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Offline Lemwise

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2017, 04:41 PM »
I've used the Festool ATF 55 and the TS 55 EQ for nearly 20 years. It's the standard track saw on all shipyards here in the Netherlands. However, I prefer the Makita from the first moment I used it (which was yesterday). I have 3 of them now and it's the only track saw I will now use in my company. It's cheaper, has more power and the scoring feature really makes a difference when cutting plywood covered with HPL or Corian. The little tab that prevents the saw from tipping over on bevel cuts is also a very nice touch.
« Last Edit: August 06, 2017, 05:11 PM by Lemwise »

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Offline mrB

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #31 on: August 06, 2017, 06:12 PM »
I've used the Festool ATF 55 and the TS 55 EQ for nearly 20 years. It's the standard track saw on all shipyards here in the Netherlands. However, I prefer the Makita from the first moment I used it (which was yesterday). I have 3 of them now and it's the only track saw I will now use in my company. It's cheaper, has more power and the scoring feature really makes a difference when cutting plywood covered with HPL or Corian. The little tab that prevents the saw from tipping over on bevel cuts is also a very nice touch.

Keep an eye on the two adjustment knobs that keep the saw perfectly aligned with the rails. I've found they loosen off every single day on both my Makita track saws.
Also the 'anti-tip' tab has some play in it, so I wouldn't rely on that alone. . you still need to keep downward pressure on the saw's base plate when bevelling.
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Offline Lemwise

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #32 on: August 06, 2017, 06:38 PM »
Keep an eye on the two adjustment knobs that keep the saw perfectly aligned with the rails. I've found they loosen off every single day on both my Makita track saws.

It's funny you mention that because I noticed this when I tried out the saw yesterday. I came up with a very quick and easy solution. There's a bit of room under the knobs so I put a rubber o-ring under the them (it's actually more like a rubber washer). I took an o-ring slightly thicker than the space under the knobs with them set how I wanted them, stretched it over the knobs and then pushed it under the knobs with a flat head screw driver. This provides enough grip so that the knobs stay in place. However, it remains to be seen if the o-rings will stay in place. If they don't, I'm sure I can come up with another solution.

« Last Edit: August 06, 2017, 08:17 PM by Lemwise »

Offline Lemwise

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2017, 12:51 PM »
The rubber washer underneath the knobs seemed like a good idea but they don't really stay in place. We've been busy with sheet goods nearly all day long and we've had the re-adjust the knobs several times on all three saws. This is no good so I've returned all three saws and tomorrow I will take delivery of three TS 55's. This is really the only negative about the saw but it makes them a pain to use.

Offline demographic

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #34 on: August 07, 2017, 02:06 PM »
Few people make a deal about the scoring "feature".
Err, isn't that just the same as setting the blade to 1 or 2mm depth on the TS 55?

Why does anyone need another knob to do that? Its not rocket surgery.

Other than that, I've worked with a bloke who has the Makita, seemed good enough to me.
The anti tip thing is a good idea though.

Offline Svar

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #35 on: August 07, 2017, 02:50 PM »
Few people make a deal about the scoring "feature".
Err, isn't that just the same as setting the blade to 1 or 2mm depth on the TS 55?
Why does anyone need another knob to do that? Its not rocket surgery.
You'd appreciate it if you had to cut a lot of melamine and such. Imagine switching back and forth form 1 to 20 mm depth after every cut on your TS55. Now do it 100 times in a row and you'll see the benefit of scoring feature.

Offline RobBob

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #36 on: August 07, 2017, 03:36 PM »
Has anyone called Makita about the adjustment knobs?  They may have a fix for that problem by now.
« Last Edit: August 07, 2017, 07:39 PM by RobBob »

Offline Lemwise

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #37 on: August 07, 2017, 04:03 PM »
The problem is the way the adjuster works. The Makita has a compressible washer on the underside. You turn the knob and it squeezes out the washer so that it pushes against the rail. The washer is made from rubber so when you use the track the washer rubs against it and this causes it to turn back the knob. The got the design for this all wrong and there's no way to solve it.

Offline Dovetail65

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #38 on: August 07, 2017, 04:11 PM »
My Makita is about 4 years old I think and I have not had any problems at all with those. I might have to adjust them once every couple months. This must be a saw to saw issue, possibly a batch issue.

My knobs ARE VERY TIGHT, they don't move easily at all. I have to apply force to spin them and no way they can move by themselves. Do you guys have knobs that are easy to spin?

My plastic is blue, is yours?
« Last Edit: August 07, 2017, 04:15 PM by Dovetail65 »
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Offline Lemwise

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #39 on: August 07, 2017, 04:53 PM »
I had the problem with all 3 saws. It might be a batch issue but I don't have the time to find out if it is.

Offline mrB

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #40 on: August 08, 2017, 07:13 AM »
^^^ I've had the same issue on both my Makita saws. One purchased 4-5 years ago, the other 1-2 years ago. It's a silly but BIG issue with the saw.

I use the Makita for the rougher end of my work load so I don't really care, but I couldn't use the Makita for the finer furniture end of things. . . forget to check the adjustment halfway through the day and suddenly you've fu'ed up an important cut!!??   No thanks.

@ dovetail65 - My knobs are very tight to turn as well. Doesn't seem to mean anything.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2017, 07:17 AM by mrB »
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Offline Redart

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #41 on: August 08, 2017, 02:30 PM »
I've had the same issue on mine too, since then I only use the Mafell MT 55 cc  for precision tasks, since i don't have a table saw  I am thinking to put the Makita upside down.
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Offline kevinculle

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #42 on: August 08, 2017, 02:49 PM »
I've had the Makita for about 4 years, used it a good bit and never touched or needed to the alignment cams...and never had a problem with sections of track (I've use 4 - 55" together) misaligning.

Offline mrB

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #43 on: August 08, 2017, 06:18 PM »
I've had the Makita for about 4 years, used it a good bit and never touched or needed to the alignment cams...and never had a problem with sections of track (I've use 4 - 55" together) misaligning.

Interesting to hear that there's at least a few on the thread who haven't had the issue. I think someone earlier (maybe dovetail65) was asking about the colour of the adjustment knobs in question? Mine are black just like the photos from Lemwise of the saw he returned with the same issue. Do these knobs come in another colour? Is that the differentiation between functional and rubbish adjustment knobs??

It needs to be addressed by Makita. Between this thread and my own experiences of ownership, I can say this has been a consistent issue with these saws (it seems not every single saw) for over 4 years and continues to be an issue. It is the only reason I would not recommend the Makita to someone as a good alternative to the Festool.
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Offline Oldwood

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #44 on: August 08, 2017, 08:38 PM »
I wonder if some sort of lube on the track or adjusting cam where it rides against the track would minimize the drag on the cam and prevent it from turning out of alignment?
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Offline Redart

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #45 on: August 09, 2017, 05:30 PM »
I've had the Makita for about 4 years, used it a good bit and never touched or needed to the alignment cams...and never had a problem with sections of track (I've use 4 - 55" together) misaligning.
I was very happy with the Makita saw until I made some 45° cuts, I hade to reposition the splinter gard strip it was no longer alined with the saw in 90° position.
Festool: CTL midi.
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Offline Dovetail65

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #46 on: August 09, 2017, 07:14 PM »
I've had the Makita for about 4 years, used it a good bit and never touched or needed to the alignment cams...and never had a problem with sections of track (I've use 4 - 55" together) misaligning.

Interesting to hear that there's at least a few on the thread who haven't had the issue. I think someone earlier (maybe dovetail65) was asking about the colour of the adjustment knobs in question? Mine are black just like the photos from Lemwise of the saw he returned with the same issue. Do these knobs come in another colour? Is that the differentiation between functional and rubbish adjustment knobs??

It needs to be addressed by Makita. Between this thread and my own experiences of ownership, I can say this has been a consistent issue with these saws (it seems not every single saw) for over 4 years and continues to be an issue. It is the only reason I would not recommend the Makita to someone as a good alternative to the Festool.

I wasn't talking about the knob color, but the plastic color that is on the underside and runs up on the track. Mine is blue.

I was just speculating maybe it was the type of plastic(if its been changed). I never had an issue or even thought about it nor read about it until this thread. Its just not an issue I ever knew existed and doesn't exist for me in my shop.

Possibly I don't use the saw in a way where it noticeable, for me a track is a track saw. I don't do crossover things I would use my table saw for.

I actually owned the TS 55, TS 75 and the Makita for a good year and sold off the Festool track saws right here on the forum so obviously I found the Makita to be better or I would have kept the Festool. For each his own, but for me the lack of power of the TS 55 is far more important that an adjustment I dont even have an issue with and appears some that do came over pretty quick. But nothing is going to get that TS 55 more power. It's a 10 amp saw and in my opinion  overpriced for that and what it does. If a new version of the TS 55 gains more power I would buy one in a heartbeat becasue the Festool "feel" better in my hands. But as far as cutting a straight line on the line I put the track on the Makita does that while cutting through thicker, harder materials faster and smoother than the TS 55.
« Last Edit: August 10, 2017, 12:11 AM by Dovetail65 »
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