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Offline Kwolsen

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Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« on: July 03, 2016, 10:49 AM »
Certain this comparison has been beaten to death many times before...
But why not one more time?
I'm new to woodworking and here's my deal.
1. Have limited workspace, so can't use/store a table saw.
2. Have various projects in mind from kids student desks to some simple cabinetry.

So, I don't want to cut on my garage floor on a sheet of foam with a track and track saw as I've seen others do. I want to be on a table, using the MFT/3 table makes sense.

In terms of track saws, I like the lower priced Makita sp6000J1 compare to the ts55 req, but I'm concerned about mixing products from different manufacturers in terms of compatibility.
If I just get the mft3 bare WITHOUT the angle unit(protractor head) and use the equivalent Mikita miter gauge device with the Mikita sp6000j1
Then there is dust collection, will the festool vac hoses fit with the makita?

is this downright nuts to mix products from diff manufacturers?

Bombs away, guys.

Thanks.

« Last Edit: July 03, 2016, 11:00 AM by Kwolsen »

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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2016, 11:12 AM »
The lowest cost way to get the portable precision cutting ability that Festool introduced is to buy the Makita set and make your own MFT-like cutting station.

Buy a replacement top for a MFT, some QWAS dogs and or Parf dogs, and build your own table.

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2016, 11:13 AM »
I have never used the Makita track saw so I can't offer a definitive answer on the vac hose fitting although I believe it does or else an inexpensive adaptor could make it happen.

Regarding a full MFT/3 or a bare MFT and the Makita miter attachment:  But the MFT/3.  That other accessories looks like the Festool one that has numerous non-likers.  There will be no positive angle settings.  Besides that I always advise on the full setup unless there is another full setup in the house.  The price differential when you factor in another rail is not that great.

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Offline Brent Taylor

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2016, 11:40 AM »
I have the Makita TS and I use it with Festool's products with no problems.  It is a great saw and for me and my way of working it is perfect. I have had it since it was made available in the US market,  it's a nice saw and built in the UK.  If it lasts as long as my other Makita tools I be dead before the saw. The only Festool product that I have found not to work with the Makita is the parallel guide system,  every other parts can be easily modified to work with the Makita's tracks if you are thinking of using them,  but the saw is interchangeable.  B

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2016, 12:40 PM »
Ive had both saws, the REQ does integrate slightly better with the PlugIt, but you can convert your other tools to PlugIts with a kit from Festool (might still have a few kicking around).

The Makita has a noticeably stronger motor, and the anti-tip feature which you'll appreciate if you bevel a lot. They have the scoring function too, though I don't use it that much, I seem to get a good finish without it (I never fussed with the Festool splinter guard either though).

Offline blaszcsj

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2016, 04:01 PM »
I have had both. I'd give a very slight edge in power to the makita and I give a fit and feel to the ts55. The makita works on the MFT fine. The one thing that the festool wins hands down is the cam adjusters for fitting on the rail. The makita ones are finicky compared to the crisp adjustability to the ts55.
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Offline Rip Van Winkle

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2016, 09:05 AM »
I have the Makita TS and I use it with Festool's products with no problems.  It is a great saw and for me and my way of working it is perfect. I have had it since it was made available in the US market,  it's a nice saw and built in the UK.  If it lasts as long as my other Makita tools I be dead before the saw. The only Festool product that I have found not to work with the Makita is the parallel guide system,  every other parts can be easily modified to work with the Makita's tracks if you are thinking of using them,  but the saw is interchangeable.  B

My I ask what makes the Makita saw not work with the parallel guide system? Is the problem the makita saw itself, or is the problem the makita guide rail in which case the problem could be avoided by using a festool guide rail?

Offline JimD

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2016, 09:16 AM »
I believe it has to be the track because that is what the parallel guide attaches to.  I use a DeWalt and had to make my own but I don't use it much.  It, like the Festool, cannot be used with clamps.  If I was to get one for a Makita or Festool, I would look at the one by Precision Dogs or other similar ones that lay on top of the workpiece.  I use my track setting jigs.  Much cheaper and easy to make and do not interfere with clamping. 

I use a Paulk style workbench with my DeWalt.  It is not the same but has similar funtionality.  He has a total workstation with the Kapex that could be good for limited space.  It also integrates a small table saw.  I think you will want one.  The other alternative that seems very interesting to me is the fold-up alternative with wheels.  It would be more similar to the MFT but move around and store easily. 

Offline mrB

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2016, 10:58 AM »
I have had both. I'd give a very slight edge in power to the makita and I give a fit and feel to the ts55. The makita works on the MFT fine. The one thing that the festool wins hands down is the cam adjusters for fitting on the rail. The makita ones are finicky compared to the crisp adjustability to the ts55.

Very true. The makita cam adjustments for proper fit in the track constantly loosen and are fiddly to get right. The festool just works and stays. This in my opinion sums up the differences between the saws. The festool is just a little more refined in every way.

I've had 2 makitas (used as my rough work saws) and also have the festool. I'd you want to save cash the makita will do fine. I've not noticed any power difference between the two. I don't use the scoring feature of the makita and non tip feature for bevel cuts is not that useful as there is still some play so all it really does is so the saw tipping over when you let go of it still on the track.

The lack of splinter guard attachment on the makita bothers me more for when you want a totally clean cut on both sides of the line.

If you get an mft i would get the set. The makita saw will work fine on it.
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Offline BigfootBuilder

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2016, 11:41 AM »
I had the makita for about a month but had shortly thereafter bought the CT26 and an ETS sander. I'm into some cabinetry and bookshelves right now and had a small space in the client's garage to set up shop, so I built a version of a Paulk bench, and my own boom arm design for the vac out of 1/2" pipe and fittings. I ultimately decided to take the Makita back and get the TS55 because of the system integration with power cords etc. I have a vacuum hose and power cord rigged to the boom arm and being able to quickly change tools from saw to sander is a priority to my particular sanity, so, festool won.

The makita is a VERY good saw! It has a couple more amps in the motor which does make an appreciable difference. Rips through 3/4" with greater ease and less bogging down than the festool, and makes just as clean if not - and I'm serious - higher quality cuts.

Agree about the cam adjustments, but you don't have to mess with those often anyway. The one thing I'd say is that the festool's adjustment piece is a long strip rather than makita's small round(ish) cam, and makes laying the 55" rail (which should be 60" anyway for ripping across 4'!!!) across a full sheet more accurate at the start and finish of cut. Hope that makes sense, it's a small advantage of the festool, but no kind of deal breaker.

Makita's rail works very well with the TS55 as well, I bought makita's 118" rail for $220 because to me a track saw is only 40% useful without the ability to make long rips.

I also bought Dewalt's rail clamps which work perfectly with both makita and festool rails. 2 for less than the price of one festool clamp, and they work great!

I still don't understand the hype about the mft tables. To me they're way too small for the stuff that I personally do, I can see it if you're building jewelry boxes and other smaller stuff, but if you're going to be doing desks and cabs I'd say build a Paulk bench, buy or make your own clamps and dogs, and have the ability to throw a full sheet on the nice flat full sized table to work it down into pieces, build a cross cut jig if you think you'll need one, and have more capabilities/space than an mft...
« Last Edit: July 07, 2016, 01:24 PM by BigfootBuilder »

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2016, 11:47 AM »
"I still don't understand the hype about the mft tables. To me they're way too small for the stuff that I personally do,"

The MFT tables are portable. They were designed to be taken to the work site where they can provide the level of precision that previously could only be found in a fully outfitted shop.

Offline Sazerac819

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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2017, 11:13 AM »
I think the Makita saw plays wells with the MFT-3 setup.  You can even drop the makita guide rail on the crosscut/rip system of the MFT-3 with very little issue.  The makita guide rail even accepts the hose deflector attachement to help with hose management.

As for whether the makita tracksaw can be attached to the festool CT dust extractors.  It does not work with the festool 27mm AS hose, but the festool 36mm AS hose works well and is probably a better option for dust collection on the tracksaws. 

The scoring feature works really well and gives a very nice, clean cut. 

The feskita setup with the makita rail in place.  I do also have the festool 1080 rail that comes with the MFT-3, but I have the makita rail loaded just for demonstration.  The makita rail is nice since it has that little groove which the makita can tab lock into so your bevel cuts are a bit more stable.  I did purchase one of the delrin slop stops and that works very well to prevent any movement of the festool and makita guide rail when cutting. 



The festool hose deflector attachment on the makita rail



A nice rip cut in Cherry, a little scorch burn at the end as I lingered a bit too long with the blade as I finished the cut.   



About a 2" thick piece of sycamore cut by the Makita.  Not the densest/hardest wood but delivered a nice clean cut without any bogging of the motor, I did make a score cut and then cut about halfway through and then finished the cut on the second pass (not including the score cut).  I tend to like to do this with thicker cuts. 

« Last Edit: April 14, 2017, 12:54 PM by Sazerac819 »

Offline cabinetman803

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2017, 09:06 PM »
Does the Makita saw have a roving knife?  I think that's the only difference I noticed. Do any of you Makita owners have any problems with the saw binding up or jumping because of the lack of the r. knife?
When my TS55 plays out, I've been seriously considering the Makita.
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Offline Dovetail65

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2017, 09:44 PM »
I have had the TS55, TS 75 and the Makita. I kept the Makita. I never had it bind yet. The  Makita has more power than the TS 55.

So unless you need the power if the TS 75 go for the Makita for sure. The Makita is by far the best Track saw of its size I have tried to date.

It works great with all the Festool tracks.

The best part is I bought the saw by itself for 262.61 from Amazon Warehouse on January 15, 2015 because it was a return. It came with the case and two blades and it appeared never used to me. It has performed flawlessly since. So keep a look out at Amazon Warehouse. The Makita's are only 351.11 for saw alone(with case and blade) to begin with new, but if they show up on Amazon Warehouse it's a fantastic deal. And the case I received and I believe they still send is a Makita Tanos case.

The cost today on Amazon is 351.11 for the case and saw, 405.00 with the case, guide rail and saw and 413.90 with guide rail, case and connector kit.

There are some marked as used on Amazon Warehouse today, but back ordered. They are normally returns and like  I said mine appeared new. The cost is only 351.00 for a case, saw AND track(basically you get a track free) and 302.00 for case and saw.

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« Last Edit: April 14, 2017, 09:59 PM by Dovetail65 »
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Offline Sazerac819

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2017, 09:17 AM »
I agree Dovetail, I think you get a lot of saw for your money with the Makita. 

As far as it not having a riving knife, I think as long as your work is well supported on both sides of the cut for thick material, you should be good to go.  If I am going through very thick wood, I generally take a scoring cut (using the built in scoring depth stop) and then finish the cut in two passes after that.  In terms of cutting through plywood of 1/2-3/4" thickness, I doubt you will run into any issues as long as support on both sides of the cut is good if you are breaking down large panels.  On top of that, the Makita rails have a small groove which the makita track saw tab runs in if desired to further decrease the chance of a dangerous kickback situation as it would be very difficult to pull the makita saw off of the track with the tab engaged in the groove.

A solid saw with very good power for cuts up to its depth capability.   

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2017, 09:44 AM »
.. I'm concerned about mixing products from different manufacturers in terms of compatibility.
...

If I just get the mft3 bare WITHOUT the angle unit(protractor head) and use the equivalent Mikita miter gauge device with the Mikita sp6000j1
Then there is dust collection, will the festool vac hoses fit with the makita?

is this downright nuts to mix products from diff manufacturers?

Bombs away, guys.

Thanks.

I Have an MFT with a Bosch rail attached, and the FT hose fits the other manufactures saw. It also fits a different manufactures sander and yet another's router.

Or The Bosch vacuum (if it is available in the US) is well regarded.

Basically most modern tools have decent compatibly. Rails less so.
But vacuum hoses all seem to be standardised.

The main downside to mix-n-match is you have to do more homework.
And the upside is less expence and/or tools that may better suit your needs.

Offline acer66

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2017, 08:22 PM »
Oh boy, after years and years of wanting to buy the ts 55 and finally being ready to get it, its not the first choice anymore.
 [crying]

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2017, 06:45 AM »
If you had read this forum and the multitude of posts in almost every case the guys that own or owned both the Makita and Festool TS 55 they favor the Makita. I know I prefer the Makita and have written multiple posts stating that. I owned the DeWalt, the TS 55 and 75 and the Makita. The Makita is more powerful than the TS 55 and at a price FAR cheaper.

My Makita just fell off a second story and it cracked. I am going out to buy a new Makita ASAP.

My Makita is fitted with a Festool plug it cord and I use it on Festool tracks everyday. I have done so for I think 7 years now.

SO have no worry, just get that little Makita, use it the Festool stuff, I assure you it's a perfect comnbination.
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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2017, 08:31 AM »
I also read other fora, and most people there, and people that I talk to that have used both, prefer the festool over the makita. (Mind that it these cases it's about the 220V version).


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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2017, 08:50 AM »
I can't comment on anything other than what's available here in the US and what I have purchased with my own money. I also can't comment on other forums posts, I don't read them, this is the forum I use. The Makita is more powerful than the TS 55 in my shop. I just don't see how anyone can argue the point and until they come over to my shop and show me I am wrong,, well I am just not wrong. I tested them side by side for months. Owned the TS 55, the TS 75 and the Makita.  I sold my TS 55 and 75 on this forum for a reason, I could of kept them all if I wanted too. The TS 75 was by far the best saw, it's just to big an heavy for my weak hands. And the  Makita beat out the TS 55 as far as power, my main concern. I will say it's time they update the Makita.

I purchase tools for work and I can purchase any tool I like, cost isn't an issue. And until that TS 55 gets a more powerful motor I can't use it. I would love to have the TS 55 as overall it's more of a finesse tool with better features than the Makita, but for me I need the most power in a lightweight package.

I don't see how the 240V version could be any better unless of course it has a more powerful motor, meaning it draws more current proportionally than the 110 version. Of course the 220V will draw less current, but generally the tools I have used that offer both 120V and 240 V versions offer exactly the same amount of power. Possibly the TS 55 120V verse 220V is the exception, I dont know. I haven't used the 240V version.

Maybe Ill buy the 240V and give it a try. I have a couple 240V Festool's in my shop.
« Last Edit: July 25, 2017, 09:48 AM by Dovetail65 »
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Offline PFrench

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2017, 11:52 AM »
My experience with festool is better than Makita, not because the saw is much better, but because I have experienced much better service from Festool. Two examples, I had a rotex 125 go wrong after 2.5 years of hard labour, a had a warranty replacement in 2 days. I had 4 tools and an mft3 stolen and these were replaced under the included theft insurance. Up and running again very quickly. 

Offline kevinculle

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2017, 12:07 PM »
I've owned the Makita for about 4 years and it has never missed a beat or failed to deliver quality results.  When I redid my deck in ipe a couple years ago I borrowed my buddy's two 55" tracks and together with my two tracks I ran 14' long crosscut trims of 3/4" ipe and it cut like butter.  I've not used the Festool tracksaw and it may be more refined but it's hard to imagine that there is added value to it that justifies the cost difference.

Offline MaineShop

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2017, 09:33 AM »
I have both the makita and the festool, I also have the mft/3. I use a tracksaw daily in my shop. Both the tracksaws are excellent. I tend to reach for the festool a bit more with the tracksaws just because mostly I use it for breaking down sheet goods and I find the plunging action to be a little smoother for me and it tends to live right next to my sheet goods. The makita is very smooth though and it does seem to have a little more power for ripping hardwood which is not something I do often. And as far as tracks the makita can use the festool track and the hose fits, my makita also came in a makita blue systainer. I use the mft/3 prob once a week although I should have bought the regular mft because I almost never use the track and attachments. I find the table too small for most of the pieces I work with, I need a more rugged table for most of the sheet pieces I work with. I also have a full sized cabinet saw though.

Both good tools, if you want to save a buck get the makita. I would recommend against the mft/3 and just get the mft. Take the money you save and pick up a small contractor table saw for ripping small pieces, will be faster then setting up the mft for small rips.

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2017, 05:14 PM »
I can't comment on anything other than what's available here in the US and what I have purchased with my own money. I also can't comment on other forums posts, I don't read them, this is the forum I use. The Makita is more powerful than the TS 55 in my shop. I just don't see how anyone can argue the point and until they come over to my shop and show me I am wrong,, well I am just not wrong. I tested them side by side for months. Owned the TS 55, the TS 75 and the Makita.  I sold my TS 55 and 75 on this forum for a reason, I could of kept them all if I wanted too. The TS 75 was by far the best saw, it's just to big an heavy for my weak hands. And the  Makita beat out the TS 55 as far as power, my main concern. I will say it's time they update the Makita.

I purchase tools for work and I can purchase any tool I like, cost isn't an issue. And until that TS 55 gets a more powerful motor I can't use it. I would love to have the TS 55 as overall it's more of a finesse tool with better features than the Makita, but for me I need the most power in a lightweight package.

I don't see how the 240V version could be any better unless of course it has a more powerful motor, meaning it draws more current proportionally than the 110 version. Of course the 220V will draw less current, but generally the tools I have used that offer both 120V and 240 V versions offer exactly the same amount of power. Possibly the TS 55 120V verse 220V is the exception, I dont know. I haven't used the 240V version.

Maybe Ill buy the 240V and give it a try. I have a couple 240V Festool's in my shop.

What are you using the saw for that the TS55 is not powerful enough?

Thank you

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2017, 12:11 PM »
A note on the power issue. . .

I have always maintained that my TS55 is just as powerful as my Makita. But I'm in the UK and I recently read somewhere that due to Festool's universal motors, the TS55 loses a little power over in the US due to the power differences over there. .

I have no concrete information regarding this, but it does make sense given the amount of posts I read suggesting the Makita has noticeably more power, when I have never noticed this in 4+ years of using both saws frequently. .
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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2017, 01:34 PM »
All you need to do is read the specifications, the Festool is a 10 amp motor,. the Makita draws 12 amps.

You can prove the Makta is stronger by cutting something that the TS simply bogs down on. Then pull out the Makita and watch it blast though.

When I gang cut 2 or 3 - 3/4" panels the The TS 55 doesn't cut it nearly as well or as fast as the Makita.

The TS 55 actually has one of the smallest motors in the category and I suspect Festool does this becasue they don't want overlap with the TS 75. Festool is making a mistake becasue the TS 75 is to big so instead for going to the TS 75 many are forced to go to another brand. If Festool made the TS 55 with a 13 amp motor(making it the most powerful in its category) I am betting they would increase sales. IMHO, it's not going to steal from the TS 75. The TS 75 is just too big in physical for many people.
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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #26 on: July 31, 2017, 12:39 AM »
I commented months ago on this and if I could go back in time I'd go back to the Makita. The Festool is underpowered, plain and simple. It bogs where it honestly shouldn't. It does OK in 3/4" sheet goods, but anything beyond that and it's fighting for its life.

I had a situation recently where a track saw was such a perfect tool for the scenario: Ripping the pitch of the roof into a ridge beam. Doug fir, so not like it's hardwood or anything. Had a 16' rip to do on both sides, and even going painfully slow it died into its low power limp mode 8 times over the course of those two cuts. Each time, get the vacuum, suck through the slotted housing to cool the motor down, repeat.

Considering ditching the TS55 for either the Makita again, a TS75, or f-it, the Mafell.

The Makita's extra power is a big plus - nay, necessity - for a saw in this size category. I wish Festool would update these things, and acknowledge this shortcoming, because it feels like they're just resting on their laurels...  :-\

Offline Bohdan

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2017, 02:21 AM »
@BigfootBuilder

Were you using the correct blade (panther) for ripping or the standard one?

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2017, 02:37 AM »
@BigfootBuilder

Were you using the correct blade (panther) for ripping or the standard one?

Exactly what I ws going to ask. I used the panther blade 2 weeks ago and ripped about 7m of 28mm accacia and was quite surprised at how easily it went through it, probably was easier to cut through that than it is 18mm mdf with the 48t blade. Granted the panther blade was brand new, but still suprised me how easy it was to rip.

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2017, 11:59 AM »
@BigfootBuilder

Were you using the correct blade (panther) for ripping or the standard one?

Exactly what I ws going to ask. I used the panther blade 2 weeks ago and ripped about 7m of 28mm accacia and was quite surprised at how easily it went through it, probably was easier to cut through that than it is 18mm mdf with the 48t blade. Granted the panther blade was brand new, but still suprised me how easy it was to rip.

Using the 28T universal blade. I didn't realize there was an even less toothy blade for ripping. Thanks for asking.

Not to threadjack, but Festool Panther vs Tenryu 12T?

Offline Lemwise

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2017, 04:41 PM »
I've used the Festool ATF 55 and the TS 55 EQ for nearly 20 years. It's the standard track saw on all shipyards here in the Netherlands. However, I prefer the Makita from the first moment I used it (which was yesterday). I have 3 of them now and it's the only track saw I will now use in my company. It's cheaper, has more power and the scoring feature really makes a difference when cutting plywood covered with HPL or Corian. The little tab that prevents the saw from tipping over on bevel cuts is also a very nice touch.
« Last Edit: August 06, 2017, 05:11 PM by Lemwise »

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Offline mrB

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #31 on: August 06, 2017, 06:12 PM »
I've used the Festool ATF 55 and the TS 55 EQ for nearly 20 years. It's the standard track saw on all shipyards here in the Netherlands. However, I prefer the Makita from the first moment I used it (which was yesterday). I have 3 of them now and it's the only track saw I will now use in my company. It's cheaper, has more power and the scoring feature really makes a difference when cutting plywood covered with HPL or Corian. The little tab that prevents the saw from tipping over on bevel cuts is also a very nice touch.

Keep an eye on the two adjustment knobs that keep the saw perfectly aligned with the rails. I've found they loosen off every single day on both my Makita track saws.
Also the 'anti-tip' tab has some play in it, so I wouldn't rely on that alone. . you still need to keep downward pressure on the saw's base plate when bevelling.
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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #32 on: August 06, 2017, 06:38 PM »
Keep an eye on the two adjustment knobs that keep the saw perfectly aligned with the rails. I've found they loosen off every single day on both my Makita track saws.

It's funny you mention that because I noticed this when I tried out the saw yesterday. I came up with a very quick and easy solution. There's a bit of room under the knobs so I put a rubber o-ring under the them (it's actually more like a rubber washer). I took an o-ring slightly thicker than the space under the knobs with them set how I wanted them, stretched it over the knobs and then pushed it under the knobs with a flat head screw driver. This provides enough grip so that the knobs stay in place. However, it remains to be seen if the o-rings will stay in place. If they don't, I'm sure I can come up with another solution.

« Last Edit: August 06, 2017, 08:17 PM by Lemwise »

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2017, 12:51 PM »
The rubber washer underneath the knobs seemed like a good idea but they don't really stay in place. We've been busy with sheet goods nearly all day long and we've had the re-adjust the knobs several times on all three saws. This is no good so I've returned all three saws and tomorrow I will take delivery of three TS 55's. This is really the only negative about the saw but it makes them a pain to use.

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #34 on: August 07, 2017, 02:06 PM »
Few people make a deal about the scoring "feature".
Err, isn't that just the same as setting the blade to 1 or 2mm depth on the TS 55?

Why does anyone need another knob to do that? Its not rocket surgery.

Other than that, I've worked with a bloke who has the Makita, seemed good enough to me.
The anti tip thing is a good idea though.

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #35 on: August 07, 2017, 02:50 PM »
Few people make a deal about the scoring "feature".
Err, isn't that just the same as setting the blade to 1 or 2mm depth on the TS 55?
Why does anyone need another knob to do that? Its not rocket surgery.
You'd appreciate it if you had to cut a lot of melamine and such. Imagine switching back and forth form 1 to 20 mm depth after every cut on your TS55. Now do it 100 times in a row and you'll see the benefit of scoring feature.

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #36 on: August 07, 2017, 03:36 PM »
Has anyone called Makita about the adjustment knobs?  They may have a fix for that problem by now.
« Last Edit: August 07, 2017, 07:39 PM by RobBob »

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #37 on: August 07, 2017, 04:03 PM »
The problem is the way the adjuster works. The Makita has a compressible washer on the underside. You turn the knob and it squeezes out the washer so that it pushes against the rail. The washer is made from rubber so when you use the track the washer rubs against it and this causes it to turn back the knob. The got the design for this all wrong and there's no way to solve it.

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #38 on: August 07, 2017, 04:11 PM »
My Makita is about 4 years old I think and I have not had any problems at all with those. I might have to adjust them once every couple months. This must be a saw to saw issue, possibly a batch issue.

My knobs ARE VERY TIGHT, they don't move easily at all. I have to apply force to spin them and no way they can move by themselves. Do you guys have knobs that are easy to spin?

My plastic is blue, is yours?
« Last Edit: August 07, 2017, 04:15 PM by Dovetail65 »
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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #39 on: August 07, 2017, 04:53 PM »
I had the problem with all 3 saws. It might be a batch issue but I don't have the time to find out if it is.

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #40 on: August 08, 2017, 07:13 AM »
^^^ I've had the same issue on both my Makita saws. One purchased 4-5 years ago, the other 1-2 years ago. It's a silly but BIG issue with the saw.

I use the Makita for the rougher end of my work load so I don't really care, but I couldn't use the Makita for the finer furniture end of things. . . forget to check the adjustment halfway through the day and suddenly you've fu'ed up an important cut!!??   No thanks.

@ dovetail65 - My knobs are very tight to turn as well. Doesn't seem to mean anything.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2017, 07:17 AM by mrB »
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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #41 on: August 08, 2017, 02:30 PM »
I've had the same issue on mine too, since then I only use the Mafell MT 55 cc  for precision tasks, since i don't have a table saw  I am thinking to put the Makita upside down.
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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #42 on: August 08, 2017, 02:49 PM »
I've had the Makita for about 4 years, used it a good bit and never touched or needed to the alignment cams...and never had a problem with sections of track (I've use 4 - 55" together) misaligning.

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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #43 on: August 08, 2017, 06:18 PM »
I've had the Makita for about 4 years, used it a good bit and never touched or needed to the alignment cams...and never had a problem with sections of track (I've use 4 - 55" together) misaligning.

Interesting to hear that there's at least a few on the thread who haven't had the issue. I think someone earlier (maybe dovetail65) was asking about the colour of the adjustment knobs in question? Mine are black just like the photos from Lemwise of the saw he returned with the same issue. Do these knobs come in another colour? Is that the differentiation between functional and rubbish adjustment knobs??

It needs to be addressed by Makita. Between this thread and my own experiences of ownership, I can say this has been a consistent issue with these saws (it seems not every single saw) for over 4 years and continues to be an issue. It is the only reason I would not recommend the Makita to someone as a good alternative to the Festool.
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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #44 on: August 08, 2017, 08:38 PM »
I wonder if some sort of lube on the track or adjusting cam where it rides against the track would minimize the drag on the cam and prevent it from turning out of alignment?
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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #45 on: August 09, 2017, 05:30 PM »
I've had the Makita for about 4 years, used it a good bit and never touched or needed to the alignment cams...and never had a problem with sections of track (I've use 4 - 55" together) misaligning.
I was very happy with the Makita saw until I made some 45° cuts, I hade to reposition the splinter gard strip it was no longer alined with the saw in 90° position.
Festool: CTL midi.
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Re: Festool 55req vs makita sp6000j1
« Reply #46 on: August 09, 2017, 07:14 PM »
I've had the Makita for about 4 years, used it a good bit and never touched or needed to the alignment cams...and never had a problem with sections of track (I've use 4 - 55" together) misaligning.

Interesting to hear that there's at least a few on the thread who haven't had the issue. I think someone earlier (maybe dovetail65) was asking about the colour of the adjustment knobs in question? Mine are black just like the photos from Lemwise of the saw he returned with the same issue. Do these knobs come in another colour? Is that the differentiation between functional and rubbish adjustment knobs??

It needs to be addressed by Makita. Between this thread and my own experiences of ownership, I can say this has been a consistent issue with these saws (it seems not every single saw) for over 4 years and continues to be an issue. It is the only reason I would not recommend the Makita to someone as a good alternative to the Festool.

I wasn't talking about the knob color, but the plastic color that is on the underside and runs up on the track. Mine is blue.

I was just speculating maybe it was the type of plastic(if its been changed). I never had an issue or even thought about it nor read about it until this thread. Its just not an issue I ever knew existed and doesn't exist for me in my shop.

Possibly I don't use the saw in a way where it noticeable, for me a track is a track saw. I don't do crossover things I would use my table saw for.

I actually owned the TS 55, TS 75 and the Makita for a good year and sold off the Festool track saws right here on the forum so obviously I found the Makita to be better or I would have kept the Festool. For each his own, but for me the lack of power of the TS 55 is far more important that an adjustment I dont even have an issue with and appears some that do came over pretty quick. But nothing is going to get that TS 55 more power. It's a 10 amp saw and in my opinion  overpriced for that and what it does. If a new version of the TS 55 gains more power I would buy one in a heartbeat becasue the Festool "feel" better in my hands. But as far as cutting a straight line on the line I put the track on the Makita does that while cutting through thicker, harder materials faster and smoother than the TS 55.
« Last Edit: August 10, 2017, 12:11 AM by Dovetail65 »
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