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Offline Tinker

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Re: Festool parent acquires Saw Stop
« Reply #30 on: June 29, 2017, 06:39 AM »
It would make a RAS safer and it sounds like a good application of the tech.

The dangers of a RAS are probably what led to it's demise as much the
introduction of the SCMS did.

Still have mine and keep a dado stack mounted in it for making dados or
half laps where precision is not needed. Way faster than a router.

My first shop saw was a RAS.  I used it for everything.  Cross cutting, ripping, dadoing, half laps, miter cuts and even used a sanding disc.  That sanding disc blew dust everywhere. 

I even loaded oto the back of my truch and took it to on site projects.  I never had a kickback. 

When I got my first table saw, I realized the shortcomings for that and quickly bought my SCMS.  Sold my RAS.  I now wish I had it back.
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Offline leakyroof

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Re: Festool parent acquires Saw Stop
« Reply #31 on: June 29, 2017, 09:06 AM »
It would make a RAS safer and it sounds like a good application of the tech.

The dangers of a RAS are probably what led to it's demise as much the
introduction of the SCMS did.

Still have mine and keep a dado stack mounted in it for making dados or
half laps where precision is not needed. Way faster than a router.

My first shop saw was a RAS.  I used it for everything.  Cross cutting, ripping, dadoing, half laps, miter cuts and even used a sanding disc.  That sanding disc blew dust everywhere. 

I even loaded oto the back of my truch and took it to on site projects.  I never had a kickback. 

When I got my first table saw, I realized the shortcomings for that and quickly bought my SCMS.  Sold my RAS.  I now wish I had it back.
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   I still cringe at the thought of Ripping on an RAS, but like you said, you had no issues..... [cool]
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Offline ChuckM

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Re: Festool parent acquires Saw Stop
« Reply #32 on: June 29, 2017, 10:38 AM »
mini brake would be totally unnecessary.  I have been using my TS55 for coming up on ten years without even a sniff of a chance to get hurt.  If someone did, they were doing something outside of it's operational intent and it would be Darwinism at work.   :o

This is exactly what many tablesaw owners say about the SawStop: totally unnecessary. We all know saws, including circular saws, cause injuries. I would keep an open mind about TTS buying SawStop and expanding SS.

There are many ways they can expand (of course, no one knows what TTS had in mind when it decided to buy out SS, but I believe it was a well-thought out financial or strategic decision). They can expand the sales and market of SS alone. Or, they can also expand the SS technology to other tools under the Festool brand name. Or, they can expand the SS technology to other non-Festool brands.

Knowing that the SS patents will eventually expire (in 5 years? So far no one has the official answer to that question. TTS should know it now, of course), TTS must have something up in the sleeve before it wanted to put down the money. Could it be aiming at something else that SS owns and that something is not known publicly yet? SS R&D dept. has been around for a decade and it could surprise us with things we don't know.

Things should be clearer in 2018, and if I were to prioritize, I would like to have my Kapex equipped with the SS feature, then the bandsaw. Drill press? Nah. Since I don't use a jointer anymore, or it would be the third machine I wanted the SS technology. Tablesaw? Mine is already a SawStop.

Before we rule out anything, such as a SS cannot be done on (fill-in-the-name-of=the-tool, because it is too small, too big, too fast, too slow, too expensive, too cheap...) (who would have thought 20 years ago that a tablesaw blade could be stopped in time in a hobby shop?), we should take note of this quote “For an idea that does not first seem insane, there is no hope.”

This insane quote is by Albert Einstein, if you want to know.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2017, 10:50 AM by ChuckM »

Offline PeterK

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Re: Festool parent acquires Saw Stop
« Reply #33 on: June 29, 2017, 10:38 AM »
I wonder if the SS purchase will ever affect the Festool line? TTS I believe has a few different brand product lines and possibly the SS stuff will appear in one of them or maybe an entirely new line of non-portable tools.
Only the job site saw fits at all in the Festool lineup and even then Festool in Europe gives the option of using their TS saws in a table. Guess we will have to just wait to see what their plans are.

Offline mcooley

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Re: Festool parent acquires Saw Stop
« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2017, 10:48 AM »
I have been wondering if something like this might happen with the Shaper Origin CNC router?

They are already endorsed by Festool. Which unfortunately doesn't mean Shaper Origin will have the same warranty on parts and labor nor I assume a service department with the same turn around. If they purchased Shaper just so those machines could be professionally warranted and quickly repaired then that would go a long way to making that tool more desirable for those looking to use it professionally.

One interesting point about Festool acquiring Sawstop is how popular those units have become in college and university settings. They maybe waited to see those numbers grow before acquiring them. I imagine the numbers are quite strong now. Every college I taught at seemed to be buying them etc. And the range was from public to private schools.

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Festool parent acquires Saw Stop
« Reply #35 on: June 29, 2017, 10:59 AM »


One interesting point about Festool acquiring Sawstop is how popular those units have become in college and university settings. They maybe waited to see those numbers grow before acquiring them. I imagine the numbers are quite strong now. Every college I taught at seemed to be buying them etc. And the range was from public to private schools.

With a few exceptions because of budgeting timing, all high school districts and schools in my province with woodworking programs switched to SS long ago. Usually, there are two SS (Indust.) per school. If my observations are correct, most established woodworking schools in North America are also switching to or equipping themselves with SS for students to use. Many companies are also proactive in this area s part of their Occupational Safety push.

Offline Charles959

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Re: Festool parent acquires Saw Stop
« Reply #36 on: July 02, 2017, 11:52 AM »
JLC coverage:

TTS Tooltechnic Systems Buys SawStop, by Chris Ermides.

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Re: Festool parent acquires Saw Stop
« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2017, 08:40 AM »
JLC coverage:

TTS Tooltechnic Systems Buys SawStop, by Chris Ermides.

"...we are excited to join with TTS to bring safer woodworking to more people through new tools and in new markets around the world. With a family like TTS at our side, I can’t wait to see what we will accomplish together.”

Hmmm, that's an interesting statement.


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Re: Festool parent acquires Saw Stop
« Reply #38 on: March 21, 2018, 11:59 AM »
Hi,

Just a heads up for those attending HOLZ-HANDWERK in Nürnberg, Germany ( https://www.holz-handwerk.de/en ) : Festool brought SawStop along - I just spotted an introduction and demonstration on Festool's official Instagram (Stories).

To all attendees: HAVE FUN! :)

Kind regards,
Oliver
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Re: Festool parent acquires Saw Stop
« Reply #39 on: March 21, 2018, 12:12 PM »
 When I first moved to the UK about 4 years ago I was invited to Festool /TTS to review some table saws and give a eval along with a few other people and some festool Engineers. They had a CS 70 there along with a Saw Stop saw and a few other manufacturers.

I guess they were looking for feed back. Im sure we werent the only ones they did this with.

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Re: Festool parent acquires Saw Stop
« Reply #40 on: March 21, 2018, 12:17 PM »
When I was at Woodcraft the other day, I saw that SawStop is now making a standalone router table.  Looked to be nicely built, though no better than a Jessem table -- and of course, it doesn't have a mechanism to stop the router bit if it detects flesh. I thought it was kind of an odd offering, though I heard they are also making one to add to connect to their existing table saws.

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Re: Festool parent acquires Saw Stop
« Reply #41 on: March 21, 2018, 12:17 PM »
When I first moved to the UK about 4 years ago I was invited to Festool /TTS to review some table saws and give a eval along with a few other people and some festool Engineers. They had a CS 70 there along with a Saw Stop saw and a few other manufacturers.

I guess they were looking for feed back. Im sure we werent the only ones they did this with.

Festool actually also had a focus group discussion about table saws at a JLCLive event around that timeframe.  Hopefully now that TTS owns Sawstop we will see a Festool tablesaw in the future.

Peter

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Re: Festool parent acquires Saw Stop
« Reply #42 on: March 21, 2018, 12:43 PM »
mini brake would be totally unnecessary.  I have been using my TS55 for coming up on ten years without even a sniff of a chance to get hurt.  If someone did, they were doing something outside of it's operational intent and it would be Darwinism at work.   :o

The other day I saw a guy freehand cutting with it, making grooves in a left-over piece of pole hanging from a patio overhang. He was standing on a ladder. I stood watching for a couple of seconds trying to decide if he was trying to cut it off or prepping for a giant insurance claim. His colleague started watching me, puzzled and half annoyed at what I was doing. I decided the potential bloodbath was more than I could stomach and left.

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Re: Festool parent acquires Saw Stop
« Reply #43 on: March 21, 2018, 02:22 PM »
When I was at Woodcraft the other day, I saw that SawStop is now making a standalone router table.  Looked to be nicely built, though no better than a Jessem table -- and of course, it doesn't have a mechanism to stop the router bit if it detects flesh. I thought it was kind of an odd offering, though I heard they are also making one to add to connect to their existing table saws.
All of their new accessories are just rebranded/repainted from other manufacturers. Its pretty sad actually. I expected more from them.
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Re: Festool parent acquires Saw Stop
« Reply #44 on: March 21, 2018, 04:41 PM »
Festool actually also had a focus group discussion about table saws at a JLCLive event around that timeframe.  Hopefully now that TTS owns Sawstop we will see a Festool tablesaw in the future.

Peter

And I would hope that Bosch will soon be able to sell the REAXX table saw in NA now that Steve Gass is (hopefully) out of the picture. 
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