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Offline PA floor guy

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1400 router
« on: January 08, 2013, 05:48 PM »
I'm really considering buying this router, but I'm only making one purchase, with 2 needs. I either want the router or the MFT.  Heres my question.  Does the router come with any guides at all, like in the video, the guide that Peter uses in that video. I always get disappointed when I get my new tool in, and the guide that I need is an accessory.  I need to make fluted columns for my house.   Also, could anyone tell me exactly what comes with the MFT.  And maybe some tips on what you would buy and why. I have a router, not a festool.  And I really want the MFT.  I'm torn both ways.   Thanks.   Sam

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Re: 1400 router
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2013, 06:08 PM »
The 1400 does not come with any guides. You would need Edge Guide 492 623 or Guide Stop 492 601. The edge guide is just a parallel guide , the guide stop allows the router to be used on the guide rails.

The MFT comes with the hardware etc, and 1080 rail, angle unit / fence.


Round columns?

If you have a router and are torn , go with the MFT first?



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Re: 1400 router
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2013, 06:10 PM »
That's a really open question that is best answered based on your needs.

The MFT/3 comes w the table, rail, fence, miter gauge, and I believe one flip stop. Basically everything you'd need to be able to make your necessary cuts on the table.

As far as the 1400, the edge guide is an accessory or at least was when I purchased mine a few years ago.

I like the MFT for being able to make repeatable perpendicular cuts quickly. The 1400 is a great router. Some would argue it's not as awesome as the 2200, but it's about half the cost and weight, therefore it's a very versatile router.

There's a lot of routers on the market that if the MFT is more important to you, then go for the table first and keep your eyes peeled for a used 1400 (much easier to ship)!

Again, it's hard for anybody to tell you what you need!  Best of luck!

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Re: 1400 router
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2013, 06:29 PM »
A plunge router is just about the handiest tool to create flutes in columns. So if you already own a plunge router accepting 1/2" or 12mm shank bits, it should serve you.

Round columns will require more than one fixture or jig. You will need the function of a large lathe, so you can rotate the blank column on its center axis, and at the same time indexing it so that the flutes are evenly spaced. Then you will need a fixture more than the length of the column to support the router. That support needs a central slot, which ideally is adjustable for width.

A guide bushing is attached to the router. The slot width is adjusted so that you make one side of the flute going in the normal direction, then index from the other side of the slot to make the cut on the other side moving in the opposite direction. This is a task best done without a guide rail, since the router needs to be supported on both sides anyway. A flute is another form of dado, which are best made in two passes, so the climb cut is never a final cut.

One MFT/3 will not support a column longer than about 3 feet, but even a single full-blown MFT/3 is darn useful. MFT/3 are ideal in a set of three, with only one fully loaded.

Many of us who have made fluted columns for decades often have dedicated metal stands taking the place of the tail and headstock of a lathe. But others make those so they attach to a sawhorse at either end, the legs adjusted so the top of the long fixture is a comfortable height for you.

You place a stop at either end of the slot at the desired length of the flute. Trust me, it save a lot of effort to let a plunge router rise at the end of a cut instead of lifting the whole router!

BTW, in my opinion, this is a task where the larger OF2200 is no advantage over the lighter OF1400.

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Re: 1400 router
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2013, 06:36 PM »
Sam, do you mean fluted posts/pilasters?
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Offline RL

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Re: 1400 router
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2013, 07:46 PM »
Kreg did a video on youtube about making flutes with an OF1400 and an edge guide. Check it out.


Offline PA floor guy

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Re: 1400 router
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2013, 08:00 PM »
Sorry guys,
  Yes I am making pilasters. I have a hitachi router, but after researching the 1400 and seeing the guide system, I want it bad.  Could someone tell me what guide system I would need, like a part number or something. Thanks again.    Sam

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Re: 1400 router
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2013, 08:22 PM »
Sorry guys,
  Yes I am making pilasters. I have a hitachi router, but after researching the 1400 and seeing the guide system, I want it bad.  Could someone tell me what guide system I would need, like a part number or something. Thanks again.    Sam

I think you'd want the edge guide, 492636.
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Re: 1400 router
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2013, 08:56 PM »
The guys have given you the parts, but there is another reason why you want the 1400.  The engineers decided to add little features like center line marks on all the sides for the center of the router bit shaft.  Using those along with some math you can establish the ends of your grooves and clamp stop blocks on your work or ease up to them by eye.  I did a post three plus years ago and Kreg might have covered it in his video, but it does make a difference.  I bought my 1400 more than three years ago for exactly what you are doing.  I didn't break out in a sweat worrying about an oops.

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Re: 1400 router
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2013, 05:55 PM »
Wow.  After watching that video, I'm convinced that I need the 1400 with the attachment. On a different note, what are the most common uses for the MFT table. I'm a floor refinisher, but do a lot of molding work for customers, and I own an old Victorian that I am restoring and keeping things period with grand moldings.  I just finished a 14 layer crown molding job in my bathroom. It looks insane. I wanna post a picture, but have no clue how.

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Re: 1400 router
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2013, 06:32 PM »
The primary uses for me on the MFT include:

 - accurate crosscutting of pieces using the guide rail and fence
 - project assembly - boxes, frames, projects - using the alignment holes for 90 degree squares and various clamps
 - general workbench work - routing, sanding, finishing
 - holding of just about anything for ripping, sanding, cutting, planing, staining, etc

I use the MFT EVERY day - it is the most used Festool in my workshop because of the versatility.

As to how to post a photo, save it on your computer and then click 'reply' to this message or 'start a new message'
 - type in your text.
 - in the window you will see an item saying 'additional options'
 - click on that and it will give you an option to 'Attach'
 - Click "choose file' and navigate to the photo you saved on your computer
 - Attach and then click 'Post' on the bottom of the page and your image should show up!

Good luck.  Share the photos of work and I'm sure others will chime in on ideas for using Festools and MFT's!

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Re: 1400 router
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2013, 11:49 PM »
Wow.  After watching that video, I'm convinced that I need the 1400 with the attachment. On a different note, what are the most common uses for the MFT table. I'm a floor refinisher, but do a lot of molding work for customers, and I own an old Victorian that I am restoring and keeping things period with grand moldings.  I just finished a 14 layer crown molding job in my bathroom. It looks insane. I wanna post a picture, but have no clue how.

As a flooring guy you might appreciate one of the MFT features. It is designed so that it can be used with the legs folded. It has built in rubber feet on the metal corner pieces. So you ucan use it on the floor with legs folded. Giving you about an 8" tall work bench.

Here is one of the 'how to'  on attaching images  http://festoolownersgroup.com/gallery-attaching-images/using-the-'insert-inline-image'-feature/   There are several others at the top on the Gallery and Attaching Images board.  Also it is helpful to downsize them a bit if they are really big, so that scrolling is not required to view the entire pic.

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Re: 1400 router
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2013, 01:23 AM »
i first bought just an MFT top (the small one for the older 800 unit) and Qwas dogs and Qwas rail dogs to try out the precision hole pattern system with the track saw. i screwed 6" vertical panels under it for support, to get it off the floor and give the dogs clearance. later i bought the MFT. its great, but i still use the little top and the dogs for misc stuff, or on site. this got me some MFT capability on the cheap. maybe you could get the router and then do something like this for an economical solution. for me it wasn't fully redundant spending to buy each one, as i still use both, and also always use the dogs with the MFT for 90 settings, etc. also the MFT top piece can be built in to a workbench. the precision hole system is extremely useful. the small top is 50 bucks or so and the dogs set 78. don't know what your needs are but maybe something like this could provide a temporary or long term solution.

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Re: 1400 router
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2013, 05:04 AM »
Sorry guys,
  Yes I am making pilasters. I have a hitachi router, but after researching the 1400 and seeing the guide system, I want it bad.  Could someone tell me what guide system I would need, like a part number or something. Thanks again.    Sam

I think you'd want the edge guide, 492636.

Is the OF1400 package differently in North America? In the UK the edge guide comes with the router, together with a 30mm copying ring and 3 collets. I itemise everything at the start of my video.

Peter

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Re: 1400 router
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2013, 06:24 AM »
Yes, Peter, it's different. We don't get the edge guide but it's also a heck of a lot cheaper too.

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Re: 1400 router
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2013, 07:23 AM »
Many thanks Richard.

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Re: 1400 router
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2013, 05:46 PM »
Honestly, I watched peters video, seen him unpack that beautiful systainer, and I melted.  Lol.  Yes that's where I got the idea from.  Thanks Peter....   Lol.      Sam

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Re: 1400 router
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2013, 03:18 AM »
Honestly, I watched peters video, seen him unpack that beautiful systainer, and I melted.  Lol.  Yes that's where I got the idea from.  Thanks Peter....   Lol.      Sam
Hi Sam

I am delighted that the video helped you make your decision. Everyone knows that I love my Festools but this router is near the top - it is superb. I am going to use it in more videos in the coming months.

Peter

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Re: 1400 router
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2013, 10:37 AM »
Honestly, I watched peters video, seen him unpack that beautiful systainer, and I melted.  Lol.  Yes that's where I got the idea from.  Thanks Peter....   Lol.      Sam
Hi Sam

I am delighted that the video helped you make your decision. Everyone knows that I love my Festools but this router is near the top - it is superb. I am going to use it in more videos in the coming months.

Peter

I also want to add that i enjoy your videos very much. Like you i research everything very much and use your videos and paul marcell's (halfinchshy) almost exclusively to help in my decision.   [big grin] looking forward to more videos with the of1400
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Re: 1400 router
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2013, 11:38 AM »
Honestly, I watched peters video, seen him unpack that beautiful systainer, and I melted.  Lol.  Yes that's where I got the idea from.  Thanks Peter....   Lol.      Sam
Hi Sam

I am delighted that the video helped you make your decision. Everyone knows that I love my Festools but this router is near the top - it is superb. I am going to use it in more videos in the coming months.

Peter

I also want to add that i enjoy your videos very much. Like you i research everything very much and use your videos and paul marcell's (halfinchshy) almost exclusively to help in my decision.   [big grin] looking forward to more videos with the of1400

Thank you very much for this - it has made my day and I am sure that Paul Marcel will appreciate it as well.

Let us know how you get on with the OF1400.

Peter

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Re: 1400 router
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2013, 11:33 AM »
I have the 1400  been so pleased with it my other routers sit on the shelf collecting saw dust...


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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2013, 02:22 PM »
I know what you mean Adubeau, I am donating my Dewalt 625 plus one other to a local initiative to help youngsters learn about woodwork. I am keeping my 37 year old Stanley as it was my very first router and will be worth something one day.

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