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H.K 55/85 Saws - Link and questions
« on: August 31, 2015, 06:03 PM »
Hi
  The H.K 55/85 can be found here.
https://www.festool.co.uk/Microsite/Pages/HK.aspx#productdetails

If you have any questions post them here to keep the threads tidy.

The 85 with the grooving block is  [big grin] https://www.festool.co.uk/Products/Accessories/Pages/Detail.aspx?pid=200163&name=Accessories-for-HK-85-portable-circular-saw-VN-HK85-130x16-25......... as for the 55  [big grin]
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Re: H.K 55/85 Saws - Link and questions
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2015, 02:30 AM »
That grooving block is mental

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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2015, 02:56 AM »
That grooving block is mental

Kinda wish it was a little cheaper I would buy the saw and groove block.   Not because of need but because of want.  I recon it will come in just won't come in for me enough to justify the cost.

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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2015, 03:33 AM »
Am I seeing safe dado cutting??? [eek]

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Re: H.K 55/85 Saws - Link and questions
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2015, 03:58 AM »
That grooving block is mental

The grooving block opens up a whole new area for a pendulum cover saw 16 - 25 width and 35 max depth.
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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2015, 05:04 AM »
25x35mm is a massive amount of material removal in one pass [eek]

.. Are Festool releasing a CT1000 to keep up with it?

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Re: H.K 55/85 Saws - Link and questions
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2015, 05:07 AM »
25x35mm is a massive amount of material removal in one pass [eek]

.. Are Festool releasing a CT1000 to keep up with it?

.........a 36mm hose is a must and the extraction port on the guarding is at the front. You get hardly any chips escaping
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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2015, 05:14 AM »
25x35mm is a massive amount of material removal in one pass [eek]

.. Are Festool releasing a CT1000 to keep up with it?

.........a 36mm hose is a must and the extraction port on the guarding is at the front. You get hardly any chips escaping
rg
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Are there any videos pf this running at full tilt? I want one!!!

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TS55 / 75?
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2015, 03:56 PM »
It's not clear to me, as I don't troll this board everyday, what the difference between the new saw are and the TS55/75 saws. I see that the new ones are track saws.

Can you provide some clarity?

Well, the groove thing is cool, but what's the intended difference?

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Re: H.K 55/85 Saws - Link and questions
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2015, 04:00 PM »
Is Kev's synopsis accurate; portable rail mounted dado cutter in a green jacket?
« Last Edit: September 01, 2015, 04:14 PM by CrazyLarry »

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Re: H.K 55/85 Saws - Link and questions
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2015, 04:57 PM »
Is Kev's synopsis accurate; portable rail mounted dado cutter in a green jacket?

An interesting way to describe it.....and yes it is accurate. Can also be used on the F.S rail for longer rebates or housings. I will post some images Wednesday evening from the workshop.
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Re: TS55 / 75?
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2015, 05:06 PM »
It's not clear to me, as I don't troll this board everyday, what the difference between the new saw are and the TS55/75 saws. I see that the new ones are track saws.

Can you provide some clarity?

Well, the groove thing is cool, but what's the intended difference?

Hi
 T.S saws are plunge saws so the focus is on clean accurate splinter free cuts with great extraction. Also for aperture cut outs and by using the F.S rail accuracy is maintained. Aimed at 2nd fix.
   The H.K saws are pendulum cover saws so the focus is on 1st fix. Combine the saw with the F.S.K rail and you can cut a wide range of angles with great accuracy and speed. The H.K saws can be used with the F.S rail. You can also plunge with this saw.

Link for plunge function below (H.K.C Version but same applies to the H.K55)



With the grooving cutter you have another use for the saw in creating rebates, grooves either with the grain or across for jointing etc. One local company who make modular buildings have an application for jointing Glu-lam beams with the 85 and cutter block.
Hope this helps
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Re: H.K 55/85 Saws - Link and questions
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2015, 06:38 PM »
Ok I can see the wide appeal for 1st fix / framers but also accurate / precise enough for sets of dados  / rebates in panels for say alcove shelving or even in stair strings?

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Re: H.K 55/85 Saws - Link and questions
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2015, 06:46 PM »
Ok I can see the wide appeal for 1st fix / framers but also accurate / precise enough for sets of dados  / rebates in panels for say alcove shelving or even in stair strings?

Exactly - much easier to keep the timber in one place and take the machine to the material. Having the block on the HK 85 you can also cut a Tenon with the FSK rail or as you mention housings etc
On Wednesday I am rebating some oak and will post the images.
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Re: H.K 55/85 Saws - Link and questions
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2015, 01:58 AM »
Will there be a 110volt version of the UK 85?

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Re: H.K 55/85 Saws - Link and questions
« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2015, 02:03 AM »
To early in the morning to spell things right ,I mean't HK 85 in my earlier post

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Re: H.K 55/85 Saws - Link and questions
« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2015, 03:03 AM »
Some nice pictures of the HK 85 groove cutter in action.
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Re: H.K 55/85 Saws - Link and questions
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2015, 06:53 AM »
Certainly... that should be :

'Too' and 'meant'...  [poke]



To early in the morning to spell things right ,I mean't HK 85 in my earlier post

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Re: H.K 55/85 Saws - Link and questions
« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2015, 10:48 AM »
Questions:
Is that groove width & depth being cut in a single pass? If so, that's pretty impressive.

Do these "dado" blades come in different widths?

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Re: H.K 55/85 Saws - Link and questions
« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2015, 11:06 AM »
I wouldn't get too excited about the dado feature showing up AINA. I'd be surprised if it made it through UL approval, especially with that much exposed blade.
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« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2015, 11:23 AM »
Questions:
Is that groove width & depth being cut in a single pass? If so, that's pretty impressive.

Do these "dado" blades come in different widths?

Here's a detailed picture of the HK 85 grove cutter delivered in a SYS 1 systainer.
It's constructed of 2 separate blade holders which can be adjusted to the desired width.
Depth max. 35 mm and width 16-25 mm.
The four sided blades 14x14x2 mm are reversible and will be sold as a 12 piece set.

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« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2015, 11:49 AM »
Here's a detailed picture of the HK 85 grove cutter delivered in a SYS 1 systainer.
It's constructed of 2 separate blade holders which can be adjusted to the desired width.
Depth max. 35 mm and width 16-25 mm.
The four sided blades 14x14x2 mm are reversible and will be sold as a 12 piece set.


You always come up with the best pictures! [thumbs up]

Rather clever...reminds me of the old adjustabe dado blades minus the inserts and aluminum body. I wonder how smooth it feels in a hand held saw?

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« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2015, 12:21 PM »
If using these type grooving machines a form of guidance must be used be it the guide rails or parralel fence. They should never be used free hand in timber. I have had a shot of the mafell multi cutter and with its grooving head I was able to take a groove 25mm by 25mm deep in oak. Now it's only a 1400w motor. Now the festool has more powerful motor it would surprise me if it can't do it in one shot. If you do grooves all the time especially on site with a router these type machines are way more efficient than a router. It's like night and day. The only downside is the cost of the block. I think the knifes can be rotated. Then when totally blunt new blades inserted and used and the price I'm pretty sure is extremely low, maybe around 2/3 pound. Maybe someone like Phil can confirm the cost of blades for the block

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« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2015, 12:49 PM »
If using these type grooving machines a form of guidance must be used be it the guide rails or parralel fence. They should never be used free hand in timber. I have had a shot of the mafell multi cutter and with its grooving head I was able to take a groove 25mm by 25mm deep in oak. Now it's only a 1400w motor. Now the festool has more powerful motor it would surprise me if it can't do it in one shot. If you do grooves all the time especially on site with a router these type machines are way more efficient than a router. It's like night and day. The only downside is the cost of the block. I think the knifes can be rotated. Then when totally blunt new blades inserted and used and the price I'm pretty sure is extremely low, maybe around 2/3 pound. Maybe someone like Phil can confirm the cost of blades for the block

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Always with a guide either FS rail, FSK rail or either of the fences and never free hand. It will cut the max depth of 35mm in one go at 25mm width. Will check the cost of the knives and get back. The knives can be used on all four edges and are numbered to make sure the are all the same when turned
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Just checked the cost and are £59.10 for a set. Link is below.

https://www.festool.co.uk/Products/Accessories/Pages/Detail.aspx?pid=574671&name=Accessories-for-HK-85-portable-circular-saw-HW-WP-14x14x2-12

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Re: H.K 55/85 Saws - Link and questions
« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2015, 04:08 PM »
Hi
 Attached are a couple of images of the grooving block. On the side of the guard for the block is the conversion chart. If a cut at 20mm is needed then the scale on the saw is set to 70mm etc.
  Rebate was cut with the H.K85 on the F.S Rail and the other two cuts with the F.S.K. The extraction is great and hardly any waste escapes.
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« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2015, 10:33 PM »
I wouldn't get too excited about the dado feature showing up AINA. I'd be surprised if it made it through UL approval, especially with that much exposed blade.

Shane, the saw would have a lot more blade exposed wit ha standard saw blade at full depth, 85 mm. The groove cutter is 100mm smaller in diameter. True, it would be wicked looking but I think the potential for injury may be less, assuming guide rail use.
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« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2015, 03:27 AM »
I wouldn't get too excited about the dado feature showing up AINA. I'd be surprised if it made it through UL approval, especially with that much exposed blade.

That is pretty special looking.
I suspect that some will be grey-marketing them in...

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« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2015, 03:46 AM »
Cannot find a price for the H.K85 itself yet, but the grooving cutter block 200163 is £362 and a replacement blade set 574671 is £40 from N&B. This looks a very versatile and useful tool.

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« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2015, 03:57 AM »
What's so impressive to me is how clean the cut appears to be.

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« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2015, 05:18 AM »
Maybe a dumb question .. can you still tilt the saw with the trench cutter on to trench at up to 450?

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« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2015, 07:04 AM »
Also noticed these puppies run on the new keyed FSK rails .. between this and the HKC55 I can foresee much rear pocket pain [sad]

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Re: H.K 55/85 Saws - Link and questions
« Reply #31 on: September 07, 2015, 08:26 AM »
Maybe a dumb question .. can you still tilt the saw with the trench cutter on to trench at up to 450?

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 Nope - not to be used for any angle cuts. The depth of cut would be to small for any real commercial use but more importantly the guard would be moved - NOT A GOOD IDEA  [eek]
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Re: H.K 55/85 Saws - Link and questions
« Reply #32 on: September 07, 2015, 02:42 PM »
No no Kev

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« Reply #33 on: September 07, 2015, 02:52 PM »
Also noticed these puppies run on the new keyed FSK rails .. between this and the HKC55 I can foresee much rear pocket pain [sad]
Today I ordered the HKC 55 Basic version at €251 excl. VAT, that's not expensive?!
Looks like a bargain to me!
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« Reply #34 on: September 07, 2015, 08:05 PM »
Also noticed these puppies run on the new keyed FSK rails .. between this and the HKC55 I can foresee much rear pocket pain [sad]
Today I ordered the HKC 55 Basic version at €251 excl. VAT, that's not expensive?!
Looks like a bargain to me!
So no batteries or charger but also bought two FSK rails (250+420), the rail bag, chip collection bag and the parallel side fence.

I'd buy the full set here as the value is good, but they're still flogging them with 4.2Ah batteries in Oz (which completely SUCKS!) Hence I'm waiting ...

I really like the idea of those smart little FSK rails. Hey - collect the full set [big grin] [scared]

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Re: H.K 55/85 Saws - Link and questions
« Reply #35 on: September 08, 2015, 02:05 AM »
I'm really looking forward to next Wednesday when I get the chance to see the H.K85 in action, hopefully with the grooving block. I haven't been so excited about a tool since I bought my Domino.

In the UK we are very devoid of machines able to take some sort of Dado stack (other than a router or a RAS) so the option of a portable machine that can be used with a 'Dado' block and can be adjusted to various widths will be very welcome.

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« Reply #36 on: October 03, 2015, 12:27 AM »
Hi Everyone,

I saw the HK 85 in action yesterday at the Festool Roadshow event in Yeovil. The grooving is very impressive.

I am just finishing off the video editing and will post it once I can get it onto YouTube - that can take about 2-3 hours with my broadband service. That will give me a chance for a quick 40 winks !

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« Reply #37 on: October 03, 2015, 12:36 AM »
Hi Everyone,

I saw the HK 85 in action yesterday at the Festool Roadshow event in Yeovil. The grooving is very impressive.

I am just finishing off the video editing and will post it once I can get it onto YouTube - that can take about 2-3 hours with my broadband service. That will give me a chance for a quick 40 winks !

Peter

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I'm really hanging out to see this one. Thanks [wink]

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« Reply #38 on: October 03, 2015, 03:06 AM »
Hi Everyone,

I saw the HK 85 in action yesterday at the Festool Roadshow event in Yeovil. The grooving is very impressive.

I am just finishing off the video editing and will post it once I can get it onto YouTube - that can take about 2-3 hours with my broadband service. That will give me a chance for a quick 40 winks !

Peter

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I'm really hanging out to see this one. Thanks [wink]

(you know you're doing it again ...)

Don't get too excited - it is the quickest bit of video work that I have ever done.

It should be up in about 30 minutes.

Peter

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Re: H.K 55/85 Saws - Link and questions
« Reply #39 on: December 09, 2015, 05:21 PM »


Highly recommend this video, it cleared up a lot of my questions in regards to the differences between the HK55 and the TS55

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Re: H.K 55/85 Saws - Link and questions
« Reply #40 on: December 20, 2015, 08:13 AM »
Hi guys, the new HK85 saw is exactly what I need, the dado/groove cutter will be a great tool for me especially in the UK with the lack of dado cutters available for the table saw.
The only reason I haven't purchased one yet is I need to know what the quality of cut is like on the dado cutter? The pictures Phil posted of the oak cuts look good but has anybody used this in sheet material? Veneered plywood for example? This would be such a useful tool for making or altering kitchen base units onsite but the rebates and dado cuts need to be neat.

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Re: H.K 55/85 Saws - Link and questions
« Reply #41 on: December 20, 2015, 08:19 AM »
Hi guys, the new HK85 saw is exactly what I need, the dado/groove cutter will be a great tool for me especially in the UK with the lack of dado cutters available for the table saw.
The only reason I haven't purchased one yet is I need to know what the quality of cut is like on the dado cutter? The pictures Phil posted of the oak cuts look good but has anybody used this in sheet material? Veneered plywood for example? This would be such a useful tool for making or altering kitchen base units onsite but the rebates and dado cuts need to be neat.

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 Clean and whistle come to mind  [smile]
Clean cut but of course dependent on the knife condition as well
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« Reply #42 on: December 20, 2015, 08:34 AM »
Hi Phil, thanks for the quick reply.
Guess I'll be treating myself to an early Christmas present then.
Do you know of any photos or videos of dados that have been cut in veneered ply.

Thanks.

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« Reply #43 on: December 20, 2015, 08:49 AM »
Hi Phil, thanks for the quick reply.
Guess I'll be treating myself to an early Christmas present then.
Do you know of any photos or videos of dados that have been cut in veneered ply.

Thanks.

......if I get a chance this week will cut some and post
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Offline danbox

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Re: H.K 55/85 Saws - Link and questions
« Reply #44 on: December 20, 2015, 09:27 AM »
Cheers Phil, much appreciated if you do, would be good to see the quality of finish.
Dan.

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Re: H.K 55/85 Saws - Link and questions
« Reply #45 on: December 20, 2015, 09:36 AM »
Cheers Phil, much appreciated if you do, would be good to see the quality of finish.
Dan.

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 Def got some far eastern and Birch ply.
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Offline john5mt

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Re: H.K 55/85 Saws - Link and questions
« Reply #46 on: April 15, 2016, 07:16 PM »

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That is pretty special looking.
I suspect that some will be grey-marketing them in...
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Offline demographic

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Re: H.K 55/85 Saws - Link and questions
« Reply #47 on: April 16, 2016, 05:48 AM »
One thing though, never ever show the grooving cutter to a plumber.
There would be grooved joists with copper pipe on them all over the place and floors will never be as strong again. [eek]

Offline Jozsef Kozma

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Re: H.K 55/85 Saws - Link and questions
« Reply #48 on: April 16, 2016, 08:26 AM »
One thing though, never ever show the grooving cutter to a plumber.
There would be grooved joists with copper pipe on them all over the place and floors will never be as strong again. [eek]
I have an understanding with the plumbers that I work with
They do no cutting with sawzall or  circular saw on my jobs
All drilling is done after discussion
There is always a chopsaw that they can use
If we ever get the HK 85  believe me they will see it only from distance
and touching is of limits
I have a very good relationship with all the trades but also an understanding
Everybody uses their ohn tools

Offline alabdulaly

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Re: H.K 55/85 Saws - Link and questions
« Reply #49 on: December 07, 2018, 11:30 AM »
I have an TSC 55, and lately my jobs have been more and more sheet goods, i love the saw and cut quality, but hate that i only own two batteries, so its either downtime charging or cutting , i have been considering the HK 85 , some questions; - would it be a good choice for sheet goods ?, - are there any melamine special blades? - how long is the cord attached to it ?

thank you all

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: H.K 55/85 Saws - Link and questions
« Reply #50 on: December 07, 2018, 12:20 PM »
We’ll never get an HK 85 in North America. Best we can hope for is a dual battery HKC 85. Keep your fingers crossed.

Older style 18v batteries are ridiculously cheap in the US. Something like $34. Try to get a couple shipped over.