etc.) through a simple plug adapter? It's not exactly the same as UK 240V. Here goes you warranty [big grin], but in theory? Any experts out there? @Rick Christopherson

So no one should bank everything on any statement on the matter by anyone posting here outside an official confirmation from Festool which obviously won't happen, it would be highly unlikely the tool would notice or care about the difference.  If the saws were a straight synchronous motor, their would be a speed difference, but that very well would be the case if Festool offered the tool.

The main reason 220 semi portable tools aren't much of a thing in the US is NEC code prohibits branch circuits for anything other than 110V.   So while the US is both 220V and 110V,  the 220V only gets used for dedicated circuits, which makes it largely impractical to make things 220V unless they are larger fixed equipment that you would have a dedicated circuit for.   NEMA 14-50s are becoming a great universal plug since they do both 110 and 220 in the same plug, do up to 50Amps and achieve current bonding rules.  So now they are more common and used for welders, ovens, dryers, EV car chargers, etc.  There is nothing about the power coming out of them that is the issue, it's just the issue that most folks won't want to have say a saw that only has one practical plug to use it with.   14-50s are obviously a bit big for a saw.

There are lower amp plugs like a NEMA 6-15 and 6-20, this are 220V plugs, and you can buy Adapters to get to BS1363 and other Europe based Plugs.   Go to a big box store, though you probably would have to buy online a NEMA 6-15 And you can have a complete connection that is not home made and has at least a CE certification.   I would do this over a step up transformer setup, though really there is nothing fancy about a setup transformer that makes it a bad solution.  The transformer solution at least means you can plug into the outlets you have.

What would be interesting if Festool tested the waters with something like the Kapex or CMS and offered it in it's 220V form in the US and sold a NEMA 6-15 , 6-20 plug-it cord.  See what happens.  Of course what would most likely happen is a lot of sales of the cords, not as much sales of the tools.  None of that path is likely to ever happen.

In the end, finding a UK 110V tool is probably your best option.

Offline Intex

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Re: Festool Kapex KS-60
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2018, 12:05 PM »
Well I finally went and ordered the 220V KS-60. I needed a new miter saw for a project and would rather stay with Festool.
I will be putting in a 220V dedicated line from our panel to a 220V outlet in the garage (2 feet away), much like a dryer connection.

Everyone I contacted in the UK would not ship me a 110V unit, and could not find one elsewhere. My Festool dealer here told me that last week a Festool rep asked him to see how much interest there would be in a smaller Kapex. (Too little too late). I feel that their decision is driven solely by marketing, has nothing to do with UL or anything else. What I do not agree with is their tactic to limit sales to the US of items they do not want to bring in. This just leads to resentment and anger against the brand. Reminds me of all the Greymarket M/Benz models that were brought in to the US, that were not available here, until they folded and brought them in finally.

Ill let you know how it works out when I get it.

Offline Intex

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Re: Festool Kapex KS-60
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2018, 12:06 PM »
Now my problem is going to be getting a UG cart for this here.

Offline rst

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Re: Festool Kapex KS-60
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2018, 01:26 PM »
My understanding is that the UG cart is the same, you'll need the accessory base that makes it fit.  Whoever you bought the saw from should also have this.  How about messaging me the dealer you bought from.  I've bought various pieces direct from Germany but not anything this large.

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: Festool Kapex KS-60
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2018, 10:36 AM »
I feel that their decision is driven solely by marketing, has nothing to do with UL or anything else. What I do not agree with is their tactic to limit sales to the US of items they do not want to bring in. This just leads to resentment and anger against the brand. Reminds me of all the Greymarket M/Benz models that were brought in to the US, that were not available here, until they folded and brought them in finally.


Bringing in any new product has cost/effort with it.  If something never comes there is understanding to a degree of it not being someplace.  The hard to follow is when something is here and they stop, the initial cost of getting it in the market are done.

The Kapex isn't really an inter-connected part like the tracksaws/rails/mft/routers/cms with inserts part of the system where it makes the most sense to have all the bits. But for free standing tools that don't have a co-dependancy/co-functionality with the others it's easier to understand those tools not being in N.A.

Careful on bringing up the cars, we don't want tools companies to get a 25 year import ban put in place like cars have.  [scared]