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« Reply #240 on: October 13, 2010, 08:00 PM »

AS PROMISED:


To all my friends here who are participating in the Fogtainer project, I want you to know that I have been quieter than normal and not have offered updates in the manner that I had planned due to some personal issues.  I don’t want to discuss my issues, I am ok,  and rest assured that the project is underway and that your interests have been protected.

Currently I have 2 pallets of systainers here at the printers.  The sheer success of the project and the vision of 6 pallets of systainers sitting in my living room at one time has caused me to make a decision and to ask for your help.  I want to ship these two pallets out early so that I can fine tune the logistics involved in dealing with 230 more at one time.

I am looking for understanding participants here in North America who have ordered and paid for their systainers to let me know if they can help me work out the logistics of dealing with 4 more pallets of these beautiful blue boxes.  I would love to work out the shipping costs, etc, and make sure that my living room is clear in time for the arrival of the remainder.  The hitch is that I made a blunder in an effort to save everyone money.  The Fogtainers here right now will have to be shipped without the two green latches.  In fact they will have to be shipped with only two latches.  I will have to ship to the volunteers the missing latches once I receive them.  They are with the shipment enroute from Germany.  

The volunteers will not incur any additional cost for the shipping of the latches later.  Any assistance from you guys will be appreciated more than you can imagine.

If you are interested, please send me an email at fogtainer@gmail.com.  This will be done on a first come first serve basis based on the quantities available by size.  This will be handled off forum as per the original conditions of the project and participation that everyone agreed to by participating.

Thank you for your help!

PS.  Just to let you know, right now the vendor who will be printing these is finishing off an order for the US Marines and also American Woodmark Cabinets.  They do quality work.

Peter
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« Reply #241 on: October 13, 2010, 08:05 PM »

Frank Pellow,

Thank you!

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« Reply #242 on: October 13, 2010, 08:34 PM »

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« Reply #243 on: October 13, 2010, 08:36 PM »

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« Reply #244 on: October 13, 2010, 08:42 PM »

WOW!

You guys are fabulous!  I have have had several offers of help.

I want to advise you that I almost instantly received a message of possible assistance with latches.  It could be that early participants in this might get theirs with green latches based on availability.

Peter

This is not one of my efforts to pump up enthusiasm.  This is more real than you know.
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« Reply #245 on: October 13, 2010, 09:15 PM »

I'm up for that.  Email sent.
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« Reply #246 on: October 13, 2010, 09:26 PM »

WOW!
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« Reply #247 on: October 13, 2010, 09:39 PM »

e-mail sent. Hope all is well, Peter.
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« Reply #248 on: October 13, 2010, 10:07 PM »

You've got mail Peter! (cliché I know)  Big Grin


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« Reply #249 on: October 14, 2010, 09:35 AM »

Mail sent.

Thanks for all your efforts.
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« Reply #250 on: October 14, 2010, 11:26 AM »

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« Reply #251 on: October 14, 2010, 12:39 PM »

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« Reply #252 on: October 14, 2010, 12:58 PM »

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« Reply #253 on: October 15, 2010, 03:40 AM »

First I would Ike to say thank you to all those who have volunteered and have sent emails.  Your support and understanding means so much to me as this project approaches the crunch time.

Spent part of the day today researching the Harmonized Tariff Schedule and doing paperwork for customs.  Fun reading if you are looking to cure your insomnia.  Who ever thought up all those categories anyway?  Why should the tariffs for a plastic tool box be 76% higher than those for plastic shipping containers and carrying cases (5.3% versus 3%)? Beating a dead horse   

The shipment from Germany is scheduled to arrive in Baltimore around the 3rd of November.  Pray for good weather.  Then of course we will have to wait for the shipment to clear customs, etc.

I would like to thank Sean Ackerman for looking up and confirming my guess as to the applicable Hts code, and I hope that you all will cherish your plastic "boxes, cases, crates, and similar items" and find creative ways to use them "for the conveyance or packing of goods".

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« Reply #254 on: October 15, 2010, 05:11 AM »

Surely, a systainer could be classed as a 'carrying case' (@3%) rather than a 'tool box' (@5.3%)?

You put stuff in them (not necessarily tools, BTW) and carry them from one place to another...
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« Reply #255 on: October 15, 2010, 07:08 AM »

Surely, a systainer could be classed as a 'carrying case' (@3%) rather than a 'tool box' (@5.3%)?

You put stuff in them (not necessarily tools, BTW) and carry them from one place to another...
That's definately true for me.  I expect that almost half of my systainers are used to carry stuff rather than tools.
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« Reply #256 on: October 15, 2010, 09:40 AM »

Surely, a systainer could be classed as a 'carrying case' (@3%) rather than a 'tool box' (@5.3%)?

You put stuff in them (not necessarily tools, BTW) and carry them from one place to another...



I expect that almost half of my systainers are used to carry stuff rather than tools.



Case in point:
http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/big-box-received-from-bob-m/msg116292/#msg116292
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« Reply #257 on: October 20, 2010, 10:08 PM »

Today was to be the day to print the first batch.  I know, no picts, it didn't happen.
 Look at part of the 2 pallets of stuff here.  Remember, this is about one third of the total.  You are not seeing them all in these picts.






Notice how the latch stands out against the blue.  Yes, I also brought my Festool safety glass case in to also serve as a color match reference.

How did they turn out you ask?  They didn't.  I refused the color match.  They are ordering new ink.

Two hours wasted.

Stay tuned.

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« Reply #258 on: October 20, 2010, 10:36 PM »

Couldn't help but  Big Grin at all those systainers lined up!
The blue/green looks awesome.
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« Reply #259 on: October 21, 2010, 06:28 AM »

hey, second picture, front row 3rd from the right, it`s one of mine. Big Grin
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« Reply #260 on: October 21, 2010, 07:59 AM »

hey, second picture, front row 3rd from the right, it`s one of mine. Big Grin

Good Guess!

I wish I had been there to see them taking them out of the huge pallet size box.  The pallet is about 3 1/2 feet tall.  The individual systainers are latched into stacks.  You need to lift that stack straight up.  A step ladder must have been involved - I didn't see a basketball player sized person there to help.  Big Grin  

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« Reply #261 on: October 21, 2010, 10:25 AM »

Peter-

The colors (latch and 'tainer) are very striking -- good choices. Looking forward even more now.

--Steve.
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« Reply #262 on: October 21, 2010, 11:13 PM »

you know it is a real festool type product when you want it now but can not have it even though you have seen pictures.

I am just joking....you are doing a great job.
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« Reply #263 on: October 22, 2010, 08:54 AM »

you know it is a real festool type product when you want it now but can not have it even though you have seen pictures.

 Bite your tongue

Hahahaa!   Too true (sometimes)!!
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« Reply #264 on: October 22, 2010, 12:34 PM »

I was just doing some designing in SketchUp, and realised that I never uploaded the FOGsys models to the warehouse!

I have altered the models to more accurately reflect the actual design that will ship, and uploaded them. You can now download them HERE for use in your own sysport designs!!!

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« Reply #265 on: October 22, 2010, 12:45 PM »

Johnny,

I see that you have a bunch of sketchup models. any chance of you rolling them all up into a zip file of if it you already have to you have a link?
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« Reply #266 on: October 22, 2010, 12:50 PM »

Johnny,

I see that you have a bunch of sketchup models. any chance of you rolling them all up into a zip file of if it you already have to you have a link?

Harry,

No need for a zip file, they are all available from the warehouse. You can download them from there easily. Why would you need them in a compressed file?
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« Reply #267 on: October 25, 2010, 08:30 PM »

First batch is being printed on October 26th.  Yeah!  Drove down to inspect color match.  Yeah!  Can't be there to watch and photograph.  Boo!

Others are in the middle of the Atlantic in a really big box!

Thanks for your patience!

Peter
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« Reply #268 on: October 25, 2010, 10:15 PM »

First batch is being printed on October 26th.  Yeah!  Drove down to inspect color match.  Yeah!  Can't be there to watch and photograph.  Boo!

Others are in the middle of the Atlantic in a really big box!

Thanks for your patience!

Peter


Ooohhhh, that's right.  It's nearly November and the great Fogtainer migration of 2010.  Can't wait to get 'em!     Big Grin



Hey Peter, can you update the scrolling Fogtainer total count that was purchased by members?  276 is the current value.  I thought we crested 300.   Eek!
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« Reply #269 on: November 06, 2010, 05:31 PM »

I wanted to update all of you – especially those who so gratiously offered to receive their Fogtainers early sans the green latches.  You will not be receiving your latches early.

Earlier I had posted here about my receipt of the only remaining blue systainers in the US and what the game plan was.

The situation with this initial order has gone so far off that I feel you should see some correspondence.  This was cut and pasted from my email.  I have in the text made some alterations only to the point that the information had nothing to do with the situation at hand or could, because of the searchability of the internet, cloud this situation.  That information had to do with pricing or names.  Nothing of relevance has been eliminated.

If you see asterisks and notes, those were added by me for clarification.  I am currently investigating other printers within 800 miles of my location as well as all the other aspects – legal and otherwise.

P.S.  The shipment from Germany arrived in Baltimore on the 4th and is awaiting Customs inspection.
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Date:    October 29, 2010 9:44:37 AM EDT
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XXXX,

I have gone over this situation in my head ever since I left your facility yesterday afternoon and have had discussions with people on my end.

At the risk of being blunt, this situation in its entirety is unacceptable - not just with the small cases.

The project as discussed and priced by your firm was to print 4 different size abs plastic storage cases with the logo supplied at the same location referenced off the bottom of the case.  I paid the fee of $XXXX to have the necessary work performed to have a prototype produced.  I submitted that prototype to my people for approval and based on the quality of that work I received the go ahead for this project.  They were quite impressed with the quality of the work and only suggested that there be additional prints to fill in the voids in the logo caused by the texture of the products.  They placed an order with me for product to be shipped back to Europe to prove that they had a possible vendor to provide these services here in the US.  **** NOTE:  Several people from Festool ordered Fogtainers.  I have no idea what they intend to do with them. Tanos would love to have a tried and true vendor for these services in North America. *****

I supplied to your firm the anticipated numbers as well as the suggestion that additional prints be made to improve the quality of the finished product.  You provided pricing for the printing based on several different scenarios based on quantity and the request for additional prints, and then I provided to my "customers" images of the prototype and took orders.

Following delivery of the product to your facility and during a discussion to make sure that there weren't any misunderstandings, we went over two changes - one of which was suggested by your firm when I picked up and paid for the prototype.  The suggestion made by your firm was to lower the logo about 1/16" to 1/8" so that it was centered between the bottom of the case and the small embossed oval at the top of the area where it was to be printed.  The only other change was the color.

I made two trips to your facility to approve the color at your request.  You brought out one of the smallest sized cases and applied a plastic adhesive overlay of the logo to illustrate that you understood the placing requirements.

On Wednesday afternoon I received a phone call informing me that the printing had been completed but the logo had been moved to be centered on the larger cases due to difficulty in the printing process.  I agreed to come out on Thursday to inspect.  At no time prior to the completion of the printing in this whole process was I made aware of any issues.

Upon inspecting the product on Thursday I noted the following:
1.  The logos are not printed parallel to the top or the bottom of the cases.  
2.  The logos appear uncentered from left to right
3.  The logos are not printed in the agreed to locations in reference to the bottom of the cases as we agreed prior.

Frankly I was shocked.  Initially I was most concerned with the appearance on the smallest sized cases, but after thought and discussion this situation was, and is, totally opposite of what I anticipated from a firm with the type of clients that your firm has served over the past 100 years.  Your firm, thru its actions, has produced a product that in its current form I can not offer to my customers and puts me into an adverse financial situation.

Please advise as to the steps that your firm is going to take to rectify the current situation and either bring the product back to its original condition or reprint as was originally agreed to.

I await your written response.

Peter Halle

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Peter,
 
 Here is the original printed case. (NOT CROOKED) ****NOTE:  An image of the prototype was attached.  That is Fogtainer 1 that Brice owns now.****
 
The issue with the smaller units being slightly crooked is that the lip above the logo interferes with the pad. Apparently, she was actually
Fighting to keep the cases as "in-place" as possible. Which failed.
 
But this case looks fine, so im attributing that to human error.
 
I should have taken my time with these and printed a sample of each and every case since 1/16" inch tolerance left to right is critical.
 
I didn’t want to have to charge you for four pre-production samples, but I should have made them anyways.
 
These are the issues associated with doing too much at once and not focusing.
 
 
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I had two cases wiped down as best as possible. Im going to see what they look like when the plastic coating has settled so we can decide whether the logo should be reprinted or left alone.
 
(they might look too rough after being wiped down)
 
Please do not think that we're incapable, it was my fault for not separating all four cases and doing pre-pro's from the start.
 
 
I’ll let you know how the small cases look in the morning after being wiped.
If they are acceptable, I could have the smaller cases reprinted by Wednesday.
 
Thanks
 - XXXX
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I suspect that Monday will bring me the news that I dread.  Just more complications opportunities.

Hang in there guys.  I am working on this.

Please trust me on this one.

Peter
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