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« on: January 28, 2012, 10:07 AM »

My Porter Cable is on it's last legs seemingly and my Craftsman has a sanding pattern that isn't great for getting a find sanding done.

Thing is a month or so ago I stocked up on a bunch of the new Diablo 5" sanding disks in different grits (good, reasonably priced abrasives if anyone was looking, when using them with a CT on my PC, they don't load up like some inexpensive disks do) so I think I am looking for something in a 5" again.  The plus side is that the diablos have a universal hole pattern so they work with pretty much every hole pattern out there.  http://www.diablotools.com/sanding.html#SandingDiscs

Anyway, I'm basically looking for something to go from maybe 100 - 320 grit, doesn't have to be ultra aggressive but the sanding pattern has to be decent and lower vibration is a must. Speed adjustability would be nice and dust collection goes without saying. I'm thinking ETS 125 but might be persuaded to RO 125 but that's a huge jump in price and in physical size. I'm more used to the standard shape of the ETS. I suspect there's a bit of a learning curve to the RO because of the trigger and handle making it back heavy but I've never gotten to use one. I have thought about the RO 90dx as well but I'm not sure about the 3.5" pad size, I like the idea of having the delta pad though.

Any recommendations or opinions? Alternatives ?

I probably can't look at getting anything until after tax season (Here in NJ, you always have to pay. Should be the state motto Smiley ) so I have some time to think about it some...

Any ideas?
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« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2012, 10:33 AM »

From Festool you choices are obviously the ROTEX RO 125 and the ETS 125.

If you're targeting a finishing sander, the ETS 125 would be perfect with its fine 2mm orbit. It's light too, so you can go for hours ...

The ROTEX gives you more options with an aggressive mode, that's also good for polishing. More of a barrel unit in your hands to use.

I was personally considering the Mirka Ceros 125 - but the hassle of the DC transformer and the fiddliness of the vacuum connection are enough to put me off it.

Then you've got every other 5 inch sander on the planet.

(that's my view of the 5 inch sander market - admittedly a little biased from the good experiences I've had)

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« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2012, 11:29 AM »

My Porter Cable is on it's last legs seemingly and my Craftsman has a sanding pattern that isn't great for getting a find sanding done.


If you want fine sanding the ETS 125 is a great choice. It is a nice sander for such things. It does have its limitations though, so if you're used to standard 5'' sanders and expect the ETS 125 to be the same you'll be disappointed because it is designed for fine sanding and doesn't have the power of 5'' sanders that are designed for general sanding tasks. Within it's specifications, the ETS125 is a great sander and I'm very happy to own it myself.
 
The plus side is that the diablos have a universal hole pattern so they work with pretty much every hole pattern out there.  http://www.diablotools.com/sanding.html#SandingDiscs


That pattern won't fit Festool sanders, so it's not as universal as you think. Of course you could still use the paper, but you'd have no dust collection. Not very desirable if you ask me. This is how Festool's hole pattern looks like:


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« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2012, 12:33 PM »

I'd definitely consider the Mirka. The downside is that it's expensive, and the hose connection is a bit of a bother but for someone who is looking for a one handed light-weight unit the separate transformer is great because it makes the sander itself light and yet pretty powerful.

The ETS 125 isn't a bad choice - while it is not powerful, you can add something like the Bosch 1250DEVS to your stable if you need it.

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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2012, 05:12 PM »

I love my ETS 125, but it is a finish sander and nothing more. My local dealer told me he rarely gets festools returned but the ETS 125 is his most returned Festool, because people buy it and then think it is underpowered.

It's not underpowered- it's just not meant for aggressive sanding.
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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2012, 05:30 PM »

Since you'll have to get new sandpaper for a Festool sander anyway, I'd encourage looking at the ETS 150/3. While it's still a fine finish sander, it can be aggressive enough with the right sandpaper on it. It also handles like a dream, and the larger pad size makes sanding go that much faster. I couldn't imagine being without mine.

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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2012, 11:01 PM »

That pattern won't fit Festool sanders, so it's not as universal as you think. Of course you could still use the paper, but you'd have no dust collection.

Hmmm, I guess the old ES-125 Festool sander used to have a 8 hole standard pad available but the ETS only has the proprietary hole pad, that sort of screws up that idea a bit... Sad

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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2012, 06:35 AM »

The ETS 125 and RO 125 are probably the worst Festool sanders of their respective category, and combining both only duplicates their lackings.
If you want a finish sander then the DTS400 is a better choice IMO, way more versatile and a tad more aggressive. What is a finish sander good for when it can't reach corners?
The RO 125 (which i returned) was tiring to use, hard to control and yet felt underpowered, THe RO 150 is better, if only slightly, in every way.
The ETS 125 (which i kept, but haven't used since i got a DTS400) is a strange little sander, nice and light, yet it has no guts, the surface needs to be sanded really well with an intermediate sander before considering using the 125. Needless to say i never find it worthwhile to take it out of it's box just to give a microscopic difference in surface quality, and i sand with a ETS 150/5 all the way.

The ETS 150 is the king of Festool random orbital sanders, best combination of power, weight and ergonomics. Personally i prefer the /5 model because it can do anything. It's the basics to start with.
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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2012, 07:41 AM »

The ETS 125 and RO 125 are probably the worst Festool sanders of their respective category, and combining both only duplicates their lackings.
If you want a finish sander then the DTS400 is a better choice IMO, way more versatile and a tad more aggressive. What is a finish sander good for when it can't reach corners?
The RO 125 (which i returned) was tiring to use, hard to control and yet felt underpowered, THe RO 150 is better, if only slightly, in every way.
The ETS 125 (which i kept, but haven't used since i got a DTS400) is a strange little sander, nice and light, yet it has no guts, the surface needs to be sanded really well with an intermediate sander before considering using the 125. Needless to say i never find it worthwhile to take it out of it's box just to give a microscopic difference in surface quality, and i sand with a ETS 150/5 all the way.

The ETS 150 is the king of Festool random orbital sanders, best combination of power, weight and ergonomics. Personally i prefer the /5 model because it can do anything. It's the basics to start with.

I'm surprised you say this about the ETS125 - yes it's a finishing sander ONLY, but the OP is talking 100-320 grit range.

I don't own the ETS125 - I do own the ETS150/5, that's why I've been playing with the ETS125 ... I liked how light is is for a small finisher.

(all said - the legacy paper hole pattern issue makes things more complicated)

I have a RO 90 and RO 150 - love them both, surprised also on the comments on the RO 125 - I thought it'd be a good "in the middle job". I'd be interested on others thoughts on this.

The EST150/5 is a cracker ... I'm also at a crossroad now ... Seems overkill to get a ETS150/3 for me - but it simplifies paper grades and sizes  Smile

I've always used a delta sander for corners only - never been one for applying them to general use. Apart from my RO 90, my current delta is a RUPES and I don't love it. (I suppose the Fein multimaster can be a delta option too ... but no dust collection!)

Suppose I just feel like I'm doing the ironing when I'm using a delta - I hate ironing  Sad all said, I suppose you don't swap irons!

I was going to get a buch of triangular grades for te RO 90 - now I'm not so sure ... Hmmm.
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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2012, 09:06 AM »

I was going to get a buch of triangular grades for te RO 90 - now I'm not so sure ... Hmmm.


For my next Festool purchase, I've been looking at getting a sander to handle the corners, since I now have ones for everything else. In Paul Marcel's review of the RO 90, he points out that one of the nice things about its delta pad is that you can rotate the abrasive pads as you wear out the tip, making each piece last three times longer. That has me leaning towards the RO 90 as my next purchase—over, say, the DTS 400—pretty much for that reason.

Here's Paul's review of the RO 90:

Festool RO-90 DX Multi-Mode Sander Review


BTW, I'm pretty sure the MultiMaster has dust collection. At least some of the pads and abrasives have holes and there is a dust collection system. Hmm, maybe I should do some testing of this before I spend any more money.
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« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2012, 09:37 AM »

I was going to get a buch of triangular grades for te RO 90 - now I'm not so sure ... Hmmm.


For my next Festool purchase, I've been looking at getting a sander to handle the corners, since I now have ones for everything else. In Paul Marcel's review of the RO 90, he points out that one of the nice things about its delta pad is that you can rotate the abrasive pads as you wear out the tip, making each piece last three times longer. That has me leaning towards the RO 90 as my next purchase—over, say, the DTS 400—pretty much for that reason.

Here's Paul's review of the RO 90:

Festool RO-90 DX Multi-Mode Sander Review

BTW, I'm pretty sure the MultiMaster has dust collection. At least some of the pads and abrasives have holes and there is a dust collection system. Hmm, maybe I should do some testing of this before I spend any more money.


This is the video I watched the night before I went to the shop for the RO 90. I had played with it, liked it - but (once again) Paul Marcel pushed my "buy it" button.

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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2012, 06:32 AM »

I was personally considering the Mirka Ceros 125 - but the hassle of the DC transformer and the fiddliness of the vacuum connection are enough to put me off it.

Kev

Those two points bothered me too, but with a little creativity I worked out both those issues.  The sander isn't as vibration-free as the Festools but I like the size, and agility of the CEROS.
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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2012, 11:31 PM »

I recommend getting the 150/3.In spite of the fact that you have sandpaper for a 5" sander, the time you will save using the 150/3 will make you forget the extra you spend on new sandpaper.I tried the 125 sander and sent it back,I thought it was a a joke and I assure you you will spend triple the time sanding with it over the 6" 150/3.If you want high quality paper at a great price buy from Klingspors.You can get 50 disks in the 6" size for around $24. I liked the sander so much that I got the 150/5 to sand up to the 150 grit range and then finish out with the 150/3.I don't save a huge amount of time doing that but I hate sanding and every time saver helps.
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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2012, 02:23 AM »

OP,  if I may ask, where did you buy your cache of Diablo sandpaper?
I recently saw HD was carrying this,  and since they still have their wonderful "return policy" I am hoping you purchased at one of their big orange boxes, as they are pretty good about accepting returns.

and as this has also been pointed out,  you can "buy it and try it" with any FESTOOL...  no strings,  no guilt trip.  buy the Festool tool of your choice, and try it for 30 days.  if for any reason, you wish to send it back,  you'll have no problem doing so.

Now, it is late and I am tired, so please don't take any offense to this:
You're coming off of a worn out Porter Cable and a Craftsman.   Any Festool you pickup is going to seem almost surreal.  there aren't any close comparisons, besides the fact they're all called "Sanders" 

I don't know what your intended use is; or your intent, aside from your range of grits, so I wouldn't jump to anything conclusive.

I use an RO90, an RO125, an LS130 and a RAS115.
I'm a Professional user, and I depend on these tools for my livelihood.   while I'm working hard to add a couple more Festool sanders to my arsenal,  I can easily tackle any stair, millwork, furniture, cabinet as well as a myriad of other tasks I often encounter (from composites to metals to plastics and even automotive)  quite successfully.

If I had to pick only 1,  -the RO90 is clearly the most versatile

and while I hear you about the finishing sander needs, you're also talking about using 100g.   It sounds to me like you would most likely want the versatility of another ROTEX.  the 125 or the 150.      -I LOVE my RO125,  as I sand from 80g through 150g/220g  for most of my products,  and beyond that I am either taking the parts to the Finisher,  or I am setting up to finish.  sanding beyond 150-180 causes anomalies in the finish,  and once the wash coat goes on,  I'm just knocking the "Crunchies" off with a sponge... 

I suspect you are wanting to get rid of those tiny scratch circles caused by your PC and Craftsman sanders.
Using proper dust extraction and the right abrasive will solve that as soon as you're driving a Festool.

With Staircases,  EVERYTHING is under scrutiny.  -they're most often the focal point to begin with,  they're really expensive,  and everyone that passes through puts every part under the proverbial microscope.
I used to have a lot of problems with those 'sanding-pecker-tracks' that inferior sanders always leave.  that and the fact that I tried getting into corners with a Fein MultiMaster  (befitting they are now being sold at the big orange box, but I digress...)
this always caused damage, and I always had to go back and hand sand. 
That nonsense is now a thing of the past,  and while it seems like those quotes to the rhetoric of "Festool Sanders actually make sanding enjoyable"  are actually TRUE for anyone who has gone through years of not only hating sanding,  but LOATHING having to fix the damage caused by doing something they already despise...   insult to injury as it's called. 
but with these little gems,  it's an altogether different experience.
and it will put a smile on your face  Grin

You're in NJ, right?      go here: http://www.festoolusa.com/where-to-buy/dealer-locator.html  put in your zip code, and pick out some dealers in your area.  I  find 5 of them within a 15 mile radius of Newark,  so  -you got it good!   the closest (only) one to me is an hour away  Undecided
-go check 'em out.  take some samples of you work with you and try them out.
you'll know which is right for you.
and remember, if after a couple weeks you find you've regret,  you can return it (under the 30day buy and try deal-e-o)


OH,  and FYI, I have used "Diablo" abrasives on my RO125 when I ran out of 5" Rubin,  and while the extraction wasn't as good, I still had far better extraction than anything else I've ever used with a shop vac.

Do you own a dust extractor that can be used with a Festool sander?




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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2012, 08:37 AM »

OP,  if I may ask, where did you buy your cache of Diablo sandpaper?
I recently saw HD was carrying this,  and since they still have their wonderful "return policy" I am hoping you purchased at one of their big orange boxes, as they are pretty good about accepting returns.

Yeah, HD around the corner from me. Not a really big deal since they were cheap enough that I can always give them away to my brother in law or something. I'm just sort of cheap, errr Thrifty, (yeah that's a good word Smiley ) about some things. I bought a bunch of 5 packs of varying grits so maybe $30 - 35 worth but as a hobbiest/home owner, that'd probably last me quite a long time normally. I know in comparison the the cost of any Festool tool that's not a lot of cash though so in the big scheme I'm not too concerned about buying new paper...

I suspect you are wanting to get rid of those tiny scratch circles caused by your PC and Craftsman sanders.

Pretty much on the nose. I am building kitchen cabinets out of maple and am making a lot of doors right now. Stain finds and amplifies the tiny scratches like nothing else. I find 180 grit is about the right level to go to with the stain to get the shading I want so I probably don't need to go down to an ultra fine level for this project but other things that I have on my to do list like jewelry boxes and such, I may want to so I am trying to get something that can handle a decent range. 

The PC isn't a bad sander but the vibration and noise level had been getting worse on it over the last few months and one of the holes in the plate that holds the pad stripped out the other day. I can probably buy new bearings, new plate and change the belt but once I do all that, the issue could still be the motor and I'll have spent $40 in parts and shipping which was what the sander cost to begin with. And I like my Festool router so I'm willing to give the sanders a shot... Smiley

Using proper dust extraction and the right abrasive will solve that as soon as you're driving a Festool.
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Do you own a dust extractor that can be used with a Festool sander?

I have a CT Midi that actually works very well with the PC sander on a lower setting.

So far from all the comments I am sort of waffling between the RO 90 DX and the ETS-125. I'm a little concerned about 100 - 180 grit on the ETS-125 now which would be the range I need most for the kitchen cabinet doors which is probably going to be the main usage for the next few months. The RO 90 DX might work out OK on the doors and the delta pad would probably get some use in corners on the panels. I'm concerned that the ETS-150/3 might be too big to control well on the 2 1/2" rail and stile on the cabinet doors but I haven't used a 6" ROS before so I'm not sure...

I have some time though so any other options or recommendations would be appreciated.
Thanks
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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2012, 09:15 AM »


So far from all the comments I am sort of waffling between the RO 90 DX and the ETS-125. I'm a little concerned about 100 - 180 grit on the ETS-125 now which would be the range I need most for the kitchen cabinet doors which is probably going to be the main usage for the next few months. The RO 90 DX might work out OK on the doors and the delta pad would probably get some use in corners on the panels. I'm concerned that the ETS-150/3 might be too big to control well on the 2 1/2" rail and stile on the cabinet doors but I haven't used a 6" ROS before so I'm not sure...

I have some time though so any other options or recommendations would be appreciated.
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You won't find a bigger fan of the ETS 125 than me but I will be the first to tell you that it unsuitable for sanding below 150 grit.
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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2012, 08:32 PM »

You won't find a bigger fan of the ETS 125 than me but I will be the first to tell you that it unsuitable for sanding below 150 grit.

You're going to have to define "unsuitable".  I rarely use anything above 150 grit with my ETS125.  You'll fine 80 grit on mine most of the time.  I use it mostly for painting prep. 
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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2012, 08:40 PM »

"Unsuitable" as in there are better options. If it works for you- fine- but if I am sanding below 180 or 220 I use my Rotex. It gets me to the finish line quicker.

I only use my ETS 125 for the most delicate work, such as finish sanding, or veneer sanding.
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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2012, 11:42 PM »

BTW, I'm pretty sure the MultiMaster has dust collection. At least some of the pads and abrasives have holes and there is a dust collection system. Hmm, maybe I should do some testing of this before I spend any more money.

Okay. I did some playing around uh, experimenting. The MultiMaster does have a dust collection system available. Here it is fully assembled:



Here's the business end. The felt pad rides against the back of the sanding pad to seal things.



Here are the disassembled pieces. As I was resizing the picture, I realized that the business end and the tube are upside down relative to each other. The visible side of the tube goes against the MM, with the clip at the very bottom holding on at the back. My kit came with two different sized hose connectors. The smaller one (shown) fits quite nicely into the 27mm hose. The larger one doesn't fit any of the Festool hoses.



The dust collection seems to be about as effective as the RO 125.

I need to do more experimenting, but my first impression of the sanding quality is that it doesn't do as nice a job as the RO 125. I'll need to do a more detailed side by side comparison to be sure.
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« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2012, 12:33 AM »

I need to do more experimenting, but my first impression of the sanding quality is that it doesn't do as nice a job as the RO 125. I'll need to do a more detailed side by side comparison to be sure.

After more playing around, uh, experimenting, I have some results. These two pictures are side by side comparisons of the results obtained with the MultiMaster vs. RO 125 in random orbit mode. In both pictures the MM results are at the top end of the board, with the RO 125 at the bottom. The MM used the stock abrasives it came with. On the RO 125 I used Granat with the hard pad. The first picture is using 80 for both. The second is 120. I didn't bother with pictures for the 180 because I figured the camera might not be able to pick up enough detail; but the results were similar.




That settles it for me. I'm buying a RO 90 to add to my stable. For sanding, the MM is being relegated to "only when I'm desperate."
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« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2012, 05:20 PM »

For versatility, you know the Rotex is going to be the best choice,   but for the task at hand,  I think you'd find the RS2 would produce fantastic results.

Take advantage of the fact there are so many dealers around where you live,  and go take some "test drives" on some of your actual work piece samples / drops.

I would work through 150g max,  no finer.   Maples have a tendency to blotch, as well as other anomalies exacerbated by sanding too fine.

try this,  sand one sample through 120,  another to 150g, another to 220g  and finally to 320g on the 4th   use large enough sample pieces to get an accurate portrayal,  and ensure the samples are consistent with one another.
then proceed with the finish you'll use.  you'll see what I'm talking about....

what are you finishing your cabs with anyway?
 
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« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2012, 06:45 PM »

For versatility, you know the Rotex is going to be the best choice,   but for the task at hand,  I think you'd find the RS2 would produce fantastic results.

Take advantage of the fact there are so many dealers around where you live,  and go take some "test drives" on some of your actual work piece samples / drops.

I would work through 150g max,  no finer.   Maples have a tendency to blotch, as well as other anomalies exacerbated by sanding too fine.

try this,  sand one sample through 120,  another to 150g, another to 220g  and finally to 320g on the 4th   use large enough sample pieces to get an accurate portrayal,  and ensure the samples are consistent with one another.
then proceed with the finish you'll use.  you'll see what I'm talking about....

what are you finishing your cabs with anyway?

I'm using minwax pre-stain then colonial maple stain followed by the minwax fast drying poly in semi gloss. Three coats of the poly seems to work out fine with a light buffing between coats.
The pre-stain actually does seem to help keep the stain from blotching the maple.

I tested up to 220 but the stain wouldn't absorb into the wood all that well at 220 and came out way lighter then I wanted it. 150 and 180 looked very similar as I recall. The cabinets are already done and in place as well as all the drawers (no storage space for completed cabinets so I had to install them to get room to work on the rest) and they were done to 180. I don't want to alter the formula on the doors and make them darker then what is there already.

Good thought on the RS2, that's something to look into.
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« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2012, 09:41 AM »

I have a 150/3 as my only Festool sander and I don't have any trouble sanding stiles and rails or for that fact anything. I'm positive I made the right choice and don't regret spending that much money on it.
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« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2012, 12:05 PM »

People tend to recommend the sanders that they own.  As Stairman said most Festool sanders will be a big upgrade from box store sanders.  Here is the thing, the sander is only part of the equation.  Without proper technique you will still have sanding problems even with Festools.

Rotex sanders are great tools, but I feel from my personal experience best suited to refinishing tasks.  Yes they can do just about anything, but rarely does that type of tool do the best job at everything.  Rotex sanders can be a good investment  because of their versatility, so many users own one.  If you own a RO150 you might not buy an ETS 150/5, and guess which sander you are going to recommend for just about any task?  Testing out different sanders and studying their recommended uses is a good start to getting the best sander for you.

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« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2012, 12:14 PM »

People tend to recommend the sanders that they own.

I think someone once said that if all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a nail Smiley

It's entirely possible that I may end up with multiple sanders, but in the short term, the reality is Festool is expensive so best bang for the buck is better so I think that's where I need to be thinking. Yeah, I think any festool is superior in quality to pretty much any other sander out there (not counting Ceros) but they do seem to be more specialized then most. 

Here's my thoughts so far:

The ETS-125 looks like more of what I am used to in a ROS (palm sized, 5" sander) and the price is reasonable (in relative terms to other Festool sanders) but the question there is on capability down to 100 grit. Most folks seem to think it is far less aggressive then most so that makes it more of a very fine finish sander (150 + grit)

ETS-150/3 - ETS-150/5 Not sure I understand exactly what the cutoff between these two is. It's very good to say /5 handles intermediate and /3 handle fine/very fine sanding but what does that actually mean? /3 can't do 80 grit or less? /5 doesn't work well at 220 grit? Stroke size doesn't really tell me much without something familiar to compare it to. I mean I am guessing if you want to sand paint off a old rusty railing with 40 grit /5 is the way to go and if you want to sand 600 - 800 grit the /3 is the way to go but everything in between seems a bit nebulous...

Rotex seems interesting to me. Sort of a jack of all trades which is normally the place I like to be with tools but price wise, I could buy a dozen sanders of varying types from other companies for the price of the RO-125 or 150. RO-90DX seems like a good place to be if I were looking at Rotex models as the most versatile to me as a hobbiest...

The other specialty sanders look interesting but really I think I am looking for something ROS at this point so why muddy the waters...

Did I miss anything? Anyone care to expand on any of my list with observations on any of those models?

I know there is a 30 day return on anything I buy but I'd like to be close on what I want before I buy. It's a pain to me to get something and have to return it not because there was a problem with the item but that I just didn't get something suitable to the task because I didn't research enough. And I have time to do that research because I have another month until tax time so why not try and get the right thing up front right? Besides that, there aren't many Festool dealers near me. Two of the closest ones (same company, different locations) I won't buy stuff from (long story that I'm not going into) and the next closest are actually either in NY, PA or pretty far away in NJ so it's actually kind of a pain to return stuff.

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-Jim
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« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2012, 01:21 PM »

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You will be blown away by the ETS125,  and there is no problem sanding down to 100g...    the guys who own a herd of these tools, and are used to the power and efficiency of the larger sanders, would say it is underpowered,  -everything is relative...
but there is NOTHING wrong with the ETS sander,  and considering you are leaning towards multiple sanders anyway, I think the ETS125 is a great 1st purchase.   -application specific, I still maintain the RS2 would be the ideal sander for you,  but you'll be doing more than just a set of cabinets,  you've made a solid choice.

as soon as you buy it, you're going to learn all about FESTOOL ROI,  and a RO90 purchase will likely follow very soon  Cool    --so be prepared
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Looking to buy: RO150EQ+ ; LR32 guide rails, 3000mm guide rail, parallel guide set   ;  another TS55 to replace the 1 I sold...   OF1010 and additional Festool Routers ;  RS2  ;    and a FESTOOL BS105 BELT SANDER SET
OK, let's face it, I'm always looking for any Festools / accessories.
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« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2012, 11:06 PM »

+1 Stairman.
Thanks, you have put it just right – totally spot on.
My first sander was an ETS 125 (ex demo.)

My buying decision was based on:
cheapish way of testing the Festool water – price was important factor in this context
seemed could sell easily if didn't like
a simple 'wanted to get an idea of what all the fuss about'
was turning paint work down, as no longer was prepared spend so much time cleaning up, and, having to hand-sand so much.

First used on an external balcony, where paint had deteriorated badly (customer knew the score and understood what I was doing.)
Can't really remember, but think even went to 80 – just took my time and let sander do its job.
Yes, it was slower than I expected; but not a problem - enjoyed the experience – nice and easy.  Not surprisingly got very good finish
Was not using a vacuum – outside my experience for sanding – but still impressed with dust collection.

Very quickly progressed to RO 150 + Midi – would stress this was a speed thing, particularly on large surfaces, and, improved dust collection with vacuum.  But the ETS 125 was still playing its part.
Now, with a slightly wider range of sanders,the 125 isn't used so much  –  for the reasons you explain.  But good to know its there.
Would I get rid of it – no.  Although that might change when I can get a ETS 150/3 at the right price – but very much doubt it at the moment.

I have a soft spot for the ETS 125 - definitely suggest giving it a try.
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« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2012, 11:15 PM »

OK, I'm looking for q new sander BUT,  I have a Bosch 3725 DVS attached to my Festool mini 22 dust collection system and I use it to smooth finish timbers on new furniture after joining and planing the furniture pieces.  I'm curious as to what Festool sander would replace my Bosch?
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« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2012, 07:36 PM »

OK so ETS-125 sounds pretty good at the moment but if I did want to go for a ETS-150 which would make more sense (/3 or /5) if I wasn't going to get a rotex 150?

I rarely, if ever, go below 100 grit for anything and have never had to go above 320 grit for anything.
If they are both good in that range, which would it make more sense to go for and why?

Thanks
-Jim
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« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2012, 08:26 PM »

OK so ETS-125 sounds pretty good at the moment but if I did want to go for a ETS-150 which would make more sense (/3 or /5) if I wasn't going to get a rotex 150?

I rarely, if ever, go below 100 grit for anything and have never had to go above 320 grit for anything.
If they are both good in that range, which would it make more sense to go for and why?

Thanks
-Jim

If you went to the 150/x line I would offer my opinion:

Go got the 150/3.  Why?  It has a final better product due to its orbit.  But is it the fastest?  NO.  But you can go courser and get the benefit of the finer orbit and then advance up in grits.  I Use mine to death and smile every time.

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The tools in my truck were talking the other day.  The Dewalts, PC's, Boschs, Makitas were not happy.  They also were in the minority.  Their complaint:  They felt unused and unappreciated since the Festools moved in.  I guess the truth hurts.
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