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Offline 16paws

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Has anyone used a OF-1400 to raise panels?
« on: May 19, 2014, 09:48 AM »
I am looking at the new router tables and the OF-1400 router to do some raised panels, but was concerned that the router is not powerful enough to do the job...any insight?  Festool said that they have had good results raising panels in MDF using that set up with a vertical panel bit.  I have been reading articles on the web, however, and everyone states that the minimum horsepower needed is 3+hp.  I was originally set on a Porter-Cable 3.5hp router in a Bench Dog table with an iron top, but I have been bitten by the Festool bug.  It is too bad that the OF-2200 does not fit into the new router tables.  Any insight would be appreciated.
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Re: Has anyone used a OF-1400 to raise panels?
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2014, 10:02 AM »
Welcome to the forum.

Here's a video from Festool Connect 2013 demonstrating using the CMS and OF 1400 for raised panels.



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Re: Has anyone used a OF-1400 to raise panels?
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2014, 10:31 AM »
The 1400 and the CMS can do raise panels, the only limitation is the size of the router bit that can fit in the table. I did the Festool advance router class and Steve put on a amazing demonstration of raise panel techniques and had not problem replicating it.

I have the CMS and the 1400 and love the combo have yet to need a bigger router.

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Re: Has anyone used a OF-1400 to raise panels?
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2014, 01:03 PM »
I've used 3 1/2" panel-raising bit in my OF1400 and CMS table. Just make a few more passes than you would with the 2200 and you'll be fine.

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Re: Has anyone used a OF-1400 to raise panels?
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2014, 01:44 PM »
Thanks guys for the help!  BTW, are you using vertical or horizontal bits? Any recommendations on bit manufacturers?  Sorry for the newbie questions.
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Re: Has anyone used a OF-1400 to raise panels?
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2014, 01:55 PM »
We recommend using a vertical panel raising bit with the OF 1400 and CMS. There are a lot of manufacturers with this style of bit. If I recall correctly, it was a CMT bit used in the video I posted.

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Re: Has anyone used a OF-1400 to raise panels?
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2014, 06:09 PM »
I spoke to Brian about the bits he was using at the event the next day.  The green bits are Lee Valley bits.  They have a profile that is pretty unique that he especially liked.  He used those for demos at the booth also.

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Re: Has anyone used a OF-1400 to raise panels?
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2014, 10:22 PM »
Thanks for the input!  I am going tomorrow to get a router and table and also pick up a Domino...that should be a good Festool fix....for now!
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Re: Has anyone used a OF-1400 to raise panels?
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2014, 11:10 PM »
The CMT bit are very good quality
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Re: Has anyone used a OF-1400 to raise panels?
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2014, 04:51 PM »
I know this is an old thread but why in the world would you domino a raised panel?  A properly glued joint is stronger then the wood.  I think that's just a case of wanting to use a domino rather than a need. 

Sommerfeld's system is easier to get consistent results then what was shown on that video.  For cabinets I think the far less expensive Sommerfeld router table, fence and especially his router sets are a better solution unless you need your router table to be portable.

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Re: Has anyone used a OF-1400 to raise panels?
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2014, 05:43 PM »
I know this is an old thread but why in the world would you domino a raised panel?  A properly glued joint is stronger then the wood.  I think that's just a case of wanting to use a domino rather than a need. 

Sommerfeld's system is easier to get consistent results then what was shown on that video.  For cabinets I think the far less expensive Sommerfeld router table, fence and especially his router sets are a better solution unless you need your router table to be portable.

Greg,

He said he was going to pick up a ROUTER, and a router TABLE, and a Domino.  I think he was simply mentioning he was grabbing the Domino at the same time.

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Re: Has anyone used a OF-1400 to raise panels?
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2014, 05:47 PM »
Sorry about the confusion, I was commenting about the video. 

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Re: Has anyone used a OF-1400 to raise panels?
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2014, 08:52 AM »
I have had the Sommerfeld table for 3+ years and it has done everything I have ever wanted it to do.  I usually make 3 passes when raising the panels on it to avoid chip out, but the Triton router can hog through it on one pass if that is your wish.  Bill

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Re: Has anyone used a OF-1400 to raise panels?
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2014, 01:26 PM »
I have some flat Amana Tool panel bit that are too big for the OF1400.  That was a surprise when I got the OF1400 since they worked in PC 690 mounted to a Rockler table.  I scraped the table long ago.

It's good to know about the vertical panel bits for the CMS.  Only trouble is I tend to screw-the-pooch when I have the stock on end.   I need more practice.
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Re: Has anyone used a OF-1400 to raise panels?
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2014, 02:06 PM »
Then again, there's the OF 2200... 

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Re: Has anyone used a OF-1400 to raise panels?
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2014, 02:09 PM »
Then again, there's the OF 2200... 

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Or the reconditioned OF 2000 for only $198.90 right now

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Re: Has anyone used a OF-1400 to raise panels?
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2014, 02:28 PM »
Then again, there's the OF 2200... 

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Or the reconditioned OF 2000 for only $198.90 right now

Yep - excellent choice!

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Re: Has anyone used a OF-1400 to raise panels?
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2014, 03:10 PM »
I have some flat Amana Tool panel bit that are too big for the OF1400.  That was a surprise when I got the OF1400 since they worked in PC 690 mounted to a Rockler table.  I scraped the table long ago.

It's good to know about the vertical panel bits for the CMS.  Only trouble is I tend to screw-the-pooch when I have the stock on end.   I need more practice.

You definitely need to create a tall fence.  Brian Sedgely showed his version at the Festool Live event and JLC Live in 2013.  With two push blocks you should be happy.  I'll look for the video.

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Re: Has anyone used a OF-1400 to raise panels?
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2014, 03:11 PM »
The 1400 and the CMS can do raise panels, the only limitation is the size of the router bit that can fit in the table. I did the Festool advance router class and Steve put on a amazing demonstration of raise panel techniques and had not problem replicating it.

I have the CMS and the 1400 and love the combo have yet to need a bigger router.

Bruce
There is no need to be limited with the OF 1400 in the CMS - just have a spacer - I am sure that it is shown in my CMS-OF video.

Also, I know everyone has their favourite ways of doing things but panel raising with the panel vertical on the router table is not mine. The slightest wobble gets amplified - better to have the panel flat.

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Re: Has anyone used a OF-1400 to raise panels?
« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2014, 05:28 PM »
With appropriate instruction, as provided by all three Festool Training Centers in the USA, using a vertical panel raising bit in an OF1400 on the CMS become easy and natural. I have done so in the Door and Drawer class in Henderson, NV with Steve Bace instructing.

In my own business virtually all of our panel raising is done on a large Felder tilting arbor shaper, because since the 1940s I have used shapers of one kind or another to raise panels. So has the master cabinet maker working for me who heads our frame and door department.

Besides raising panels there are several other woodworking operations done on router tables in which it is more efficient to run the work vertically against the fence. When I am instructing I encourage trainees to learn how and practice. What I discourage is an attitude that just because at first a particular method does not seem 'natural' means it is not a good method, perhaps for another woodworker.

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Re: Has anyone used a OF-1400 to raise panels?
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2014, 07:28 AM »
I mentioned Brian showing the raised panel vertical approach and forgot to post the videos:  Here are some:







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Re: Has anyone used a OF-1400 to raise panels?
« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2014, 07:38 AM »
Sub-fence (or is the main fence now the sub fence because it is behind the fence your working against??? The questions one must ponder [eek])

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Re: Has anyone used a OF-1400 to raise panels?
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2014, 01:25 PM »
you can do rised pannel with of1010 if you have a bit for it. It is ONLY a question the number of passes.
Stronger motor and you can make larger cutting-depth. But now can be question will the bit slip in the collet. So there is a limit to increasing hp.

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Re: Has anyone used a OF-1400 to raise panels?
« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2014, 06:19 AM »
With appropriate instruction, as provided by all three Festool Training Centers in the USA, using a vertical panel raising bit in an OF1400 on the CMS become easy and natural. I have done so in the Door and Drawer class in Henderson, NV with Steve Bace instructing.

In my own business virtually all of our panel raising is done on a large Felder tilting arbor shaper, because since the 1940s I have used shapers of one kind or another to raise panels. So has the master cabinet maker working for me who heads our frame and door department.

Besides raising panels there are several other woodworking operations done on router tables in which it is more efficient to run the work vertically against the fence. When I am instructing I encourage trainees to learn how and practice. What I discourage is an attitude that just because at first a particular method does not seem 'natural' means it is not a good method, perhaps for another woodworker.

I notice that Rockler have an opinion on horizontal v vertical panel raising:

http://www.rockler.com/how-to/horizontal-vs-vertical-raised-panel-router-bits/

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Re: Has anyone used a OF-1400 to raise panels?
« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2014, 07:27 AM »
If you do use a horizontal(oops)  vertical panel raising bit, you will most likely have to use a back cutting bit, adding another step to the operation.

(See next 2 posts)

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Re: Has anyone used a OF-1400 to raise panels?
« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2014, 07:34 AM »
If you do use a horizontal panel raising bit, you will most likely have to use a back cutting bit, adding another step to the operation.

Tom

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think you've got it backwards.  With a vertical bit don't you have to run the back cut separately?  A horizontal bit cuts both the front and back at the same time reducing the chance of error.

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Re: Has anyone used a OF-1400 to raise panels?
« Reply #26 on: July 31, 2014, 07:40 AM »
If you do use a horizontal panel raising bit, you will most likely have to use a back cutting bit, adding another step to the operation.

Tom

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think you've got it backwards.  With a vertical bit don't you have to run the back cut separately?  A horizontal bit cuts both the front and back at the same time reducing the chance of error.

Fixed it thanks.

I have seen some horizontal without the back cutter, I don't use those.

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Re: Has anyone used a OF-1400 to raise panels?
« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2018, 09:51 AM »
I'm trying to put together the tall fence for running panels vertically across the bit.  Where can I get the T-Nuts that slide in the fence's slot?

thanks,

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Re: Has anyone used a OF-1400 to raise panels?
« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2018, 05:49 PM »
I'm trying to put together the tall fence for running panels vertically across the bit.  Where can I get the T-Nuts that slide in the fence's slot?
The ones used on the MFT/3 to reference the rail holder against do the trick (accepting 6mm metric screw):
#437377, 3.23€ excl. VAT (per piece).

IMHO quite overpriced for a T-nut though, but it's a large one so it'll be gentle to the slot in the fence.
You might get away with generic T-nuts for 10mm slots which are ~1/3 of that price (when buying them in single-digit quantities), just make sure to not overtighten then as they are not that long (less contact surface).

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Re: Has anyone used a OF-1400 to raise panels?
« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2018, 08:33 PM »
Thank you, Gregor.